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mrshutter45

Your research has shown NOTHING.


Please tell us how long the chute was in the ground to come to your conclusions?

Please show the articles claiming the FBI believes it was Wallings chute other than "it's possible"

what was the results from the lab report on the chute?
Did you speak with Cossey, or others who help with the investigation? what were the names of all the people involved in the conclusion of the chute find?

You claimed the chute wasn't in bad shape. how come your views differ with the FBI?

What type of soil was the chute buried in?

Can you prove Cossey was wrong based on looking at photo's?

I can't come to the conclusions you have based on what you are stating. you can't backup anything against the FBI unless you have access to the chute to make those statements.



Of course you can't. But you are operating under a personal issue here, aren't you?

Everything has already been presented to support my conclusions. Instead of addressing those things, you fall to pieces and circle the wagons to support your 'protected posters' at your website on Cooper. LOL.

Tell ya what. I will provide the evidence one more time. *Attached* If you don't get it after that, I can't help you. As far as the Seattle FBI's results from their lab, you should ask them yourself. They told me the Amboy chute was still 'evidence in an ongoing case' and couldn't be discussed. :)
Try not to devour each other's young when you quote over my posts and discuss them at your website. :)


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'Blevins, get over your persecution complex.

There is NOTHING to indicate that the Amboy parachute was connected to the Cooper hijacking or that it was even an emergency personnel parachute.

And there is nothing to indicate that the FBI actually had issues with their investigation of that parachute. You, like Jo Weber, need to characterize the FBI as being incompetent in order to support your claim to be the sole seeker and guardian of truth in the Cooper matter.

If the February 21, 1946 date is not the date of manufacture, then the parachute could be far older and made of silk in the early 1940s or even before then. And no one knows when the parachute was buried or the conditions it was exposed to before being buried.

So Cossey could have been right about it being silk.

Robert99'


Yeah. Wake up and smell the coffee. Chute made of silk? Cossey OWNED and DELIVERED all four parachutes given to Cooper?

Time for you and your friends to check in at the Reality Hotel, top floor...penthouse suite. Get real. :S

I am not Jo Weber. I'm sure you'll let everyone know when you have any evidence that disputes what I've previously said about this whole situation...things I backed up with pictures, an extensive research document, and the Seattle FBI's own file on the subject. (See attached below)

I think the public will see it the same way.
That you judge the evidence not based on its merits, but who is delivering the evidence. That is a personal problem for you, and none of my concern.

We only LOOK dumb around here, Robert. :)


Blevins, "public opinion" is NOT sufficient to prove anything. Where are your "facts" to support your own claims?

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Robert, a bunch of news media articles is not real proof of what you are claiming.

Where is the scientific proof you need to base the accusations about the chute not being silk, or anything in regards to the condition of the chute? you are trying to go against qualified people based on lack of proof in the final conclusion of the chute. we all know how articles can be wrong don't we?

Was Amboy in the possible drop area? nope, but that chute was.

Can you tell me in your research how many other chutes were found that nobody seems bothered with. one was buried in the banks of the Columbia. not the pilot chute either, or the flare chute.

This has nothing to do with being "personal" over logic. you can't even admit it's a conspiracy you are cooking up.

I don't exactly like they way they left it either, but it doesn't open doors for me to call everyone liars either. I need more proof than a bunch of news articles. scientific facts for one.

I'll ask you one more time. based on your research, just how long was the chute there, and how did you come to the conclusion of it not being silk, and based on your opinion, how long would it take to be in the condition it was found in if it was in good shape, or do you know what shape the chute was in prior to being buried? who made the chute?

That's what you need to know before you blast everyone around the conclusion.

"Try not to devour each other's young when you quote over my posts and discuss them at your website."

Wrong again, your name hasn't been brought up in a while, but nice try to discredit once again.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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You ignored the evidence, you ignored everything presented on this subject, you have been proven wrong on several points now...which you ignored as well.

Damn. You really don't like being called out with actual facts, do you? Well...that could be because you address me personally instead of the issues. Sometimes.

As far as Amboy being the possible dropzone, the FBI clearly stated they thought it was when the chute was discovered:

Seattle FBI agent Robbie Burroughs at the time the chute was discovered:

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“Flight paths, prevailing winds, the weight of Cooper holding the money — they came up with possible landing zones and they ranked them, the most likely being Zone A,” Ms. Burroughs said of investigators who worked on the case. “And this parachute was found in Zone A.”



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'Hello...(hello)...is there anybody IN there...'



You guys are funny, if nothing else.

*Goes back to Sunday Night Football*

You can believe it was a cargo chute without presenting a shred of evidence it was.

You can believe that Cossey was right when he said he dismssed the chute because it was silk and not nylon.

You can believe that Cossey was telling the truth when he said he not only owned, but delivered, all the chutes provided to Cooper. But the FBI's own files and the evidence shows otherwise. :S

You can go with that. You don't need my help to discredit your posts. You pretty much do that on your own. :)


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Where are your "actual facts"

Prove how you know the condition of the chute?

Prove how you claim it's not silk. you are blasting one person, Cossey. you can't prove Cossey was wrong anymore than I can. others including the lab seen the chute, and tested it.

You like to blast Cossey? how about two different stories about the money found on Kenny's property?
how about telling the world he paid cash for the house, or the unexplained money in his account? these were things brought to your attention at the request of YOU. now, we are "hate mongers"? check it out for yourself you always claimed in the past. where is the proof of the stamp/coin collection? where is the ad ran in the newspaper asking about the money find? you sound like Cossey, no?

Hayden has zip to do with the chute find. it does show problems with Cossey's story, but can you prove him wrong, or did anyone else who examined the chute prove him wrong? do you have any "actual facts" of it not being silk? did the lab dismiss the chute being silk, or did it agree with others who viewed the chute. you not being one of them.

You have some basic facts surrounding the chute. no more than anyone else, but the claims can't be backup with "actual proof" as you claim to have. it's speculation, and weak at that.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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The date of manufacture is shown on the chute as February 21, 1946, not the January 23, 1945 you quoted. Also, I don't think you have the number right, either. I will attach a picture showing both the correct DOM date and the right serial number for you. (307551) If you have a picture of the Amboy chute showing a different number, you should produce it. (Your number leads to a pristine white parachute, a smaller one, being sold at eBay. Unfortunately, the chute cannot be in two places at once, and the original is still being held by the Seattle FBI.)

The two front chutes were handed over to the Washington State Patrol by Linn Emerick of Issaquah Sky Sports. The two main chutes were owned and sent to NWA/FBI by Norman Hayden.

You guys should have been asking these same questions yourselves. Your failure to do so, your inaccuracies on the facts, only proves you will say anything, do anything, POST anything...no matter how ridiculous...because I was the one who first asked the questions, and continue to do so. LOL.




BRAVO! A very good post and it was factual. I edited it to keep to the point I would like to make about liberaties taken by certain poster who are prominent posters on in that othe place.

Robt99 had consistently made false allegations and provide false information...why does he do this?

A very good question for other to think about.

That other place defies the odds on the money find & it is a group of people who do NOT care about REAL facts...they create FACTS of their own just to dismiss statements by others.

Why they do this is no mystery regarding 2 of the posters - the 2 who pretend to be such experts & who actually make the most factual errors - they do that ON purpose to keep the public confused.

Perhaps it is time that this thread is used for facts and not the promotion of any particular subject such as Kenny or Duane.

What needs to be done is to make those who market themselves as experts - be required to present factual back-up for their speculations. They Can't! They created the other place & the things they come up with are baloney! Robt 99 and Georger create their OWN facts...they ignore the factual data & the logical data...just to deceive & to make themselves appear to be important.

Perhaps what they are doing is called distract and redirect.

Deceive the public & distract the public from the REAL facts...they do NOT want the case solve & their sole purpose in getting involved.

These guys seem to ignore the fact that I actually spoke to WASHINGTON DC officials who were trying to get some of the REAL information released....but the government deceptions out lived them and now probably JO. The recognitions that could not be given in 1969 is why a group of men decided to prove a point.

The flight route - they have that so fragmented now and propose to have the documents - they are working with ALTERED documents and NOT the real one.

Also Robt 99 kept claiming there was NO building or house - well there was - they cannot erase history and old photos in journals and newspapers and in the albums of many who went to Tena's barl

I have people in WA trying to locate those pictures right now.
Why would an arial be altered to not show a dwelling on the site?
The ariels from 1960's are not very good at all - so how and who created such detail.

Did Duane and Himmelsbach and a documentary crew take me to another location? I don't think so!
Robt99 & Georger are all about deception - but, why?

Why say there was NO building about 35 yds behind the fence and the tree line....why does the ariel show only a dark area there? It was not on the beach it was several yards beyond the fence and tree line and I can put an X where the money find was.

2 individuals have introduced MUCK they claim to be FACTS & claim the basckground for the MUCK. Other who have never been there are feeding on those claims. Those who have never been there and those who claim to have been there need to produce actual pictures taken in 1968, 1969, 1970, and 1971 and thru period up until 1979.

Bet Amazon has some pictures taken from the river...of Tena's bar & the background beyond it.
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These Guys are just messing with you - they want to make you mad and they want to close this thread down so all of their false information will be all that is available to the public.

Stop interacting with them on certain issues - stick to what you can BACK up with MEDIA releases...by the FBI and those interviewed.

I was told where the chute was found, but for some reason they are misdirecting individuals regarding that old chute - perhap to keep people from going out & digging up private property.

Duane talked about burying something when we were in
Amboy and he pointed out a place but how far back I do not know.
I wanted to know if the area Duane talked about and the chute find were anywhere close to each other...but the people I have asked did not know the location.

The location Duane pointed out was West of Amboy and just off of Cedar Creek Rd. I do not remember how far WEST we went.

He made a comment regarding a turn off to the North onto private property that he knew a man who used to live up there...and he mentioned lots of Creeks. We turned around and head back to the EAST and Duane made a comment about "they must have taken that road out" as it was short cut back to Amboy. But the road was still there...but, I never found it on the little map I have.

At any rate it took us back to Amboy and then he makes another side trip going EAST on 419 and pointed out Chelatchie and the place the kept the cars.

We keep going to an area that was not too far from the Yale Lake Damn. This was the point he told me about knowing a man who used to work there & lost his job because of a GLITCH, but he got his job back after a few wks. Evidently Duane knew the man personally. This is when he told me you could see the light from that area for MILES!

I didn't think we went back the way we went but the map doesn't show and alternative unless we actually crossed the Lewis River and drove along the River and coming back by 503....This is a blank spot in my memory...it had been a long day and I do know know what drove him because remember we didn't leave the Dalles until Noon time & we made LOTS of detours - of course he drove like a bat out of hell and he never had to look at a map so I wasn't following a map...just tried over the yrs to retrace the places he took me and the sequence of the stops.

WE go back to AMBOY and he makes a stop at a BAR on our right side & on a corner. He told me to stay in the car because he was just going into enquire about a guy who used to go there.

The building in 1979 was blue or a blue green. He comes back to the car very quickly & just said they had not seen him in a long time.

When I went back out there in 2010 - I spoke to two old guys in the parking lot (I did not want to go into the BAR - I just do not do that alone in a place like that). I believe at that time I remembered a name - or they told me a name. This has become cloudy in my mind now...and since I have told the story before - I am sure the earlier version may have been in more detail.

He stops at a Store on our RIGHT after we turned back toward the direction we had come from...this is a pit stop and to pick up some snacks...he wanted in and out pretty fast.

We went to Amboy by way of a road that past an air strip owned by the Farghers and Duane talked about flying in an out of there - it was a private strip back when ever he flew in and out of there.

He also mentioned another airstrip North and East of there. He knew every ficking airstrip in WA. WHY and HOW? Who the hell was he flying with....he only referred to them as The Boys & The Guys.

I will mention that the woman in BIGGS - he went to see - her maiden name was Fargher and Duane mentioned the connection. I forget her first name now - but it seem like it was Mattie & now have lost the last name she had - somewhere in all of my STUFF is her name - she had a son or grand son who had a motel and Duane told me to STAY in the car.

His first name was Stanley and he was a jumper. ALL of the names and more details are in this thread some place some where.

I am praying someone will record this thread & remembered the story I tried to tell. Yea, I am learning to pray.

Someday someone one will figure it all out. I hope!

I can NO longer retain all the information in my head. Wish there was someway to put the entire thread on discs - so someone someday mighty realize that JO really did know things she was NOT supposed to know & definitely things not expected to know.

Remember what Duane said about Kelly Rd & he thought he had missed a path but he hadn't (He used to know someone who lived there) and then we go back to Heisson.

I will ever forget that place. A playpen and a wood stove in the entrance. It was also the P.O.

We had drove past there before when he drove out to Basket Flat and toward Lucia Falls and he pointed out the train stop was no longer there. This is when he talked about a tower that was there NO longer - this was on our way to Amboy - but I have not figured out how he got over to the Road we went to Amboy on. I just know we went by way of Fargher Airstrip on Lewisville hwy and came back making a stop at the Heisson Store.

My old accounting is probably more accurate - but, some how we went to Amboy by way of the Lewisville Hwy and came back to Heisson - hitting Heisson twice but with only one stop.

This is NOT how I originally remember it - and think my trip with Himmelsback and the crew really go me turned around.

At any rate this is the best I can do tonight...if anyone is really interested in the truth.
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GUY ALL ANYONE HAS ON THE AMPBOY CHUE IS WHAT THE fbi HAS RELEASED.
THE dUMMY CHUTE WAS BASICALLY UN USUABLE EXCEPT FOR COVERATGE.'BY THIS THEY MEAN TH CHUTE WLL PROVIDE AS SAFTE RID AND PERHAPHS HHOLD OTHER SERVIVIAL GEAR....IT IS TIEDS in A WAY IF IS USUALBLE.

the chute was ususuavble protections. Per jummper with this one he was very safe.

Lots of spacecto tye off his goods.
BECAUSE HE COULD MAKE PROVISION AND PROTECTION FOR THE ELEMENTS ON THE GROUD.

AWAY IT WAS MADE WOULD HVE PROVIDED HE ME NESSARY PROTECTIONS GAINST THE ODDS.
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GUY ALL ANYONE HAS ON THE AMPBOY CHUE IS WHAT THE fbi HAS RELEASED.
THE dUMMY CHUTE WAS BASICALLY UN USUABLE EXCEPT FOR COVERATGE.'BY THIS THEY MEAN TH CHUTE WLL PROVIDE AS SAFTE RID AND PERHAPHS HHOLD OTHER SERVIVIAL GEAR....IT IS TIEDS in A WAY IF IS USUALBLE.

the chute was ususuavble protections. Per jummper with this one he was very safe.

Lots of spacecto tye off his goods.
BECAUSE HE COULD MAKE PROVISION AND PROTECTION FOR THE ELEMENTS ON THE GROUD.

AWAY IT WAS MADE WOULD HVE PROVIDED HE ME NESSARY PROTECTIONS GAINST THE ODDS.



Jo, At last you have managed to produce a coherent post.

But I do have one single question. What in hell are you talking about?

Robert99

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WOW! I need a care taker:
Even I couldn't figure out what I was trying to say....

Stupid me came back to read the thread AFTER I had taken my darn pill and I know better than to try to make a post after taking that darn thing.

Remember that when it is 12 midnight there it is 2 AM here.



***ALL ANYONE HAS ON THE AMBOY CHUTE IS WHAT THE FBI Released.

The Dummy chute was basically unusable. They used old chutes inside of them & they usually were ripped up and cut up to stuff the training front pack...not meant to be used for actually jumping...

The Dummy should NOT even have been in the stock room. Its purpose is to teach someone how to put it on - not use it. The guy who grabbed it was new and did NOT have the experience that has been probagated in this thread.

I forget the guys name, but back in the very beginning after I spoke to Cossey many yrs ago - I asked how this could happen.

Some of you on the thread have claimed the man who passed it out was a trained jumper....but, I was told it was the first time he had pulled the chutes and was unfamiliar with the stock room...he should have known better, but then maybe he did it on purpose.

Wasn't it CRAZY Knoss who claimed it contain jump boots & then some have claimed other things....I have not taken this up with you guys because it seemed irrelevant to me. The guy made a mistake - because he was new.

Only the person who prepared it knows what was in it....one would think the FBI would have questioned that indivdiual for an explanation.

If that dumy was given out on purpose there are very few answers as to why....

That dummy if removed would have been the idea place to put the money. Note how the fire jumpers carried their equipment and how the guys in Nam carried other supplies to the ground. Pouches & containers that looked very much like the front chute and sometimes hung a little lower than a regular reserve.

Maybe Cooper used it for shelter or maybe he burned it after he got to the ground. I expect there was NO hardware inside of the front pack - just stuffing....but why was such a mistake made?

Cooper should have been very angry if he was aware of what it was & if he had a bomb and a temper tantrum at the same time.
The plane could have gone POOF.
You think!

It was the one thing I really thought was very odd, but let it be like leaves of three.
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mrshutter45 wrote:

Your research has shown NOTHING.



Robert says: That's your opinion, of course. I think it has shown that the Seattle FBI not only made mistakes during their investigation of the chute, but failed to announce any results on WHY they discounted it as Cooper's. In addition, a full five years AFTER they said it wasn't Cooper's - they continue to call it 'evidence in an ongoing case'. That statement comes via both an email and a phone call from the FBI. What my research has shown is that there is reason to believe the FBI is not being forthcoming.

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Please tell us how long the chute was in the ground to come to your conclusions?



Robert says: No one knows for sure. My information shows that the people who own the property on where it was discovered are long-term residents of the Amboy, WA area. I don't know their names, but I met their next-door neighbors.

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Please show the articles claiming the FBI believes it was Wallings chute other than "it's possible".



Robert says: They never said it was for sure. But they guessed at it when a simple search of Walling's story would have revealed otherwise. I found out the truth in five minutes. How come it took them a few days? This does not inspire confidence. Walling crashed north of Merwin Lake and walked out along a creek to Yale, WA. Yale is north of where the chute was found. Had Walling actually crashed SOUTH of Merwin Lake, he would have had to cross a lake, a river, and two paved highways to reach Yale. The chute is NOT Walling's.

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What was the results from the lab report on the chute?



Robert says: It probably wasn't studied by the lab at all. Maybe you should ask the Seattle FBI to elaborate. They took it to the lab one day, but the very next day it was taken to Cossey, who dismissed it in 'less than ten seconds'. Problem with this scenario is that Cossey continued to tell the media in additional articles that he not only owned all the chutes given to Cooper, but delivered them all as well (not true) and would recognize one. It has been fully established that Cossey, if he owned any of the chutes at all, could only be the two reserves at most. One reserve didn't work and had far less nylon than normal, the other was found on board Flight 305. For information regarding the ownership of the reserves, you would have to verify with Issaquah Sky Sports and Linn Emerick on that. FBI file says they were owned by Sky Sports.

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Did you speak with Cossey, or others who help with the investigation?



Robert says: I have never spoken to Earl Cossey. If you mean the chute investigation, I spoke to two different Seattle FBI agents about it in 2013. Neither would tell me anything beyond that the chute was 'evidence in an ongoing investigation'. That seemed strange since they dismissed it years ago.

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What were the names of all the people involved in the conclusion of the chute find?



Robert says: Just the FBI agents who made statements, (Robbie Burroughs, Larry Carr, Ayn Dietrich). No one else much is really mentioned. When I questioned the Seattle FBI later on the whole thing, they told me any outside experts were only consulted by phone, and not actually allowed to SEE the chute. Neither were the Citizen Sleuths, who made some comments about it:

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'The Amboy parachute was not available during the inspection and it was not clear if that evidence was archived in the Seattle FBI office. We concur with others who originally forwarded the idea that the Amboy chute is not silk but a first generation nylon parachute. The research team has a standing offer with the FBI to return to Amboy and excavate the location where it was discovered. To this date the only available information on the sewn-closed reserve chute that Cooper left the plane with, was that it was white in color. The Amboy Chute remains an item of significant interest...'


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Shutter45 says: You claimed the chute wasn't in bad shape. how come your views differ with the FBI?



Robert says: It's stained from being buried. You can see that. I don't see any more damage than a chute (made of nylon) would exhibit after being buried for years. I said it wasn't made of silk as Cossey claimed, and I'm not the only one who believes it was made of nylon instead. Silk is a biodegradable substance, a NATURAL substance. If it is buried, especially loosely, it ROTS. Nylon does not, and can last a hundred years in the ground easily. The REAL problem is that not only was Cossey untruthful on ownership of the chutes as well as their delivery to the hijacker, but he told the media in several articles after the Amboy chute was found that he knew the chute wasn't Cooper's because it was MADE OF SILK. That also...is almost certainly NOT true. So how can you trust his judgment on it?

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What type of soil was the chute buried in?



Robert says: Judging from Google Maps of the general area where the chute was found, I would call it typical Washington dirt. Soil, possibly some duff. It was not found on a hill, but more in bottom land area, wooded. Typical for Western Washington. This type of soil, if you bury biodegradable materials such as clothing made from cotton or silk, they will be in tatters after a winter or two if you dig them back up. It rains a lot here. Stuff buried rots fairly quickly.

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Can you prove Cossey was wrong based on looking at photo's?



Robert says: No. But I can prove Cossey was wrong when he told people for years that he owned all the chutes provided to Cooper and could identify them. So...this calls into question both his credibility and ability to identify the chutes, except for possibly the reserves. But the Amboy chute is definitely NOT one of the reserves given to Cooper.

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I can't come to the conclusions you have based on what you are stating. You can't back up anything against the FBI unless you have access to the chute to make those statements.



Robert says: I never said for sure the chute was Cooper's. I said the FBI has not been forthcoming about it, and the method they used to identify it as NOT COOPER is extremely suspect. I don't like talking badly about Earl Cossey. From what I've heard, he was one hell of a nice guy and a great teacher. And I hope they catch the SOB who did that to him.

But...suppose the ID of the chute somehow ended up in court. I don't know how, just suppose it did. The first thing any opposing attorney would do with Cossey is to ask why he said for all those years he owned/delivered the chutes? The attorney would pull out that FBI document, bring in Norman Hayden, etc. And then the lawyer would ask: "Why should we believe you now?" This is a very legit point, although this is not a court thing by any means. But it demonstrates why Cossey's ID of the chute ('in less than ten seconds') must be looked upon with suspicion. Maybe he didn't really know. Maybe he had no motivation to identify the thing. No one will ever know. His statements about 'it is silk and the ones I gave Cooper were ripstop nylon' just make it worse.

The Seattle FBI could clear up this whole thing by simply issuing a statement saying exactly how they determined it wasn't a chute used by the hijacker. And I plan to try and get that from them. This is not a Top Secret Super Squirrel issue, or at least...it shouldn't be.

This situation is important, and I plan to add a few pages to the report on KC with my research on the chute, and ask the FBI additional questions about it. Why is it still 'evidence' for example, if they wrote it off years ago? The other points I discussed, the FBI's previous statements, etc. The problems with Cossey's role in any possible ID. Things like that. Sort of a bonus for them. :)
Report will be released to the Seattle FBI by the end of January, and to all major media in the Northwest about two weeks after that. We want to give the FBI the first shot at the current evidence and a chance to actually question the witnesses, something they have never done. I think we have enough now so that they might actually do it this time. However...if they don't then perhaps the media will check out the story. That's all I can do. Our role in the KC investigation ends with the submission of the final report.

NOTE TO JO: The full story of the chutes given to Cooper is again attached. The guy who handed out the reserves to the State Patrolmen was named Linn Emerick.


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Could do it be that the FBI are satisfied with their conclusions on the chute and really don't feel like they owe anyone any further explanation? Why do you feel they are obligated to explain these things to you?
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Could do it be that the FBI are satisfied with their conclusions on the chute and really don't feel like they owe anyone any further explanation? Why do you feel they are obligated to explain these things to you?



Excuse me for saying this, Parrot...but that is one of the least intelligent questions I have ever seen you post. Really, it is.

And I will tell you why.

Because you are mistaking my questions to the FBI about the Amboy Chute as an issue of 'my right to know,' when the real issue is the public's right to know. This is not about me, this is about a question regarding the hijacking and possible evidence about it. The only relevance the chute has to me personally is whether the FBI was accurate in its judgment that it was not one used by the hijacker. The chute does not have the words 'Kenny Was Here' stamped on it. Even if the chute were Cooper's, this does not mean Kenny Christiansen was the guy who used it. It does not prove by any means that Kenny was the hijacker.

From what I have heard from you and others, you sure don't seem like real Cooper sleuths to me. The FBI never gave a reason why they discounted it. Doesn't that bother you just a little bit? If you were real Cooper sleuths as some of you claim, you would WANT to know the full truth about it, not come at me because it was Blevins who asked the questions about it.

In fact, there have been a couple of times I said some of you were, (in my humble opinion) phonies. This is ANOTHER one of those times. If Bruce Smith, or Shutter, or Robert99 would have asked the same questions about the Amboy chute as I have...done the same research as I have...you would have been all over that like white on rice, and discussing the issue endlessly.

I think you secretly wonder anyway how all that came about back in 2008. National media ran stories on the chute for more than a week and then were offered nothing in the end. You want to know WHY the Seattle FBI did what they did, and then wrote off the chute without a single explanation. You just don't like the messenger who asked the questions. ;)

And if you really don't care to know the truth on important issues regarding the hijacking, you should stop trying to seek it out.

Me? I have no such problem. I call it as I see it, and that was happening a long time before I ever stopped by this village, I can assure you. :)


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Mr. Blevins, when have I ever claimed to be a Cooper sleuth? Ever?

I never have. I follow the case, am intrigued by the case. But I don't buy into any of the known suspects for one simple reason: the evidence, whatever it may be, suggests otherwise.

The Amboy chute is questioned by one person and one person only. The same person who has put forth a suspect based on lies. When a person with some credibility questions the Amboy chute, I may pay attention. So, in a scense, you are correct.
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Mr. Blevins, when have I ever claimed to be a Cooper sleuth? Ever?

I never have. I follow the case, am intrigued by the case. But I don't buy into any of the known suspects for one simple reason: the evidence, whatever it may be, suggests otherwise.

The Amboy chute is questioned by one person and one person only. The same person who has put forth a suspect based on lies. When a person with some credibility questions the Amboy chute, I may pay attention. So, in a scense, you are correct.



'Suspect based on lies?' So this isn't about the Amboy parachute at all...but Kenny Christiansen? Or did you just reach into your pocket for that because you didn't have a suitable response to my reasons why I raised questions about the chute?

I suppose I could go into another explanation on why we think Kenny is a good suspect, but you've heard all that before. However...you have not seen all the evidence yet, and the FBI has never actually checked out any of the allegations. I know this because they've admitted that to me twice now. But they have expressed an interest in seeing our updated report on him. I plan to include a few pages about the Amboy chute, as a separate note.

You really believe I would sign my name to something like that if it were full of outright lies? Not a chance in hell. We could be sued, or the FBI might even show up at my house for one reason or another...none of them good if we tell them a pack of lies. I imagine they got enough of that from the last witness who stepped forward, the one who tried to use Cooper as a springboard to a big book contract. So I knew that we had to be careful, and not put anything into that document that could not be verified. Wouldn't do us any good, and would cause nothing but problems for everyone involved.

There are no lies in it, except for the ones told by Bernie Geestman, I suppose. And we already figured out the truth on those, which were provided to counter his lies.

I always said two things about the possibility of KC being Cooper. One was that someone, somewhere, knows about it. The other is that witnesses whose statements can be verified, and match the facts, will eventually solve the case. Right now I feel very confident the Seattle FBI will finally take a serious look at Christiansen. And the two people who assisted him. Once the cat is out of the bag, it is very hard to keep secrets in families.

EDIT: Even with all the evidence we've amassed on Kenny since May of this year, chances are still good he wasn't the guy. But this time we're submitting Lyle Christiansen's full DNA profile as well. I've come to the idea that the tie was Cooper's (mostly from reading the Citizen Sleuths' reports on it) so if the Seattle FBI discounts Kenny based on his brother's DNA, I think I could accept that. Admittedly, I would feel better about it (because of their actions on the Amboy chute) if the FBI would allow ArcPoint Labs in Seattle to see the partial profiles taken from the tie. But that possibility is undecided as yet. I am going to let ArcPoint try for that. I don't need to see them, but they have expressed an interest in doing an independent comparison, while keeping the actual partial profiles confidential. I guess we will see if this part works out.


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I just took my medication so I hope I don't screw-up.

Get some FACT straight!

Cossey was contacted by someone form the FBI about securing the emergency chutes. Cossey stated had the 2 back chutes he had just packed. He did not have the chess chutes.

He tells Lee the emergency chutes at the Parachute schools were not equipped with D-Rings and could not be attached.

Now this is in Himmelsbachs book and obviously the man writing the book for Mr. Himmelsbach screwed up.

Page 14. This was one of the errors pointed out to me yrs and yrs ago by none other than Himmelsbach.

Cossey had the 2 BACK chute and they were ready to go, but he didn't have the chest chutes. He told Lee he could pick-up the chest chutes from Linn Emrich at his parachute school and gave them his phone number.

The BACK CHUTES had D-rings and what has emerged from the media is incorrect. The writers and the media were not clear on things just like some of you whuffos are not because you did not read and re-read the book nor have you actually spoke to the individuals.

Emrich said he would provide the chest chutes and would be there to meet them after Lee contacted him.

Since I am getting groggy I will find the article regarding Emrich and his pulling the Chest Chute and that he made a mistake.

I did not quote the book but you will find the above information on Page 14 of Himmelsbachs book.

Remember I have a good memory & there is a section in this book or in Tosaws book or a news article where Limerich admits his fault in this.

See next post.
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Page 17 of Himmelsbacks book.
Emrich didn't want to give away the new chutes so he picked out out the older ones - NOT the FBI is there to get the CHEST CHUTES.


Emrich noted one of the chest Chutes had a big BLACK X on it and WONDERED what it meant.

That is all I can do for you guys tonight - this last post was difficult even though I was taking it from the books...

If you want you can look further and find that I am CORRECT & you will also learn why Emrich didn't know what the X meant!

These particular FACT are written in other materials including media sources.

SO GUYS - I hope you like CROW!
Meds are getting to me - so that is it at least for now.

I will state one thing - the Amboy CHute was BURIED! It was under a tree, but of course the tree had grown and the ROOTS of the tree were the reason they could NOT get all of that AMBOY Chute out. NO one went back to see if there was anything else buried there.
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When Cooper sent Tina Forward he had tied part of the money to him but it was dragging the floor.

Also remember he had a lot of time to secure the money in alternative ways AFTER he sent Tina Forward.

I expect this is when he decided to use the front chute for a package - she did NOT see him do this and why NO one found the darn X chute - he used it with the cord and secured the money & the pack to his body in the same manner smokejumpers secured their pacs and the same as the Nam forces did. Improvise - he knew the chute was good and the front pack was useless without the d-rings...so he was MAKING DO! Duane's favorite expression Making Do! With the cord and with the packing he was able to make a comfortable rig.

He knew his ropes & made one really bad mistake in his past by not secureing knot correctly over Alaska during some tests with Gilliam....but he learned tying a knot someones life depended on - not to ever make again. This time it was his own. I expect he may have thrown packing to the chute out before he jumped just to test the wind, but maybe it was knotted so he could use it to secure the package better and to provide some padding so he didn't get hurt....maybe there was something else in that dummy and not a chute - NOW that is speckulations. Being a DUMB CROOK he probably threw it out before he jump to test the wind and didn't even thing about someone finding it.



Duane told me if the man had died because of his bad knot the man would have died...but they managed to get him back in. I didn't understand what he was talking about but I do now. The experiment was a prototype test being done by private individuals in Alaska and they were NOT military.

Some of this post is speculation on my part know how Duane could make do with very little and still produce a product that someone else wanted or needed.

He was a jack of all trades. He learned how to this with CAT and the smokejumpers - so he knew what to do. NONE of you know what CAT has to do with AWARE, but I do. His Good friend were AWARE and he worked with CAT. Aware built airstips and Cat built the towers....they all knew each other.

The BOYS flying in and out of the vairous air ports...don't any of you get this - if now you are idiots...I am a woman and it did NOT talke me long to find become AWARE of the CAT and the connections...Mildred's husband was A Ford - a man who was questioned about the skyjacking.

He had an alibi.

He died and she remarried another man who worked in the same field.
I met her after that. In the beginning I connected this but was dissed. Later I talk about it again but in more detail and at the same time discuss Mouse and a murder/suicide.

I got a warning:
Too much infomation can be very dangerous.

I will say it again Mildred T was Mildred Ford. So you will telling whoppers in these threads? NOT me.

Good NIGHT now I am really haveing a hard time keeping a thought..
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Hi Everyone -

I just realized that reading the DZ is like reading the comics. When I get up and get a cup of Joe going, I open up the DZ and read the latest posting from Jo. If she's not there, I get disappointed.

She's always original and fresh. And full of mystery and intrigue - it's like Terry and the Pirates from the 1950s. Or Prince Valiant.

Bobby, of course, will do in a pinch, but he just repeats himself. If he posts the parachute file one more time, I'm gonna scream!

I don't think I'm alone in this. Sail said he does the same thing. We always talk about the DZ when we get together and we had that trip to Oregon a couple of weeks ago.

This posts conjures to my mind a recent social meeting - back in NY I get a daily bagel and coffee at my little shop in Stewart Manor. Over the weeks I was there I began talking with a couple of other regulars, including one guy, John, who was always laughing at the daily comics in Newsday. It amazed me because I don't think the current vintage of funnies, is well, funny.

But John thinks they are hysterical - just like I did when I was a kid.

John also loves quantum physics and we had a great chat one day discussing the Observer Effect and the New Physics.

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skyjack71

You keep attaching PDF Files and I cannot open them and do not understand - They go to my pictures and there is Zero there.



Must be opened in Adobe Reader. If you don't have Adobe Reader installed, you can do that HERE.

Just make sure you UNCHECK the box first that says 'Install Google Chrome as My Default Browser' and do that BEFORE you begin installing the program. Otherwise you will get Google Chrome as your new internet browser. After you uncheck the box, go to bottom right and hit Install Now. The rest is automatic.

Once you have Adobe, you can return here, click on the link, and it will work.


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Ahem,


There is another way to look at the Amboy chute kerfuffle, and that is to back-track through the scenarios of what back chutes went aboard Flight 305:

Depending on who you would like to believe, here are your options for a back chute aboard "Da Plane, Da Plane!"

Cossey:
1. NB-6 with a 26-foot canopy, maybe a C-Something
2. NB-6 with a 28-foot canopy, maybe a C-9
3. NB-8, with a 28-foot canopy, maybe a C-9
3. Pioneer rig with a 26-foot canopy, possibly a Steinthal
4. Paradise, whatever that is, with something, who knows what
5. Paracommander, presumably a 26-foot canopy

Hayden:
1. Pioneer, with a 26-foot Steinthal, two delivered, one returned

US Government:
1. Two different Military type parachutes (see Bobby's document for details - I refuse to look at it one more time...)

Do any of these parachutes resemble the thing found in Amboy? Doesn't sound like it. Hence, the Thing in Amboy ain't the thing we are looking for.

Flip side: If the Amboy chute was DB Cooper's, where's everything else, ie: body, money, briefcase, bomb, X-reserve, etc....

Also, has anyone actually talked with the folks who found the Thing in Amboy? I mean, really.

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How did you determine that none of those chutes were the same as the one found in Amboy? You don't know, that is the answer. Without a container and harness, that makes the job of ID'ing the thing even more difficult. And when the FBI says absolutely nothing on how they came to the idea it wasn't Cooper's...this makes the job even doubly more difficult.

Never said the chute was Cooper's. I said the FBI never gave a suitable reason it wasn't. And considering that national media ran story after story about it, including details via Cossey that didn't make sense...that the idea of the FBI releasing more information on their conclusions makes perfect sense. Cossey still insisting he not only owned, but delivered the chutes has been roundly discounted by the FBI's own file, a file that was created at the start of the investigation. This just makes his immediate ID of the chute even more questionable. In fact, the only reason provided was from Cossey, who claimed the canopy was made of silk, and not nylon.

And that is extremely unlikely as well.


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