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As you should know, Jo's writing style is rather confusing both in its content and intentions. Her hatred for the FBI is obvious, but the rest of her writing seems to be revisions of previous posts, both hers and others.

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Not always revisions. Sometimes Jo tosses in brand new facts, like the just revealed twenty with DAN COOPER written on the bill in red.

Withhold, tease, over promise and under-deliver, that's her MO. She withheld Duane's watch from the FBI and then complained about their DNA analysis. She just now reveals the DAN COOPER twenty labeling. It's so counter productive but there's no hope that she will change.

How stupid would it be to inscribe DAN COOPER on an otherwise innocuous twenty if you were indeed Dan Cooper? Duane might actually do something that dumb.

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JO states:

Well, I do NOT hate the FBI, I just feel they dropped the ball & never truely went back to reinvestigated Weber. I believe their decision was made & they did NOT want to back down - but, they also never came to see me or to interview me after the Agent returned the papers he copied in 1998....

Duane died in 1995
I find out who Cooper was in 1996.
I find Himmelsbach in the summer of 1996.
In 1997 before an agent came to see me.

By 1998 they had dismissed Weber - per a letter, based only on prints.

By 2000 I had enough information to say - LOOK AGAIN! This would include military and prison records the FBI claimed DID NOT EXIST.

The additional info was WHY I went public - because the agent was totally misinformed....stating things from a file that were not correct. I was holding proof they had screwed up.

As far as the 20 dollar bill. Who would have believed me? I wasn't going to allow myself to appear anymore naive & foolish than I already felt. Do you think they would have believed me?

As for the watch the FBI did NOT ask for DNA until 2003 and did not test the items until 2007 per the report accidentally left in the box of items they returned to me in 2008 at my request.

So you think I was foolish by not turning a very expensive watch over to them?:| It was also something Duane was proud of and I was NOT going to let go of it

The had the pictures of him wearing the watch. I was told Cooper had NO jewelry on - the FBI did NOT ASK me about a watch.
I am the one who now yrs later has stated that the witnesses would NOT have considered the watch as jewelry....the FBI did not get this.

Everyone assumed jewelry meant a watch - but by 1971 standards a watch WAS NOT considered jewelry. A child was able to wear a watch to school, but not a bracelet or ring or necklace or earrings.

The FBI wasn't talking to me & I trusted Himmelsbach to have enough connections to relay things he & I discussed.

I was trying to let the FBI do its job. Rarely do you get past the mouthpiece to the investigative agent.
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Jo,

Your late stage revelation of the DAN COOPER inscribed twenty is odd to say the least. Why didn't you mention it on Dropzone long long ago? We aren't the FBI. We've heard all sorts of improbable claims you've made. This wouldn't have been any less credible than those ones.

Your selective disclosure does you a HUGE disservice. We NEVER EVER get the whole story from Jo Weber.

Selective disclosure raises the possibility that you withhold info that would eliminate Duane as a Cooper suspect and disclose only evidence that supports your theory.

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Jo,

Your late stage revelation of the DAN COOPER inscribed twenty is odd to say the least. Why didn't you mention it on Dropzone long long ago? We aren't the FBI. We've heard all sorts of improbable claims you've made. This wouldn't have been any less credible than those ones.

Your selective disclosure does you a HUGE disservice. We NEVER EVER get the whole story from Jo Weber.

Selective disclosure raises the possibility that you withhold info that would eliminate Duane as a Cooper suspect and disclose only evidence that supports your theory.

377



I withheld the information about the 20 because NO one would have believed it & I would have gotten flack about it. Now I just don't care- I just want all of it out there - so maybe someday - others will know that I have told the truth.

NOT holding on to things! If I had told the story about the 20 Dollar bill yrs ago, you guys & the media would have slaugtered me.

A 20 that I would never be able to prove I had. I know I gave it to the clerk at the Ramada Inn when I paid my bill. I sat there sipping on my toasted almond playing with the 20 making a ring out of it. The man sitting next to me started doing the same thing. Just useless chatter - it was a twenty with a name written on it - a name that did not mean anything to me.

I was trying to escape the past and move on - I was not dwelling in the past - not until I found out who DAN COOPER was. I wish I had never learned who Dan Cooper was then perhaps I would have had a chance to lead a normal life - not one consumed with the knowledge I have of an old crime NO ONE but me wants solved.

NONE of you can possibly know how frustrating & consuming it is to know you have told the truth and yet, the world has been convinced you are creating a fantasy as JT put it. I have made mistakes, but I have NOT lied & I have got off track....yes, and every once in awhile I had a little fun with a tease or two or more.

If I go any further I will be bawling my eyes out - but I do that often now. I am staring at my fate in the mirror watching as the image becomes old and tired and haggared - knowing what is around the corner....and knowing what people think of me.

I failed - I didn't listen enough and I just didn't get it. JUST a dumb stupid broad. Damn! I had to have been one naive broad to have been married to him for 18 yrs accepting and naive.

Duane had faults - but, NOW I know what those faults were and I know why he reacted in a secretive way.

If I had known he was in that many prisons - I would never have married him...I always wondered about the nightmare - but he explained it away and I did NOT dwelled on it.

Duane was impotent and lousy in the bed - but he had a great sunny personality and good manners and everyone who met him loved him - he didn't make enemies.

He made me feel protected and cherished. He was handsome in a rugged kind of way - he polished up just fine!

He was proud of what he became and had I have known his past - I would have been even more proud for him.

I have done all I could do to tell the story I was intended to tell & I truely believe he chose me to tell his story....but he knew if he told me before it was time to say goodbye - that I would have left him standing alone to face his fate & he would have died in a prison.

Duane never fully trusted - he was always aware of his surrounding and his eyes would roam around the room for a familiar face. He did this at a restuarant we went to in Va.Bch....I was aware of this habit in other places but that night it was REALLY obviouse.

He knew me well - he just ran out of time and I didn't understand what he was telling me & showing me & what he tried to tell me, but death slipped upon him before he could explain it to me or to show me what I needed to take to the FBI....I also believe he was protecting someone or others.

His sister tried to tell me what I would need to know - I will not forget our last desperate phone conversation before her son took her to the lower mid west to live out her days.

She had a son who is retired military and his mother was the brother of Dan Cooper...maybe he was afraid it would reflect on his position and maybe his mother never told him. He had two brothers or half brother who died before their mother died...I do not know if he was a product of her first marriage or second marriage.

The first one was a Roach, but that is all I know. He was military with a special kind of training and wanted Duane to work with him...per the brief story Duane told me about him.

She left him - or he died - I never asked & did not really know much about her past. I believe there might have been a third marriage, later in life- but I never thought it important to remember these things.
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Jo,
Your selective disclosure does you a HUGE disservice. We NEVER EVER get the whole story from Jo Weber.

Selective disclosure raises the possibility that you withhold info that would eliminate Duane as a Cooper suspect and disclose only evidence that supports your theory.

377



What I have withheld was in my judgement things that would have made it sound like I was making things up - such as WHY I never talked about the 20 with Dan Cooper written in red...Maybe it was part of the ransom and maybe it was put there as a joke....whatever! I didn't get the joke or the message.
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I am requesting that Kenny Christiansen's brother purchase himself one of those DNA tests and get his complete profile, to include that in the new report on Kenny.

This is what I know about the current DNA profile held by the FBI: I spoke on the telephone with Seattle FBI agent Fred Gutt. And before he called me, he said he had consulted about my question with the current case agent. Before you read the list, you should know that I know nothing more than the very basic stuff concerning DNA testing. I am NOT a DNA expert by any means. That said, this is what Gutt told me:

1) The profile is a 'partial' profile, not a complete DNA profile.

2) The sample (profile) cannot be absolutely matched to a specific suspect.

3) The profile CAN eliminate a suspect from contention, if a full profile of a particular suspect is submitted, or a profile from a close family member.

I will admit I probably should have gotten off my lazy ass and requested this from Lyle Christiansen a LONG time ago. Yes, that is my fault. But it wasn't until a year or so ago that I found out you can get your own DNA profile very easily by ordering a kit and following the enclosed instructions.

To JO: No more excuses. By hook or by crook, if Duane has a brother, sister, mother, father, or child of his own still alive, you need their profile to submit to the Seattle FBI. No half-brother, half-sister stuff. A close, full-blood relative.

Gutt also told me that there is no budget anymore for Cooper, and I mean zero unless something really good comes up. He told me the Minneapolis FBI never ran the original DNA sample that their agents obtained from Lyle years ago, and he didn't know if it still existed. So...another one must be done. Since the FBI is unwilling to pay for any tests, this must be done by an outside person who will pay for it. You need this to be done. (EDIT: I said it was around a hundred bucks. Truth is I don't know for sure, but I will check on it. I know Lyle will pay for this, even if it is twenty times that much.)

I know Lyle has the money to do this, and I will be speaking to him about it in the next few days. Might as well find out whether we are right about Kenny, and according to Agent Gutt this is the best way. Before I submit our final report on Kenny to them, I will VERIFY the Seattle FBI's previous information given to me regarding the partial profile now in their possession. This seems like the most fair approach to the Kenny thing and I can live with the results, positive or negative. The only thing I will ask if they say 'negative' on the comparison is to explain to me the process they used to determine that negativity, as it relates to any DNA comparison. If it sounds reasonably valid, I will accept their determination.

It's better to know the truth and be wrong about something than to not know at all. So...we will include Lyle's complete DNA profile in our new report to the Seattle FBI and see what happens.

And I don't mean to sound like a butthead about it, but I've decided that the updated report on Kenny Christiansen will NOT be made public. And no new information will be released about him by us, only possibly the media. One of the reasons for my decision is trust. Since some of you don't seem to trust me, I have decided to extend the same courtesy. My apologies, but that's the way it is. I will, however...let you know what the Seattle FBI's response is to the report.


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Sorry to disappoint you but I don't get hot under the collar. I just make it a point to get even.

What truths? I don't remember seeing any truths in your posts.

Robert99



Well, you just read some & they made you really angry. Sound like you are the one with an anger issue - so tell us what areas you have lived in and worked!

What makes you such an expert and why are you trying to dismiss Mr. H and the co-pilot and the story they told for yrs? Why are you trying to twist the truths with the flight path? What is your motive?

You have taken a group of men and convinced them that a lie is the truth & the truth is a lie....you are very skilled at doing that.

But, I like others here have read the other accountings - and those early & original accountings mean more than any of the hype you & others can create.

You are just a bored old man with an agenda and a motive. You relish using others & proving you can manipulate how they think. Me thinks you were trained to use those methods - you sound like an interogator whose motive is not on the side proving the truths.

You aren't getting even with anyone - you are leading them and you can't stand it when the voice of logic exceeds your intellectual mumbo jumb interpretations and scrambles.

The flight path has now become scrambled eggs - if everyone agrees with you!

I believe what the FBI released in 1971 & 1972 and what Mr. Himmelsbach and the Co-pilot and the engineer and the pilot said - remember I actually talked to ALL of them. Anyone that was still alive and I was able to access....I picked up the phone and called them.

Of course I didn't know the technical terms and the conversations were dumbed down for a woman.

One individual from above I called the widow to offer my condolences and how much the conversation with her husband had meant to me. As he said and she said - he really "didn't like to talk about it" - but, he made an acception for me.

HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF WHY? Perhaps being kind or perhaps feeling I needed answers.

Perhaps because he thought Weber was Cooper.
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To JO: No more excuses. By hook or by crook, if Duane has a brother, sister, mother, father, or child of his own still alive, you need their profile to submit to the Seattle FBI. No half-brother, half-sister stuff. A close, full-blood relative.



Duane has NO living relatives.
There is a possible son out there, but it was unverifiable. The Daughter is deceased...if the one I found was her.

His sister had 3 kid and only one of those is alive - he is the Roach.

The brother had NO children of his own.

The family tree died off.
I have his cremains but I understand the are not viable DNA although there are very very large pieces of him in there. When My last husband was cremated there was hardly anything left.....1995 versus 2008 & the equipment used.

I believe they could get DNA out of the watch band....all I have left. Has been handled by myself and others.
The other watch I clean up with que tips & alcohol in the grooves of the band.

Remember there is only particial dna on the tie and that tie may not have been Coopers. The mail in dna's are NOT really very good - because it is not the detailed DNA the FBI needs.

During my search I had reason to make a serious enquiry about the DNA tests.

The mail in test is not the same tests the FBI would use....ask Vickie about this - she would know.
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Probably will not go with the mail-in test, but a full profile done by a professional organization that specializes in profiling. I have already sent the message on this to Lyle Christiansen, i.e. we need this submitted with our final report on Kenny. He has not yet seen this report, but if I get the profile from him, I may send him a print copy of the report with an enclosed confidentiality agreement, just not the PDF. I trust Lyle, but I don't want to provide the opportunity for him to accidentally release it via email or the internet. It contains a lot of personal info on people and really should NOT be made public.

Admittedly, this is a carrot I am holding out to him in order to convince him his money will be well spent. Might as well find out. Personally, I'm pretty tired of chasing this stuff on Kenny. Either he was Cooper or he wasn't. I have absolutely no problem in finding out for sure, even if it doesn't pan out. At some point you just have to roll the dice and find out. I figure if Kenny is NOT eliminated by comparing the profiles, the Seattle FBI might decide to start looking for Margie Geestman, Bernie Geestman, maybe even Helen Jones and her daughter...and ask them a few pointed questions. ;)

Non-Cooper: Recently I bought a 1965 Panasonic radio from our local Goodwill and restored the thing and shined it up like new. AM/FM, shortwave and marine bands. Everything works right down to the push-button light. External AM antenna jack is always a nice touch. Means you can plug into it with the proper jack attached to a roll of copper wire, toss it over a tree and get sports while camping no matter where you are. It works perfectly all functions, and looks much better than the stock photo I attached. Believe it or not, it weighs ten pounds or more and has Stereo In, AM External antenna, Earth, MPX Out, Phono, and Earphone jacks. Close to six inches in depth and HEAVY-ASS THING for sure. Two speakers inside, not just one. One larger bass speaker, one smaller treble. Way too cool. Cost me ten bucks before the restoration, and the restoration was minimal. Radio Shack matched me up with the jacks for the external AM and the 'Earth' plug. The other four are standard 1/8" audio plugs. :)
Can't wait to try it on my next camping trip for a Seattle Seahawks game. That would be not THIS weekend, but NEXT. :)
Don't begrudge me this. I need a vacation for sure, even if it is only a few days.

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'In addition, KC was not Cooper as RobertMBlevins has claimed in perpetuity. And the recent indications from Blevins that he is not really interested in KC anymore suggests that Hollywood is not interested in Blevins screen play on the subject.

At times, life can be a bitch...'



Of course. And other times it can be quite good. I never claimed that Kenny Christiansen was definitely DB Cooper. Don't know where you got that, although yes, I sometimes suspect he *may* have been. The jury is still out on that one. As far as the screenplay, it hasn't been submitted to my AAR agent yet, so I wouldn't know about anything Hollywood. :S

You are a laugh a minute for sure, I will give you that. Is this a part of your 'I get even on people' program, or something else? :)


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I jumped with Don at WFFC. Impressive guy. Owns a large fleet of operational Eastern Bloc fighters including MIG 29s! Makes money from Navy contracts impersonating bad guys with hot planes.

From Wired article: http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/13.10/kirlin.html

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Once he sets his mind to a goal, he's relentless. He soloed his first plane at 16, instructed at 18, and began flying corporate jets three years later. He flew in the Navy, got twin bachelor degrees in business and clinical psychology, and then an MBA, all from the University of Northern Colorado, and moved on to US Airways. In 1993, he asked the FAA to let him parachute from the rear stairway of a Boeing 727, like the infamous skyjacker D. B. Cooper, who disappeared over the Cascades with $200,000 in 1971. Kirlin shrugs his shoulders and grins. "I just wanted to do it because the only other person to do it was Cooper," he says. The FAA said no, unless he could prove unequivocally it was safe. A year later, he presented 6,500 pages of documents to the agency. He remains to this day the only person authorized to operate jumps out of the rear door of a 727.



I bet Don knows a LOT about Boeing's pre-Cooper 727 stair down flight tests. Wonder if Sheridan Peterson ever laid eyes on any of those 6500 pages?

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Non-Cooper: Recently I bought a 1965 Panasonic radio from our local Goodwill and restored the thing and shined it up like new. AM/FM, shortwave and marine bands. Everything works right down to the push-button light. External AM antenna jack is always a nice touch. Means you can plug into it with the proper jack attached to a roll of copper wire, toss it over a tree and get sports while camping no matter where you are. It works perfectly all functions, and looks much better than the stock photo I attached. Believe it or not, it weighs ten pounds or more and has Stereo In, AM External antenna, Earth, MPX Out, Phono, and Earphone jacks. Close to six inches in depth and HEAVY-ASS THING for sure. Two speakers inside, not just one. One larger bass speaker, one smaller treble. Way too cool. Cost me ten bucks before the restoration, and the restoration was minimal. Radio Shack matched me up with the jacks for the external AM and the 'Earth' plug. The other four are standard 1/8" audio plugs. Smile



The radio bug bites yet another forum member. Good catch Robert. Those old analog transistor sets are classics and good performers. No synthesizer or processor noise to interfere with the reception of weak stations. Good DX:)
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Yeah. I'm taking it camping next weekend. Do we have any Homicide Hunter fans here? If they turned over the Earl Cossey case to this guy (Lt. Joe Kenda) I think it would be solved already. I Tweeted him to ask if he would be willing to look at the case file if offered.

I think I mentioned previously that the local Feds have recently expressed a certain displeasure with the handling of Major Cases by the King County Sheriffs' Dept. It was on the local TV news. Hmm...

Kenda appears as himself in the show, going over real cases he's solved out of Colorado Springs. He's known for his 'Kenda-isms', like this one:

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"If this suspect is looking for sympathy, he should try a dictionary. He can find it there between shit and syphilis..."



EDIT: Excerpt from an interview of Kenda by Pete Crooks, a contributor for Diablo Magazine: (Drawn under Fair Use rules)

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Pete: Looking back on your remarkable track record, why were you the one who was able to solve all these cases? What are the skills that a successful homicide investigator needs to have, to be able to deal with these incredibly demanding cases?

KENDA: In general, you need to have a knowledge of the law—you need to know what you can do and, more important, what you can not do while conducting an investigation.

And, just as important—you need to be naturally curious. You need to have an undying curiosity about every case. Where guys make mistakes is forming an opinion on the way to the crime scene. I never did that.

Let's say you show up at the crime scene and there is a blonde woman lying face down with six bullets through the chest. You need to ask every possible question to figure out why this blonde is lying here dead. Is she dead because her husband got tired of the way she butters her toast every morning for 25 years? Or, is she dead because someone out there thinks all blondes are she-devils who need to pay. And you ask every question in between.

Then, you need to get to know the victim. Who is this person? Who is the victim? Tell me about the victim. Do they have a secret life?

So, you start to poke. You start to probe. And even when you’re in the dark, and you’re not sure where you're going, when you keep poking, and someone says ouch ... well now. Who might you be?



Tell me this guy shouldn't be allowed access to the Earl Cossey murder file, as a professional courtesy. He has an amazing 92% success rate working on almost 400 homicides in his career. I don't think the King County Sheriffs' Office has a clue about the case. Kenda has often said that there are usually three motives for murder. Money, sex, or revenge. Since the KCSO and the Woodinville Police Chief already admitted in a town meeting last year that items were missing from Cossey's home, I would put the motive at MONEY.

Update: Brother, do I have nerve or what? I emailed the King County Sheriffs' Department earlier today. I asked them if they had checked burglaries in Cossey's neighborhood just previous to his murder. Guess what? I did this last year and found three of them. One was shortly before he was killed, and less than two blocks from his house. (Checked burglary reports at the local online paper, the Woodinville Patch) I asked KCSO if they had checked on that...and maybe they should let Kenda have a look at the current case file.

Let's face it. They haven't done a damn thing on the Cossey case that I can see. A nice old guy gets beaten to death in his own garage and more than a year later no one has a clue. :S It's probably too late for this, but last year I thought the cops should have checked all the security video at the casino where Cossey gambled and check all the faces at the tables where he hung out. I wonder sometimes if they even thought of that. No surprise the Feds think KCSO is a lame-o entity for Major Cases.


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Jo,

Selective disclosure raises the possibility that you withhold info that would eliminate Duane as a Cooper suspect and disclose only evidence that supports your theory.

377



I am not being selective - I just say what I think. I tell about the things I believe might prove Duane was Cooper and I also talk about things others do not believe. Truth is often far more difficult than developing a fantasy.

I have NO reason to hide anything and I just tell what I know. Since the important things will never be investigated and the FBI has a pre-plan of Cooper, nothing I tell will sway them.

At one time I posted a picture of a female pilot standing beside her plane, but she was older and her hair was gray. The news carried other pictures of this woman because she died at the age of 88 in her sleep.

She studied aeronautical enginnering at Ohio State University. Geraldine "Jerrie" Mock but they never give he maiden name or the names of her children. She was 2 yrs younger than Duane.

Just trivival and a change of pace.

Good Night.
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Jo,

You ARE being selective despite your protestation. We've seen numerous examples. Lord knows what you may still be holding back.

There are two kinds of evidence production. Full disclosure and selective partial disclosure. US law requires the first in a criminal prosecution.

If a defendant can show that material evidence was withheld, a conviction can be overturned.

The point is to let a trier of fact (e.g. a jury) see ALL the evidence, not just what the prosecution decides they should see. It's all about the Constitutional right to a fair trial.

Your claims that the twenty with Dan Cooper inscribed would not be credible therefore you concealed it rings hollow. It's no less credible and no less scorn-worthy than Duane's death bed confession, his possession of parachute hardware, his NORJACK airline ticket, his PDX parking stub, his alleged contacts or involvement with Lee Harvey Oswsald, David Ferrie, James Earl Ray, JFK, RFK, MLK etc.

Since the inscribed bill would tend to corroborate his deathbed words "I'm Dan Cooper" it is very puzzling that you'd conceal it for years.

Your explanation for hiding this alleged twenty is just not convincing.
Also, how stupid would it be to brand an otherwise innocuous twenty with the name of the notorious thief who stole it? If Duane were arrested and booked (a VERY predictable occurrence) and this twenty was logged in, it sure might have triggered a serial number lookup. Was Duane that stupid? Might as well have tattooed ARREST ME on his forehead.


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At one time I posted a picture of a female pilot standing beside her plane, but she was older and her hair was gray. The news carried other pictures of this woman because she died at the age of 88 in her sleep.

She studied aeronautical enginnering at Ohio State University. Geraldine "Jerrie" Mock but they never give he maiden name or the names of her children. She was 2 yrs younger than Duane.



Jo, Jerrie Mock's death earlier this week did not have anything to do with Duane Weber, so don't waste your time fabricating a story trying to connect the two. It won't work.

The newspaper articles on her death that I have seen did not give her maiden name, which was Jerrie Cobb, but did list the surname (which was not Mock) of her grandchild who announced her death.

The lady was an accomplished pilot and underwent the same tests that males underwent to become astronauts. However, females were not permitted to become astronauts at that time. Later, a number of females commanded space shuttle missions as well as serving in other capacities during shuttle missions.

Robert99

EDIT: The second paragraph of my reply above has been corrected, based on information posted by Blevins below, to show that Jerrie Mock was probably her married name and Jerrie Cobb was probably her maiden name.

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At one time I posted a picture of a female pilot standing beside her plane, but she was older and her hair was gray. The news carried other pictures of this woman because she died at the age of 88 in her sleep.

She studied aeronautical enginnering at Ohio State University. Geraldine "Jerrie" Mock but they never give he maiden name or the names of her children. She was 2 yrs younger than Duane.



Jo, Jerrie Mock's death earlier this week did not have anything to do with Duane Weber, so don't waste your time fabricating a story trying to connect the two. It won't work.

The newspaper articles on her death that I have seen did not give her married name ("Mock" is her maiden name) but did list the surname of her grandchild who announced her death.

The lady was an accomplished pilot and underwent the same tests that males underwent to become astronauts. However, females were not permitted to become astronauts at that time. Later, a number of females commanded space shuttle missions as well as serving in other capacities during shuttle missions.

Robert99

I have to agree. I seriously doubt any of the 'Mercury 13' lady astronauts were involved in the DB Cooper case...or ever heard of Duane Weber. :S

These ladies are mentioned in my illustrated article, The Fifteen Greatest Women in Space and Aeronautics.

EDIT: I don't believe Jerrie Mock was actually part of the Merc 13 program. You might be confusing her for Jerrie COBB. This is the current list according to Wiki:

Myrtle Cagle
Jerrie Cobb
Janet Dietrich
Marion Dietrich
Wally Funk
Sarah Gorelick (later Ratley)
Janey Hart (née Briggs)
Jean Hixson
Rhea Hurrle (later Allison, then Woltman)
Gene Nora Stumbough (later Jessen)
Irene Leverton
Jerri Sloan (née Hamilton, later Truhill)
Bernice Steadman (née Trimble)

Excerpt from a description of some of the tests, many of them done at the famous Lovelace Clinic:

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'Tests ranged from the typical X-ray and general body physicals to the atypical, in which the women had to swallow a rubber tube so their stomach acids could be tested. Doctors tested the reflexes in the ulnar nerve of the woman's forearms using electric shock. To induce vertigo, ice water was shot into their ears, freezing the inner ear so doctors could time how quickly they recovered. The women were pushed to exhaustion using specially weighted stationary bicycles to test their respiration. They subjected themselves to many more invasive and uncomfortable tests...'



Oh, joy.


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EDIT: I don't believe Jerrie Mock was actually part of the Merc 13 program. You might be confusing her for Jerrie COBB. This is the current list according to Wiki:

Myrtle Cagle
Jerrie Cobb
Janet Dietrich
Marion Dietrich
Wally Funk
Sarah Gorelick (later Ratley)
Janey Hart (née Briggs)
Jean Hixson
Rhea Hurrle (later Allison, then Woltman)
Gene Nora Stumbough (later Jessen)
Irene Leverton
Jerri Sloan (née Hamilton, later Truhill)
Bernice Steadman (née Trimble).



Blevins, I think you are right about the names. Jerrie Cobb was probably the maiden name of Jerrie Mock. The surname of the grandchild that announced her death was not Mock.

I'll see if I can correct my reply to Jo Weber's original post about Jerrie Mock.

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Yeah. I'm taking it camping next weekend. Do we have any Homicide Hunter fans here? If they turned over the Earl Cossey case to this guy (Lt. Joe Kenda) I think it would be solved already. I Tweeted him to ask if he would be willing to look at the case file if offered.

I think I mentioned previously that the local Feds have recently expressed a certain displeasure with the handling of Major Cases by the King County Sheriffs' Dept. It was on the local TV news. Hmm...

Kenda appears as himself in the show, going over real cases he's solved out of Colorado Springs. He's known for his 'Kenda-isms', like this one:

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"If this suspect is looking for sympathy, he should try a dictionary. He can find it there between shit and syphilis..."



EDIT: Excerpt from an interview of Kenda by Pete Crooks, a contributor for Diablo Magazine: (Drawn under Fair Use rules)

***Pete: Looking back on your remarkable track record, why were you the one who was able to solve all these cases? What are the skills that a successful homicide investigator needs to have, to be able to deal with these incredibly demanding cases?

KENDA: In general, you need to have a knowledge of the law—you need to know what you can do and, more important, what you can not do while conducting an investigation.

And, just as important—you need to be naturally curious. You need to have an undying curiosity about every case. Where guys make mistakes is forming an opinion on the way to the crime scene. I never did that.

Let's say you show up at the crime scene and there is a blonde woman lying face down with six bullets through the chest. You need to ask every possible question to figure out why this blonde is lying here dead. Is she dead because her husband got tired of the way she butters her toast every morning for 25 years? Or, is she dead because someone out there thinks all blondes are she-devils who need to pay. And you ask every question in between.

Then, you need to get to know the victim. Who is this person? Who is the victim? Tell me about the victim. Do they have a secret life?

So, you start to poke. You start to probe. And even when you’re in the dark, and you’re not sure where you're going, when you keep poking, and someone says ouch ... well now. Who might you be?


Tell me this guy shouldn't be allowed access to the Earl Cossey murder file, as a professional courtesy. He has an amazing 92% success rate working on almost 400 homicides in his career. I don't think the King County Sheriffs' Office has a clue about the case. Kenda has often said that there are usually three motives for murder. Money, sex, or revenge. Since the KCSO and the Woodinville Police Chief already admitted in a town meeting last year that items were missing from Cossey's home, I would put the motive at MONEY.

Update: Brother, do I have nerve or what? I emailed the King County Sheriffs' Department earlier today. I asked them if they had checked burglaries in Cossey's neighborhood just previous to his murder. Guess what? I did this last year and found three of them. One was shortly before he was killed, and less than two blocks from his house. (Checked burglary reports at the local online paper, the Woodinville Patch) I asked KCSO if they had checked on that...and maybe they should let Kenda have a look at the current case file.

Let's face it. They haven't done a damn thing on the Cossey case that I can see. A nice old guy gets beaten to death in his own garage and more than a year later no one has a clue. :S It's probably too late for this, but last year I thought the cops should have checked all the security video at the casino where Cossey gambled and check all the faces at the tables where he hung out. I wonder sometimes if they even thought of that. No surprise the Feds think KCSO is a lame-o entity for Major Cases.

You should choose a weekend other than next weekend if you want to enjoy your new radio. You will find no joy in listening to the Cowboys spank that ass!

Also, welcome back to DZ and the Cooper Biz!
"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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Actually...that was more of the Cossey Biz. I don't think Cossey's murder had anything to do with DB Cooper.

Seattle TV news ran with a story a few weeks ago. They said the local Feds criticized how the King County Sheriffs' Department has been handling what they call 'Major Cases,' as in the Major Case Squad, etc.

Guess which department is handling the Cossey murder, and which squad was assigned to it. I thought it was pathetic when KCSO appealed to the public for help...and then refused to give a single detail the public could use, such as maybe a partial list of the items taken from Cossey's home.

Every time the Cowboys play the Hawks its usually a good game. Unfortunately, the Cowboys have to visit Seattle this time. Seventeen out of the last eighteen visitors have been sent packing with their tails between their legs. Might even be more than that. It gets so loud at Century Link that sometimes the hearing support groups offer you free earplugs as you walk through the gates. No...I think camping and listening to Cowboys that particular Sunday is a pretty good bet. :)
My prediction is Hawks 30, Cowboys 17.



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Robert, if you really want to hear what loud sounds like, over a hundred thousand strong in Neyland Stadium tomorrow when my Vols beat up on the Gators. Nothing in the NFL can touch it.

I do wish the Cossey case would get solved, to quiet the conspiracy theorists, and to give the family closure as well.
"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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Jo, I have never met Bruce and I didn't travel from Texas to Washington. But I have been to WA twice on this matter. Nothing beats going to the scene of the crime to do some research.




:oYou are right - that was Homid I believe so just where do you live?

. . . . .

You really got hot under the collar really fast....did I hit a nerve with the truths?


Jo, You will have to guess again. It wasn't Hominid.

I live on the planet Earth. Which planet do you live on? Just remember that Pluto is no longer called a planet.

Sorry to disappoint you but I don't get hot under the collar. I just make it a point to get even.

What truths? I don't remember seeing any truths in your posts.

Robert99

Understand that the photo's I see are on this thread - and if they are too large I can't view them. There was a man on the river with Bruce, but I do not remember which of you characters it was.

So who was that picture of? I don't know it was unimportant to me.
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Robert, if you really want to hear what loud sounds like, over a hundred thousand strong in Neyland Stadium tomorrow when my Vols beat up on the Gators. Nothing in the NFL can touch it.

I do wish the Cossey case would get solved, to quiet the conspiracy theorists, and to give the family closure as well.



OMG. Yes, I have heard of that stadium. Didn't know it held THAT many. Not a Gator fan here, either.


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Jo,
Your claims that the twenty with Dan Cooper inscribed would not be credible therefore you concealed it rings hollow. It's no less credible and no less scorn-worthy than Duane's death bed confession, his possession of parachute hardware, his NORJACK airline ticket, his PDX parking stub, his alleged contacts or involvement with Lee Harvey Oswsald, David Ferrie, James Earl Ray, JFK, RFK, MLK etc.

Since the inscribed bill would tend to corroborate his deathbed words "I'm Dan Cooper" it is very puzzling that you'd conceal it for years.

Your explanation for hiding this alleged twenty is just not convincing.
Also, how stupid would it be to brand an otherwise innocuous twenty with the name of the notorious thief who stole it? If Duane were arrested and booked (a VERY predictable occurrence) and this twenty was logged in, it sure might have triggered a serial number lookup. Was Duane that stupid? Might as well have tattooed ARREST ME on his forehead.


377



377 you are an attorney I cannot believe you are totally scrambling this out of proportion.

The confession was a few days before he died.

The 20 found in the bank was several months later.

I didn't know that D.B. Cooper had given the name of Dan Cooper until One yr and 2 month after Duane died.

I felt if I told about the 20 it would be denounced as is being done. I only related the fact at this stage as I want everything I know to be stated....and the results is exactly what I expected.

I had NO exposure to the criminal world or to others who lie for a profession...other than a 17 yr marriage to a man who was smart enough to HIDE his life from me....that took a few skills - did it not?

I guess not if the woman is a BIMBO in capital letters!

What I do have is my recall ability and as for not knowning who Robt 99 is or remembering his picture - I have NO reason to do so.

Most of his postings have been pure hype - and his take on the flight path as I understand what he is saying - is the total opposite of what the FBI, Himmelsback, the co-pilot, the pilot and searchers to include the authorities & others have contended for yrs...individual who were there or on the plane. I spoke to many of the above and I have emails and have read the books (a book is just a book and a conglomeration of memories - actual truths or made up). The first hand accountings are what is the most important as meager as they maybe....and as insignificant as some of you make them....just to TOOT your abilities which is not first person, but after the fact in the events.

Why would the "witnesses and other involved in the process - distort the fact?" They did - all 5 of them say basically the same thing. Now 43 yrs later - they have supposedly changed their stories, but I did NOT hear those changes from the individuals I speak of.

The changes are made by "others" either to serve their own agenda or to write a book or just to be heard.
These writers are just wannabes or someone looking for the answers.

D.B.Cooper like all of the other mysteries of the past - the 50's, 60's & 70's will be altered by others for generation to satisfy some weird self-serving agenda.

Duane was not worried about having one of the 20's after he retrived his souvenirs from their hiding place - he was on the kidney machine & he knew is days were numbered. He was a keeper of secrets - think about all of the things he hid from me over the 18 yrs I knew him....

He also knew I checked that bank once a yr - to see how much we had put in it. The bank was the image of our dog Symba.

Remember Duane when we buried Symba a few months before Duane died...I thought he put something in the casket with Symba...He was alone with him in the garage for several minutes and he had a plastic pill bottle which he told me was something he wanted Symba to have.

This is why I searched so hard to find Symba's grave and then when we did it smelled gross...all mushy.
Symba had been wrapped in plastic (I assume Duane did this ) and then put in to the durable storage container of HIGH impact plastic. He was buried 5 feet down.

None of us could stand the smell, but it was 6 yrs after Symba had died and his body was still decomposing....I could not afford nor did I know who to take him to see what was in there with him - he was soupy.

We just put him back in the ground. Now I will dream about this eye Closing nose holding event all nigth.

You know I can't do this anymore.
I have done all I can do and no one will ever believe the truths - they rather live with their fantasy.

Cooper died during the jump.
Cooper was X, Y or Z individuals.
All of you will make Cooper whatever your mind conceives or believes...

I was married to Duane L. Weber for many yrs - and I know what he was capable of - not just the dumb crook who always got caught.

He kept his past as secret from me for 18 yrs - so you think he wasn't capable of committing the perfect crime? It is easier for you guys to believe I was a dumb bimbo rather than to believe that Weber was pretty damn good at concealing his past and his life.

If he was not wanted for a crime - why did he continue to conceal his life and his background from me and from his friends?

Why the hell confessed to this one old crime before he died?

Why tell me about his life over an 18 yrs period of time in the third person?

Why confess when it was too late for anyone to do anything about it?

He died a free man! He didn't die in prison.

He was a man with true feelings for others - and a good best friend to many - and a man who would take the shirt off his back for someone else. He was giving, grateful and loving.

He was also a sad man - a man who had to keep secrets! He was very skillful in keeping those secrets - by telling about himself in the 3rd person.
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Understand that the photo's I see are on this thread - and if they are too large I can't view them. There was a man on the river with Bruce, but I do not remember which of you characters it was.

So who was that picture of? I don't know it was unimportant to me.



Jo, I can't state one way or the other if Bruce has ever been on the river. I have been to Tina Bar with another individual but you did not name him.

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EDIT: I don't believe Jerrie Mock was actually part of the Merc 13 program. You might be confusing her for Jerrie COBB. This is the current list according to Wiki:

Myrtle Cagle
Jerrie Cobb
Janet Dietrich
Marion Dietrich
Wally Funk
Sarah Gorelick (later Ratley)
Janey Hart (née Briggs)
Jean Hixson
Rhea Hurrle (later Allison, then Woltman)
Gene Nora Stumbough (later Jessen)
Irene Leverton
Jerri Sloan (née Hamilton, later Truhill)
Bernice Steadman (née Trimble).



Blevins, I think you are right about the names. Jerrie Cobb was probably the maiden name of Jerrie Mock. The surname of the grandchild that announced her death was not Mock.

I'll see if I can correct my reply to Jo Weber's original post about Jerrie Mock.

Robert99

:)
Why this was on the OBITUARY page in Pensacola Fl I do not know.

Jerrie Mock was her name at the time of her death. Her grandson was Chris Flocken. She is labeled as a HISTORIC AVIATOR. She died in Quincy, Fl.

AS USUAL, Robt 99 you are the first to speak and you were wrong.
The obituary mentions nothing about a space program or testing for such.

There is a picture taken April 16, 1964 as she departed from the Oakland Airport in CA.

Duane had family connections in Oakland! Probably just a co-incidence and Duane told me back in the 80's when she was featured in another article that he knew her.

It meant zero then and it means zero now - just a fact of life, but watch you Robt99 try to make something out of it.
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