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skyjack71

Make this thread count for something. Make the yrs we have spent at this count...put together and history of all of the suspects investigated and not invesgitated and a list of all of the leads investigated and where or why these leads failed.



Jo,

If and when Cooper's name is determined, it will definitely be a name that has NEVER appeared on this thread and, in all probability, a name that NO ONE on this thread has ever heard of.

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******Jo,

You may disagree with someone using Tina's picture as an avatar but it is highly unlikely that it harms Tina. She doesn't hang out in the Cooper Vortex.

Let it be. Being a morality cop in this forum is the ultimate exercise in futility.

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Thanks for your thoughts and support there.

I should have mentioned it earlier, but I'll do it now, the "Through The Lens of Logic" series of videos by SafecrackingPLF seemed to be very worthwhile, but then conclude almost all too suddenly.

I got the impression he stopped rather than finished? I will re-visit the last couple of videos. But that's the impression I got.

OOPS!

I was wrong. Tina sat in the other aisle seat, 18 - D. RH-1 got that wrong in his book.

Billy Mitchell says he sat in 18 - B, put his books in 18- C and coat in 18- A. DBC sat in 18 - E, and left his tie there.

I never claimed to be DBC, a witness or anybody special. Just that I had read a couple of books. My handle 18C make some sense now?

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"...I never claimed to be DBC, a witness or anybody special. Just that I had read a couple of books. My handle 18C make some sense now?





Not exactly, Eighteen-C, what does your handle mean to you?

The fact that you use a seat number from Flight 305 as a moniker shows that you have done some reading, such as RH-1's book, and probably others - Calame? Tosaw?

If you'd like to read more, I'm happy to send an e-draft of my book along to ya. Free. brucesmith at rainierconnect dot com.

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"...I never claimed to be DBC, a witness or anybody special. Just that I had read a couple of books. My handle 18C make some sense now?





Not exactly, Eighteen-C, what does your handle mean to you?

The fact that you use a seat number from Flight 305 as a moniker show that you have done some reading, such as RH-1's book, and probably others - Calame? Tosaw?

If you'd like to read more, I'm happy to send an e-draft of my book along to ya. Free. brucesmith at rainierconnect dot com.



I mentioned I'd read a couple of books on DBC. Seat 18C had a book on it. That's the origin of my moniker.

Have read Skyjack, Into The Blast and The Real McCoy. Keen to read more.

Cheers.

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"I mentioned I'd read a couple of books on DBC. Seat 18C had a book on it. That's the origin of my moniker.

Have read Skyjack, Into The Blast and The Real McCoy. Keen to read more.

Cheers.




Whatcha think of the Real McCoy?

In particular, Rhodes" interviews with agents that had participated in the Reno evidence retrieval? When Bernie characterizes some of them acting as if they were "under the influence of a post-hypnotic suggestion," and that no one remembers the tie, those bits got my attention Big Time.

You?

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"I mentioned I'd read a couple of books on DBC. Seat 18C had a book on it. That's the origin of my moniker.

Have read Skyjack, Into The Blast and The Real McCoy. Keen to read more.

Cheers.




Whatcha think of the Real McCoy?

In particular, Rhodes" interviews with agents that had participated in the Reno evidence retrieval? When Bernie characterizes some of them acting as if they were "under the influence of a post-hypnotic suggestion," and that no one remembers the tie, those bits got my attention Big Time.

You?



Really enjoyed The Real McCoy. Great read whether the reader considers the connection to Flight 305 accurate or not. I will have to revisit the book and seek the section you specifically refer to.

RFM had one hell of an interesting life, and if not for it being overshadowed by DBC's legendary deeds, would probably already have been turned into a mini-series or movie IMO.

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"I mentioned I'd read a couple of books on DBC. Seat 18C had a book on it. That's the origin of my moniker.

Have read Skyjack, Into The Blast and The Real McCoy. Keen to read more.

Cheers.






Whatcha think of the Real McCoy?

In particular, Rhodes" interviews with agents that had participated in the Reno evidence retrieval? When Bernie characterizes some of them acting as if they were "under the influence of a post-hypnotic suggestion," and that no one remembers the tie, those bits got my attention Big Time.

You?



Really enjoyed The Real McCoy. Great read whether the reader considers the connection to Flight 305 accurate or not. I will have to revisit the book and seek the section you specifically refer to.

RFM had one hell of an interesting life, and if not for it being overshadowed by DBC's legendary deeds, would probably already have been turned into a mini-series or movie IMO.

Yup, McCoy had an interesting life - first he was a hero in Vietnam and then is tops in his LE class at BYU. Then he steals an airplane and half-a-mil.

Then he escapes twice from federal custody, and lives on the lam as a hard core bank robber, only to be betrayed, allegedly by his wife, and corralled by the feds in Virginny Beach.

But wait! There's more - After his "death" he is supposedly turned into a super spy, according to Bobby Knoss. But not before Duane gets really drunk and crawls around da beach and tells Mrs. Cooper that he is responsible for someone dying, presumably Dickie McCoy.

What I'd really like to know is, how did he make it to the ground in Provo when 200 LE were looking for him and tracking his way to the ground?

Sounds like the feds had a real tough time with skyjackers once they made it to the ground, such as with Danny and Dickie.

As for the connection between Dickie and Flight 305, Russ Calame was unshakeable about McCoy being DB Cooper when I talked with Russ back a few years. At the time I wondered if Russ' view had strong merit and that perhaps DB tutored Dickie or they were part of some kind of skyjacking team.

To wit - WTH was Dickie doing in Vegas when 305 was going to Reno? Lots of guys sure didn't want to spend T-Day at home that year.

Plus Dickie sure refined Danny's methodology, and got 300K extra for his efforts - too bad he didn't know how to keep his mouth shut, or where to stash his loot. Plus it sounds like he had a cranky wife and sister in law, so I would say the cards were stacked against him on that front.

I love the fact that Dickie was part of the aerial search for himself the day after.....ya can't make this stuff up.

As for Bernie, he is keeping his mouth shut - no one has ever spoken to him, as far as I know. Bernie is down in the Tampa-St Pete area, and I need to knock on his door and see what's cookin'. Not even GG got a peep out of him.

BTW: Nick O'Hara, the guy who allegedly shot McCoy in VB is best friends with Bernie and vacations with him in Florida.

Lastly, I'd love to know more about the wife. She and her kids ain't talking, even though GG really pounded the pavement in Provo looking for them. Nick got a giant belly laugh when I asked him about the wife and how I could get a hold of her. Imagine if Bobby B did his "nice" routine and asked for an interview. I would think that she would eat him for lunch and not even burp.

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You make some good points there Bruce.

I also found it interesting RFM was able to just hitch-hike his way home undetected. His original plan included his wife driving distraction in a separate car. But he got by easy enough without her.

RFM's attention to detail in pre-planning his hijack was underrated IMO. Outside of telling people what he was up to and suffering the odd bout of stage fright along the way, his crime bordered on genius and he seems to have pre-planned far better than did DBC - again IMO.

RFM's crime was identical in so many ways to DBC's, but to me the tell tale difference is found in their differing demeanor.

DBC remained calm almost throughout and was the consummate gentleman according to Tina. RFM on the other hand was jamming his gun into people's ribs, pointing it at people, and waving his hand grenade menacingly about as well.

Your suggestion DBC may have assisted RFM is left field and interesting. Remember also RFM in his demand letters kept referring to ''we'' not "i".

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You make some good points there Bruce.

I also found it interesting RFM was able to just hitch-hike his way home undetected. His original plan included his wife driving distraction in a separate car. But he got by easy enough without her.

RFM's attention to detail in pre-planning his hijack was underrated IMO. Outside of telling people what he was up to and suffering the odd bout of stage fright along the way, his crime bordered on genius and he seems to have pre-planned far better than did DBC - again IMO.

RFM's crime was identical in so many ways to DBC's, but to me the tell tale difference is found in their differing demeanor.

DBC remained calm almost throughout and was the consummate gentleman according to Tina. RFM on the other hand was jamming his gun into people's ribs, pointing it at people, and waving his hand grenade menacingly about as well.

Your suggestion DBC may have assisted RFM is left field and interesting. Remember also RFM in his demand letters kept referring to ''we'' not "i".



Wifey is a real piece of work - leaving her hubby in the desert with 200 guys looking for him? Whew. Odd that Dickie could stroll into the soda shop and get a ride. Where were the cops????

Yes, Danny's demeanor is very telling. I think it is a major clue, the guys in Special Forces feel it is one of the tells that reveals to them that Danny was one of them. "Another day in the office," is how one characterized DB's behavior.

Although, there are some variations on that. One report has Tina saying that Danny jumped up and down like a giddy child when the money came in.

Yet, in comparison to DBC, though, Dickie was pretty jumpy - and the con being transported spotted him right away.

"We" versus "I," eh? I'll have to check that out. I missed that!

One more thing on the group aspect of the skyjacks - when I was talking with O'Hara (thanks to Miss Vickie) I asked him about the McCoy connection to Norjak and he began to hedge, saying, "You'd better talk to the guys at Salt Lake City - they were more into that than anyone else." I pushed him a little further, asking about a group operation (as I remember) and he dug in his heels right away and then clammed up. I was surprised because we'd been pretty chatty up until then.

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Robert99

***Just making sure you guys are staying honest over there...:)



While you are at it, you could also make sure that you stay honest on this site.


18C is Galen Cook! Up to his old games AGAIN!
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******Just making sure you guys are staying honest over there...:)



While you are at it, you could also make sure that you stay honest on this site.


18C is Galen Cook! Up to his old games AGAIN!

You are not only wrong, your paranoia is quite disturbing!

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***'Blevins, This is just another attempt of yours to explain some of the illogical statements that you have made in trying to frame KC for the hijacking. And increase the sales of your KC book and, hopefully, lure some sucker into buying your KC screen play.

Smokin99 and a number of others, including myself, have repeatedly pointed out to you that your logic (?) is wrong.

For instance, if you are looking for a name in the phone book that starts with "Z", you do not have to start with the "A" surnames and work your way to the "Z" listing. You just start with the "Z" surnames.

The ransom money numbers could easily be placed in an alpha-numeric sequence with the end result that a bank teller could easily determine if a given bill was part of the ransom in less than 10 seconds.

This has been discussed at length previously and there is no point in discussing it further here. Just refer to the previous posts since nothing is going to change their validity.

Robert99'



I'm not sure how you got Kenny Christiansen out of all of that. And in fact...the screenplay on his life has been put on hold until we complete our current investigation.

You, as far as I know, were not living in the Seattle area at the time of the hijacking. There were many reports of bank tellers complaining about the difficulty of checking each and every twenty-dollar bill that passed across their station each day. That is why banks gave up the search effort so quickly.

You are misinformed, and trying to twist actual facts into some anti-Christiansen tirade, facts which have nothing to do with Christiansen in the first place. This is about the ransom money. And Special Agent Larry Carr, the former case agent, said in THIS INTEVIEW that NW banks gave up the search effort within three to six months. You might believe it was somehow magically easy for tellers to manually check all their incoming twenties against a list of ten thousand different numbers on a thirty-four page list. Maybe you should ask some of the tellers. There were comments made here and there in the media back then on how difficult this job was, and how no one was getting paid extra to do it. If it were so easy, they would have continued it for a lot longer than a few months.

The Treasury Department official I interviewed by phone (27 years on the job) almost laughed at me when I asked him about the Cooper bill search. 'Do you know how much cash is delivered to us each week?' he said. When Himmelsbach claimed 'they' were looking for the money for years, this means only the FBI was looking, and they don't have access to Printing and Engraving in DC, which is where all the old bills end up.

The bottom line here, no matter your protests, is that basically NO ONE was looking for, or comparing bills from that list within six months after the hijacking. The FBI says so, in the statements by Larry Carr. After that time, the hijacker could have passed them off any number of ways. In fact, it would not be difficult at all. A bill search only works when someone is still searching...;)

18C says in part:

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'You are not only wrong, (Jo) your paranoia is quite disturbing!'



I believe you aren't Galen Cook for two reasons. First, if you WERE Cook, you would be found out sooner or later, and I don't think the real Cook would want to be viewed as dishonest, and come back (and then try denying he was Cook) after being perma-banned from Dropzone already. Two, the Google Map in your profile shows a location in New South Wales, Australia. So you must be from Australia. Or maybe it was just the random point and was not adjusted. But just in case you are from Down Under, nice place and welcome. I know an oceanographer currently working down in Tasmania on a research grant, and I have a friend doing college in Sydney. If you aren't from Australia, (and I'm not asking) I will take your word anyway that you aren't Galen Cook.


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Robert99

*********Just making sure you guys are staying honest over there...:)



While you are at it, you could also make sure that you stay honest on this site.


18C is Galen Cook! Up to his old games AGAIN!

Maybe, but RobertMBlevins is still RobertMBlevins.

No on the first one. Can't help on the second.

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There were many reports of bank tellers complaining about the difficulty of checking each and every twenty-dollar bill that passed across their station each day.

. . . . . .

You might believe it was somehow magically easy for tellers to manually check all their incoming twenties against a list of ten thousand different numbers on a thirty-four page list.



Blevins, The tellers did not have to check "all their incoming twenties".

They only had to check the twenties for three specific years.

But you would know that already if you read posts on this thread other than your own.

Robert99

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*********Just making sure you guys are staying honest over there...:)



While you are at it, you could also make sure that you stay honest on this site.


18C is Galen Cook! Up to his old games AGAIN!

Maybe, but RobertMBlevins is still RobertMBlevins.

Kinda been like that since I popped into the world back in that California hospital. (They had already picked my name in advance)

You can believe what you wish on the bills regarding easy or hard degree of difficulty on a search. But the FBI says the banks gave it up (mostly) within about three months and virtually all of them within six months after the list was issued. The tough-or-easy concept is debatable. The facts of the actual length of the search are not. Still means the hijacker could have passed them off within a reasonable amount of time. And it would have been even a BIGGER headache for Treasury. The Treasury official stated that no matter what the FBI claimed, that such a search would have gone on for no more than a few weeks, if that. The main reason is the sheer number of bills that come into the place. It would be a logistical nightmare.


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***There were many reports of bank tellers complaining about the difficulty of checking each and every twenty-dollar bill that passed across their station each day.

. . . . . .

You might believe it was somehow magically easy for tellers to manually check all their incoming twenties against a list of ten thousand different numbers on a thirty-four page list.



Blevins, The tellers did not have to check "all their incoming twenties".

They only had to check the twenties for three specific years.

But you would know that already if you read posts on this thread other than your own.

Robert99

Am I right in thinking it's been established already the list of serial numbers the banks received was in sequential order? Meaning checking for a specific bill number involved just looking for where it should appear in the list and not checking every single number?

What were the 3 years of the $20 bank notes found by Brian Ingram? Were they 1969, 1970 and 1971?

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******There were many reports of bank tellers complaining about the difficulty of checking each and every twenty-dollar bill that passed across their station each day.

. . . . . .

You might believe it was somehow magically easy for tellers to manually check all their incoming twenties against a list of ten thousand different numbers on a thirty-four page list.



Blevins, The tellers did not have to check "all their incoming twenties".

They only had to check the twenties for three specific years.

But you would know that already if you read posts on this thread other than your own.

Robert99

Am I right in thinking it's been established already the list of serial numbers the banks received was in sequential order? Meaning checking for a specific bill number involved just looking for where it should appear in the list and not checking every single number?

What were the 3 years of the $20 bank notes found by Brian Ingram? Were they 1969, 1970 and 1971?

A single picture can say a lot. Attached: A single page from the 34-page list of the ransom bills that was provided to NW banks, Federal Reserve banks, and certain casinos. Since the years involved were close to the year of the hijacking, it is safe to assume that tellers had to check MOST of their incoming twenties. Too bad they didn't give Cooper a bunch of bills from say...1957. They would have been easier to track. :)


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*********There were many reports of bank tellers complaining about the difficulty of checking each and every twenty-dollar bill that passed across their station each day.

. . . . . .

You might believe it was somehow magically easy for tellers to manually check all their incoming twenties against a list of ten thousand different numbers on a thirty-four page list.



Blevins, The tellers did not have to check "all their incoming twenties".

They only had to check the twenties for three specific years.

But you would know that already if you read posts on this thread other than your own.

Robert99

Am I right in thinking it's been established already the list of serial numbers the banks received was in sequential order? Meaning checking for a specific bill number involved just looking for where it should appear in the list and not checking every single number?

What were the 3 years of the $20 bank notes found by Brian Ingram? Were they 1969, 1970 and 1971?

A single picture can say a lot. Attached: A single page from the 34-page list of the ransom bills that was provided to NW banks, Federal Reserve banks, and certain casinos. Since the years involved were close to the year of the hijacking, it is safe to assume that tellers had to check MOST of their incoming twenties. Too bad they didn't give Cooper a bunch of bills from say...1957. They would have been easier to track. :)
Though not the easiest to read, the numbers on the list appear to be in sequential order - making the checking process far less a nightmare than otherwise.

I asked what the years of the bills were in an effort to estimate what % of the day-to-day $20 bills the banks handled those years might have constituted.

Assuming the years on the ransom money were the most recent - that is 1969, 1970 & 1971 - and that $20 bills had a fairly short service life, those years may have constituted a very high % of the overall $20 being handled by the banks at the time.

Having said that, it still seems rather amazing not one of the 10,000 notes - outside of what Brian found of course - was ever found in circulation. It has to point at DBC not having ever got to spend any.

BUT...Then again, how the hell did that money get to Tena Bar within a year or so of Brian finding it in 1980???

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The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth



Robert you didn't say that, but I now known the truth, but more than likely the government will never let it be known.

Duane was involved with a group of guys with AWARE.
Air Base Constuctors.


They were involved in the construction of air bases for the government. To include the airstrips and some of the building in and on government facilities, with one of these located in Nevada..

Contrary to rumors this was not a facility to hide UFO's, but to conduct experiments on new aircraft.

This group was not a government group, but contracted by the government....some where ex-cons and some ex-military. Some just wanted to be part of the war efforts in some way...and some just needed work to provide for their families.

Some of these men remained life long friends because they could only talk about what they did within their own circle.

I now know that most of the individuals Duane mentioned were connect to this group and their efforts.

Duane was a troubled young man who was thrust into this because of his strong need to be part of the effort even though he just did NOT fit in the military....He was eager to please as was the man I knew and married in 1978.

Some of the people I met from his past had a connections to AWARE. I was totally naive about any of this but it was a part of his life before I was 20 yrs old.

I now know what Duane tried desperately to tell me during those last 5 yrs and mostly in the last yr of his life. The secrets that our government kept.

A man who worked with the government had a long conversation with me about 3 yrs before he died. What he told me was vague, but he tried to get the government to acknowledge the efforts of a different kind of hero - those who could not be acknowledged in 1968 by the U.S.Government. When I started to understand this 3 yrs later I contact the man's brother - he knew what his brother had tried to do before his death.

A handful of these men would remain loyal to their small group till they died.

I do NOT know if any of them are still alive and if so they would be in their 80's and 90's now.

There was a few yrs ago some members who tried to get acknowledgement of the activities they conducted and contributed to.

The only things released by the U.S.Government in recent yrs was to explain the experiments in Reno and the Nevada area - but, it was white washed by our government even then.

The US did not want to admit to the truths.

THe skyjacking of a 727 in Nov of 1971 had continually been covered-up because of the individuals involved....and the man on the street nor the FBI agents would have no knowledge of their involvements.

Some of these individuals were questioned regarding the skyjacking, but then someone decided to WHITE WASH the truths...Now I know why Knoss continually screamed WHITE WASH to me.

He was not in his right mind & I do not know his status to this day...but, I do believe buried within his memory the truths had real roots. He created myths and stories, but within them was some real memories.

Other individuals tried to contact me but, using fake names & odd stories, but they all went in the same direction. I do not know how many of the men I may actually have met over the yrs connected to their efforts to protect but do no harm...but they did have one farewell get-to-gether and that is when I met people I now know were involve in other actions - coverts or secret groups and actions the US Government never acknowledged and never will.

There was only one Cooper, but there were many heros involved in the things they did....there was also many who did things they should NOT have done and was not sanctioned by the group (call it an organization for lack of another word to use).

This group would not disband in it entirety until the 1980's. Everyone knew they were on their own and they could never tell what they did - note this involved far more than a skyjacking.

There are the naive who would like to believe NO such group of men existed and call them by many names. Some were just common criminals for hire, but each action was thought to be a contribution. Some sanctioned and some not....but they had a pac and they kept that pac...

I realize now I attended 2 functions designed to appear to be just a party, but knowing the individuals who were in attendance (after the fact)- this was more than just happen chance. They were very diversified - some became very important people, but they were bound by one thread. Within the boundaries of the law they would be called many names and some considered criminals.

What they did was NOT within the law - it was outside of the law, but it was the right thing to do - at least in each man's own eyes or as groups.

Now, I know, but like Duane - the truths will more than likely die with me. I tried to do what I thought was the right thing to do, but there was still individuals who could have been prosecuted, but I was NOT aware of what I had stepped into.

I can wish that the GOVERMENT would acknowledge these individuals, but be assure they never will.

All of you can make whoever you wish to be Cooper, but NONE of you will ever be able to prove a specific person was Cooper....there are still a couple left who are still alive and both tried to tell me, but I did not hear them - only because I did not see the whole picture.

Now I think I do - and wish those still living thought they could trust me with the truth - actually they have, but could not reveal themselves. I know 2 who are still alive, but do not live in the USA. Will they leave the truths behind? I do not know. I think one of them is trying to write the tell ALL book to be published after his death.

So have fun trying to put this all together - you will get NO where. With media sources as they exist today - hopefully this one person will leave the book to be remembered & tell ALL of the stories.

I truely hope so & that he gives everyone credit where credit is due and tells all the dirty secrets they felt forced to keep - to preserve the truths as they knew them...and the real stories are acknowledged.

So many have taken the secrets with them to preserve the freedom of the others - but, truely hope the last ones down will tell the truth in its entirety.

The stories of these men are so vast and diverified I doubt all they did will be acknowledged, but the stories need to be told.

This goes way beyond a skyjacking.

Have fun, but remember some of these men were actually heros & some where just common criminals out to make a buck & to use what they knew to make a life for themselves.

Some who would be considered to be common criminals and murders may actually have been doing what they thought was the right thing to do considering the circumstances.
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'Though not the easiest to read, the numbers on the list appear to be in sequential order - making the checking process far less a nightmare than otherwise.'



Robert says: Unless you were asked to check a few hundred of them a day or more, depending on how busy your bank was that day.

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'I asked what the years of the bills were in an effort to estimate what % of the day-to-day $20 bills the banks handled those years might have constituted.'



Robert says: Fifty percent might be a good guess. I might say more.

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'Assuming the years on the ransom money were the most recent - that is 1969, 1970 & 1971 - and that $20 bills had a fairly short service life, those years may have constituted a very high % of the overall $20 being handled by the banks at the time.'



Robert says: Correct. Which means tellers were scanning that 34-page list at a busy rate. And probably not in front of customers, so when? Between customers? On their lunch hour? After work? A lot of twenties pass across a teller's cage in a day, especially in the days before ATM's were common. That wasn't meant to be facetious. It's reality. Tellers complained, were overworked on this task, and the banks dodged it ASAP, more or less. For a bank to do this check on twenties for six months, my kudos to them.

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'Having said that, it still seems rather amazing not one of the 10,000 notes - outside of what Brian found of course - was ever found in circulation. It has to point at DBC not having ever got to spend any.'



Robert says: No it doesn't. Not necessarily. If no one is actually LOOKING for the bills via serial numbers after a maximum of six months, then how could you possibly know if they were spent? Answer: You wouldn't. When bills wear out, banks ship them off to the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, where they are destroyed. Everyone believes the $200,000 given to Cooper was special somehow, and that just because the numbers were recorded and given to banks means they should have turned up. But who will turn any up if no one is looking? ;)

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'BUT...Then again, how the hell did that money get to Tena Bar within a year or so of Brian finding it in 1980???'



Robert says: Unknown. In my opinion, the Tina Bar money actually creates more questions than it answers.


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"...Having said that, it still seems rather amazing not one of the 10,000 notes - outside of what Brian found of course - was ever found in circulation. It has to point at DBC not having ever got to spend any.

BUT...Then again, how the hell did that money get to Tena Bar within a year or so of Brian finding it in 1980???




Eighteen-C, we've had a lot of discussion here about the money - found and not found - but it is always a delight to revisit the subject.

Some of the highlights of the discussion, at least my view of them, has been the following:

1. Laundering the money:

This can be done in a couple of ways fairly easily, either by using casinos as a method to obtain "clean" money, heading to foreign countries and investing or gambling there, or interacting with the underground economy world-wide. Some economists say that about 30% of all transactions globally are black-market, drugs, guns, or other illegal activity, and "black" money is it own force internationally. There are even laundered financial institutions world-wide, so one never has to go back above ground.


2. Lack of incentives to search

Banks have no real incentive to declare a fraudulent twenty. It's cash out of their pocket, as I do not believe they are reimbursed for the loss. Of course they would get lots of great publicity for catching a Cooper twenty, but it is problematic.


3. Inherent difficulty in spotting a Cooper twenty.

Despite your claim in your post, it is my understanding that the list of numbers are not sequential. My list certainly is not, and it comes from the back of Tosaw's book.

Also, you may be interested in knowing that despite published accounts to the contrary, the money was already catalogued, stacked, packed and waiting for the feds long before the skyjacking. In fact, the FBI had been anticipating this crime, or any similar extortion/hostage scenario, long before Cooper. This information was one of the Big Surprises to be revealed on the DZ back in 2008 by Larry Carr.

It seems that the feds knew they could be stuck strategically if criminals conducted their crimes on weekends, took hostages, and kept them until the banks opened on a Monday morning. Hence, they stockpiled money in FBI field offices around the country, ready for the next ransom demand.


4. Other possibilities about the lack of Cooper money in circulation


The fact that not a single twenty is in circulation is intriguing, and could be a major clue in itself. It suggests a number of wild ideas - could Cooper have made one big cash deal somewhere and exchanged his 196,200 dollars for something else?

Could he have further blackmailed the USG into giving him fresh money for not revealing state secrets, ie: illegal activities in Vietnam?

Or my favorite: did Cooper take the twenties to a foreign country, such as the Soviet Union or North Korea, have all the ink bleached off the paper, have them reprinted by an expert counterfeiter as US $100 bills, and reintroduced to the world's financial markets via those state institutions?

How big do you want to take this? The sky's the limit when you get beyond the notion that DB Cooper was a simple crook and acted alone. That may be one of the primary contributions of Jo Weber regarding the disinformation that she spews - getting us to think that DB Cooper was a guy like Duane Weber.

Nah.

Cooper was smarter than the pilots, knew more about the 727 than NWO, and he turned the world on its ear.

You have to think big, I say, to catch DB Cooper.

When you start looking at the Ted Bradens, Peteys, and Don Burnworths of the world, then you are getting closer to the truth. I agree with Robert Ninety-Nine that when we discover DB Cooper, his name may be a complete surprise.

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"...Duane was involved with a group of guys with AWARE.
Air Base Constuctors..."



I must say, Mrs. Cooper, that you caught me UN-AWARE on this one.

But I find something soothing in knowing that there is now a connection between Norjak and Area 51.

Don't you, too, Three-Seven-Seven???

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Hello GALEN - you are back. ONLY U would use Tina's Picture - how OBTUSE!




Mrs. Cooper, why would Galen need to find a way to SNEAK back into the DZ when he has me to do ANY and ALL of his beckoning?

What, you don't think I'm up for the task? Too busy? Hell, I don't work, shave or shower, so I've got all the time in the world to get Galen's Gospel out to the World.

Besides, I have an opinion on just about everything, so why would G-2 try to snakey-snake his way onto these pages?

BTW: I forget what I am, again. If G-2 is a snake in the grass, what am I. Oh, yeah, The Weasel.

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"... In my opinion, the Tina Bar money actually creates more questions than it answers...."



Not to be too picky, Blevs, but what answers, if any, has the money find produced in the Norjak investigation?

I'm at a loss to think of a one. Just more questions, and I love it!

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