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In case you don't understand the above, when the airliner overflew Woodland it was about six miles WEST of V-23.

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Robert99 that is logical according to old maps I have and why encampments stationed East of Woodland Ariel and South of those areas. The FBI focused on what they thought was the drop point and then they had to factor in the wind.

How many miles East of the next point being LaCentre was the plane tracked as being. Did the plane make a slight adjustment about that time a little more to the East?

I think what confuses a lot of laymen such as myself is when you refer to the Vector rather than what the co-ordinate read. In laymans terms as the plane went further West - did it not start a slight edging to the East of the Vector at that point...state the name of the location by miles from this or that point.

Per the route that I was provided the plane was zigaging - why? Why so many turns?

The plane was NOT flying a straight line....it made several jags and I believe that is what is confusing to the laymen like myself. Why was it jagging all over the place?

Why don't you list the communities from Woodlands to Orchard. Such as the plane was 6 miles East of Heisson at such and such point.

Try to think like ordinary people and not a pilot for just a little while and a lot of this would become a lot more clear...and end lots of the repetition. As per the route described why doesn't one make a map with a give and take of 2 minutes - I think this was the down fall.

I took the route and put it on a piece of clear plastic and moved it north and West and then South and East - just less than 2 minutes puts the plane at the points of interest mentioned to me in WA by Duane Weber aka John Collins and aka. The minutes is what is off. Try it - like this dummy who knows nothing about navigational lingo.

Take into account the verbal positioning versus the relay time of such accountings.

I know nothing of these things I just did the dumb bunny thing with the route provided by Sluggo and moved my clear plastic flight path up and down on the same map.

There was Grist Mill and cemetary along the Washougal - since Duane mentioned both of those it could be something he read in the media (I have read accounting of these) - but the details he told me were NOT in the media...he described the Grist Mill in detail and the Cemetary.

He also pointed out another cementary I never found on any map... or research on old cemetaries....probably because I do not know the point at which he made that statement. I could have been as far South as LaCenter but before we reached Kelso.

The other statement he made at the same time was knowning a woman in St. Helens - the same woman he tried to find on our way back when we actually went to St. Helens - her name was Joan Garritty and she had an antiques story in St.Helens....

Himmelsbach told me there was old family cemetaries which had been moved....along the interstate.

When I made my trip in 2010 I did go to St. Helen trying to find the woman...I spoke with a historian there and he also told me the same thing about old family cemetaries being moved, but did NOT know if any of them involved Garrity...or another family I mentioned Duane had claimed knowledge of.
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And do you understand that Larry Carr came along 35+ years later with a map and that he was trying to determine the source of that map and what it supposedly represented?

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I know the source of the map Larry Carr came up on!:o:)
Would the map you guys are referring to have a NO written on it!
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***55500 posts…

BTW it's guys and gals. I think the female that is still posting claims to be db, wife. Sister, aunt, niece, daughter.

Please pay attention there will be a written test.



I am not the ONLY woman who post here - I am responsible the damn thing even exists. I started one and it crashed because of a lot of FLACK, then Quade started this one with SPECIFIC rules!

I am the widow of a man who told me a few days before he died "I'm Dan Cooper" Well, this DUMB BROAD didn't know who DAN Cooper was until 1 yr and 2 months later.

Duane Died in March of 1995 and it would be May of 1996 before I learned who and what Dan Cooper was and the the memories took over.
I made UP NONE of this CRAP.

I did get caught up in the theories like very one else - and then they started in on details. Not being an accomplished user of a computer - it has been rocky to say the least.

I had NO maps - all I had was my memory and even thought I got led around and into a lot of theory - I still stayed the course.

The worse part was when one of the poster asked me to go along with him on something I mistakenly stated - but it was a very honest error....After my 2010 trip (15 days and very expensive and trying to locate the thing Duane told me about and showed me and trying to get some order in them)....a very difficult task for an old woman who had never driven in WA and had only been there twice before.
1 With Duane in 1979
2. with movie crew in 2001 - a crew who knew ZERO about WA or the STORY and a guide who had lived there for 2 yr as a student.
3. With a decent guide this could have been over yrs and yrs ago.
4 In 2010 I went back BY MYSELF with CARR's THREAT he made in this thread that I would get in a lot of trouble if I went to WA.
5. I got thare and did NOT want to come home, but I was broke...and had to go home.

6. Airline ticket 2ways,
Car rental (due to my problem had to rent a large Highlander - they had to keep filling the windshield tank up....nothing on that damn thing was like my car other then the steeing wheel....and the door.

7. Bruce was afraid to drive with me and that one day we took his old truck and it poured rain all day long....

:D:ph34r:;):)
This damn thing has used up 18 yrs of my life - so I am not one of the guys just wanting to know the truth - I know it, but NOT how to prove it....I beleive If I could have had one more week and a historical guide this would have been over.

Everyplace I went I tried find historians and went to old fire houses and kept riding on road up and down....I know that was somehing familiar about that road and then I found it. I was running out of money and pretty shy about asking questions - I didn't want to tell them why I was there or who I was.

One does NOT see an old woman with a souther accent going all over the places and going in to bar to ask question and graveyard...

I spent a great deal of my time being lost - and on 2 of those lost places - I almost gave up....but I would just get out of vehicle and go knock on a door.

The day I was with Bruce it was pouring down the rain and this one old cabin a the foot of a hill with lots of truck - I got out and went to the door with an unbrella and scarity CAT BRUCe stayed in the truck....to many guys growinn MG around...them there parts.

I would find a clue and just keep on going up and down a certain road - but being some what timid and not wanting the media to know I was there - I didn't ask all of the right questions. So much had change between 1979 and 2010 - the developement - but did find some old things not changed and I meet some wonderful people.

Larry CARR threatened me when he found out I was actually going.
He said it verbally to me....If I showed up in WA I would be in BIG trouble....I don't know what he mean by that other than he would have me arreste or committed.

I didn't have the pictures then that I have now acquire and the doors I knocked on the people had moved.

There was other places I wanted to go to - but I do not go into a bar a lone - so I had to by past those and I did NOT drive after dark.

Sluggo had offered to help = but I didn't need anyone in my face telling me this or that did not exist like JT. I regreted NOT getting to Ariel....and not being able to get int the Fire Station Museum files in the Dalles.

My best reception was in Goldendale....the woman at the museum was really helpful and arranged for the to talk to 2 of told timers and she gave me free rein of the musem and the books.

I wanted to get to Spokane and and old Jumper/Fire/Museum in Twist but the roads scared me.

To drive up what I called a mountian cracked up those who directed me to those spots - to them it was just a hill. Golden Dale I spent 2 night in and fell in love with the town and the people and for some reason some of it felt strangly familiar although I knew that Duane and I did NOT go there.
He had told me about a BAR there he and the boys used to go to, but it no longer existed.

I wanna go back - I want to find the things I couldn't find on my own....but money just won't allow that at this time....along with my health - age 74 now and feel like 80+.
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Larry CARR threatened me when he found out I was actually going.
He said it verbally to me....If I showed up in WA I would be in BIG trouble....I don't know what he mean by that other than he would have me arreste or committed.



Sure doesn't sound like the Carr I knew. You sure you aren't putting some spin on this Jo? Could he have been kidding you? Did he actually sound menacing? Let's have some details.

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Larry Carr told me if I went to WA I was going to get in trouble.

I said Screw YOU! (in nicer words)

When I went I made sure he didn't know I was there. Sluggo was posting at that time and I'll be damn if he didn't almost give it away...

WELL I should have taken my butt right up to the Seattle office the way Miss Prissy Butt did. But that was never my style - I was always the one in the back of the room - I knew the answer & my hand would be up - but the teacher never called on me until last.

The one thing I could not do was get up & recite a poem until everyone left the class room & I was alone with the teacher & tears falling down my cheeks as I recited it word for word.

She would demean me & make me feel ashamed. Fhis followed me all through my life. Even as an adult I suggested & set up a little theater in our small town - yet, I blew a one line part. After that I just did props & helped people learn their lines & position.

Why I do not interview well & why NO ONE has heard me. Why this thread has been my voice!

Larry Carr did threaten me - he told me if I came to WA I was going to be in big trouble! I should have stood up to him and have done what Marla did - but that is just NOT me.

Hell, I couldn't even handle being interviewed in a room with only a handful of people - they were telling me what to say & I was NOT going to lie on TV. So I walked out. Doug Pasternak took over in my place. I never even listened to the tape...yet someone on this thread - I believe Georger posted a picture of me turning around to the man who was instructing me - & you could see the dismay in my face - that is when I walked OUT!

If they wanted lies - well they didn't need me there. I was calling the young man down who had told me Duane was never in the ARMY.

If they were that inadequate they didn't need to be FBI Agents.

In 2001 when I was out there I should have made a stand then and /or in 2010 and have forced them to have presented that file and Jefferson Pictures at that time.

There is a little something in that picture NONE of you caught - not even me. Note they drew Cooper with one eye just a little different - she called it a lazy eye and she NOTED that Duane also had a lazy eye, but on the opposite side....she has shown that to some of her friends who are artist and they also thought the same thing.. and it is a common mistake if some one remembers something like that an they are looking at them they might state left for right and/or not remember which eye was different. The composite and the Jefferson pic with the explanation of the tilt of the head, a close hair cut (I expect he cut his hair himself or his wife did it)....it is dead on.

Remember he was on the lame for a couple of months before they caught him in 1976. The teeth or an ill fitting prothestic explained the mouth & chin - ALL other pics of Duane showed a stronger chin just like the composite....this is a detail pic and not the snapshots Ms Prissy present of her brother.

So the FBI spent 10 more yrs of the tax payers' money and look what they got for it...MORE taxpayer money thrown away. Miss Prissy put the FBI in a hell of a position.

It didn't take people long to figure out she was phony! The only picture she made public didn't look at all like Cooper. Hope they all got a kick out of it....by that I mean I hope the AGENT got a good kick in the ASS.

Could of, should of - well I chose the written word and I have answered all of the DAMN questions.

ONE thing one of the posters WANTED me to go along with many yrs ago....I should have corrected (I did later). I had mistakenly made a statement & I got put thru the ringer with it....just had the places Duane took me to out of order....but I fixed that the best I could....I was an adult trying to remember the order of the locations...I miss stated the sequence of one of the locations - and I caught hell about that because one individual didn't want it the way it really was because it washed his theory.

Well, today all that matters is the truth. That was a minor thing and didn't prove or disprove Weber was or wasn't Cooper. That damn Jefferson intake - should have been ALL OVER THE WA. papers and you can bet your life saving at that time someone might still been alive and or the witnesses might not have buried all of their memories - NOW after 18 yrs of fighting this thing - and the witnesses would NOT be able to remember what they saw 43 yrs ago.

As for the Lazy eye - I never noted that Duane had a lazy eye but the artist or one of the witnesses noted it - either they couldn't remember which eye or the artist got it wrong...then you have the pursing of the mouth to hold in poor temporary. ONLY picture of DUane out there with a weak chin.
Pictures before and after.

ENLARGE the FBI composite to the size the artist drew and see the line of the hair on the forehead and see what he was trying to portray...the DAMN FBI didn't even catch it - perhaps ORDERS not to do so.

When the artist drew the composite it is easy for the witness to note the lazy eye, but might not remember which eye. I had not noticed it - I just recognized those eyes as being dead on for Duane Weber. Enlarging the composite the other things are there also.

The witnesses never said his hair was straight - it was wavy.

Good MORNING and Good bye - I am tired very tired - I have been up all night and yes I have cursed the FBI for the last 4 yrs and more tonight than I have in the 17 yrs this has been going on.

Oh - the artist I had shown things to before - well he thinks is dead on.

Duane had the means, the motive and balls to have done what Cooper did....he was a criminal and had NO future...and had just been diagnosed with the same disease his mother died of. Well, it was go out big time or die....he didn't really care.

The hell of it! He survived & live many more yrs all because of technology. ONE has to QUESTION why was he so damn successful in his work after that.

Now anyone who might still be alive won't remember that man and the FBI will just bury the file.
They don't care that my life has been used up on this - they do not want to admit they made a mistake....and if they knew he was Cooper then they had orders to STAY QUIET!....probably because of the very things I have told about Cooper - the GOVERNMENT owed him for something he could never take credit for.

I think they kept the damn promise in 1990 - and I think the Goverment or someone provided him with the money he needed to finish out his life. ODD - he ask me to stop by the bank when I took him to the hospital that last time. He drew out the account and handed it to me and told me - you are going to need this.

Then while in the HOSPITAL he kept telling me we needed to go for a ride and that he had something he needed for me to have.

I think there was another bank because 10 yrs later it showed John Collins having a safe deposit box with over 2k in it...but again the DAMN FBI would not provide me with the Jefferson File which is what I needed to prove I was also the widow of John Collins. THIS is when CARR was incharge and he pissed me off BIG time on that.
I even gave him the name of the bank and the amount stated in that account.

They rotate the agents in and out and then you get the arrogant ones like CARR...

Well, I have been up all night - and I expect the DZ will survive without me - because I expect them to get orders from the FBI to shut the thread DOWN!

So I will take time to do these photos ONE more time.
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Maybe because there isn't any way to do it?
Maybe it is just three pictures, two of a life long criminal, and one of the criminal you wish he was.

There is a very high probability Duane was not the Hijacker, and that a lot of the stories he told you are just, stories.

Since thus far there have been zero confirmed suspicions as to his "qualifications", just like the KC suspect. If my Patrol, or CID, LT handed me this case, I would have moved on from those two long ago, they aren't viable suspects.

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DZ will survive without me - because I expect them to get orders from the FBI to shut the thread DOWN!



Not a chance Jo. The FBI doesn't care about this forum.

The FBI can't shut down websites or forums unless they are used in furtherance of criminal activity. The Justice Dept shut down a prostitution site recently http://www.dailydot.com/crime/myredbook-fbi-prostitution-sting/ and they shut down child porn sites all the time but they'd have no legal basis for shutting this site down.

Skydivers don't roll over for arbitrary law enforcement actions and most are strong believers in the right to free speech. Many of the same jumpers who hate the content of this forum would fight hard to keep it running if the FBI tried to kill it.

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Larry CARR threatened me when he found out I was actually going.
He said it verbally to me....If I showed up in WA I would be in BIG trouble....I don't know what he mean by that other than he would have me arreste or committed.



Sure doesn't sound like the Carr I knew. You sure you aren't putting some spin on this Jo? Could he have been kidding you? Did he actually sound menacing? Let's have some details.

377




Yes, it WAS threatening! If I had been like others - I would have said -Well, you just do that, but being me I shy away from getting in trouble.

What I should have done instead of calling him shortly before my flight out was to have gone to a newpaper and have told them what I had found and have gotten one of them to go back with me to these sites.

That is what I should have done and would have done had it not been for Larry Carr...his THREAT was the only reason I kept my trip secret other than to tell Sluggo what I was doing - he was the only one who knew.

(that explains how menacing his statement was)
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Maybe because there isn't any way to do it?
Maybe it is just three pictures, two of a life long criminal, and one of the criminal you wish he was.

There is a very high probability Duane was not the Hijacker, and that a lot of the stories he told you are just, stories.

Since thus far there have been zero confirmed suspicions as to his "qualifications", just like the KC suspect. If my Patrol, or CID, LT handed me this case, I would have moved on from those two long ago, they aren't viable suspects.

Matt



Look, Matt. I'm not going to review the entire case against Kenny again for this thread, but like I tell people sometimes regarding our investigation into him:

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'You just had to BE there...'



What this means is what has happened since 2007, when Mr Kenny first became a suspect in the case. But there is really no way to explain the whole thing to people, which is why I say you had to be there. Sometimes I will tell people about this incident, or that...and then they have to decide whether I'm lying about a particular point simply to sell books or a screenplay, or if I might actually be motivated by the truth. You want to convince people, especially other Cooper investigators that you are sincere, and are being truthful...but sometimes this is difficult when they respond by pulling dirty tricks, which has been done by members of Cooperland occasionally.

One thing I have found to be a Great Truth among people investigating the case: It is counterproductive to present a viable suspect in the case and expect Cooperland to respond positively. It is not in their best interests to do so because many of them follow another suspect, or have so much time invested in a suspect that they are tempted to play dirty.

If there is such a thing as 'Cooper Royalty,' there are also rules within that group. One big rule is never present a suspect and get really serious about him. This will only generate hostility and an ejection from the court. Or...if you really lay out what you have then this will cause hostility as well, especially if it concerns just one particular suspect.

I don't know (and I can't say) whether Kenny Christiansen was Cooper. But I would like some questions answered about him. I would like to know where he and Bernie Geestman went for the whole week of the hijacking. I would like to know how Kenny managed to drop $5,000 on Dawn Androsko (alleged accomplice's sister) when he only made five hundred bucks a month. I would like to know why both Mr. and Mrs. Geestman immediately pointed to each other as possibly being involved in the Cooper hijacking right from the gate. And after everything came out publicly, why Mrs. Geestman dumped her ranch in Twisp, WA for nearly a half-million paid out by the State of Washington's Fish and Game Department and told the bank officer who handled the sale and her lawyer to not reveal where she was headed now.

I wonder whether Kenny told his doctor, Juan Juarez, anything about the hijacking before he died. I wonder how Kenny picked a house to buy from the same couple where the alleged accomplice served as the Best Man at the wedding...and then this alleged accomplice (Bernie Geestman) denied knowing anything about the sale of the house. And I would like to know why...if there was a promissory note shoved past the mortgage company by the couple who sold Kenny the house...why nothing about a payoff on that promissory note is in any of the paperwork on that house. It exists only as an agreement between Kenny and the Grimes couple as a way to apply for the mortgage on the remainder of the price of the home. (In other words, Kenny basically got the house for nothing more than a promise to pay a large portion of the total price on a promissory note, making a mortgage decision easy for the bank since they assumed little risk.) But there is nothing in Kenny's papers or in the property records about an actual payoff of the note. So how did Kenny pay off the note? He took about 18 years to pay off the mortgage, and the records show that, but what about the note? Was it an under-the-table cash deal, like his loan to Androsko? (I'm planning to interview someone soon who knows the answer) And where did he get the money to remodel the house immediately after he bought it?

I wonder why Kenny quit wearing his toupee after 11/24/71, according to Helen Jones and Dawn Androsko, and why Androsko and her friends suspected back in 72 that Kenny might be the hijacker. I even wonder why Bernie Geestman was all happy-happy-friendly about his work and friendship with Kenny, and then turned white and damn near fainted on his front porch when I finally told him WHY Kenny was being investigated. I even wonder why Geestman finally told the cast of Brad Meltzer's Decoded that Kenny could be the hijacker
('Yes, he looks just like him...') even though he was WITH Kenny the whole week.

Stuff like that.

But lately the biggest thing I wonder about is why Geestman's own family would contact me not once, but twice, and request to see any additional evidence against their own family member. And then after they saw everything, and discussed it with me, said this:

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'We'd rather wait on saying anything about him, (Geestman) until he's gone...' (dead)

Paraphrased



Really? Why is that?

They plan to invite Mr Geestman down from Port Angeles to see the 53-page expanded report on Kenny Christiansen, and confront him with it. Good for them.

Yes. I wonder about things like that, and perhaps I wonder if Geoff Gray was right about his suspicions all along. I occasionally see people post up saying that Geoff Gray no longer believes Kenny is the hijacker, but I have not seen a single whisper publicly from Geoff Gray himself on that, just claims by others, and those 'others' belong to Cooperland.

I think in the end, the way it will turn out is this: Either Kenny was the guy or he wasn't...and it WILL come out sooner or later.


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NOTE the error date correction in the below post - sorry. 1966 was when Weber was on the run from the FBI before he was arrested as John Collins and sent to Jefferson.


skyjack71

Larry Carr told me if I went to WA I was going to get in trouble.

I said Screw YOU! (in nicer words)

When I went I made sure he didn't know I was there. Sluggo was posting at that time and I'll be damn if he didn't almost give it away...

WELL I should have taken my butt right up to the Seattle office the way Miss Prissy Butt did. But that was never my style - I was always the one in the back of the room - I knew the answer & my hand would be up - but the teacher never called on me until last.

The one thing I could not do was get up & recite a poem until everyone left the class room & I was alone with the teacher & tears falling down my cheeks as I recited it word for word.

She would demean me & make me feel ashamed. Fhis followed me all through my life. Even as an adult I suggested & set up a little theater in our small town - yet, I blew a one line part. After that I just did props & helped people learn their lines & position.

Why I do not interview well & why NO ONE has heard me. Why this thread has been my voice!

Larry Carr did threaten me - he told me if I came to WA I was going to be in big trouble! I should have stood up to him and have done what Marla did - but that is just NOT me.

Hell, I couldn't even handle being interviewed in a room with only a handful of people - they were telling me what to say & I was NOT going to lie on TV. So I walked out. Doug Pasternak took over in my place. I never even listened to the tape...yet someone on this thread - I believe Georger posted a picture of me turning around to the man who was instructing me - & you could see the dismay in my face - that is when I walked OUT!

If they wanted lies - well they didn't need me there. I was calling the young man down who had told me Duane was never in the ARMY.

If they were that inadequate they didn't need to be FBI Agents.

In 2001 when I was out there I should have made a stand then and /or in 2010 and have forced them to have presented that file and Jefferson Pictures at that time.

There is a little something in that picture NONE of you caught - not even me. Note they drew Cooper with one eye just a little different - she called it a lazy eye and she NOTED that Duane also had a lazy eye, but on the opposite side....she has shown that to some of her friends who are artist and they also thought the same thing.. and it is a common mistake if some one remembers something like that an they are looking at them they might state left for right and/or not remember which eye was different. The composite and the Jefferson pic with the explanation of the tilt of the head, a close hair cut (I expect he cut his hair himself or his wife did it)....it is dead on.

Remember he was on the lame for a couple of months before they caught him in 1976. (This should read 1966 ) The teeth or an ill fitting prothestic explained the mouth & chin - ALL other pics of Duane showed a stronger chin just like the composite....this is a detail pic and not the snapshots Ms Prissy present of her brother.

So the FBI spent 10 more yrs of the tax payers' money and look what they got for it...MORE taxpayer money thrown away. Miss Prissy put the FBI in a hell of a position.

It didn't take people long to figure out she was phony! The only picture she made public didn't look at all like Cooper. Hope they all got a kick out of it....by that I mean I hope the AGENT got a good kick in the ASS.

Could of, should of - well I chose the written word and I have answered all of the DAMN questions.

ONE thing one of the posters WANTED me to go along with many yrs ago....I should have corrected (I did later). I had mistakenly made a statement & I got put thru the ringer with it....just had the places Duane took me to out of order....but I fixed that the best I could....I was an adult trying to remember the order of the locations...I miss stated the sequence of one of the locations - and I caught hell about that because one individual didn't want it the way it really was because it washed his theory.

Well, today all that matters is the truth. That was a minor thing and didn't prove or disprove Weber was or wasn't Cooper. That damn Jefferson intake - should have been ALL OVER THE WA. papers and you can bet your life saving at that time someone might still been alive and or the witnesses might not have buried all of their memories - NOW after 18 yrs of fighting this thing - and the witnesses would NOT be able to remember what they saw 43 yrs ago.

As for the Lazy eye - I never noted that Duane had a lazy eye but the artist or one of the witnesses noted it - either they couldn't remember which eye or the artist got it wrong...then you have the pursing of the mouth to hold in poor temporary. ONLY picture of DUane out there with a weak chin.
Pictures before and after.

ENLARGE the FBI composite to the size the artist drew and see the line of the hair on the forehead and see what he was trying to portray...the DAMN FBI didn't even catch it - perhaps ORDERS not to do so.

When the artist drew the composite it is easy for the witness to note the lazy eye, but might not remember which eye. I had not noticed it - I just recognized those eyes as being dead on for Duane Weber. Enlarging the composite the other things are there also.

The witnesses never said his hair was straight - it was wavy.

Good MORNING and Good bye - I am tired very tired - I have been up all night and yes I have cursed the FBI for the last 4 yrs and more tonight than I have in the 17 yrs this has been going on.

Oh - the artist I had shown things to before - well he thinks is dead on.

Duane had the means, the motive and balls to have done what Cooper did....he was a criminal and had NO future...and had just been diagnosed with the same disease his mother died of. Well, it was go out big time or die....he didn't really care.

The hell of it! He survived & live many more yrs all because of technology. ONE has to QUESTION why was he so damn successful in his work after that.

Now anyone who might still be alive won't remember that man and the FBI will just bury the file.
They don't care that my life has been used up on this - they do not want to admit they made a mistake....and if they knew he was Cooper then they had orders to STAY QUIET!....probably because of the very things I have told about Cooper - the GOVERNMENT owed him for something he could never take credit for.

I think they kept the damn promise in 1990 - and I think the Goverment or someone provided him with the money he needed to finish out his life. ODD - he ask me to stop by the bank when I took him to the hospital that last time. He drew out the account and handed it to me and told me - you are going to need this.

Then while in the HOSPITAL he kept telling me we needed to go for a ride and that he had something he needed for me to have.

I think there was another bank because 10 yrs later it showed John Collins having a safe deposit box with over 2k in it...but again the DAMN FBI would not provide me with the Jefferson File which is what I needed to prove I was also the widow of John Collins. THIS is when CARR was incharge and he pissed me off BIG time on that.
I even gave him the name of the bank and the amount stated in that account.

They rotate the agents in and out and then you get the arrogant ones like CARR...

Well, I have been up all night - and I expect the DZ will survive without me - because I expect them to get orders from the FBI to shut the thread DOWN!

So I will take time to do these photos ONE more time.


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You would be in trouble if you came to Washington? I doubt that. What would Larry Carr actually do? Arrest some senior lady he believed was a Problem Child on the Cooper case and haul you off to Federal detention? The Seattle media would have been all over that in a minute and you would have been declared a Hero of the Cooper Revolution. :)
If you are going to go public on offering up the possible solution to what History Channel once called 'The Sixth Biggest Unsolved Crime of the 20th Century,' then you should expect interview requests occasionally. This thread is a poor platform since you only reach a limited audience and not the general public. You should AGREE to such interviews and take your chances with what the interviewer will write about your story. That is my best advice on this.

I accept all interview requests as long as they are from legit media. There is no need to fear them. You never know. Maybe someone will hear your story and an old memory will conjure up that supports your case. Dodging them only makes people believe you have nothing to support that case, or you aren't serious about involving the public. At this late date, only the public can help you.

Your refusal to give full names and information that can be traced and researched is a problem. Think about it. If you are convinced Duane is really the hijacker, then what do you have to lose? It isn't like anyone will come after you, or try to take away your life over it. The public just doesn't care that much. You are not Brangelina, Paris Hilton, or George Clooney. So no one will bother giving you a hard time about coming forward. This has always been your best chance, i.e. a two-pronged approach. Reveal EVERYTHING, give names, locations, etc that can be traced. Otherwise you are wasting your time.

You aren't going to convince anyone that Duane Weber was the hijacker. This must be done by others who will check out your story. But in order to do that, you have to come clean with everything that is relevant otherwise you will be ignored. This is YOUR choice.


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If there is a "gamer" on this site , will you please make a game where you have to fly a plane the route of the hijacked plane. If we know the pounds of fuel, flight time, you could win the game by having zero minutes and zero fuel at the end of the flight. You would have to have a variable rate of fuel usage. for example at T- x minutes the aft stairs were engaged etc. causing an increase in fuel usage. My gut feeling tells me that unless the pilot flew over Tina bar, you would be hard pressed to duplicate the flight and win.

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If there is a "gamer" on this site , will you please make a game where you have to fly a plane the route of the hijacked plane. If we know the pounds of fuel, flight time, you could win the game by having zero minutes and zero fuel at the end of the flight. You would have to have a variable rate of fuel usage. for example at T- x minutes the aft stairs were engaged etc. causing an increase in fuel usage. My gut feeling tells me that unless the pilot flew over Tina bar, you would be hard pressed to duplicate the flight and win.



Mark, Your last sentence is going to cause Blevins and Jo Weber to go ballistic. But welcome to the group of "true believers" about the flight path of the airliner.

Shutter, who sometimes posts here on DZ and runs the "other DB Cooper" site, which the two individuals mentioned above continually disparage, has done some beautiful simulations of the hijacked airliner's flight.

I'll switch over to Shutter's site and send him a PM to read your post here. With luck, Shutter will invite you to join his site.

Robert99

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***If there is a "gamer" on this site , will you please make a game where you have to fly a plane the route of the hijacked plane. If we know the pounds of fuel, flight time, you could win the game by having zero minutes and zero fuel at the end of the flight. You would have to have a variable rate of fuel usage. for example at T- x minutes the aft stairs were engaged etc. causing an increase in fuel usage. My gut feeling tells me that unless the pilot flew over Tina bar, you would be hard pressed to duplicate the flight and win.



Mark, Your last sentence is going to cause Blevins and Jo Weber to go ballistic. But welcome to the group of "true believers" about the flight path of the airliner.

Shutter, who sometimes posts here on DZ and runs the "other DB Cooper" site, which the two individuals mentioned above continually disparage, has done some beautiful simulations of the hijacked airliner's flight.

I'll switch over to Shutter's site and send him a PM to read your post here. With luck, Shutter will invite you to join his site.

Robert99

There is nothing wrong with Shutter's website. I drop by for a bit most Sundays in the evening when Greg and I have our meetings. I only objected to Galen Cook posting his bullshit lies about Skipp Porteous over there. That was my only real complaint. :)


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If there is a "gamer" on this site , will you please make a game where you have to fly a plane the route of the hijacked plane. If we know the pounds of fuel, flight time, you could win the game by having zero minutes and zero fuel at the end of the flight. You would have to have a variable rate of fuel usage. for example at T- x minutes the aft stairs were engaged etc. causing an increase in fuel usage. My gut feeling tells me that unless the pilot flew over Tina bar, you would be hard pressed to duplicate the flight and win.




Hi Mark74. I have a home built simulator that is being used specifically to retrace the flight path. it's a little bit above a "game" it's a fully functional 727-100 with the all bells and whistles. the cockpit is fully functional, as well as the aerodynamics of the plane, and the weather. it also has a "black box" that records the data for future use.

It has taken some time learning how to operate and fly a 727. just ask Mark Bennett :)
To date I have flown from SEA to PDX dozens of times with similar results. I don't have anything written in stone as of yet, but it appears the path can be flown the way it's plotted. although I can also get similar results flying straight down from the maylay intersection. the path timing doesn't really change much east to west from maylay southward. my main goal is to retrace the path, and that's what I'm doing, but, I'm open to any possibilities that could help in resolving this case. it's a stepping stone in helping to find answers. at this point I don't really have a clue if the path is that accurate, or possibly the timing of things. I'm not sure yet. it's incomplete at the moment.

Both pilots have given different examples of where the plane was. the FBI doesn't know where the map originated from. Carr even admits this. I'm just trying to help verify things. once that has been accomplished, I'll start asking more questions.

Here is a video of my simulator. I have more with better details, but I like this one B|

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQHnh5eJKvA

Shutter

ADDED: I would like to say that a lot of help came from two people, one being Hominid for his knowledge of the path, and the weather. next would be Robert99 who also has a lot of knowledge with the path, and has helped me numerous times as a pilot guiding me through the skies......

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'The FBI doesn't know where the map originated from. Carr even admits this...'



Most likely scenario is that it was created by Paul Soderlind and his team from NWA, using the available data from all the known sources. There is a picture out there on the internet somewhere (I may have it on one of our other computers still) that shows a similar map in the background. On a wall. It is one of the pictures taken during the Army search for Cooper.


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'The FBI doesn't know where the map originated from. Carr even admits this...'



Most likely scenario is that it was created by Paul Soderlind and his team from NWA, using the available data from all the known sources. There is a picture out there on the internet somewhere (I may have it on one of our other computers still) that shows a similar map in the background. On a wall. It is one of the pictures taken during the Army search for Cooper.



The MAP! How many times do I have to ask them WHAT map they are using - remember I have them ALL.

Different versions...the one Carr came up with I know its source and how and why it was created...& has NO written on it in large bold print as is the fight path.

If that is not the map these guys are concerned about - then they need to post it here so I can see it and I will give you the source!
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Pretty bad when they have to come to this thread to solicit new posters. There are 2 individuals who post there I would NOT turn my back on. Both individuals are all about gaming - but not the numbers game Mark74 speaks of.

I saw this coming. .

Remember the game XXXXX played with this thread and with me?

I exchange many private emails eons ago with one individual who posts over there - and he was playing a vicious GAME... he continues to play that GAME even today..... I do NOT understand people like that.

I had saved all of the emails he sent me yrs ago and printed them....I also have all of the slanderous postings he made about me - the moderator was NICE enough to get them deleted - NOT something one wants their grandchildren reading about Grandma...

I am still feeling the reprecussions from what was said about me...due to a letter I received from the State making a request.
One I did not oblige them on...
but did call and was told to contact the Governor's Office.

The owner and moderator is a pretty good guy - but, do not know where he really stands on the Cooper story - that simulator thing is pretty neat....they had one of the real simulators at the Base.

At first I thought you were one of the old posters who came & left of his own accord - he was a numbers guy also...Wishful hoping on my part.

He was an extremely intelligent & nice guy - when he got on a streak there was NO stopping him...he marched to a different drummer than the typical poster on the thread....he chose to step aside due to his personal obligation & it WAS the right thing to do. He & I still keep in contact a couple of times a yr.
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Sunday around noon time I sent out lots of emails. In that email I made a mistake or two, but I GOT more than SOMEONE's attention!

All of sudden others see what I saw.
Others understand why I feel dismay at the standing of the FBI regarding Weber and yet 'supposedly' supported another Ms Cooper with an unlikely suspect. Others are starting to feel as I do.....either the FBI goofed or there is more to Cooper than they want us to know.
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399 - have you got the Crows ready?
Hell, leave the feathers on - Oh do you have any armadillo and how about some RAT & throw in a skunk..

1973 Duane Weber loaned his BOSS quiet a sum of money for a man who didn't make that much in 1971 or 1972 ... I have the NOTE!

Duane had supposedly inherited some money! Duh! There was NO one to inherit anything from - they had been dead for yrs & yrs....1956 & 1958.

I do not know what Duane's relationship with McCoy was - but there is one thing for sure..... Duane & I did not discuss McCoy until we moved to VA. The house McCoy was killed at was just 4 blocks from the Mall. He was just telling me about it as it related to knowing the area...no big deal!

ONE brief discussion on a tour of the town showing me how to find the grocery store and the mall.

I surmised after finding out who DAN Cooper was in 1996 that Duane was talking about McCoy the night he got stinking drunk and basically crawled into the house before we left Va - telling me he was responsible for a man dieing (rambling about his trying to copy him).....I went out to see if the car was ok thinking he might have hit someone....he was very DRUNK - the only time I EVER saw him that way.

I was getting concerned because it was getting late - he was just going to have a farewell drink with the guys after dinner...to say good-bye.

He had the shunt in his arm, but had not started on the kidney machine. We were moving to AL and he was going out on disability....he was NOT even supposed to be drinking.

WHO pays attention to what a DRUNK is rambling about....I logged it away in my mind & it did NOT seem important to make an issue of it....that was 1987.

I had NO IDEA that D.B.Cooper was called DAN COOPER until 1 yr and 3 months AFTER Duane died.

It was in a book about Cooper - the only book the library had on Cooper. It was in May of 1996 the day after I had ACED the state real estage exam - at that time the highest score ever made on that particular test.

Someone like Georger and others twist this story making it sound like I have changed it - it never changed.

Had I not started dating again - I might never have known anything about Dan Cooper.

I liked the guy, but did NOT care to take the relationship beyond the point of being friends. So I started to talk about Duane & when he died - it was not an issue - it was just a way of letting this very nice man know I was not ready to move forward....rather than make him feel badly about himself.

I wasn't going to say "Hey, you are too FAT or you are too skinny".
Why hurt someone who is already hurting from a relationship that went badly for him.

In Va Bch, VA - When Duane was stinking drunk he did NOT mention McCoy - just rambled about a man who tried to copy him and died.

1983 Duane shows me where McCoy died while aquainting me with the area. Evidently Duane looked up the site McCoy died and this realization must have ate at his gut the entire time we lived in VA. Bch. VA.

1987 Duane is going out on disability with the company & we are moving to AL. He get drunk - no mention of the name McCoy.

1995 Nine days before he died after refusing diaylsis and presenting his living will to the Dr., his Nurse and the Hosp. Administrator - he tells me we have to tallk and he tells me he is DAN COOPER - HE got very angry because I did NOT understand what he was trying to tell me.

He had refused drugs for 2 days. He made it well know to the Dr. he had refused the morphine for 2 days - and therefore sound of mind....when he presented the documents in his briefcase.

Duane instructed the Dr and Nurse to NOTE the date the documents had been signed and the dates they had been signed. Note the dates the documents were signed .

All of the doucments had been sighn in 1999 before he went on the machine - he was Leaving nothing to chance.

...Duane had everything planned.

It was after the Staff & Dr left he told me we needed to talk and he tried to tell me - but they had given him a heavy dose and it was acting pretty quickly....I did NOT understand what he was trying to tell me.

Several days later - Duane is still alive and I go to adjust his pillow and there was a tissue with several morphine tablets....Again he tells me we have to talk, but stupid me went and told the nurse what I had found - then they started making him open his mouth to prove he had swallowed the pill.

Those 3 days he rambled and the rains were torrential and I could not take him for that ride the Hosp told me I could take him on...he had something in the VAN....evidently it was the WALLET that was returned to me after I sold the vehicle...NO money so the man said! But if it was only a 20 - and an old ticket - he probably didn't think anything about putting it in his pocket.

The FBI never told the man the ransom was in 20's - he didn't know that until 3 yrs ago when I contacted him one last time...
After all who - misses a 20?

This simply and very real story has been changed by Georger and other - till I am sice of these guys and I am sich of defending myself.
I do NOT have to defend myself any more - they are the one who neen an attorney to tell them it is called deliberate slander.

I is here in this thread - it has not been altered or changed - I do not have it written down - I just let it roll on the screen with my fingers.

THESE boys get out of my site and they start to misbehave - surely the must be drunk when they read what I say.

There was handwrighting in the book, it was not duane's hand writting. thought it was but I wasnt sure. What I did know as that book was laying on the bed in our travel trailor in 1990 before he went on the machine...Living in the trailor at the Shop was his way of spending some time with himself ... you have to learn to accept what is headed your way. I have watch 2 husbands die - and everyone has their choices or the decisison to make - but you are NEVER ready to say that final good bye.

I would appreciate if they are going to talk about this - the part about Duene - that they at least tell the truth of just do NOT discuss Cooper or Weber - just do their own little thing.

Perhaps they need to come up with some REALLY good stories about why they have ignored me for 18 yrs.
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It's pretty quiet around here, but I don't care about that. This way I don't have to bother responding. B|

Actually, I'm busy trying to work out the glitches on a PDF for print to Lightning Source. This requires work within the Word doc...then a PDF conversion via Adobe Acrobat...check for glitches...find them...don't save the PDF...go back to the Word doc after you make notes where the glitches are...fix the glitches...do the PDF conversion again...check for glitches...find them...do you sense a pattern here?

Ha. The life of an editor. Sometimes it is a headache (literally) especially when working with a book that has more than sixty pictures installed, including the ones for the chapter headers. (*hangs head and groans*)

Damn. I thought I had got OUT of the magazine biz. Guess not. This one has so many images you would think it WAS a mag. :)
I will attach a screenshot of just ONE of the pages. Thank God it only has ONE picture...


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I wasn't particularly thinking of Duane when I posted that. Did Duane have a bizarre sense of humor? If he was the hijacker or simply found the money- would he play jokes with the authorities? If I was right about abbe being the intersection of beach and ball, then using the same rule on "XB" for someone growing up in the sixties. I would say it means" Super fragilistic eX-Bi alli docious", from" Mary Poppins'
which I find humorous myself!

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I wasn't particularly thinking of Duane when I posted that. Did Duane have a bizarre sense of humor? If he was the hijacker or simply found the money- would he play jokes with the authorities? If I was right about abbe being the intersection of beach and ball, then using the same rule on "XB" for someone growing up in the sixties. I would say it means" Super fragilistic eX-Bi alli docious", from" Mary Poppins'
which I find humorous myself!




I did not understand your post or which post you are referencing.

Duane had a sense of humor, but as for playing a sadist game - I don't have any knowledge of such.

I do not know if you read to story about Duane at a Golf resort area and the 2 girls and his friend shared a few drinks with in the early 70's. The girls said they had to leave and they walked them to their car and thanked them for the drinks as the pulled off, Duane told his friend "Watch this" and then Duane made a running leap and jumped on the front of their moving vehicle toward the windshield.

He was spread out on the hood of the car - saying "Please don't leave- Please - Pleaseeee!" All the while holding on to the front of the top of the hood pressing is face against the windshield .....

A lot of the things I have been told - indicates Duane had a way of expressing himself. This is not the only incident I have wrote about here.

Duane was loved by his agents and he mentored the young agents as thought they were the son he supposedly never had.

Duane did incidate to another party that he not only had a daughter, but a son. Duane never mentioned the son to me.
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