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'Blevins - GIVE it UP! You are just spinning you wheels and after reading the things I just read about Vickie's dad - YOU need to just back down and let this case get solved.....

I don't care who COOPER was - but I know it was NOT Kenny...'



Well, then you are doing better than I am on that, because I don't know if Kenny was Cooper or not. Sure, I have my suspicions, but I can't say yet one way or another.

I also saw Vicki's posts over at the alternate site. Now those posts were pretty good, since they weren't complaints by Georger and others about Lyle getting tested or the state of my mental health. (Fine, thank you)

The reason I came down on Shutter so hard about content at the alternate site was pretty simple. He touts that place as being established to 'get away from drama by Blevins and Jo' (paraphrased) more than once...and then when I finally drop by half the damn posts are ABOUT Blevins and Jo. And a lot of them are filled with lies and BS.

I suppose the best way to avoid that is to provide these folks a little less cannon fodder to work with. The funny thing is that some of them were whining over there because I wasn't being forthcoming on information any more. Geez...you just can't please some people, I swear. First they say they want to get away. Then they bitch when you stop discussing or revealing current info. In other words, they don't really want to 'get away' from discussing Kenny, or yours truly, or even Jo. They just want to do it somewhere private where they can spout whatever BS they wish without fear of being banned by a reasonable moderator. Fortunately, from the numbers it looks mostly like in-house views, not the general public like Dropzone views. So I suppose I should avoid looking over there if I don't want to see that crud.

Vicki's posts at the alternate site are a different matter. Those are solid. She doesn't have much to go on, and the only real problem is her father has remained un-traceable. I've run some fairly deep searches on him and come up zip. I don't know if she's tried it yet, but maybe she should submit her DNA to one of the databases, or several of them. Georger, of course, would warn her that is dangerous. I'm not sure if I believe in the Gattaca scenario, but sometimes if you want answers you have to take risks. I do have some advice for Vicki, and that's for her to buy a membership at Ancestry.com and start running everything about her family that is possible. You never know. Maybe her father came up in a Census after 1972, or something will pop up somewhere. It's pretty tough to remain completely invisible for so many years unless he changed his identity completely and moved out of the country. If he is still in the USA under another name, he could have made a minor slip-up somewhere, sometime, and that might show at Ancestry.

Probably the best course is for me to move forward on whatever I have to do regarding Kenny Christiansen and not say anything else publicly about that. I will just tell you what I already have: The swabs should arrive today from Lyle Christiansen. I'll go ahead and pay ArcPoint to open the package and do 'their thing' on those swabs. The printed results will be submitted to the Seattle FBI, along with the new report on Christiansen. I wrapped up the report this morning with the latest information I was able to obtain from Bernie Geestman's family and left it at that. (I will add the interview information on Ann Grimes, if any is obtained, and a couple of minor items before actually mailing it out to the Seattle FBI. That can't happen until after the DNA results come back and after I do the Grimes interview.)

I did see some posts 'over there' about Kenny's house. Some of you posting have been trying to figure that out. Now that is a fair subject, because some of the case on Kenny Christiansen is based on the idea that he bought this house when he obviously couldn't afford it at the time. Briefly, this is what we know on that:

Christiansen arranged a promissory note with Ann and Joe Grimes for approximately half the cost of the house.

Bernie Geestman, although he denies knowing anything on the arrangements, or how Kenny chose that house, served as Best Man at the Grimes' wedding. (We think he actually put Kenny and the Grimes couple together for the house, just as he arranged the loan to his sister. Both happened within ninety days of each other.)

This promissory note was used as leverage to obtain a mortgage on the balance.

The note, or any payoff on it, is NOT mentioned anywhere else in property records, and is not in Kenny's personal papers or the final payoff notice on the mortgage.

The only living person who knows how all this went down is Ann Grimes. I have her address now, but I haven't gotten around to interviewing her yet because I have been busy working with the Geestman family and working at my regular job, AB stuff, etc.

I plan to attempt an interview with her this weekend. I canceled my camping trip to do this. I think it's important enough that it needs to be added to the final report on Kenny Christiansen. (Ann Grimes no longer lives in Puyallup, but she is within reasonable driving distance, maybe just over an hour away.) I have more than a few questions for her, but the BIGGEST one is How Long Did It Take, and In What Amounts Did Kenny Pay Off This Promissory Note. We know Kenny took around 18 years to pay off his mortgage. If Grimes says Kenny paid back the approximately $7,500 on the promissory note in a year or two, this will definitely raise a red flag. (In my opinion)

There are now FOUR named witnesses in the report whom the Seattle FBI may contact regarding the $5,000 loan between Kenny and Bernie Geestman's sister Dawn Androsko. This loan happened in April of 1972. These four people do NOT include Bernie Geestman, although he certainly knew about it since he was the one who arranged it and delivered the money to his sister.

I told the FBI that if the profile from Lyle Christiansen is compared to what they have...and as a result Kenny Christiansen is definitely eliminated as the hijacker...that I would accept that as long as they could assure me the criteria they used to eliminate him was solid. I see that approach as perfectly fair. I actually lean toward the idea that the profile they have from the tie might be good, because they invested a lot of time working with Marla Cooper using the same criteria. And although I never believed Marla's story, I have to hope the DNA approach is a good one. At this point, unless Bernie Geestman calls up the Seattle Times and admits both his lies and his guilt, this might be the best way to determine the truth on Christiansen.

I also saw a post at the alternate site saying Lyle should be careful about submitting his DNA to the FBI because it would go into a big database, etc. (From Georger, I believe) I spoke to Lyle about that. He doesn't care. The guy is something like 88 years old now and isn't worried about it. Says he will take a chance on that if it helps determine the guilt or innocence on his brother. I told Lyle: 'Well, if they compare your profile to what they have from the tie, and they can't eliminate Kenny based on that, then maybe they will actually interview some of the witnesses listed in the report.'

Some of those people are NEW witnesses, i.e. family members of Bernie Geestman. Same people who told me the following regarding whether Geestman was involved in the hijacking:
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'We'd rather wait to say anything (about his possible involvement) until after he (Bernie) is gone...' (passed away)



What I am hoping of course is that the FBI will take the report seriously, which they MIGHT...but only if the DNA doesn't eliminate Christiansen from possibly being Cooper. Between last May and now everyone around here has been pretty busy fixing the errors from the original report and researching out every available piece of accurate information for the new report. I kind of doubt the Seattle FBI would even open up and look at a THIRD report, so this one has to be it.

That's about all I can tell you and there probably won't be any updates on the whole thing for a while.

I saw another post wondering where the 'new' book is about Kenny, in other words, a second revision of Blast. We're not going to do that unless we come to a final determination on Christiansen, or the FBI does. Then maybe the original will be pulled and we will rewrite the whole thing. But for now, no.

EDIT: Lyle's package arrived today. (I will let ArcPoint Labs open it up and deal with it.) I don't care if anyone volunteers any advice on that, as long as it doesn't include 'don't do it,' because we ARE going to attempt to have his DNA profile run from these swabs.


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A couple of interesting bits from the interview with John Detlor, discussing the hijacking with the WSHM folks:

On the FBI and Fed search for the ransom money:

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'People worry about him spending the money. We had a list of serial numbers, but the reality is, it was twenty dollar bills. We had financial institutions and other stores and businesses that would get a suspicious transaction with twenty dollar bills. They’d call the Bureau and we’d check the bills against the list and you know, never got any identified.

But the Fed didn’t even track serial numbers on twenties when they’re destroyed. So if the guy successfully got away with some of the money, if he spent a few bills at a time, he never would have attracted any attention and nobody would have ever caught him that way...'



On the rear airstairs, which he wondered about:

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'And so the plane took off out of Seattle and one of the things that he told them [is] that he wanted to take off with the rear airstair down.

H: Interesting, yeah.

D: Which we still look at it a little bit and wonder why he’d do that...'



On how the criteria for the search location was developed:

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'So they went back and found this bump in cabin pressure and felt that that was probably where he bailed out. The following January, we took that plane up over the ocean and with some guys from the Air Force and with the same flight crew flying it and dropped out the back door some wooden sleds with sandbags on them to replicate the weight of a person. And what we found was that the air flow causes that airstair to not close all the way but to be up in the air or be on a partially closed basis, rather than being fully open. And as weight gets on it, it pushes the thing down a little bit farther. When that weight suddenly drops the doors slams temporarily shut then goes back to the level at which air flow would normally keep it at. But that instantaneous closing of it caused the bump up in cabin pressure that the crew had felt when they were flying to Reno.

H: Oh I see. Okay so it’s just like almost like a diving board type of thing?

D: Yeah, that’s right.'




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Blevins just does NOT get it. NO one wants to hear about KC anymore. IT is OVER!

Evidently he ignored my posts altogether - but I have been a busy girl today.....I need to dig into old files, but do not have the strength to do so....I got 2 phone calls today & both times they hung up before I could get to the phone - the numbers are NOT identifiable - whatever that means - I guess unlisted.

The past of Weber & Vickies dad crossed paths more than once. When I read Vickie accounting of her dad's prison records - both Duane & her dad were in San Quentin at the same time.

Both had roots in the same places.

They both lived in the same areas afterwards and before.

You guys will NOTE I have never discouraged Vickie because there was SOMETHING there - it matched things Duane told me - but until I read the history she supplied to the FBI - I didn't know why.

Wish she had posted all of that in this thread - then perhaps we could have gotten the FBI to pay attention. If it was here - then I was like Blevins to self-absorbed.

I firmly believe the FBI is PAYING attention NOW!

Blevins if you spend another hour or another $ on your KC story - you are a fool. I just hope the DZ will allow some of the posters to come back to his forum - it is more public....than the alternate site.

The DZ would not want me to be a moderator....because it they were off topic or agitating other posters or wasting band space - they would take a vacation - such as some of the outlandish things Bruce & Georger post - unnecessary crap that has ZERO to do regarding finding Cooper or solving the case.

Just postings meant to demean or to keep the thread off target.

Frankly I would like to see the whole crew back - but it would take some serious moderating & the DZ has to ask themselves if it is really worth it.

Blevins, you need to stand down for awhile - as long as you continue to promote Kenny - this thread is dead.

BLEVINS DID YOU ACTUALLY READ THE THINGS THAT VICKIE WROTE? OBVIOUSLY YOU DIDN'T!

Oh by the way I found the old 101.
Blevins & YOU do not even want to go there....it makes you the idiot of the Cooper story. I had printed it out. You were HAD! Perhaps by Skip himself!
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If the stuff was so 'boring' on KC, I wouldn't keep seeing him (as well as myself) being discussed all the time over at the alternate site.

The reason this thread has fewer posters is because some of the folks who hang out at the alternate site believe they can make THEIR site numero uno on Cooper. But the problem is they have little public traffic, and they can't match the massive amount of information actually contained within the Dropzone thread. It's a convention over there populated by the same faces we see here. I don't have any real problem with that, but that's what they are...a convention. I don't think they mind that at all. My only objection is when I see personal attacks and lies going over there occasionally with my name attached to them. Also, when you start blocking out any networks related to schools, libraries, workplaces, or the use of Virtual Private Networks (large numbers of people use VPN to surf the internet nowadays), you just aren't going to get the traffic of a more open site. It's SEO 101.

The public, believe it or not, are smarter than you think. I get messages about that site. Most are not flattering. Some of these messages come to me from people I've never heard of who lurk here at Dropzone.

The DB Cooper thread at Dropzone has large numbers of lurkers from the public. It's linked out everywhere. It is mentioned in the best-selling book on Cooper ever (Skyjack). It is in articles, on other websites as links. I mean it is ALL OVER THE PLACE. That's why when you go back to a post here a couple of weeks later, you'll see views to that post sometimes numbering well over a thousand. Go back six months and its in five figures.

So ask yourself where the public hangs out regarding Cooper...;) It's pretty obvious.

There's nothing wrong with a niche site on Cooper. There are plenty of internet threads on him. And articles, etc. I just don't like phonies. I never have. And in my opinion it is extremely phony to tout a website for one reason, and then go completely against that concept. Nothing I can do about that, of course. I just want the public to understand that's the way it is.

This is what WE are doing: Interviewing witnesses who matter, and going over every single piece of info gathered in the last five years. Putting together our final report on one Kenny Peter Christiansen and including his brother's DNA profile in that report. That's all. Next spring we might run an open Cooper event at the Auburn Avenue Theater. We found out the hard way that trying to do that during the Auburn Days Festival is useless because parking is tough and no one goes to Days to visit the theater. Most other events at the Ave serve a packed house easily. But then you aren't having to park blocks away and wade through thousands of people.

What in the hell is '101'? (Besides a really nice coastal highway) If you have a question in there somewhere, why don't you present what you have and ASK. I haven't lied up to now, and I certainly don't intend to start doing that on this thread. (Being wrong doesn't count.)


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Vickie - you never told this on the DZ.

I took the liberty of copying your post....because you need to see the correlation.

When Duane told me he knew your father - he evidently did.

I am not going to reveal the entire posting you made at the other site, but you need to look at this.

I did NOT and had never seen the records you posted on the other place...

Correlate this - and remember the things I told you in the past. You never mentioned the dates your father had been in SAN QUENTIN

To everyone:
Note the dates:
Vickie states:

"A little background.....My father was born in September 8, 1927 in the San Francisco/Oakland area. He joined the Navy. He spent time in California prisons before and during his first marriage. He entered San Quentin prison in 1954 then left his first family upon the end of his sentence. We have no history of his whereabouts from the time he was released from San Quentin until he met my mother in 1963 in Las Vegas Nevada. "

Note from 1962 until 1966 Duane lived as John Collins and we do NOT know all of the areas he lived in...but we do know he went back to California off and on...I have the exwife's story on this. If only you had told all of this before she died in 2004 - she might have been able to have shed some light on this.

I didn't know about you and you didn't know about me.


Vickie Duane Weber and your father were in San Quentin at the same time.

Your father entered San Quentin 1954 and Duane was sent to San Quentin in 1951. Duane was still in San Quentin in 1954 and he was transferred to Folsom in July of 1955. Duane was released from Folsom in March of 1957.

Duane did NOT lie about knowing your father - why did you not tell me this a long time ago.

Maybe you posted it here, but I did not see it.

They both ended up back in the Ms/Ks area. How ironic!

Duane was in Kansas/ Missouri area as John Collins in 1965 working as an insurance agent and in 1966 he ciphered money from the debit collection on his route and that is what he was sent to Jefferson for and remained in Jefferson until 1968.

Why didn't you tell me this?

At least I would have known I was NOT crazy - I kept telling you about Duane noting an article run in Atlanta and Duane told me he knew that man.

The story about the car I already knew and I shared this with you.

What yrs did he have that car he loved so much?

I read on and realized you did not know about Cooper until 2008.
Oh, My God!

1971 he is out on Bail and goes POOF

Your father was in the Navy when was he in the Navy? VERY important - remember Duane was in the Navy also. Right now I cannot even think!

I just could NOT believe the things I was reading, but coming from you I know they are true - even before I ever heard of you I had mention the article about the counterfiet 20's and Duane saying he knew the man....this was around 1981/1983 if I remember correctly - it was in an Atlanta Newspaper. They were running a sequence of articles. I could be wrong on the dates.

I definitely think Mel Wilson is on the RADAR and I think the FBI need to find that man in S. Fla who knew him...and helped him and was responsible for him having some kind of marker on his paupers grave.

I pulled the phone records, but I gave up when I did NOT hear from you. I just know that the Orlando Sentinel pull that small article from a south Fl newpaper and some one told me I needed to read it.

The Sentinel never recontacted me this last time - because I wanted the dates and the name of the man again....I had throw all of that away after I checked it out, but I still have the OLD phone records....

The numbers I got now belong to someone else...but you can BET the FBI can find out who had those numbers before...I will make all of the suspect phone number available to them - I know I called several time and only caught the wife - and then I did have 2 conversation with him.

The FBI has to hear all of this.
They can find that paupers grave.
That man was your dad. If it was after I moved to this house in 2001 I won't have the records because I switched to Unlimited and you do not get an itemized statement then....

We have to find the DATES that article was run and find the article itself. THE FBI is not going to do it.

Duane mentioned that car on the WA trip we made...in 1979, but with no details. I am trying to remember what he said about the car and the man - but I did not connect that conversation to the article in a newpaper in 1981/1983.

God HELP me remember what he said about that car! I am actually praying. I remember something he said and it was not about the car, but I will tell you in regular email...very tired right now and was supposed to have been in bed hours ago.

Now I am crying - ASK GOD to help me remember what Duane said about the red car in 1979. I know he talked about the car while we were living in CO and I always thought it was in the mountains of CO he made the statement - trees and steep cliffs and rocks - it could have been WA or CO. I just wish I had known all of this before my mind got so cluttered.

I believe I posted in Unsolved Mysteries or 101 about the red car - WAY before I came to this thread...I did NOT know the man was your father and NOW I am positive.

There is a grave site in WA Duane pointed out and he knew the man who was buried there - but I didn't find a recent marker in 2010 when I was there - it was pouring down rain all day.



Jo.....

Is this the article from the Orlando Sentinel you were speaking of?

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1986-09-16/lifestyle/0250340090_1_grave-cemetery-workers-hawthorne/2
Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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Our contact at ArcPoint Labs has asked me whether it would be possible for them to examine the DNA profile from the tie that is now in the FBI's possession. They would like to make their own comparison between Lyle's profile and what the Seattle FBI now has from the tie.

I told them they would have to speak to the Seattle office themselves on this, but they want to discuss this further when I bring in Lyle's samples.

Gayla Prociv has instructed me to prepare a press release, and I am going to invite the press to meet me at the time I deliver the sample. I will provide them with the updated report on Kenny at the same time, some copies in print, but most of them will be offered on a DVD that will include a short video on the current investigation.

Don't know if anyone will actually show up, of course. :)


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NO, Vickie that is NOT the article.
The article was from a small town newspaper - and it mentioned counterfeit 20's. The Sentinel just ran the article from that small Town some place South of Orlando and near water.

When I found the article it was in the Sentinel, but not their article.

I call everywhere in that area and found the man who took care of another man like the article you found, but it is NOT the same article and I do not believe the same man.

Not from the conversation I had with the man who he rented from or who lived next door.

The local man in this town who had the newspaper - when I found him had just closed his doors 2 wks before, but had kept the phone number until all outstanding bills were paid. I really cannot even remember the yr now.

I filed it away in my mind and still haven't been able to find it. I do not really remember if it was before 2001 or after...I have NO way of tracing thing after 2001 - because the unlimited long distance - does not provide an itemized bill.

I have checked my old log, but about 2 yrs ago - I went thru them tearing out pages that didn't mean anything....the name of the man I spoke to I can't remember, the name of the paper I can't remember nor the name of the man who helped your father out.

Before someone thought this was the article I was referring to - it is NOT. The article that the Sentinental picked up - mentioned what the man had said to the person who helped him.

He told him he had been in trouble regarding the counterfeiting of some 20's. THIS was specifically mentioned and this is why the landlord/friend thought he might have been Cooper in retrospect. THE article definitely mentioned Cooper.

Because if mentioned Cooper is WHY it was called to my attention.
I just this MOMENT remembered the man who called it to my attention...Jerry who died in 2006 a yr before my last husband.

My old friend and my husband became good friends - and now they are both gone - both died of lung cancer!

Jerry was pretty good doing searches and he would make me copies of things he found and then later when I got computer & learned how to do emails - he would send a short email...but I had a hard time learning how to make attachment.

To find anything written means going thur volumes (4 inches thick and arranged chonologically). The only own who got his very own volume was Galen....smartest thing I ever did in my entire - yrs of chasing Cooper...me thinks my gut told me to do it.

IF it was after 2002 and then I learned how to save things on a computer - but that computer CRASHED in 2004 TAKING everything I had with it. BUT most things I did print and continued the volumes.

I even called the Sentinental and that is how I got a copy of the article way back then.. I found the little newspaper and then the guy who helped him.

NOT the same story as the one you posted - someone posted that article in the thread before when I was chasing this memory.
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Gayla Prociv has instructed me to prepare a press release, and I am going to invite the press to meet me at the time I deliver the sample. I will provide them with the updated report on Kenny at the same time, some copies in print, but most of them will be offered on a DVD that will include a short video on the current investigation.



Really Blevins - I can't believe you would want the press there! I have little respect for you regarding this and you make it plain & clear you are ALL about promoting you book.

You could care less who Cooper really was! If you did - you would handle it without the press.

That was the most disgusting thing you have EVER posted...you finally showed your TRUE self. Made me feel really nauseated!

You have taken everything anyone said or posted & made it about KC.
Actually you should FEEL some shame!

You do NOT want the truth - You just want a story so if Cooper is never ID'ed you will have made your mark on history - long after everyone forgets the real story & the real research on Cooper.

Just shaking my head & shrugging my shoulders - making that face women often make when they feel disgust with a horrible loathing feeling. A sick to my stomach feeling! I actually thought you wanted to find the truth, but what you have just stated - NOW, I agree with opinions other have of you and to think I actually thought you CARED about the truth!

I can't stop shuddering - this is the lowest thing YOU have ever done. YOU just showed the world your TRUE motive!

My stomach is churning - got to go!

You have created the lie you want to go around the world - that is why you use that quote at the end of your posting!
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Actually...I am only trying to find out if Kenny Christiansen was Cooper. That's it. I can't alter any DNA test, and if the Seattle FBI ever decides to check out the witnesses named in the updated report, I have no control over that either.

Since the chances of being right on a single suspect in the Cooper case are pretty damn small, I don't see anything in my actions except a straightforward and truthful approach to the whole thing.

You should be happy. Chances are extremely heavy that the results of comparing Lyle's DNA profile to the partial profile held by the FBI will result in a rejection of Kenny as the hijacker. The only reason I'm even giving it a try is because I think it's the only way to settle the Kenny Question once and for all.

And if Kenny is rejected through DNA, I don't see any other option but to pull Blast from publication and move on to something else. (The only thing I will ask of ArcPoint and the Seattle FBI is to assure me the criteria they based that rejection on is reasonably solid. Not perfect, just reasonable.) But that 'something else' will not include investigating any more unsolved crimes. I have had enough of that. I will simply go back to the life I had before, which was editing books for others and sometimes writing one of my own. And I suppose continuing on with the cleaning biz for another five years or so before I retire to Roswell, NM. I have already directed Greg the Techie Guy to prepare to make changes to our official website, such as deleting our DB Cooper Info Page and pulling the book links to Amazon from the site as well. Let's face it. With the number of people who have been forwarded as Cooper, for us to be right on Kenny was always a long shot. If it turns out he CAN'T be eliminated by the DNA tests, then we will wait and see if the FBI proceeds further on that information and takes more notice of the report. But I am not really expecting that to happen because it would be unrealistic. Like I said...it was always a long shot.

I'm leaning toward Roswell for eventual retirement because the Chamber of Commerce once sent me a personal invite to live there. They said I'd fit right in, and I won't have to take a jet anymore every time I want to see my folks. ;)

That life is preferable to hanging out in Cooperland, I think. Most of the folk in that group are okay by me. Some are rather hateful and vindictive, and sometimes lie about you to forward their own ends. I can do better in my online social life than that. Because I have often done so before.

EDIT: I have a message from Greg the Techie Guy, my friend since Windows 3.1 who keeps the machines polished and running. He thinks the alternate site on Cooper, touted by its creator (Shutter) as 'The Biggest Forum on DB Cooper' may now be blocking post views from not only networks and VPN's...but guests as well. This means anyone who happens along the site via Google or Bing would have to REGISTER to see posts.

Yeah...now that's a GOOD way to build a public site. (laughs) Are you guys going to try 256K encryption next? I have a strong suspicion that this was done solely because I caught their user 'Coopsnoop' aka Galen Cook, DB Cooper Investigator Extraordinaire, in a fat string of lies. He actually claimed receiving messages from my co-author Skipp Porteous trashing me and saying the most ridiculous things imaginable. This is what you call 'embarrassing' for the creator and supposed moderator of that site.

Shutter is caught between a rock and a hard place. On one hand, you want a good site where the public will actually pay attention. On the other hand, your hands are tied by Cooper Royalty, which can prevent you from doing the right thing.

You can sit over there like a bunch of old biddies and do your thing. But no one is paying attention and your credibility is quickly going to hell. I want you to consider these things the next time you come to Dropzone to see my next post....

And then spend endless time at that non-public site discussing it. Too bad no one except your measly 28 members actually sees any of your 'Biggest Forum on DB Cooper'.

I can't believe I had that effect on you. Just because I called out Cook on his lies? You must be kidding. Let's face it. You and that site are terrified of me. I didn't know I was so scary that you would block out the whole world just so I can't see what you are saying. It's unbelievable and stunning at the same time. Maybe even flattering. B|


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#1. Regarding the 20 it was after Duane died and before I found out who Dan Cooper was.

That 20 was in the bank (a bank we called Symba - as it looked just like our dog named Symba).

During that time frame I did NOT know Dan Cooper was the name given by D.B. Cooper. It would be May of 1996 before I found this out - and why I called the FBI.

At the time I found the 20 I had no reason to consider it meant anything...I was folded with an enclosure to the size of a quarter.
I could never repeat the folds that interlocked.

This is why I remembered it & I remember the night & where I was sitting in the Ramada - & I swear upon my daughter lives - that I am telling the truth. Nothing about that 20 was made up. I felt if I told about it - everyone would make fun of me like they had done since I revealed it.

Why I just kept it to myself.



NOW the 2ed Reason why I am posting tonight:

MOST IMPORTANT:

Georger hold on to whatever symbol you recognize GOD by as this I should have researched before - remember I kept telling the thread about Duane in1970 working for a dentist - he was doing clean-up & learning how to use the equipment - my impression is that the dentist was related to a woman he stated dating at that time....

Duane was very skilled with his hands & he cleaned the equipment and learned how to use some of it...he talked about how detailed it was. Duane told me about him & pointed out a large farm he owned. I do not know his name, but the approximate location of the farm...as it was near an old house he lived in right after his divorce from the prior wife & the address is probably in the tax record for that yr.


I so not know how to import sites into the thread so I will copy parts of it here and you guys can find it.


#2. Titanium in Dentistry:


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Gold
Composite – Resin
Porcelain

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"Many of titanium’s physical and mechanical properties make it desirable as a material for implants and prosthesis. The strength and rigidity of titanium is comparable to those of other noble or high noble alloys commonly used in dentistry, and titanium’s ductility, when chemically pure, is similar to that of many dental alloys. Titanium can also be alloyed with other metals, such as aluminum, vanadium or iron to modify its mechanical properties.

The low density of titanium provides for high-strength, lightweight prosthesis.

Additionally, dental porcelain can be fused and bonded to titanium to produce an aesthetic, lifelike restoration.

Titanium has been used in cast dental prosthesis since the 1970s. Equipment is available to cast titanium into single-and multiple-unit-crown-and-bridge frameworks, implant-supported structures and partial or full denture bases.

For more than 25 years, titanium has been used for both endosseous and subperiosteal implants. Endosseous implants have taken the form of rods, posts and blades made of either pure titanium or titanium alloys.

The oxide layer on the implant surface permits close apposition of physiological fluids, proteins, and hard and soft tissues to the metal surface. This process, whereby living tissue and an implant become structurally and functionally connected, is called osseointegration. Titanium also has been used successfully as a bio compatible implant material, and continual improvements in both device design and clinical implantation techniques have led to well-accepted and predictable procedures."




:)Duane spoke of it extensively.

:)ALL work was DONE on site.

The bridge Duane had was so good I never EVER saw him without it....I believe he had a temporary in 1971....and that was the sucking or pursing the witnesses attempted to explain to the artist as he could never get the witnesses to agree no the mouth due to the pursing motion Cooper made.

I do not know the yr Duane had the work done but from the pictures I would say the prosthetic was in place prior to 1974 & definitely before I met him.

That prosthetic would last until 1990 when it was replace. As I have told before I NEVER saw him with out it.

:PGUESS what I have sitting on my desk? His OLD prosthetic that was remove when they did the replacement in 1990! He kept it and it is in a small bottle....I did take it out and examine it but do not know if anyone else has ever touched it.

Just key in Dental prosthesis & titanium. You will find several sites about this. NOTE used prior to 1971 in dental labs.

I never did it before - but Georger and others had harped on the metal and Duane also had a friend who worked in the manufacture of the metal in Denver. Duane gave the impression he himself worked there in the 60's for a short time.

1962 to 1968 he was JOHN COLLINS and even went to prison under that name in 1966 why Larry Carr refused to make the file available - but I had already been talking to the prison and why Carr made what little he did make available at that time.

My conversations with the state records & state employees - I have all of those communication in black and white.

I was told there was NO photos attached to the file at that time.
The woman I was communicating with found this very UNUSUAL!

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Cyberstalking is the use of the Internet or other electronic means to stalk or harass an individual, a group, or an organization. It may include false accusations, defamation, slander and libel. It may also include monitoring, identity theft, threats, vandalism, solicitation for sex, or gathering information that may be used to threaten or harass.

Cyberstalking is often accompanied by realtime or offline stalking. Both are criminal offenses. Both are motivated by a desire to control, intimidate or influence a victim. A stalker may be an online stranger or a person whom the target knows. He may be anonymous and solicit involvement of other people online who do not even know the target.

Cyberstalking is a criminal offense under various state anti-stalking, slander, and harassment laws. A conviction can result in a restraining order, probation, or criminal penalties against the assailant, including jail.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Cyberstalking is the use of the Internet or other electronic means to stalk or harass an individual, a group, or an organization. It may include false accusations, defamation, slander and libel. It may also include monitoring, identity theft, threats, vandalism, solicitation for sex, or gathering information that may be used to threaten or harass.

Cyberstalking is often accompanied by realtime or offline stalking. Both are criminal offenses. Both are motivated by a desire to control, intimidate or influence a victim. A stalker may be an online stranger or a person whom the target knows. He may be anonymous and solicit involvement of other people online who do not even know the target.

Cyberstalking is a criminal offense under various state anti-stalking, slander, and harassment laws. A conviction can result in a restraining order, probation, or criminal penalties against the assailant, including jail.



Oh, pulleeze...I didn't even provide a link to your site, Shutter. Galen Cook, your user 'Coopsnoop' was caught in a bag of lies, screenshots were taken, and I called you on it. Now you are circling the wagons by even disallowing views from normal internet searches without registering first.

I couldn't care less. The point is simple. For a site that touts itself as the 'Biggest Forum on DB Cooper' you are a crash-and-burn. Totally.

It's a private convention and nothing more. If you were trying to interest the public or do anything resembling SEO, or gain imput or discussion from the public, you failed miserably. :S


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SHUTTER FIXED all of that. WHAT is your problem Blevins?

Do you see me BASHING the other site - yes, I did when they were NOT playing by the rules, but NOW they are. Sure I don't like it when they make negative references about me or compare me to you or to Marla, but shit happens. IT happen here.

Going public about a controversal subject - then EXPECT to have to fight the same battles others fight to take office. Look at all of the dirt being thrown around in FL with this yrs governors race.

Frankly you never introduce anything with substance yourself lately - all about promotion & not advancing your cause. Maybe you should come to FL and help the politician on their agendas.

Me! I state what I think needs to be stated lately. I do not spend my time bashing others - useless waste to spend whats left of ones life on this earth.

I really do have that damn "bridge work" that Duane had removed and I will bet money it has titanium in it - same as the shard they found on the tie.

Note the FBI never acknowledge the shard - just this team of sleuths, it therefore does NOT appear that it is actual evidence collected by the FBI & that they would actually use it to put an individual on the plane...

IF THEY DO - then perhaps I hold a VERY important CLUE as to who Cooper was. Hey, I got that knife that Tina saw - and it had a piece of the cord in it - but the FBI has never looked at these things - they know they exist.

They already ruled Weber out based on prints and they won't look at him again unless I produce the ticket or the money.

Watch the FBI squirm out of this one....regarding the tie:

The call goes in on MONDAY and if the FBI doesn't reply then it goes to Tom to see if they match.

If that doesn't work - it goes to the PRESS - but, I have noted no one reads the emails I send to the FBI or to the press - I am NOBODY!

You are NOBODY! The FBI is NOT looking at anyone right now....and you can bet they will won't ever reply to the Titanium thing.

If the FBI accepted the Titanium as an actual clue - then by all means they would look at it....but there are NO indications the FBI actually thinks the Titanium on the tie - is an actual clue....after all they ruled Weber out simply on prints and nothing else...yet, then later is reveal they do not have good enough prints to rule one in or out! They do NOT know if they even have Coopers Prints!

They didn't even do a full evaluation of this in the past & you expect them to do it NOW!

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#1. Regarding the 20 it was after Duane died and before I found out who Dan Cooper was.

That 20 was in the bank (a bank we called Symba - as it looked just like our dog named Symba).

During that time frame I did NOT know Dan Cooper was the name given by D.B. Cooper. It would be May of 1996 before I found this out - and why I called the FBI.

At the time I found the 20 I had no reason to consider it meant anything...I was folded with an enclosure to the size of a quarter.
I could never repeat the folds that interlocked.

This is why I remembered it & I remember the night and where I was sitting in the Ramada - and I swear upon my daughter lives - that I am telling the truth. Nothing about that 20 was made up. I felt if I told about it - everyone would make fun of me like they had done since I revealed it.

Fortunately to those who question my memory - the kinds of statement made comparing me to Marla is exactly why I just kept it to myself.



NOW the 2ed Reason why I am posting tonight:

MOST IMPORTANT:

Georger hold on to whatever symbol you recognize GOD by as this I should have researched before - remember I kept telling the thread about Duane in1970 working for a dentist - he was doing clean-up & learning how to use the equipment - my impression is that the dentist was related to a woman he stated dating at that time....

Duane was very skilled with his hands & he cleaned the equipment and learned how to use some of it...he talked about how detailed it was. Duane told me about him and pointed out a large farm he owned...I do not know his name, but the approximate location of the farm...as it was near an old house he lived in right after his divorce from the prior wife & the address is probably in the tax record for that yr.


I so not know how to import sites into the thread so I will copy parts of it here and you guys can find it.


#2. Titanium in Dentistry:


DENTAL MATERIALS»
Amalgam
Titanium
Gold
Composite – Resin
Porcelain

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"Many of titanium’s physical and mechanical properties make it desirable as a material for implants and prosthesis. The strength and rigidity of titanium is comparable to those of other noble or high noble alloys commonly used in dentistry, and titanium’s ductility, when chemically pure, is similar to that of many dental alloys. Titanium can also be alloyed with other metals, such as aluminum, vanadium or iron to modify its mechanical properties.

The low density of titanium provides for high-strength, lightweight prosthesis.

Additionally, dental porcelain can be fused and bonded to titanium to produce an aesthetic, lifelike restoration.

Titanium has been used in cast dental prosthesis since the 1970s. Equipment is available to cast titanium into single-and multiple-unit-crown-and-bridge frameworks, implant-supported structures and partial or full denture bases.

For more than 25 years, titanium has been used for both endosseous and subperiosteal implants. Endosseous implants have taken the form of rods, posts and blades made of either pure titanium or titanium alloys.

The oxide layer on the implant surface permits close apposition of physiological fluids, proteins, and hard and soft tissues to the metal surface. This process, whereby living tissue and an implant become structurally and functionally connected, is called osseointegration. Titanium also has been used successfully as a bio compatible implant material, and continual improvements in both device design and clinical implantation techniques have led to well-accepted and predictable procedures."




I did not go into the procedures used in recent yrs - but, the Dentist he was working for - was HIGH END and had his OWN LAB.

ALL work was DONE on site.

The bridge Duane had was so good I never EVER saw him without it....I believe he had a temporary in 1971....and that was the sucking or pursing the witnesses attempte to explain to the artist as he could never get the witnesses to agree no the mouth due to the pursing motion Cooper made.

I do not know the yr he had the work done but from the pictures I would say the prothestic was in place by prior to 1976 when I met him.

That prothestice would last until 1990 when it was replace. As I have told before In NEVER saw him with out it.

GUESS what I have sitting on my desk - his OLD prostehic that was remove when they did the replacement! He kept it and it is in a small bottle....I did take it out and examine it and but do not know if anyone else has ever touched it.

Just key in Dental prothesis and titanium and you will find several sites about this.

I never did it before - but Georger and other had harped on the metal and Duane also had a friend who worked in the manufacture of the metal in Denver and Duane himself worked there in the 60's, but of course under an alias at that time. 1962 to 1968 he was JOHN COLLINS and even went to prison under that name in 1966 why Larry Carr refused to make the file available - but I had already been talking to the prison and why Carr made what little he did make available at that time.

My conversations with the state records - I have all of those communication in black and white.
I was told there was NO photos attached to the file at that time.
The woman I was communicating with found this very UNUSUAL
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"SHUTTER FIXED all of that. WHAT is your problem Blevins?"

Shutter didn't fix anything. Shutter controls problems. Galen decided not to play by my rules, so he asked to be removed.

There are no blocks on that forum. people are free to view it. one person who has been banned from there constantly shows up trying to access the site. you know the one that lies saying he looks in on Sunday's! I
also have a rather large set of screenshots of this person who thinks he doesn't stalk people.

Brent Butler, according to Robert is a sock puppet, the funny thing is that he is a top 500 reviewer on Amazon.com. #226 to be exact. a larger majority found his review helpful according to Amazon.com's rating stats.

"Note: For the record, Robert Blevins, one of the listed authors of this book and an officer of "Adventure Books of Seattle", has harassed me over the course of two years following the publication of this review. Not only did he undertake a lengthy program of misinformation in the comment thread under this review, he created an external blog about me. In the blog he takes quotes from my review and the comment thread out of context, offers an extremely slanted account of other comments, and entirely fabricates events concerning the history of the comment thread.

In recent months he has taken to posting harassing comments about me in the Kindle Book Forum here on Amazon, including a link to his libelous blog. Over the course of of 7/14/2012 to 7/16/2012, he posted five lengthy, harassing and abusive comments in the KDF, four of which included links to his blog. In the fifth comment, he'd gotten a bit scared about using the link, and so gave instructions on how to find it with a Google search. He followed up with two other harassing comments which did not include the link."

He obviously has a problem with rejection, and criticism. almost every single post he has made over the last couple months include attacking me, or my forum. he constantly tries to gain access where he doesn't belong.

I have contacted several organizations about his abusive behavior, if I need to, I'm prepared to contact his ISP through regular certified mail showing exactly what he is doing with the services they provide him with! I think it's in his best INTEREST to allow this forum to be used for it sole purpose of discussing DB Cooper, and not dump his off topic garbage on it any further. for some reason he believes he is the moderator here by continuing to breach the rules.

Jo, I didn't like some of the comments made about you so I reacted quickly. other comments are just comments. every forum has them, but some try and take them out of context for vindictive purposes. it's sad that this forum can not function the way it should. I like a lot of people here, but I guess co-existence will have to be from a distance.


Shutter

Edit: I forgot to partially obscure his IP address even though he has publicly shown it....
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Shutter says in part:

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'Shutter didn't fix anything. Shutter controls problems. Galen decided not to play by my rules, so he asked to be removed....'



Robert says: No surprise there. He was caught telling outright lies about the relationship between Skipp Porteous and yours truly, claiming messages and emails that never existed. We've already discussed that at length.

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'There are no blocks on that forum. people are free to view it. one person who has been banned from there constantly shows up trying to access the site. you know the one that lies saying he looks in on Sunday's! I also have a rather large set of screenshots of this person who thinks he doesn't stalk people...'



Robert says: I have dropped by occasionally to see what was being discussed. I know that both you and some of your members often look HERE at Dropzone and then talk about peoples' posts over there. A great deal of them have been about me or about things I am doing in the case. I understand perfectly about not being able to post and I really don't have a problem there. When you started making efforts to block actual VIEWS of what was being posted about me, then I started going around that. It was almost as if you had something to hide. When I went there, I saw posts by Georger and others that were pretty nasty. Yes, Greg the Techie Guy and I SOMETIMES take a look at your site on Sundays if we have a meeting.

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'Brent Butler, according to Robert is a sock puppet, the funny thing is that he is a top 500 reviewer on Amazon.com. #226 to be exact. a larger majority found his review helpful according to Amazon.com's rating stats...'



Robert says: Mr. Butler's reveiw is a RE-POST that was previously deleted by Amazon, and ordered deleted by Sebastian J. Gunningham, senior VP of Seller Services at Amazon. Butler's sockpuppet reference means he thought my friends were posting reviews. Not true, I am strictly against that and once dropped an author we published who did that. I could have had his review deleted again, but I decided to just let it stand. It is so far over-the-top I thought it might be better if people saw it for themselves. I can't believe you are even mentioning him. His original review wasn't even based on the revised edition of the book. He has never seen it. He downloaded an incomplete PDF we made available at AB years ago and used THAT to do a review of the book when it came out in 2010. When we went to the Revised Edition with the updates and the History Channel stuff added, we deleted the original book and his review disappeared. He thought we did this just for HIM, lol. So...he posts up an even NASTIER review without even having read the book. Then Amazon deleted it...AGAIN. Then he did copy-paste somehow, re-posted, and went around Amazon's deletion with more stuff added. That one I finally left alone. It was so lengthy and ridiculous I thought it might be better to leave it. He hasn't received an additional vote on it since he re-posted it two years ago. Most of the votes came from his friends on the Amazon forums, where he is well-known, not from actual customers at Amazon.

In reality, the whole sordid story is covered in this Newsvine article.

You are right about using the Dropzone thread strictly for discussion about the case. That's pretty much what I've been doing lately, updating people on the upcoming DNA test with Lyle Christiansen and the production of our new report. Judging from some of the things I've read at the alternate site, some of your users feel threatened by all that somehow. I have also seen complaints that I am no longer forthcoming on certain information about Christiansen. That's because some of your users will check out HERE what is being said and then take it THERE for discussion...while YOU try to make sure I can't see what they are saying. Then when I DO see it, I see what I expected: Negative crap and unfair personal references. I solved that problem by restricting the release of information. This works for me, and then I no longer have to worry about what is being said behind closed doors. If you had not taken the actions you did, I would have released the new report on KC long ago, as well as the text of the interviews I recently did with Geestman's extended family. Now the situation is at an impasse.

In order to solve this problem, this is what I propose. I will agree to stop looking at your website...and continue my policy of restricting key information to the media or people I trust.


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I'm not going to go through the mess you call reviews on Amazon.com. you argue with everyone about everything trying to make yourself assume no damage.

I have told you in the past, but obviously you need "spoon-fed"

I don't need your documents, hide them, burn them, only show them to "who ever you wish" it doesn't hurt anyone but yourself. one day you claim you removed the shortcut, and the next day it's something else. you even put it on Wiki at one point. I don't need your help on anything. do you understand? I'm not set out to be #1. it was designed to be a place to discuss Cooper, and that's exactly what it does. every forum has things on them that shouldn't be mentioned. this forum is full of them! stop making this the holy grail of perfection. I have a very "non hostile atmosphere"

I handled the problem with Cook just as I would any other person who couldn't post there. so please continue your bashing. it does zip. if anything you probably make people more curious by playing this game. Google has been on it for weeks straight crawling. bingbots as well. you can't stop it. you are trying like hell, but you are pissing in the wind. I haven't advertised it anywhere!

I'm sure once the DNA comes back negative it will not be the end of your journey. we have heard that one far to many times as well. flip flop, flip, flop.

"In order to solve this problem, this is what I propose. I will agree to stop looking at your website"

Just another lie.......
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I'm not going to go through the mess you call reviews on Amazon.com. you argue with everyone about everything trying to make yourself assume no damage.

I have told you in the past, but obviously you need "spoon-fed"

I don't need your documents, hide them, burn them, only show them to "who ever you wish" it doesn't hurt anyone but yourself. one day you claim you removed the shortcut, and the next day it's something else. you even put it on Wiki at one point. I don't need your help on anything. do you understand? I'm not set out to be #1. it was designed to be a place to discuss Cooper, and that's exactly what it does. every forum has things on them that shouldn't be mentioned. this forum is full of them! stop making this the holy grail of perfection. I have a very "non hostile atmosphere"

I handled the problem with Cook just as I would any other person who couldn't post there. so please continue your bashing. it does zip. if anything you probably make people more curious by playing this game. Google has been on it for weeks straight crawling. bingbots as well. you can't stop it. you are trying like hell, but you are pissing in the wind. I haven't advertised it anywhere!

I'm sure once the DNA comes back negative it will not be the end of your journey. we have heard that one far to many times as well. flip flop, flip, flop.

"In order to solve this problem, this is what I propose. I will agree to stop looking at your website"

Just another lie.......



I didn't realize there was a PREVIOUS lie (your reference to 'another'). And this is what I actually said:

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'In order to solve this problem, this is what I propose. I will agree to stop looking at your website...and continue my policy of restricting key information to the media or people I trust.'



I think I can hang with that. I never said your website was 'bad' or 'evil', in fact I have occasionally endorsed it. I just didn't like some of your members going on the attack or lying about me...and then you trying to hide all that from me by blocking views. That is a fact. Since it sounds like you finally got a handle on all that, I no longer have a problem. Stop blaming me for the fuckups people do at YOUR site. We wouldn't even be talking about this if you had addressed Cook's outright lies earlier on.

On a more Cooper-related subject, these are the results of my interview today with Ann Grimes, which I did this afternoon down near Oakville, WA. (Ann and her late husband Joe were the people who sold Kenny Christiansen the Bonney Lake home about seven months after the hijacking)

I didn't get to speak to Ann herself. Unfortunately, I was told she died a few years ago. Her son now lives in the home. We spoke for about an hour. He was unaware of Kenny Christiansen or anything concerning him as it relates to Cooper. (He's heard KC's name, though.) I showed him the mortgage docs and the other one with the mention of the promissory note. I showed him also the payoff on the other half of the mortgage through SeaFirst bank, which Kenny took about 18 years to pay off.

I asked him if he knew anything about the promissory note, specifically...how long it took and in what amounts Kenny paid it off. He does not know, but said his sister (who lives in the adjoining house, it's a large ranch property with horses) would know because she handled everything for their parents for many years. (She was gone for the day)

Then I gave him my contact info and since he had internet, the links to the streaming video at History.com on the Decoded episode, as well as the DB Cooper Info Page at Adventure Books, so he could do some catch up on everything. (I was surprised they had internet. God knows they live out in the middle of frickin' nowhere.)

Comments he made along the way: Said he was VERY interested in the idea that his folks had possibly sold DB Cooper his house. He has heard of Christiansen, but knew nothing about him, or that he had ever been associated with the Cooper case. (Think I said that back there) Said yes...he had heard of Bernie and Margie Geestman but knew little about them. He said his sister would definitely be interested and will go through the family papers looking for any evidence regarding a promissory note against the Bonney Lake home.

I asked him if he thought his folks were the kind of people who, like Seafirst, would be willing to wait 18 years to get paid off thousands of dollars on the home. He said definitely NO to that. He was surprised to read the entire agreement between his folks and Kenny and thought it was suspicious. Virtually nothing down, a promissory note for nearly half the price of the home, and a mortgage on the balance. I suggested to him that perhaps Kenny paid off the (approximately, no one has seen a copy of it yet) $6,500 promissory note in record time, or perhaps all at once a short time after the house closed. He says he and his sister will do their best to find out. I left him all the papers I had brought, including some picture collages, and kept the Google Map to his house. I didn't figure he needed that. :)
In general, he was a real nice person, and very cooperative.

They will be contacting me soon with further information. That's all I know for now.


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1) Robert, you were removed and blocked before anyone said a word about you!

2) A proxy blocker was put in place while you were trying to access the site AFTER the block. it's been removed for months now.

3) You have stated many times that you were not going to that site anymore, in fact you backed it up by stating you removed the shortcut several times in the past. when you continue to do what you said you wasn't going to do they are commonly called lies.

4) Nobody is hiding anything. you were banned for reasons explained numerous times. you are to blame for that, not me, or anyone else.

5) Since Jo is on dial up it runs through a proxy. Jo can see the site just fine, so schools, and libraries fall in the same category with Jo. didn't we already have a school looking at both sites?

6) I addressed Cook several times, more than enough for the average person to stop. I finally put his posts on approval status and he didn't like it.

7) Nobody is stating anything any different than what was, or could be said on this forum about you. Georger called you a dumbass. big deal! oh, he also said you have mental problems. should I ban him, or shoot him?

8) I'm not babysitting my forum waiting for someone to say something bad about you. I allow a certain amount of steam to be released. If the pressure gets to high, I shut the valve off.

9) Hopefully this will now finally sink in about the issues above.

Shutter
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You know what? I don't give a rat's butt about any of that.

I'd be willing to bet that right now (or by tomorrow) people over at your site are discussing my last post here at Dropzone, the one up there about the interview. For some weird reason, you don't want me to see what's being said. And I think the public will find that inherently UNFAIR.

Viewing is NOT posting, or being ALLOWED to post. You hide posts at your website from me (when many of the posts there are ABOUT me, or MY posts at Dropzone)...and I think normal, average people will wonder WHY you do that. In fact, I already know they do because I get messages sometimes about it.

It's defensive as hell, and hints to average, typical folk that you have something to hide. The only reason I went back last week and looked at the site is because some comments there about me were brought to my attention by others. You know...people you haven't yet blocked from viewing, LOL.


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Bullshit Robert!

You constantly brag that you can see the site when ever you wish!

Learn to deal with your mistakes......

Closed Subject.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I want to know what Georger thought about the posts I made - which was actually a repeat version of a post I made yrs ago when the titanium was mentioned...but my post was just a minnow in a small lake of big fish.

It just got Gobbled up.
So NO one had any response the ti being in Dental productions prior to 1971 or the fact that Duane worked with a dentist.

I had actually told all of this YRS ago and Georger swiftly swept it under the rug. WONDER WHY?

Remember I knew about Jerry W before he ever came to this thread as Georger. I knew about the observatory & a visit made there by a group of men supposedly on a hunting trip sponsored by a very wealthy man for a group of individuals.

Well, all of that was quickly swept away......why!

Contacting a company owned by this wealthy man regarding Weber & another associate prior to JW ever showing himself in the thread - I was told I would have to contact JW. it was NOT long after that when Georger made his first appearance in this thread.

I suppose he thought he could keep the reines on me with his Baboon Postings - but that didn't work. He is too old to try to out fox a sassy old lady....or that I would ever know that Georger was JW.
He didn't know Duane had told me about that trip or that the lady in the office had mentioned his real name to me.

His course of action then was to diss me & redirect at first in a kidding way until I called his hand & then he went into an obcessive mode to diss Jo....he wanted to be sure NO one ever made any connections between Duane's past and his good friend out of TX.

Check it out - I mentioned the Dental connection of the Ti way back in the beginning after the sleuths came up with it. Georger didn't expect the Ti connection - his entire demeanor started to change....redirect and dismiss and distract. Go BACK and read the thread - that is when Georger when on the defensive and it was very obviouse to me.

I have actually told all of this before in the thread - but, trying to stay out of trouble or perhaps just stay alive - I was afraid of repercussion and still feel those.

If the FBI checked out JW & his connection to the TX man, they would know why I suspect there has been some manipulation going on by others. But, WHY?

Why was the cord and the knife not relayed to the FBI? Why was the Ti not revealed to the FBI? JW never for one moment thought or knew about Duane's connections to Ti....this was when he started going full circle on Jo.
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RobertMBlevins

You know what? I don't give a rat's butt about any of that.

I'd be willing to bet that right now (or by tomorrow) people over at your site are discussing my last post here at Dropzone, the one up there about the interview. For some weird reason, you don't want me to see what's being said. And I think the public will find that inherently UNFAIR.

Viewing is NOT posting, or being ALLOWED to post. You hide posts at your website from me (when many of the posts there are ABOUT me, or MY posts at Dropzone)...and I think normal, average people will wonder WHY you do that. In fact, I already know they do because I get messages sometimes about it.

It's defensive as hell, and hints to average, typical folk that you have something to hide. The only reason I went back last week and looked at the site is because some comments there about me were brought to my attention by others. You know...people you haven't yet blocked from viewing, LOL.



Shutter says in part:

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'Bullshit Robert!

You constantly brag that you can see the site when ever you wish!

Learn to deal with your mistakes......

Closed Subject.'



Drop a little truth on people and they just fall to pieces sometimes. ;)


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RobertMBlevins

***You know what? I don't give a rat's butt about any of that.

I'd be willing to bet that right now (or by tomorrow) people over at your site are discussing my last post here at Dropzone, the one up there about the interview. For some weird reason, you don't want me to see what's being said. And I think the public will find that inherently UNFAIR.

Viewing is NOT posting, or being ALLOWED to post. You hide posts at your website from me (when many of the posts there are ABOUT me, or MY posts at Dropzone)...and I think normal, average people will wonder WHY you do that. In fact, I already know they do because I get messages sometimes about it.

It's defensive as hell, and hints to average, typical folk that you have something to hide. The only reason I went back last week and looked at the site is because some comments there about me were brought to my attention by others. You know...people you haven't yet blocked from viewing, LOL.



Shutter says in part:

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'Bullshit Robert!

You constantly brag that you can see the site when ever you wish!

Learn to deal with your mistakes......

Closed Subject.'



Drop a little truth on people and they just fall to pieces sometimes. ;)

My name is not 'dude'. I'm plenty grown up, I assure you. :)


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