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See attached composite drawing which is from Jo.

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Thank YOU but I finally got the BIG one to down load & at almost 400 KB. I must have gotten a little help from Quade on that one...never been able to download that high before...it took me several tries, but it is there NOW!
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***See attached composite drawing which is from Jo.

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Thank YOU but I finally got the BIG one to down load & at almost 400 KB. I must have gotten a little help from Quade on that one...never been able to download that high before...it took me several tries, but it is there NOW!

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Blevins:

The reference photo of Kenney Christensen in a group of four people shows how short he was and could no way be DB Cooper.

He was 5ft 8in and too short to be the 6ft that Cooper is.

Your own photo is the evidence of this problem and therefore he is not a valid suspect!

KENNEY WAS TOO SHORT, TOO SHORT, TOO SHORT, TOO SHORT

Bob Sailshaw
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Reference you say: "I've sent the attached picture to Bruce Kitt. It's a picture of Kenny with some of his co-workers, and was taken before red uniforms for stews were implemented."



How do you know for sure that Cooper was six feet? Because a witness told you so? I've seen those items. The descriptions varied. We've been over this point many times.

The sketch is not a photograph. The descriptions varied a bit depending on who was giving it. One guy saw Cooper going to the bathroom a number of times and said he was sure Cooper was no taller than five-nine. I've given the very good example of Gary Ridgway, aka the Green River Killer. His description and three sketches of him hung on the window of the Seven-Eleven where he occasionally shopped. No one recognized him from it. It was also hanging all over the place at the Green River Task Force offices when the cops brought him in for an interview. Even THEY didn't make the connection and Ridgway was sitting right there in front of them. Years later, he was caught by DNA because while he was there, they took some kind of physical sample. When DNA came along, the cops started going back through the samples and testing them. They got a match with Ridgway's.

You're not going to identify DB Cooper forty-three years later from a sketch. Lots of people fit his basic description, which was a bit nondescript anyway. No scars, no tattoos, no major identifying features. You want to know who DB Cooper was, you will have to come up with more than that.

The composite I created is not 'photoshopped'. It's just a cut and paste image. There is some resemblence to the sketch, but in and of itself doesn't prove a thing.

'The Picture' is the one taken of Christiansen as he's walking into the Rainier View Apartments in Sumner, WA, #J-3, carrying a bag and a briefcase. Not the same bag and briefcase used by the hijacker of course. We just think it's strange. It's a standard size print and the developer stamped on the front Feb 72. The Christmas wreath on the door told us it was probably taken between Thanksgiving and Christmas. Kenny looks surprised in the picture. That could be because he lived alone there and someone snapped the photo as he walked into the apartment. Either that, or he did it on a self-timer. If it was a surprise photo, (nothing is written on the back) we think it was snapped by Bernie Geestman.

In the full-size version of the picture, you can see a chair to Kenny's left. There is a copy of (most likely) the Tacoma News Tribune on the chair. Only other possibilities are the Seattle Times (afternoon paper) or the Seattle PI (morning paper). Can't tell what date, but there's a big orange decoration picture or something on the newspaper. A big ad maybe, but the design is unique. It is a round image. You might be able to match it to a specific publication date for one of these papers, but you'd have to check each copy of that paper, every page, over the period of about a month. It's a fair amount of work. Date range to work with (best guess) would be 11/24/1971 to maybe 12/31/1971. I have not done this as yet.


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Starting to be an effort to make a post so I have to start limiting my posts to one or 2 per day. There is NOT a LOT more I can say, but I will hang in as long as I can.

Frankly I am really getting scared about some things and would like to talk to some of you OFF line about throat surgery. I have seen people, but said OH no - NOT me I would rather be dead! Right now it is highly suspect plus the fact I hAVE BEEN A LONG TERM SMOKER. ALWAYS HAD AN EXCUSE FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO QUIT.

I have to have someone take me to procedure and bring me home and I have to PAY for that - I can't afford to pay - but they won't let you drive yourself. CATCHE 22

I have no idea what is going on - just that it is NOT good and I am scared.


I stood with 2 husbands to fight the demons, but this time I will be fighting for my self and with NO ONE to Back me up. Who the hell would miss me any way.

I am just that crazy old delusional woman who claimes her husband was Dan Cooper. NO one cares about the truth but me - and if I can't produce the proof - it all dies with me.

MY Cancer markers have been running high, but the didn't go looking for the source and I didn't think there was much to the markers.... but evidently I was wrong.

I would have been pushing my husbands to pushed the drs., insistening on certain tests but I am just a woman and the doctors have ignored me..2 yrs ago it might not have been too late - now I think it is too late....and any surgery will be too much too late. But the verdict is still out - have 2 more major tests to be done. ...before I cry or sigh. I hope it is some thing they can get with little or no problem - but, most of what I have seen in that area is really rather devastating.

The other problem is a little something the surgeon left undone. JUST an inconvenience and it won't kill me.
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RobertMBlevins

***Blevins:

The reference photo of Kenney Christensen in a group of four people shows how short he was and could no way be DB Cooper.

He was 5ft 8in and too short to be the 6ft that Cooper is.

Your own photo is the evidence of this problem and therefore he is not a valid suspect!

KENNEY WAS TOO SHORT, TOO SHORT, TOO SHORT, TOO SHORT

Bob Sailshaw
[email protected]

Reference you say: "I've sent the attached picture to Bruce Kitt. It's a picture of Kenny with some of his co-workers, and was taken before red uniforms for stews were implemented."



How do you know for sure that Cooper was six feet? Because a witness told you so? I've seen those items. The descriptions varied. We've been over this point many times.



Blevins you haven't seen any FBI testimony! All you have "seen"
are a few anecdotal remarks "about" witness testimony. So stop
making things up.

Likewise you have never given any thought to what "varied"
means in this matter. And yet you are hanging your whole
argument on the word "varied". Varied how? My guess is you do
not want this examined or want to know ... because my guess is
your socalled theory would go right out the window - poof!

For example, is the variance linear between 5'6" and say 6'1"?
What's the standard error based on n-number of witnesses
whose testimony you claim to have seen (Ive seen those items)?

What is clear is that you don't know what the fuck you are even talking about!

Forget how tall Cooper was or how tall KC was ... you don't even
know how to judge and evaluate witness testimony on height.
You have no concept of standard error in this matter, you
wouldn't know where to even apply it, and very specifically if
Cooper was only 5'8" tall, you can't even tell us what standard
error would have to apply for those witnesses saying Cooper was
6foot to 6'.1" !

Think about it! :D It matters! :S

When you can tell us what "varied" means in some concrete way
that applies to the Cooper case, or any other case, come back
and tell us. Because, you might as well be arguing that Cooper
could have been a "sheep" due to the "varied" witness testimony
you have seen ((Ive seen those items)!

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I'm not going to quote over your comments, Georger. I will only say this. I don't 'make things up' and what I said about the varying witness descriptions is quoted from Geoff Gray's book. He was allowed access. His words in that book are public knowledge.

You want to question him on whether he is quoting the witnesses accurately? You've quoted him on OTHER things, such as your claim that he made negative comments about me. So why don't you believe his statements now on what the witnesses actually gave as descriptions for Cooper? Or perhaps you think Gray is truthful when it's convenient for you, and a liar at other times?

Should I quote those sections from Gray's book again? Haven't you seen them enough already? Have you not READ THE BOOK?

All three stews gave different combinations from the FBI's Facial Identification Catalog. At least two gave varying descriptions on height. Neither did the passengers agree on the description of the hijacker, or how tall he was. Gray says this in his book. It's plain as day. So shouldn't you be going to the source instead of me?

I believe Gray when he said he met with the Seattle FBI and was allowed access to the original witness reports. And I believe his assessment of the same. If you don't, if you believe he never had access, and his eval on them is either a lie or inaccurate, you should take it up with him.


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RobertMBlevins

I'm not going to quote over your comments, Georger. I will only say this. I don't 'make things up' and what I said about the varying witness descriptions is quoted from Geoff Gray's book. He was allowed access. His words in that book are public knowledge.

You want to question him on whether he is quoting the witnesses accurately? You've quoted him on OTHER things, such as your claim that he made negative comments about me. So why don't you believe his statements now on what the witnesses actually gave as descriptions for Cooper? Or perhaps you think Gray is truthful when it's convenient for you, and a liar at other times?

Should I quote those sections from Gray's book again? Haven't you seen them enough already? Have you not READ THE BOOK?

All three stews gave different combinations from the FBI's Facial Identification Catalog. At least two gave varying descriptions on height. Neither did the passengers agree on the description of the hijacker, or how tall he was. Gray says this in his book. It's plain as day. So shouldn't you be going to the source instead of me?

I believe Gray when he said he met with the Seattle FBI and was allowed access to the original witness reports. And I believe his assessment of the same. If you don't, if you believe he never had access, and his eval on them is either a lie or inaccurate, you should take it up with him.



Fair enough. So if Gray is vague about this and cant define
"varied" in any meaningful way, and you are relying on Gray,
well then ....

Ive mentioned before that Gray has little or no technical
background. Tom and I (and others) ran into this with him.

But, rather than run you or Gray down, I need to say issues like
this really do matter.

Here's another example. Where would the greatest error in
witness testimony about height be? 5'6"-6'.0", 5'8"-6'.0",
5'.10"-6'.1"? Would a person 5'8? next to two tall women
be more likely to be judged less than 6' tall than a man
5'10" inches? This is where variance enters the picture in a
very real way, and more error is more likely to occur between
5'10" and 6-feet, than say between 5'6" and 5 feet. It's the
difference between a gross comparison vs. a fine comparison.

Gray never defines what he means by "variance". Or among all
those who gave testimony on the subject what the actual range
was and who fell where in the range. Gray would probably never
think to parse the matter is those terms. Gray is making a very
gross statement which may have little meaning at all.

Its fertile territory for discussion and Im sure there are a
thousand opinions ...

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I'm sure there are a lot of questions. Good thing I took the day off tomorrow. It's late.

Non-Cooper: If you forgot your mom, you'd better start looking for overnight shipping options. It's Mothers' Day soon and my mom is definitely cooler than yours. I like to think so, anyway. B| Fixed her up, no worries.
I had to say something about dad as well. He would thump me if I didn't.



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The sketch is not a photograph. The descriptions varied a bit depending on who was giving it. One guy saw Cooper going to the bathroom a number of times and said he was sure Cooper was no taller than five-nine.



The question is how literal do you want to take that statement. "No taller than five-nine" would allow for a person to be five-eight, but also five-two, four feet, or even one inch tall. I suspect that what the witness was really saying was he believed the hijacker to be about 5'9". That is the shortest of any of the witnesses, but because he added "no taller than", you use that to include a suspect shorter than every witness's recollection.

Also, some of the descriptions (particularly the flight attendants) were not just something they were asked to recall later. They most likely purposefully made mental notes about the height, hair color, weight, etc. of the suspect contemporaneously. And, as Carr says, the descriptions given by Flo and Tina are very similar.

Even you have to admit, Robert, you have to squint pretty hard to make Kenny fit as a suspect -- too short, too white, too bald. And, by all accounts -- especially yours since you interviewed many of his friends -- he was a good guy. A guy who never showed any inkling of attempting this kind of major crime.

It's interesting...if, when you were interviewing Bernie Geestman, and you brought up that you researching Kenny being tied to the hijacking, if he would have said "That's pretty funny. I used to kid him all the time because he looked just like that picture. But, Kenny and I were camping together when it happened, so I think I would have known about it if he did it", you probably wouldn't have written your book. But because he didn't want to admit what they were doing, you've tied him to a major hijacking.

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One of those pictures you got from JO WEBER - HOW do I KNOW that?

Study if very very well - I can prove one of those is a COPY of one I used that the FBI sent me! Remember I had them with me when I had my AUTO accident!

The NOTE book went crashing to the floor of the car...IN all of MY pain it took ALL I could do to secure those pictures and my note book - I refused to let go of it. Even in the ER I refused to let it out of my site.
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ParrotheadVol

Why is "the picture" important and who put Feburary on it?



I thought I explained that with the picture itself. It had a caption I added to it. I've attached a copy without a caption, and instead I'll try to explain in this post.

I wouldn't call the picture necessarily 'important,' (unless it turns out that KC really was Cooper). We like to call it 'interesting'.

It was found behind another photograph in one of KC's albums after he died. It's actually a standard snapshot, the old type with a white border. Along the bottom (back in the day) the developer would often stamp the month and year the photo was actually developed. On this one it says: FEB 72.

But the Christmas wreath hanging on the door led Porteous and I to believe the photo was probably taken between Thanksgiving and Christmas 1971. Could be after New Years, but most people take down their wreaths pretty soon after Christmas. With the developer date stamped on it, logic says this is the most likely time range the photo was snapped.

We know KC lived alone at the J-3 unit. But he looks a bit surprised in the photo. So we figure either someone was waiting in the apartment (who had a key), or KC did it on a self-timer and just posed the picture that way.

There is nothing written on the back of the picture.

It could be coincidence, of course...but the picture also shows KC carrying the same basic items carried by the hijacker, i.e. a paper bag and a briefcase. Too bad he didn't fill in a little info on the back of the photo like 'Ha Ha Ha...I got away with it,' or something. :)
In and of itself it's just a funny coincidence. A guy who has been accused of the hijacking who hid away a picture of himself...taken most likely shortly after the date of the crime, and carrying the same type of items carried by the hijacker...with a weird look on his face. We do NOT believe the paper bag and the briefcase were the same ones used in the hijacking. (I've been asked that a number of times)

I guess that's everything. That's why we call it The Picture.


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The sketch is not a photograph. The descriptions varied a bit depending on who was giving it. One guy saw Cooper going to the bathroom a number of times and said he was sure Cooper was no taller than five-nine.



The question is how literal do you want to take that statement. "No taller than five-nine" would allow for a person to be five-eight, but also five-two, four feet, or even one inch tall. I suspect that what the witness was really saying was he believed the hijacker to be about 5'9". That is the shortest of any of the witnesses, but because he added "no taller than", you use that to include a suspect shorter than every witness's recollection.

Also, some of the descriptions (particularly the flight attendants) were not just something they were asked to recall later. They most likely purposefully made mental notes about the height, hair color, weight, etc. of the suspect contemporaneously. And, as Carr says, the descriptions given by Flo and Tina are very similar.

Even you have to admit, Robert, you have to squint pretty hard to make Kenny fit as a suspect -- too short, too white, too bald. And, by all accounts -- especially yours since you interviewed many of his friends -- he was a good guy. A guy who never showed any inkling of attempting this kind of major crime.

It's interesting...if, when you were interviewing Bernie Geestman, and you brought up that you researching Kenny being tied to the hijacking, if he would have said "That's pretty funny. I used to kid him all the time because he looked just like that picture. But, Kenny and I were camping together when it happened, so I think I would have known about it if he did it", you probably wouldn't have written your book. But because he didn't want to admit what they were doing, you've tied him to a major hijacking.

As far as Kenny being 'too white,' I can present photos of him showing a good tan. I also have his letter where he talks about getting tanned on the beaches in Japan while on NWA layovers. Height? Who can know for sure? Stressed-out stews who thought they might be blown up in midair at any moment? Having to deal with the crew, the passengers, the hijacker, messages coming from the FBI etc on the ground in Seattle? This is not anything like a normal situation.

Witness Bill Mitchell (poorly interviewed by WSHM) alludes to the idea the hijacker may have been wearing a toupee. Fred Poynter may be one hell of a curator, but he's a lousy interviewer.

I see your comments on Geestman, but let's stick to the facts here. When Geestman first hears that I'm not actually doing a simple biographical book on Kenny's life, but instead KC's being investigated for Cooper...what does he do?

He promises to send pictures of he and Kenny together. (He never does)

He ends the interview a minute later. Subjective observation: He turns white as a sheet and gets nervous as he's ending the interview.

He knows I have already interviewed his sister Dawn Androsko. (Because we discussed the cash loan between KC and his sister) The next day he calls her and tells her she must retract everything she told me in her interview.

Marisa Kagan, a research assistant and associate producer for the Decoded show, contacts Androsko for a possible appearance on the show. Androsko tells her about Bernie's phone call. Kagan asks if she will go on film and tell her story. She says she doesn't want to testify against her own brother, but also tells Kagan she sticks by her statements she gave me in her interview.

Kagan calls Bernie Geestman. He tells her 'I hardly knew Kenny. I thought he was a dishwasher.' Kagan responds by sending him her phone number in LA along with a package of twenty large photos showing he and Kenny either working together on Shemya or hanging out in the years that followed. Photo date range is about 1949-1970.

Geestman calls Kagan and says he will appear on Decoded.

I drive to Twisp, WA and do the first interview with his ex-wife Margie Geestman. I have already contacted a senior exec at Foss Tugs to confirm Bernie's claim that he was out to sea for months at a time in 1971 as a diesel mechanic.
Foss Tugs says 'no way'.

This gives me the idea to ask Margie Geestman if Bernie had any work records related to Foss. She drags out a big box of blue logbooks Bernie had from his work at Foss. All of the logbooks are there, EXCEPT the one from 1971.

When I asked Margie to explain this, she says he must have took them in the burglary. (She had installed padlocks on many of the interior doors of the house, as well as the entry doors) She claimed that about a month after Kenny died, that Bernie had broken in and taken several photo albums, business papers, and other items. She said she did not know the logbook was missing until that moment.

Geestman goes on Decoded. He tells one outright lie, and offers a statement that doesn't make sense. The lie is when he claims he was at KC's deathbed. KC died at home in the care of Robin Powell and his then-wife Carolyn Powell. (Now Tyner) Tyner says in a 2012 interview that only Kenny's doctor and Lyle Christiansen ever visited, and goes into some detail on the circumstances of Kenny's death. (He suffered a lot and required much personal care)

The statement that makes no sense is when he tells Decoded that yes...Kenny could be the hijacker, and that Kenny looks just like the sketch. But several witnesses, some of whom haven't spoken in years, all claim Bernie and Kenny were together and missing the week of the hijacking. The obvious question would be: Why didn't Bernie just offer up an alibi for Kenny? He was supposed to be on the show to demonstrate he had nothing to do with the hijacking, but instead tosses Kenny under the bus. Later, he asks for six free copies of the book, which he receives. More than three years later, the family is now divided. Bernie Geestman's side of the family are well aware of the accusations made against him. They have been totally silent on it, even though they could easily file a defamation suit. But then...Bernie would have to answer some pointed questions. Meanwhile, Dawn Androsko's side of the family believes that Bernie and Kenny were involved in the hijacking, although they don't know for sure. And Margie Geestman, the only person besides her ex-husband who would know the truth, sells her ranch for nearly a half-million bucks to the WA State Fish and Game and bails town, instructing her lawyer and the bank officer who handled the sale to not reveal her present whereabouts. And in case you're thinking she did this because of me, you would be wrong. She knew in October 2010 that I was never coming back for another interview. In her LAST interview she finally admits it WAS Kenny who went missing that week with Bernie.

Skipp Porteous and I believe one thing if nothing else. That enough evidence has been presented that the FBI should at least run their sample of Lyle Christiansen's DNA and compare it to the partial profile from the tie. Either that, or bring all these people to their office in Seattle and get to the truth once and for all. We think this isn't too much to ask, considering what's been presented on Kenny.

Meh. They probably never will.

I gotta go. I've already posted more than my share today.


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Robert, if Kenny was not the hijacker, would you still expect Bernie to remember being with him on that weekend???? Obviously, if they did the job, he would remember that. But, if they simply went camping, would you really expect him to remember that he was with Kenny on that particular weekend, 43 years ago???

I'll buy your explanation of "the picture". But, I see nothing in that picture that ties Kenny to the hijacking. Nothing.
"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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Robert, if Kenny was not the hijacker, would you still expect Bernie to remember being with him on that weekend???? Obviously, if they did the job, he would remember that. But, if they simply went camping, would you really expect him to remember that he was with Kenny on that particular weekend, 43 years ago???

I'll buy your explanation of "the picture". But, I see nothing in that picture that ties Kenny to the hijacking. Nothing.



Bernie Geestman was well aware on why he was asked to appear on Decoded. He drove 100 miles or so each way to do so. Associate producer Pete Berg told me that they questioned him for about two hours, but only got five minutes of film they could actually use. Most of the time he sat silent in response to questions. Director would say 'cut' and they would start over. You have to remember that this was a guy who said 'yes' to even appearing because History Channel had already caught him in several lies. And all of those lies were intended to distance himself from both Kenny and the hijacking. When people lie to you, the first thing you should do is ask yourself what is their motivation to lie.

I never said the picture ties Kenny to the hijacking. I just said it was interesting. It's definitely that. As far as this 'camping' story, I don't believe a word of it. Geestman buys the trailer just weeks prior to the hijacking. Instead of bringing it home, he leaves it on property down in Oakville. The only time it is used by Bernie is the week of the hijacking. These men were supposed to go to Thanksgiving dinner with the Jones family, as they had done the year previously, and did the year afterward. The only time it is ever used after THAT is when Helen Jones' family is allowed to use it on their property after their house fire on Christmas Eve, 1972, more than a year later. It was sold soon after repairs were made on the house, to a buyer from Arizona. These two suddenly decide to 'go camping' on Thanksgiving week knowing that Bernie's wife would go through the roof? Doubtful.

It's because of these things, along with a myriad of other information, that I've said the only road to the truth is for the Seattle FBI to question all of these people. Especially Margie Geestman. But they'll have to find her first. :)
EDIT: Do you think we could discuss something BESIDES Kenny Christiansen? I'll assume most of the folks who post here are convinced he wasn't Cooper. So if you are convinced of that, why bring him up? All the basic info on him has been made available. He has not been proven as Cooper. You want to know if he was? Contact the Seattle FBI and ask them to look into it for real. Don't expect me to hand it to you on a silver platter. I did what I could, and after August 9th I will be officially OUT of the DB Cooper business. :)


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***Robert, if Kenny was not the hijacker, would you still expect Bernie to remember being with him on that weekend???? Obviously, if they did the job, he would remember that. But, if they simply went camping, would you really expect him to remember that he was with Kenny on that particular weekend, 43 years ago???

I'll buy your explanation of "the picture". But, I see nothing in that picture that ties Kenny to the hijacking. Nothing.



Bernie
EDIT: Do you think we could discuss something BESIDES Kenny Christiansen? I'll assume most of the folks who post here are convinced he wasn't Cooper. So if you are convinced of that, why bring him up? All the basic info on him has been made available. He has not been proven as Cooper. You want to know if he was? Contact the Seattle FBI and ask them to look into it for real. Don't expect me to hand it to you on a silver platter. I did what I could, and after August 9th I will be officially OUT of the DB Cooper business. :)
So stop posting about KC!

People are only replying to your posts - you made!

Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

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******Robert, if Kenny was not the hijacker, would you still expect Bernie to remember being with him on that weekend???? Obviously, if they did the job, he would remember that. But, if they simply went camping, would you really expect him to remember that he was with Kenny on that particular weekend, 43 years ago???

I'll buy your explanation of "the picture". But, I see nothing in that picture that ties Kenny to the hijacking. Nothing.



Bernie
EDIT: Do you think we could discuss something BESIDES Kenny Christiansen? I'll assume most of the folks who post here are convinced he wasn't Cooper. So if you are convinced of that, why bring him up? All the basic info on him has been made available. He has not been proven as Cooper. You want to know if he was? Contact the Seattle FBI and ask them to look into it for real. Don't expect me to hand it to you on a silver platter. I did what I could, and after August 9th I will be officially OUT of the DB Cooper business. :)
So stop posting about KC!

People are only replying to your posts - you made!

Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

You feel threatened by the possibility Kenny was Cooper? Sounds like it to me. I understand this better than you think. Actually solving the case would mean you would have nowhere to go, nobody to slam on. I'll bet your biggest fear is that the Seattle FBI might actually check out Kenny and question the witnesses. Your lies about Geoff Gray and hundreds of personal (and negative) comments about me shows you have a personal agenda and its name is Robert. Perhaps if you hadn't gone 110% negative on every post, people might listen to you. But your agenda is obvious.

If you were any kind of 'real' civilian investigator into the Cooper case, you would want an outside entity to check out Christiansen. Chances are it would end up as KC not being Cooper anyway, and that we were all wrong about him.

This concept of checking KC officially seems to scare you to death, and it is nothing but puzzling. You've slammed on me regarding Marla Cooper, who came to the table with nothing but old memories supported by exactly no one else who was there. What have you to fear on Christiansen?

You are afraid. That is for sure. This also proves that it is not the truth you seek so much, but the chase for the answer itself. And you can't stand it that somebody who scrubs floors for a living and isn't a math whiz might have the answer. So you go after him every chance you get and by doing so, only makes you look worse. Drives you nuts, I'll bet.

But anything that might offer the finish line on that chase you avoid like the plague. You want to know if Kenny was Cooper? The answer is obvious. He has to be checked out, the witnesses questioned, as I've said all along. :)


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*********Robert, if Kenny was not the hijacker, would you still expect Bernie to remember being with him on that weekend???? Obviously, if they did the job, he would remember that. But, if they simply went camping, would you really expect him to remember that he was with Kenny on that particular weekend, 43 years ago???

I'll buy your explanation of "the picture". But, I see nothing in that picture that ties Kenny to the hijacking. Nothing.



Bernie
EDIT: Do you think we could discuss something BESIDES Kenny Christiansen? I'll assume most of the folks who post here are convinced he wasn't Cooper. So if you are convinced of that, why bring him up? All the basic info on him has been made available. He has not been proven as Cooper. You want to know if he was? Contact the Seattle FBI and ask them to look into it for real. Don't expect me to hand it to you on a silver platter. I did what I could, and after August 9th I will be officially OUT of the DB Cooper business. :)
So stop posting about KC!

People are only replying to your posts - you made!

Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

You feel threatened by the possibility Kenny was Cooper? Sounds like it to me. I understand this better than you think. Actually solving the case would mean you would have nowhere to go, nobody to slam on. I'll bet your biggest fear is that the Seattle FBI might actually check out Kenny and question the witnesses.

If you were any kind of 'real' civilian investigator into the Cooper case, you would want this. Chances are it would end up as KC not being Cooper, and that we were all wrong about him. This concept of checking KC officially seems to scare you to death, and it is nothing but puzzling. You've slammed on me regarding Marla Cooper, who came to the table with nothing but old memories supported by exactly no one else who was there. What have you to fear on Christiansen?

You are afraid. That is for sure. This also proves that it is not the truth you seek so much, but the chase for the answer itself. But anything that might offer the finish line on that chase you avoid like the plague. You want to know if Kenny was Cooper? The answer is obvious. He has to be checked out, the witnesses questioned, as I've said all along. :)
Oh! Ok so there you go again violating your own request to stop
talking about KC!

Funny.

Play it again Sam - including the requests to stop talking about
KC which you can't stop doing!

Simon says: You're nuts Blevins. And have zero credibility.

Nobody cares. :S:S:S:S:S

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'Simon says: You're nuts Blevins. And have zero credibility.'



That's what YOU say. It's a personal opinion on your part and nothing more.

Here's what I believe: People have generally seen through you. You're a shill who has pulled out all the stops in a pathetic effort to discredit. You falsely quoted Geoff Gray with negative comments about me (scores of times) without offering a shred of proof. You've been slamming on other people since your 2009 posts at Science dot com, you are scrabbling in the gutter but no longer have any answers.

You should just admit you lied about Geoff Gray before I get tired of it and post his emails. How about that? You want to talk credibility? We can start there. You really should offer an apology and we can move forward from that point.


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Blevins NO ONE on this thread feels threatened by the possibility of KC being Cooper. NOT ONE person has found any credibility regarding YOUR story. IOTA!

Your PRIME witnesses IF one could call them that - will NOT make themselves available. As the writer & interviewer - IF YOU can NOT document what U have written - U are the one telling a fantasy story.

YOU have living witnesses - so you say!
WELL, time is wasting - MONEY talks & U know DAMN well u CAN find Geestman.
Getting him to talk to anyone after U twisted everything for a story -that is another story.

AS it is YOU have written a fantasy & you WILL NOT make any ATTEMPTS to bring your WITNESSES (or KC's accusor) forward).

I HAVE nothing, BUT, I have MORE than you have. All I Have is the life I LIVED with Duane, his past & his confession.

I CANNOT prove the confession - but, AT LEAST I have my memory & I remember the stories he told me & the things he said & what others told me & my 18 yr research about his secret life.

A man who could for 18 yrs KEEP his past from his wife - has to be PRETTY GOOD at covering his ASS! Unlike many women - I take the person for what they are....Duane was a loving and giving person and he always tried to please everyone.

Duane Weber told me "I'mmm Dannn Cooooper". I will never forget those words as LONG as I will - not ever!

I am not out there co-ercing any possible witnesses or writing a book or promoting Weber. Every day of my life - I ask myself & look at his picture and ask "WHY ME?" WHY didn't you just keep your DAMN secret?" I put his picture & memories on a shelf BEHIND a door and packed the other stuff up - but the question will haunt me for the rest of my life.

IF U really wanted to solve this you would contact and find Geestman or make it possible for others to do so. I do NOT want to discredit you.

I want to talk to Geestman & his ex-wife & I have a personal reasons - because of the things Duane said to me on that trip. I just found it ODD regarding the woman who rode horses, the park and the fact that Geestman was according to you living in the very place Duane told me about - and Geestman worked for Foss. Duane took me to a place on the river - a green tank - guess what that tank was for? This is when he told me about the tug boats & Foss!

In 1979 - I was told these same things, but the name of the man was not mentioned.....this strange co-incidence is the ONLY reason I have to contact him - NOT to discredit you. I expect Geestman is getting pretty old now & in poor health.

The ONLY thing I want RIGHT NOW in my life is to come face to face with Geestman & Margaret ALONE with no recorders....complete privacy! They can record it if they wish for their own protection - I will not.

He may never have known the REAL name of his old friend, but he will remember him - perhaps it was more than just an old friend? HOW much do YOU know about GEESTMAN's past? YOU have NOT ever stated GEESTMAN's entire history - where he was born and where he went to school and if he was ever in trouble as a boy or in jail for anything! Was he in the service - when , where and how long. What Jobs has he held since he was 18 yrs old.

YOU tell the READERS and the PUBLIC nothing about your KEY "Witnesses" and your witnesses will NOT talk to anyone and you keep their locations secret. Well, how is the FBI supposed to investigate?

Odd I knew about the woman who rode horses and the man who worked with the Tugs - Odd that in 1979 Duane told me about the park - ALL in one CONVERSATION!

As for Margaret - I think I actually met her between - 1990 and 1993. WHY the fricking HELL do you think I asked about pictures of how she looked during that time frame. Why did her husband of the time or boy friend of the time or son bring her to SEE Duane? Only the woman was there when I arrived & I only had a few moments. One had driven in and the other had flown in (I just remembered this at this very moment). When the memory is forced to remember things it can do so! There was something about a rental and waiting for the other party.

WHY I asked for pictures of Magaret during that time frame - BUT you ignored me. I describe the suit she had on and that her hair appeared to be dyed at that time. (I have even tried to describe the suit she had on). Need to know the name she uses - I need to find both Magaret and Geestman...and for my own personal reasons. What they tell me can be behind closed doors - with no recordings and with pre-arranged confidentially papers signed. I just need to know how Duane knew them...and under what name they knew him.


I need to know who the man was I spent 18 yrs of my life with. Duane was a thief, but he was REALLY not a bad man!
Stange Cocktail that is. He was loved by all who know him - NO ONE other than one Ex-wife had ONE bad word to say about Duane L. Weber or "Johnnie" as one called him.

If anyone can arrange for me to meet with them or help me find them....I think Margaret might be living in my area....or in CA -please help. The woman who came to see Duane had family or friends here...she knew Duane from WA and Duane mentioned the horses right in front of me...The woman was a sweet person.

I was in a rush and had to get back to work - I spent all of 10 minutes if that long at the shop that day.

ANYONE WHO THINKS THEY CAN HELP ME FIND THESE PE0PLE - PLEASE DO SO. WE WILL HAVE ONE MEETING & THE RESULTS OF THE CONVERSATION ARE UP TO THEM...IF THEY WANT TO KEEP IT BETWEEN THE 3 OF US - THAT IS OKAY, I JUST NEED SOME ANSWERS - THAT IS ALL.

I want only peace in my life right now for what ever remaining time I might have on this earth...I am 74 yrs old & the people who knew Duane if they are still alive would be 16 yrs older than myself. 90 yrs old plus - so what is the FRICKING chance (if they are still alive) their mentality is still entact?

I guess I will never know the truths - but it is NOT fair....Damn Weber, why did he have to marry me? Damn those who hold secrets - just DAMN Damn Damn.

Someone else stated this about Blevins and I KNOW it is true:

" Actually solving the case would mean you would have nowhere to go, nobody to slam on. I'll bet your biggest fear is that the Seattle FBI might actually check out Kenny and question the witnesses. Your lies about Geoff Gray and hundreds of personal (and negative) comments about me shows you have a personal agenda and its name is Robert. Perhaps if you hadn't gone 110% negative on every post, people might listen to you. But your agenda is obvious."

So very very true & I agree 100%
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Do you think we could discuss something BESIDES Kenny Christiansen? I'll assume most of the folks who post here are convinced he wasn't Cooper. So if you are convinced of that, why bring him up? All the basic info on him has been made available. He has not been proven as Cooper. You want to know if he was? Contact the Seattle FBI and ask them to look into it for real. Don't expect me to hand it to you on a silver platter. I did what I could, and after August 9th I will be officially OUT of the DB Cooper business.



How MANY TIME HAVE WE HEARD YOU SAY SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS?

"I did what I could, and after August 9th I will be officially OUT of the DB Cooper business"

[:/] You have never done the MOST important THING. VALIDATE your witnesses! ALL we have is YOUR word and YOUR witnesses won't even TALK to anyone!

You humiliated them with your story - they never expected you to twist their words they way you did or to make the interpretations you did.


AUG 9th - at least WE have a countdown date - HOW many TIME have U said something similar to this?

Why NOT right NOW? WHAT are you WAITING for - well, U are waiting for your KEY witness to die! That is what you are waiting for. YOU are COLD and CALCULATING!
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Everytime Blevins gets backed into a corner - Danielle POPS up.

I think Danielle is actually Blevins or his girlfrend - it is a tactic used to break the cycle every time Blevins has strongly been put on the offensive.

This pattern for Danielle does NOT fit.
Remember that I have a granddaughter with a similar issue & I am aware each case is different. Therefore Danielle if I am wrong I apologize up front.

Danielle conveniently shows up when Blevins has been sizzling on the grill for several hours.

Generallly there is a pattern, but with Danielle there is NO pattern - just when Blevins is taking the heat. Note the time of the days or nights of the postings.

Danielle has no pattern....only when Belvins is backed into a corner.

Would be interested to know exactly how the DZ can track these things.

I was told others can't track me because I use a telephone connect thru AOL. And since Blevins is so computer savy though maybe he was using a telephone line with a different computer to make these short postings (note they are always short).

I just find the postings ODD due to the context, time of day or nite. Just ODD this kid is always there and presumably reading everything that is written. I think it is Blevins himself - he uses the KID to get him out of TIGHT spots & needs to make disconnects (in thoughts).

Also unusual that a Gmail address is used.

To Danielle:
Danielle. sorry if I am wrong, but when one is checking out the creditability of someone - involved in making statements about an old crime - leave NO stone unturned....when you find something with a specific pattern - check it out.

I believe Blevins only REASON for being involved is to PROMOTE a book. He didn't even show up here until he was writing his book.
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'Simon says: You're nuts Blevins. And have zero credibility.'



That's what YOU say. It's a personal opinion on your part and nothing more.

Here's what I believe: People have generally seen through you. You're a shill who has pulled out all the stops in a pathetic effort to discredit. You falsely quoted Geoff Gray with negative comments about me (scores of times) without offering a shred of proof. You've been slamming on other people since your 2009 posts at Science dot com, you are scrabbling in the gutter but no longer have any answers.

You should just admit you lied about Geoff Gray before I get tired of it and post his emails. How about that? You want to talk credibility? We can start there. You really should offer an apology and we can move forward from that point.


You changed on a dime. Within 24 hours.

Where is the mild mannered logical personality that was posting.
Tonight we have the confrontational illogical personality?

How many of you are there - at least two? Different people or
different personalities? Both posting under your name at different
times. I can't be the only one who has noticed this.

Mairzy Doats and Dozy Doats.

Mairzy = patient, nonconfrontational, logical = Gayla ?
Dozy = confrontational, illogical, attack mode = Robert ?

Either there are at least two people writing under your name or
there are two distinct personalities of you - which is it?

You can't fool some some of the people some of the time and
all of the people all of the time! Ive noticed this since an
RobertMBlevins + first came here four years ago. And again, I
can't be the only person noticing this...

:S:D

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