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I have also told another story about how Duane expressed himself.

This was at a company meeting.
They announce that the agents would have to call on the leads in person and not by phone to make an appointment.

They wanted to know what the agents thought.

Duane goes to the front of the room Turns his Rear end to the other agents and/or the directors and said:

"This is what I think about it"

Then he farted. How he could have managed a fart at the right time to me was comical.

Several years later with this same company he won a coveted award - Manager of the yr. This award was presented in St.Coix and the president and vice president of this company told the story when they announced the person who was to receive the award.

I didn't know they were talking about Duane until they went further with their story mentioning his other accomplishments!

Duane was going out on disability due to his polycystic kidney disease. I was with him in St.Coix

He didn't know he had won the award until he heard the part about the "FART".

He took no credit for the award, but instead focused on his agents and that they were the ones who should have been there - not him.

He was like that - aways giving someone else the credit - always praising them. Duane was really a great guy and the only person to ever tell me anything negative about him was an ex-wife (1972 to 1976) who hated his guts. She told me Duane was a dangerous man.

Duane had an even temperment and the only times I ever saw this other side of him was when he first started on the kidney machine.

As he adjusted to the fact that his life depended on that machine - he was back to being himself...a period of about 6 wks.

The kidney machine in 1990 required several hour 2 & 3 times a week sitting in a chair while the machine removed the chemicals from his blood. Now they have improved this and it can be done at home as they sleep.
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This may be one of my best posts to this thread. Drop a little truth on people and they just freak out. ;)

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Since thus far there have been zero confirmed suspicions as to his "qualifications", just like the KC suspect. If my Patrol, or CID, LT handed me this case, I would have moved on from those two long ago, they aren't viable suspects.

Matt



Look, Matt. I'm not going to review the entire case against Kenny again for this thread, but like I tell people sometimes regarding our investigation into him:

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'You just had to BE there...'



What this means is what has happened since 2007, when Mr Kenny first became a suspect in the case. But there is really no way to explain the whole thing to people, which is why I say you had to be there. Sometimes I will tell people about this incident, or that...and then they have to decide whether I'm lying about a particular point simply to sell books or a screenplay, or if I might actually be motivated by the truth. You want to convince people, especially other Cooper investigators that you are sincere, and are being truthful...but sometimes this is difficult when they respond by pulling dirty tricks, which has been done by members of Cooperland occasionally.

One thing I have found to be a Great Truth among people investigating the case: It is counterproductive to present a viable suspect in the case and expect Cooperland to respond positively. It is not in their best interests to do so because many of them follow another suspect, or have so much time invested in a suspect that they are tempted to play dirty.

If there is such a thing as 'Cooper Royalty,' there are also rules within that group. One big rule is never present a suspect and get really serious about him. This will only generate hostility and an ejection from the court. Or...if you really lay out what you have then this will cause hostility as well, especially if it concerns just one particular suspect.

I don't know (and I can't say) whether Kenny Christiansen was Cooper. But I would like some questions answered about him. I would like to know where he and Bernie Geestman went for the whole week of the hijacking. I would like to know how Kenny managed to drop $5,000 on Dawn Androsko (alleged accomplice's sister) when he only made five hundred bucks a month. I would like to know why both Mr. and Mrs. Geestman immediately pointed to each other as possibly being involved in the Cooper hijacking right from the gate. And after everything came out publicly, why Mrs. Geestman dumped her ranch in Twisp, WA for nearly a half-million paid out by the State of Washington's Fish and Game Department and told the bank officer who handled the sale and her lawyer to not reveal where she was headed now.

I wonder whether Kenny told his doctor, Juan Juarez, anything about the hijacking before he died. I wonder how Kenny picked a house to buy from the same couple where the alleged accomplice served as the Best Man at the wedding...and then this alleged accomplice (Bernie Geestman) denied knowing anything about the sale of the house. And I would like to know why...if there was a promissory note shoved past the mortgage company by the couple who sold Kenny the house...why nothing about a payoff on that promissory note is in any of the paperwork on that house. It exists only as an agreement between Kenny and the Grimes couple as a way to apply for the mortgage on the remainder of the price of the home. (In other words, Kenny basically got the house for nothing more than a promise to pay a large portion of the total price on a promissory note, making a mortgage decision easy for the bank since they assumed little risk.) But there is nothing in Kenny's papers or in the property records about an actual payoff of the note. So how did Kenny pay off the note? He took about 18 years to pay off the mortgage, and the records show that, but what about the note? Was it an under-the-table cash deal, like his loan to Androsko? (I'm planning to interview someone soon who knows the answer) And where did he get the money to remodel the house immediately after he bought it?

I wonder why Kenny quit wearing his toupee after 11/24/71, according to Helen Jones and Dawn Androsko, and why Androsko and her friends suspected back in 72 that Kenny might be the hijacker. I even wonder why Bernie Geestman was all happy-happy-friendly about his work and friendship with Kenny, and then turned white and damn near fainted on his front porch when I finally told him WHY Kenny was being investigated. I even wonder why Geestman finally told the cast of Brad Meltzer's Decoded that Kenny could be the hijacker
('Yes, he looks just like him...') even though he was WITH Kenny the whole week.

Stuff like that.

But lately the biggest thing I wonder about is why Geestman's own family would contact me not once, but twice, and request to see any additional evidence against their own family member. And then after they saw everything, and discussed it with me, said this:

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'We'd rather wait on saying anything about him, (Geestman) until he's gone...' (dead)

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Really? Why is that?

They plan to invite Mr Geestman down from Port Angeles to see the 53-page expanded report on Kenny Christiansen, and confront him with it. Good for them.

Yes. I wonder about things like that, and perhaps I wonder if Geoff Gray was right about his suspicions all along. I occasionally see people post up saying that Geoff Gray no longer believes Kenny is the hijacker, but I have not seen a single whisper publicly from Geoff Gray himself on that, just claims by others, and those 'others' belong to Cooperland.

I think in the end, the way it will turn out is this: Either Kenny was the guy or he wasn't...and it WILL come out sooner or later.


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Your sales pitch is WHY this thread had died. If someone asked me about Duane I tell - them.

My information about his is FIRST HAND and he did confess.

NONE of your info is FIRST HAND.
I personally provided you with information U REFUSE to investigate and YOU ARE sitting in WA on their door step.

WHAT are you waiting for - for them to die so NO one can refute the story you created.

NORMALLY I do not come down on you but when it becomes evident you are WHY even I do NOT want to come BACK - when I do it is the SAME ole thing.

I asked for your help because you live in WA. NOW I realize you are not and will never do a damn thing with it because it must might prove your suspect is NOT Cooper. YOUR suspect is the MOST unlikely suspect and never considered a suspect by the FBI.

FOLKS I NEED A GENEALOGIST IN WA AND/OR OLD TIME TO CHECK SOME THING OUT FOR ME - I CAN AFFORD TO PAY FOR SOME GAS AND A THE FEES. A LOT OF IT COULD BE DONE BY COMPUTER, BUT THEN SOME OF IT WILL REQUIRE GOING TO THE LOCATIONS TO VERIFY THE INFORMATION AND TO FIND OLD PICTURES. ANY HELP I CAN GET I WILL APPRECIATE.

I ASKED BLEVIN FOR HELP IN THIS BUT OBVIOUSLY IT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST - AS IT HAS TO DO WITH CONTACTING 3 OF THE PARTIES HE SUPPOSEDLY INTERVIEWED.

SORRY BLEVINS BUT I HAVE SAT ON THIS AS LONG AS I AM GOING TO....

ANYONE WHO THINKS THEY CAN HELP WHO LIVE IN WA AND WILLING TO HELP - PLEASE CONTACT ME THRU THIS THREAD WITH A PRIVATE CONTACT EMAIL OR PHONE AND I WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH THE INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE CHASED AND THEN MAYBE I CAN PUT THIS AWAY.

I AM UNABLE TO MAKE THE TRIP MYSELF SO I WILL HAVE TO DEPEND ON OTHERS. IT IS THINGS THE FBI SHOULD HAVE DONE, BUT THEY DIDN'T.
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Jo,

Why pursue genealogy? It won't prove Duane was Cooper. Prioritize. Look for evidence provng that Duane knew how to jump. Prove he knew something about 727 flight configurations and resulting speed limits. Who he may have been acquainted with or related to does not seem very useful.

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You need first and last names, possible cities or towns of residence, possible relatives, etc. to trace people these days. The data is available, but the source data to run these searches must be provided. :)
I do have SOME spare time, but I work a regular job four or five days a week and do a lot of editing on weekends. And there is a constant load of Kenny-related email to answer, or Cooper-related. I quit taking my smartphone when camping, and switch out for the cheapie pay-as-you-go with no real internet access type. Just to get away from it all.

On a more personal note, Gayla and I have done so many First Cleans lately at $350-$500 a pop that I am getting seriously beat up and need a vacation. This is where we go into someone's home for the first time and clean it from top to bottom very thoroughly. It takes eight to ten hours of intense work. Cooper is a serious lag lately in my interests, I can tell you that. Rest and fresh air sound much better. I've also decided to film a comedy bit out there in the woods next time, loosely based on the Blair Witch Project format. I'm going to poke a bit of fun at those TV shows where one or two people go out into the wilderness and survive this or that. B|



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Jo,

Why pursue genealogy? It won't prove Duane was Cooper. Prioritize. Look for evidence provng that Duane knew how to jump. Prove he knew something about 727 flight configurations and resulting speed limits. Who he may have been acquainted with or related to does not seem very useful.

377




The connections was in the family~
The connections was also with friends of the family! Stanley Gillaim's wife was Duane's mothers best friends daughter....the family had strong connections to Puyallup!

Also the town that was where another known person in Duane's family lived -Pomeroy!~ Note the Gilliams wife also had connections to Pomeroy.

The Barths are also connected and one of them was resposible for the rehab of 1st time offenders sent to the WA pen....he created the work camps.

A former fire chief or fire fighter in The Dalles was also connected the the family...or friend of the family.

NOW you know why this information is very important - these things will put Duane with enough knowledge of chutes to have done the deed.

I listed some of the names twice back in this thread...but NO taker on getting any help with this.

The connections the sister made told me to REMEMBER them - it was difficult time for her & she knew it was the last time she would be able to talk to me before her son took her to TX.

She told me to WRITE them down, but I could only write sound alikes and then I found the names - but, only old files and old family photos of reunions and family get together is going to make the connect such as the attached photo the sister sent me.

In this picture Gwendoly was 16 and the brother was in his 20's, Duane was 10 yrs old.

The woman sitting in the chair whose face you cannot see was Mrs. Weber's friend in WA.

Stanley Gilliams wife's relatives where BARTHS....maybe her maiden name was Barth.

Duane's father signed up for the service with 2 Barth brothers and they remained friends.

They are responsible for the Weber's moving to CA. One of the Barth or both of them ened up in WA.
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Attached is a picture of MA Weber as an older woman, but she strongly resemble the Woman with Unice Gilliam in a family photo taken when a grandchild was born.

I cannot post the family photo of Unice with her daughter and grandchild but the woman in the back looks like a younger Ma Weber.

I think perhaps Unice's mother had deceased and Ma Weber stood in her stead as GodGrandmother.

I could GET no verification from the Gilliam family as to who the woman was in a family photo...but, the genealogy will probably show that Unice's mother was deceased when this picture was taken...but Ma Weber was still alive...and took her place as the GodGrandmother.

The family picture is copywrited and I could crop the older woman out - but do not know if I can legally show that.
I will send it to 377 in a PM and he can make the decision.
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Ancestry did not help - the woman at the library said it is going to take someone in WA to do the foot work in the archives...she couldn't find enough with what I had....lasts names with no first names. So much from that era was NEVER recorded unless the families had an interest in doing so. That one name is spelled several different ways.

The genealogy of my mothers family is not in place, but my fathers is - simply because someone recorded it.
and OLD bibles kept with the correct names.

Mother's is a completely different thing - with because of the indians kidnapping some of the women - one returned to her family, and was taken back with child another remained with the indians.

All I have is last names and approximate locations in 1940's for these last name... & that the heritage is probably German.

I wish I had this information when I was in WA, but I didn't because I didn't understand the message the sister was trying to tell me...it has to do with the Pomeroy Farms and their heritage - that much I know but it intermingled with that other ODD name which I finally got right and then forgot again...but I put it in the thread.
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I AM NOT GOING TO HOLD MY BREATH BUT I THINK I HAVE BEEN HEARD & WHEN I FOUND ALL OF THOSE SITES OUT THERE WERE WEBER HAD BEEN COMPLETELY IGNORED - I JUST DID IT!

SOMEONE OR DUMB ME COULDN'T FIND THE JEFFERSON PICTURE BUT IT IS GOING TO GO VIRAL...AND THEN LETS SEE WHAT THE WORLD HAD TO SAY ABOUT DUANE WEBER.

THAT JEFFERSON PIC WAS THE MISSING LINK & THE LOST RECORDS WHERE AGENTS ACTUALLY WENT TO JEFFERSON BECAUSE INDIVIDUALS CLAIMED COOPER HAD BEEN THERE.

WELL, HE WAS!
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Jo,

Why make such a big deal about Duane's Jefferson photo? It's not a good match to any credible sketch of Cooper.

Want to see a strikingly good match? Look at Don Burnworth. He was a 727 Captain. Sheridan Peterson is a decent match too. He was a very accomplished skydiver and smoke jumper.

Duane was a small time crook. Not a pilot. Not a jumper. Three facts.

No genealogy research will change that.

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Jo,

Why make such a big deal about Duane's Jefferson photo? It's not a good match to any credible sketch of Cooper.

Want to see a strikingly good match? Look at Don Burnworth. He was a 727 Captain. Sheridan Peterson is a decent match too. He was a very accomplished skydiver and smoke jumper.

Duane was a small time crook. Not a pilot. Not a jumper. Three facts.

No genealogy research will change that.

377



Sheridan Peterson was NOT Cooper and I have spoke to Sheridan many time over the yrs. The first time was when he was in WA and did NOT have health issues....I wish I had the picture he sent to me as it is NO where else and he was sitting on a rock - it was a great picture. It was on my old computer when it crashed - my first computer.

Two of the guys who worked for Sheridan at the jump site - contacted him and told him that one of the guys they took up just a couple of yrs before the jump - they believed was Cooper.

Sheridan sent the paperwork on the group to the FBI. I have discussed the results of this before.
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I also spoke with Don several time over the yrs...he is really a nice guy and Don is not Cooper. He was having marital problems about the time of the skyjacking, but that is all I remember without going back to the files. He had a solid alibi.

He and I did talk again after that and it was just general as he does not follow what goes on with Cooper.

The last time I spoke with him several yrs ago he was also having health issues....that is what happens when we get old.

You are not looking at the the Jefferson pic with a realistic mind.
The eyes are DEAD on and the tilt of the head make the nose look larger and the chin smaller - plus he was missing lower teeth at that time.

He also had a haircut - that was ridiculous and I expect his wife was cutting his hair - they had been on the run for several months..

NO - YOU need to take that Jefferson pic to a forensic artist along with the good composite of Cooper - the one I have in extreme detail that I got directly from the FBI. When it is enlarged and in sepia you will see things you did NOT know were in the picture. The reduction done by the FBI hides the details...the details are remarkable....

Did YOU ever enlarge the ORIGINAL to letter size or larger? Probably not!
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Jo,

I just don't think Duane's Jefferson photo is a good match. I've seen way better. Burnworth for example.

Also who is to say that the FBI sketch accurately depicts Cooper? You treat it like it is a photo of Cooper. It was drawn by somene who never laid eyes on Cooper.

I've seen so many law enforcement composite sketches endorsed by eyewitnesses turn out to bear little resemblance to the real perpetrator.

You are biased. I doubt if disinterested parties who had no contact with you would see the match that you see. Do a photo lineup of Weber, Peterson and Burnworth and see what percentage of disinterested viewers see Duane as the best match to the FBI sketch.

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I'm pretty much out of the DB Cooper biz going forward. This spring, we will sponsor a Cooper event at the Auburn Ave Theater showing the usual films and a couple of homemade DVD's that people have offered for us. Other than that, we are exit stage right, as Snagglepuss once said. ;)

Nothing about these things will be posted at the AB of Seattle website, just locally through the media here. I will present the slideshow on Kenny Christiansen with a few updates. If he was Cooper this will come out sooner or later. If not, same thing.

I would like to thank everyone who has made a positive contribution to this vast thread that contains so much information on the case from literally hundreds of contributors over the years.

I really mean that. If this thread were made into a Word document at 8.5x11, it would run into a magazine-sized book running well in excess of 10,000 pages, complete with all the images and links submitted by users. This is not only impressive, but proves Dropzone dot com/ The DB Cooper Thread holds a majority of the information available on The Sixth Biggest Unsolved Crime of the 20th Century (according to the History Channel anyway).

All contributors should be proud. Even if your ass was banned for idiocy against other users along the way. Whether Kenny Christiansen was actually D.B. Cooper is open to debate, but I have absolutely no doubt the truth on him will be established sooner or later. ;)

I am now taking a well-deserved vacation from all of this, and will address the theater stuff after February 1. Meanwhile, it's time to go camping and kick back with a bit of target shooting, barbeque, the usual stuff.
I'm running the complete series of Breaking Bad and watching that during the evenings for relaxation.

You gotta love it. You only wish you were here, as Pink Floyd once said. :)



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Which composite are you using? Doug knows and I know the only composite that was close per the witnesses is the one I used and not the skinny faced one with the weak generic features that has been made so prominent by the naysayers & anyone who wants to distract from the actual composite the witnesses agreed on yrs ago.

There is too much difference in the skinny faced one that is now being promoted....it WAS not the one promoted for yrs and yrs. Cook was responsible & other naysayers for that 'other' composite being primary now.

The FBI even had something to do with making the least likely becoming primary....because of pressure regarding Weber.

I CHALLENGE you - you live not too far from Tina - at least not as far as I do.
Tina would probably agree to see you and I expect you are the ONLY one.
Number one because of who you are.

Since one of the passengers lives in a close area - perhaps it could be arranged for the 2 of them to meet with you - and I expect Florence would also if her expenses were paid.

3 witnesses in one room - and see which composite they originally claimed looked the most like Cooper!
They would have to be assure NO other questions would be asked and that no pictures be taken and to meet you in an undisclosed location.

Then what they can do to bring this to an end will be done! You are an attorney and I am sure if you told them this was only to resolve all the conflicts going on that continue to enflame this old crime.

Alice has been too close to Cook and therefore has been exposed and influenced...that is the only reason I discount her.

The composite that has been sofened was NOT used...the one they FBI used in it original file & provided to me in 1998 was the one they promoted for yrs.

THEY will remember the composite drawing they collectively agreed on!...

I call the second one effeminated & not just genericized.....some agent who pulled the files decided that was the one to promote now & to hell with the one that looked like Weber or Coffelt.


Wish I knew how to put it in the text! Some how ALL of my pics are looking different - some setting I accidently changed and to not know how to make it go back - did the same with my screen. Hopefully you have one of the old ones I sent before I mess all of them up....even the family photo are now that harse color and dark in color.
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Not interested Jo. I don't have the faith you do in the accuracy of ANY of the composites regardless of witness endorsement. Seen too many examples of witness blessed composites that were way off the mark.

You are entitled to your conclusion that Duane is a dead ringer for the composite you think is the most accurate version. I do think you are biased but we all are.

Norjack was a wildly creative crime. Duane's prior comes showed no creativity at all. Just routine run of the mill stuff inexpertly executed as evidenced by repeated arrests convictions and imorisonment.

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I'm pretty much out of the DB Cooper biz going forward. This spring, we will sponsor a Cooper event at the Auburn Ave Theater showing the usual films and a couple of homemade DVD's that people have offered for us. Other than that, we are exit stage right, as Snagglepuss once said. ;)

Nothing about these things will be posted at the AB of Seattle website, just locally through the media here. I will present the slideshow on Kenny Christiansen with a few updates. If he was Cooper this will come out sooner or later. If not, same thing.

I would like to thank everyone who has made a positive contribution to this vast thread that contains so much information on the case from literally hundreds of contributors over the years.

I really mean that. If this thread were made into a Word document at 8.5x11, it would run into a magazine-sized book running well in excess of 10,000 pages, complete with all the images and links submitted by users. This is not only impressive, but proves Dropzone dot com/ The DB Cooper Thread holds a majority of the information available on The Sixth Biggest Unsolved Crime of the 20th Century (according to the History Channel anyway).

All contributors should be proud. Even if your ass was banned for idiocy against other users along the way. Whether Kenny Christiansen was actually D.B. Cooper is open to debate, but I have absolutely no doubt the truth on him will be established sooner or later. ;)

I am now taking a well-deserved vacation from all of this, and will address the theater stuff after February 1. Meanwhile, it's time to go camping and kick back with a bit of target shooting, barbeque, the usual stuff.
I'm running the complete series of Breaking Bad and watching that during the evenings for relaxation.

You gotta love it. You only wish you were here, as Pink Floyd once said. :)



So, right in the middle of your rejuvenated investigation into Mr. Kenny, you decide (once again) to get out of the Cooper business? I can't help but wonder what triggered this latest (but certainly not the last) resignation. If you're quitting now, there has to be a reason. Perhaps you have finally realized what the rest of us already knew? Or a cease and desist, perhaps?
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When the FBI was trying to get a description of Cooper this is what they got from most.

Dark Brown Piercing eyes.

Swarthy complexion.


I have a olive complexion & tan easily (or used to). Would never have been described as having a swarthy complexion.

Remember they even thought he might be foreign because of his complexion....it was dark.

NOT one of them would have said Olive.

Probably half the people on that plane had olive complexions.

Cooper had a swarthy complexion which means it was darker than others on the plane who were caucasion.

Anthony Quinn had a swarthy complexion. As did the former 1st Lady's second husband - Onasis.

Cooper's complexion was such they thought he might be foreign....

Duane Weber had an ashy complexion with golden highlights and when he had lots of sun - the ash became prominent.

If Cooper's complexion was OLIVE it would never have been called swarthy. They even thought the man might be foreign because of his complexion.

Would one think that if the complexion was truely olive? If so their world must have been very small.

The FBI and others have now turned that swarthy into olive and that is very very misleading.

If the witnesses had been shown color complexion samples they would NEVER have picked olive.

I do NOT believe I have ever seen a swarthy complexion with BLUE OR GREEN eyes! I am sure they exist, but I never met one.

Would you describe someone from Cuba or S.A. as olive - NO.

Another witnesses thought he could have been part Indian (American Indian) but, not as much red - HOW they came up with Swarthy. Like sailors who spent lots of time in the sun.

NONE of you have spent as much time as I did in the beginning with multiple principles involved with this. I interiviewed several of the passengers & the ticket agent(Dennis Lynse) & the broading (Hal Williams) agent & Mitchell & the attorney on the plane....there was another man I got intouch with but do not remember his name at this time. I have also spoke with a couple of others - but would have to look them up...Richard Simmons & Finegold are 2 more.

The FBI obtained chutes from McChord which the skyjacker said NO to because they opened automatically at 200ft. Question - how did they communicate this to Cooper and how did he know this.?

Cooper was adamant they be civilian chutes.

NO ONE knows WHY or HOW the complexion was describe as Olive when it was NO where near Olive.
Even Himmelsbach did NOT
understand that!

Guess we can't do red, blue and green anymore!

NO Funny Stuff! How many time have I heard that expression? When Duane would play monopoly he would say that to my daughter.

Cossey had the 2 back chutes but the front packs came from Issaquah...I had been told in the past they came from McChord, My bad!.
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When Cooper was informed the plane would have to go by way of RENO he had no problems with that - BECAUSE he knew he would be gone before the plane made it OR!!!!!

He did not planned to stay on that plane and the destination meant nothing to him other than he needed to go South and preferable S.E.

Just before take off Cooper told the crew Yuma was ok for a refuel ---- this is a little known fact....and one that has long been ignored.

Cooper never agreed to Reno!

Cooper was getting agitated and said "Let's Get this SHOW on the Road" The same words he used in the hospital 2 night before he died and during a torential storm...he was reliving that moment. He needed to make that jump just after dark.

He knew when he was going to jump and that he didn't care if it was headed to Reno or Mexico as he knew when he was going to jump. I believe he timed it from the time the wheels lifted off the ground - he had already dictatated the speed!

Supposedly they were tracking the plane but the authorities felt the plane was EAST of the Victor 23.

Reference Page 37 in Himmelbach's book. I know for a fact that most of the things in Mr. H's book are factual.
He discussed with me the 2 factors he got upset with the writer regarding item NOT correct and this was NOT one of them.

It also states on page 37 that the CO-Pilot reaffirmed that the plane was EAST of Victor 23.


These are accountings made when this was fresh on their minds and this is EXACTLY what the co-pilot told me.
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What you guys have debated for yrs now was decided while the plane was still in the air. When Tina described the "dynamite" she said it was the color of her uniform. Himmelsback new at that point they were nothing more than road flares - but NOT willing to bet the lives of the crew on it.

They were so far behind that 727 that it was ridiculous. Like a Robin trying to catch flying Geese.
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Now 40 plus yrs later certain individual with a reasoning of their own - wanted to change history because of the money find....I was with Weber in 1979 when he put that money in the river.

If the FBI had spent some time looking at REAL facts and the history of Weber and some actual time TALKING to me personally to see how much more I could remember.

They should have got me in WA that yr - so I could have shown them where he took me....but NO NO - they preferred to let this damn thing PLAY out for 18 more yrs and use a lot more of our taxes to do so.

I refused interviews because I thought the FBI was ACTUALLY doing something thing. Had I known they were NOT going to do anything - I would have told everything I knew and told the name to the public and most of these people were still alive then....why didn't the FBI talk to Tommy Gunn - he was alive and he knew Duane from the past - BUT, if they spoke to TOMMY GUNN - they sure as hell kept it a secret. WHY?

That is because the knowledge used to pull of the skyjacking was obtained by illegal actions on behalf of the US.

The government would have to admit they were where they WERE NOT SUPPOSED to be - in 1960's. OUR government is DIRTY!

Helms wanted this to be known but he didn't make it and now there is NO ONE to carry the TORCH! Just a dumb broad with a damn story to tell.

If any of you believe the US did not cross some line in the 60's then you need to have your head examined. 1962 to 1971 - some strange things went on.

INTERMOUNTAIN COMMUNICATION none of you ever GOT. MOST of you do NOT even know what they did. IT was not about WAR....it was getting FOOD & supplies into an area were innocent people of the war were starving to death.
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Jo,

How can you say you were there when Duane put the money in the river? Your vivid imagination and bias places Cooper bills wherever they suit your theory. You put some in the bag tossed in the river and some in the van wallet.

Your credibility suffers when you state speculation as fact. Take a clue from Vicki. She never crosses that line.

I bet I've been closer to a Cooper twenty than Duane ever was. I have one in front of me right now. If only it could talk...

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