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WHY JO CANNOT POST ON THAT OTHER SITE! SHE HAS TO APOLOGIZE TO BRUCE
& THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, BUT IT IS BRUCE'S OWN UNDOING.


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Telling the TRUTH doesn't mean anything to anymore. Stating an opionion is no longer an option in America...you have to tip toe around everything.

If you question an individual on their opinionated writings then you have commited a crime. NO longer can anyone stand up for their rights - we have to bend over to make sure our words do not offend others.

I have tolerated many things said about me, but when I stood up to acts of agression by one individual, I became the villian. One man came to this thread claiming to be a writer, but he had all of his fact wrong.

Everyone took him under their wings & he started to evolve. As time passed he became brazen - he abused individuals who had already had large chunks of their lives destroyed by Dan Cooper.

I warned some of the individuals about what was happening...because it WAS the RIGHT thing to do. The things he wrote about the victims who refused to submit to his unannouced interview was devastating.

He seem to be PROUD of what he was doing...yet, it was rude and abrasive.

Those involved in the case such as the co-pilot, Himmelsbach and the stewardesses and their families want nothing to do with the man. Now he is using his venom to attack me because I stood up to him.

I am tired of writers who lie & deceive & victimize individuals who have spent 42 yrs being victimizeD. This story is NOT about just Cooper it is about real people who have spent most of their lives trying to evade the media and individuals whose privacy was stripped from them by Cooper.

Their lives were forever changed & NOW one man is bent on making them sound like the villains as he expresses his disdain for them in the printed word with the intent to profit from it. He expressed lust for one woman even as she asked him to leave her door...that is a personal thing and not something one puts on a public forum.

The thread unwitingly created a demon who has only bad things to say about others. One who will go any distance to make his name known and he doesn't care who he puts in harms way and the harm he does to their personal lives.

I stated an opinion how a certain person has reacted to situations and his abusive manners....NOW I am the villain....and he demands I apologize! What a mockery he makes of himself.

I don't use the right words & I am not a writer. I am a human being with a heart who tries to treat others as I want to be treated and put their needs before my own.

I am sorry if some of you don't believe me or like the things I say. Jo has never said bad things about the victims nor have I abused them, nor have I forced myself upon them.

All I have ever done was try to tell the truth & I HATE the FBI & how they handled this. After 17 yrs of this I believe their orders came from a higher source & I do not mean God.

Well, JO built her life on honestly and being forthright. Now I feel it doesn't pay to walk about gingerly and trying not to hurt others in your path - Now it is all about WHO stomps on others & who does bad things to GOOD people. When you point out their shortcomings you become the villain and a target for their anomosity.

WELL, I don't have an ego about Cooper but I do have a personal interest and NOW it is TIME to do what needs to be done.

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NOW someone find the 2 guys - Harris and Pennington. Not only might it lead to the truth about Cooper - it might at least provide closure for me...and YOU will note I am telling things I never told before! ODD no one seemed to be interested in either of the 2 names I listed above! One person sent me a Pennington but it is the wrong Pennington.
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You know Jo...if I were you I wouldn't apologize either.

It wasn't like Bruce Smith apologized for spreading that phony rumor that Kenny Christiansen died of an AIDS-related disease...(I had to post KC's death certificate on that one)

Or...when he called my house and said he was doing an interview for a local newspaper...and the only place his 'interview' appeared was at Dropzone...

Or...when he didn't get the answers he thought he deserved from Tina Mucklow's sister's family...he posted up crap about them on his blog site. The entire Dormuth family saw that post and now they will have nothing to do with anybody regarding Cooper. ('One-Stop-Shopping Interview Technique 101')

I could go on, but why bother? I don't want to pick on the alternate website too much. You have to be fair. Maybe they'll come up with a useful bit of evidence. Just because I played a harmless joke on them doesn't mean they are a BAD site. Just means I played a harmless joke. They sure got pissed off though. It was very late and that post, along with my account, disappeared in less than sixty seconds. I was truly impressed. ;)


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You really get off on this childish behavior don't you.. Why are you still polluting our screens.. why not run along where you are the big fish in the itty bitty pond and enjoy your life??




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They both act like 8 yr olds. Never know which direction Georger is going in! Yet, I like the old coot!

I am serious about trying NOW to find out who Pennington and Harris was.

Harris lived in your neck of the wood and he had something to do with jumping between Seattle and Spokana...I got the indications it was Forestry connected...just that in 1978 the statement made by his son was that his father didn't do that anymore because of his age and/or health.

Really hope the skydiver out there can actually read the information I am seeking now....There was an arrest record for Duane pre 1950 in Spokane and the back record are NO longer in existence.

Remember that many of the jumpers felt Cooper had Spokane connections. I know Duane and his wife stayed there for awhile.
That much came up in a discussion with the son of Harris I over heard.

When I contacted Spokane I found the file that accompanied the arrest was NO longer in existence...Why was this put on the files AFTER the FBI investigated? The FBI seemed to have NO knowledge of that old record on Weber and yet they INVESTIGATED him?

When they are 50 yrs old the back records can be destroyed. I was told the arrest could have been out of the small areas between Spokane and Coure d lane...

Duane supposed was in the Twisp area. There was a forestry camp and a firejumper camp in the area. I do NOT know the specifics and I could never get out there to research the stuff on my own. I know there is a museum that is connected to smokejumping and forestry near there - and I believe this was what Duane was referencing about an area he could never go back to.

For some reason I think Duane was at a work came near there. What little he did tell me indicated this .....he would just say where the BOYS were or were the boys worked never told me any specifics.....

Now in 1992 approximatedly a strange woman came to see Duane....a woman from his past. I do not remember where he said the woman was from, but I remember how she was dressed. She said she had hoped to meet me while she was there...I just happend to have gone by the shop that day even though it was out of my way servicing the debit.

I am upset that Blevins will not share anymore information than he did....because there was a conversation in the store...I did not grasp. She said she knew Duane from way back.

When I saw the picture of the woman Blevins posted as an older woman in 2005, I wanted to know if that was the woman who road horses standing. She was dressed in a suit - Not navy Blue but a pretty blue see color with a hint of dust in it. She was busty....she did NOT stand up while I was there so I do not know her height. She was wearing a which shirt under the suit..She seemed uncomforable by but was smiling and seemingly happy about seeing Duane.

Duane had a shop phone so he could have called anyone of his old friends. We also had a nice camper positioned at the shop inth yard of the shop.

I had to work but he took her out to dinner- and I don't know what her name was...Duane could NOT go without telling me she Road Horses standing,

Belvins there is a very importan question In to ask. The woman I met was heavy busted - thick and she would have been about my height 5"8" may shorther.Just told me she was a freind..of the family.

Next question is specific her hair was no like in the pictures I saw.....are there other pics of her from that time period. Her hair was short and styple in what considered old fashion. short but with it was darl brownish black (seemed to be died). She was going to meet someone else in the area.
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"JO WEBER has been portrayed as a villian on the site & by Galen and Bruce."


Jo, you are hardly the discussion on that forum. I can't even find where Galen mentions your name. Bruce made it clear about what he wants you to do, but nothing about you being "portrayed as a villian" type posts. Bruce made a couple comments and moved on.

Yes it's a little pond as one pointed out. I really don't care. personally it could also be considered a puddle right now, but nothing is wrong with that the last time I checked. it's a place to discuss DB Cooper. that doesn't seem to be the case most of the time here.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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"JO WEBER has been portrayed as a villian on the site & by Galen and Bruce."


Jo, you are hardly the discussion on that forum. I can't even find where Galen mentions your name. Bruce made it clear about what he wants you to do, but nothing about you being "portrayed as a villian" type posts. Bruce made a couple comments and moved on.

Yes it's a little pond as one pointed out. I really don't care. personally it could also be considered a puddle right now, but nothing is wrong with that the last time I checked. it's a place to discuss DB Cooper. that doesn't seem to be the case most of the time here.




COOOL.. then why not run along.. and discuss or whatever yall are gonna do... Its a simple concept.

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well, that's what we were doing before someone decided to disrupt the forum. you want to stick up for him. that's fine with me.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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well, that's what we were doing before someone decided to disrupt the forum. you want to stick up for him. that's fine with me.



No I want to stick up for a lack of dumassery childish behavior rolling across our screens on a daily basis.. Its a classic circle jerk...:S:S

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I am REPEATING my post about WHY I will NEVER apologize to Bruce and the post from which Shutter took his statementL

skyjack71


If you question an individual on their opinionated writings then you have committed a crime. NO longer can anyone stand up for their rights - we have to bend over to make sure our words do not offend others.

I have tolerated many things said about me, but when I stood up to acts of agression by one individual, I became the villian. One man came to this thread claiming to be a writer, but he had all of his fact wrong.

Everyone took him under their wings & he started to evolve. As time passed he became brazen - he abused individuals who had already had large chunks of their lives destroyed by Dan Cooper.

I warned some of the individuals about what was happening...because it WAS the RIGHT thing to do. The things he wrote about the victims who refused to submit to his unannouced interview was devastating.

He seem to be PROUD of what he was doing...yet, it was rude and abrasive.

Those involved in the case such as the co-pilot, Himmelsbach and the stewardesses and their families want nothing to do with the man. Now he is using his venom to attack me because I stood up to him.

I am tired of writers who lie & deceive & victimize individuals who have spent 42 yrs being victimize. This story is NOT about just Cooper it is about real people who have spent most of their lives trying to evade the media and individuals whose privacy was stripped from them by Cooper.

Their lives were forever changed & NOW one man is bent on making them sound like the villains as he expresses his disdain for them in the printed word with the intent to profit from it. He expressed lust for one woman even as she asked him to leave her door...that is a personal thing and not something one puts on a public forum.

The thread unwitingly created a demon who has only bad things to say about others. One who will go any distance to make his name known and he doesn't care who he puts in harms way and the harm he does to their personal lives.

I stated an opinion how a certain person has reacted to situations and his abusive manners....NOW I am the villain....and he demands I apologize! What a mockery he makes of himself.

I don't use the right words & I am not a writer. I am a human being with a heart who tries to treat others as I want to be treated and put their needs before my own.

I am sorry if some of you don't believe me or like the things I say. Jo has never said bad things about the victims nor have I abused them, nor have I forced myself upon them.

All I have ever done was try to tell the truth & I HATE the FBI & how they handled this. After 17 yrs of this I believe their orders came from a higher source & I do not mean God.

Well, JO built her life on honestly and being forthright. Now I feel it doesn't pay to walk about gingerly and trying not to hurt others in your path - Now it is all about WHO stomps on others & who does bad things to GOOD people. When you point out their shortcomings you become the villain and a target for their anomosity.

WELL, I don't have an ego about Cooper but I do have a personal interest and NOW it is TIME to do what needs to be done.




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Shutter READ my post above then you can repeat the statement that trigger this long post....

Again below this line:

I stated an opinion how a certain person has reacted to situations and his abusive manners....NOW I am the villain....and he demands I apologize! What a mockery he makes of himself.

:|[:/]:(
Bruce DEMANDS JO WEBER to apologize to him....well, that will be a cold day in HELL!

Put the shoe on the other foot. WHAT if Tina had been Bruce's mother or sister? Is this the kind of respect he shows them? The crew are victims caught up in something they had NO power over and yet Bruce victimized them again 42 yrs later.

Bruce is his own worst enemy when it comes to actual witnessess. HE alienates them. His action with them is exactly the way he has treated me over the yrs....he is a mean and cruel man, but you guys just eat it up!

He is nothing more than a puppet for Galen Cook....Galen is feeding him and feeding off of him. They make a GREAT couple.....

Bruce's postings and writings about Tina and her family were NOTHING short of sordid opinions mixed with the vulgar perverted thoughts going on in his mind...he was actually lusting out loud and in print.

He can erase sordid words from his site and his book, they live on forever on the internet.
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Shutter says in part:
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'I watched his username sit with no comments for days. he thinks this is some sort of breach of security. my job is to handle the comments. his was handled. there is another on there I'm sure you are aware of, but nothing will be done with that until something negative is posted.

the whole subject is childish and shows exactly what he is. personally, I'm done with it....'



Yes. It was such a negative and downright childish thing to announce and all.

Let's face it. It's not really YOUR discussion forum, and neither it is truly 'public' in any remote description. It belongs to a few 'heavies' on your site, two of whom have much to gain or lose on upcoming books. One has finished his, the other has been promising one since at least 2005. Others have been banned from Dropzone. As long as any new members don't cross the heavies or piss them off, they can stay and post. Otherwise, the heavies will pressure you to dump them. You don't 'run' the site. You serve at the discretion of what is required from you by the heavies. And I have read the comments so far. A more boring discussion I haven't seen.

The 'negative post' I made that you referred to I will repost. Except for the cutesy comment I did at the start showing how I played a bit of a joke on you, it's actually pretty interesting. The reason I played that on you was real simple. You have no manners. You went public with comments about me being excluded, and even solciting other comments on the subject. The thing to do would have been to just drop me a PM. 'Blevins I think it's better if you don't register and just stick to Dropzone'. I would have respected that approach. So I decided to do a minor punkn on you, which IMHO you deserved. As far as this 'negative post' you speak of, it was about a very nice event.

Too bad none of you guys will be at the event. You are missing out for sure. Did you know I tried to set up Bruce Smith for a packed house, which would have been a nice book launch for him, but he's not interested? He wants to move to LA and try to land a Hollywood producer. Good luck with that. Producers and film production companies don't do business that way. A good agent is required or they laugh you out of the building. Any other approach is amateurish. He will find out for himself.

Negative Post:

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'Okay...it's a bit late but I just got word on what I can and cannot say regarding the Adventures In Literature event (some Cooper-related) happening the second Saturday of this coming August at the Auburn Avenue Theater, good old Auburn, WA.

1) Doors will open at 9AM. Admission is FREE.

2) See Gayla at the Concessions Window for your free snacks and drinks.

3) Todd at Finally Found Books in Auburn is scheduling the speakers for this event. So go to him for anything speaker-related. If you are a Cooper nut, or can't behave yourself, don't bother. Festival director Connie Henke, yours truly, and others have given him his Miranda Warnings. Actually that would be Cooper Nut warnings. Trust me - they exist. If your presentation is regarding Cooper, you might want to contact me first to serve as the go-between with Todd. Speaker slots are filling quickly.

4) There will be no presentations, discussions, or readings between 12 noon and 1:30PM, due to the parade up Main Street. This is the time you should get out of the theater and wander around looking for food. I always do. :)
5) The famous Book Swap will be in place. This is where we lay out a few hundred books on tables in the lobby and you bring your own. Swap them out one for one or twenty for twenty for books you actually want.

6) This event is not totally about DB Cooper, but he gets some time. William Sullivan, the author of The Case of DB Cooper's Parachute, will be doing a slideshow and a reading. He's been provided the usual Miranda (okay, Cooper nut) warnings. Not my fault that this became necessary. Back in 2010, phone call threats came into City Hall before I did the first Kenny slideshow. No one on the organizing committee for Auburn Days has forgotten that. And neither has our current mayor or the police.

7) Directly after Mr Sullivan speaks, I will present a slideshow on Kenny Christiansen with some updated information. Don't expect me to prove he was Cooper. I only offer the tools to find out one way or another if anyone's interested. I will speak on the Amboy chute and Cossey's murder as well.

8) Three famous female crime writers from the Northwest will banter from the stage with attendees and do a group discussion. Don't ask for their names. I'm not allowed to tell you yet. This is the event I look forward to the most.

9) There will be a container just inside the doors of the theater for you to drop your donated books for children. I strongly urge you to provide one if you show up. Hardcovers with dust jackets work best. They go to family shelters and childrens' hospitals in the Puget Sound area. A full-scale drive for the same thing is being organized through the Auburn School District. Books are turned over to a respected Seattle writers' organization who have been doing this for years.

10) At six PM, after all of this ends, I will run two films until around 10PM. One is family-oriented. The second one I am open to suggestions. Last year we showed Them, Robinson Crusoe on Mars, and American Graffiti - Special Edition.'



I take much personal satisfaction being able to present Kenny's story via slideshow (with all the current information) at the theater. And without detractors and WITH an open-minded audience. This is great. TV will be there. Local and Puget Sound news entities will be there. Not so much for me, but because a lot of it has to do with the author who is introducing the event itself. Hell, I don't mind riding on coattails sometimes, especially when I have to do a lot of the grunt work and foot some expenses to make the event happen. Seems fair to me. You can tell Bruce Smith that my offer to him for a speaking slot on his book and his research is now CLOSED. All slots filled up fast, just as I told him they would. No worries about missing anything though. I'm posting the entire event to YouTube afterward in a ninety-minute video edited down to that length from a full feature. I will keep the feature for myself, post the edited version. ;)

There is a lesson here. If you have a story to tell, it's better to have an audience than to shout into the wind with nobody around. Which is exactly what happened at the symposium in Tacoma, an event that crash-and-burned faster than Pan Am Flight 103 hit the ground at Lockerbie.


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Shutter says in part:

Quote

'I watched his username sit with no comments for days. he thinks this is some sort of breach of security. my job is to handle the comments. his was handled. there is another on there I'm sure you are aware of, but nothing will be done with that until something negative is posted.

the whole subject is childish and shows exactly what he is. personally, I'm done with it....'



Yes. It was such a negative and downright childish thing to announce and all.

Let's face it. It's not really YOUR discussion forum, and neither it is truly 'public' in any remote description. It belongs to a few 'heavies' on your site, two of whom have much to gain or lose on upcoming books. One has finished his, the other has been promising one since at least 2005. Others have been banned from Dropzone. As long as any new members don't cross the heavies or piss them off, they can stay and post. Otherwise, the heavies will pressure you to dump them. You don't 'run' the site. You serve at the discretion of what is required from you by the heavies. And I have read the comments so far. A more boring discussion I haven't seen.

The 'negative post' I made that you referred to I will repost. Except for the cutesy comment I did at the start showing how I played a bit of a joke on you, it's actually pretty interesting. The reason I played that on you was real simple. You have no manners. You went public with comments about me being excluded, and even solciting other comments on the subject. The thing to do would have been to just drop me a PM. 'Blevins I think it's better if you don't register and just stick to Dropzone'. I would have respected that approach. So I decided to do a minor punkn on you, which IMHO you deserved. As far as this 'negative post' you speak of, it was about a very nice event.

Too bad none of you guys will be at the event. You are missing out for sure. Did you know I tried to set up Bruce Smith for a packed house, which would have been a nice book launch for him, but he's not interested? He wants to move to LA and try to land a Hollywood producer. Good luck with that. Producers and film production companies don't do business that way. A good agent is required or they laugh you out of the building. Any other approach is amateurish. He will find out for himself.

Negative Post:

***'Okay...it's a bit late but I just got word on what I can and cannot say regarding the Adventures In Literature event (some Cooper-related) happening the second Saturday of this coming August at the Auburn Avenue Theater, good old Auburn, WA.

1) Doors will open at 9AM. Admission is FREE.

2) See Gayla at the Concessions Window for your free snacks and drinks.

3) Todd at Finally Found Books in Auburn is scheduling the speakers for this event. So go to him for anything speaker-related. If you are a Cooper nut, or can't behave yourself, don't bother. Festival director Connie Henke, yours truly, and others have given him his Miranda Warnings. Actually that would be Cooper Nut warnings. Trust me - they exist. If your presentation is regarding Cooper, you might want to contact me first to serve as the go-between with Todd. Speaker slots are filling quickly.

4) There will be no presentations, discussions, or readings between 12 noon and 1:30PM, due to the parade up Main Street. This is the time you should get out of the theater and wander around looking for food. I always do. :)
5) The famous Book Swap will be in place. This is where we lay out a few hundred books on tables in the lobby and you bring your own. Swap them out one for one or twenty for twenty for books you actually want.

6) This event is not totally about DB Cooper, but he gets some time. William Sullivan, the author of The Case of DB Cooper's Parachute, will be doing a slideshow and a reading. He's been provided the usual Miranda (okay, Cooper nut) warnings. Not my fault that this became necessary. Back in 2010, phone call threats came into City Hall before I did the first Kenny slideshow. No one on the organizing committee for Auburn Days has forgotten that. And neither has our current mayor or the police.

7) Directly after Mr Sullivan speaks, I will present a slideshow on Kenny Christiansen with some updated information. Don't expect me to prove he was Cooper. I only offer the tools to find out one way or another if anyone's interested. I will speak on the Amboy chute and Cossey's murder as well.

8) Three famous female crime writers from the Northwest will banter from the stage with attendees and do a group discussion. Don't ask for their names. I'm not allowed to tell you yet. This is the event I look forward to the most.

9) There will be a container just inside the doors of the theater for you to drop your donated books for children. I strongly urge you to provide one if you show up. Hardcovers with dust jackets work best. They go to family shelters and childrens' hospitals in the Puget Sound area. A full-scale drive for the same thing is being organized through the Auburn School District. Books are turned over to a respected Seattle writers' organization who have been doing this for years.

10) At six PM, after all of this ends, I will run two films until around 10PM. One is family-oriented. The second one I am open to suggestions. Last year we showed Them, Robinson Crusoe on Mars, and American Graffiti - Special Edition.'



You guys are really going to miss out. I take much personal satisfaction being able to present Kenny's story via slideshow (with all the current information) at the theater. And without detractors and WITH an open-minded audience. This is great. TV will be there. Local and Puget Sound news entities will be there. Not so much for me, but because a lot of it has to do with the author who is introducing the event itself. Hell, I don't mind riding on coattails sometimes, especially when I have to do a lot of the grunt work and foot some expenses to make the event happen. Seems fair to me. You can tell Bruce Smith that my offer to him for a speaking slot on his book and his research is now CLOSED. All slots filled up fast, just as I told him they would. No worries about missing anything though. I'm posting the entire event to YouTube afterward in a ninety-minute video edited down to that length from a full feature. I will keep the feature for myself, post the edited version. ;)

There is a lesson here. If you have a story to tell, it's better to have an audience than to shout into the wind with nobody around. Which is exactly what happened at the symposium in Tacoma, an event that crash-and-burned faster than Pan Am Flight 103 hit the ground at Lockerbie.

Something is wrong here Mr. Blevins. You are telling one story,
or stories, but then doing another in the background. Did you
not send to post the following, trying to intimidate and harass
the owner of the new website?

Quote:

DungeonsWizard on March 05, 2014, 06:17:09 AM
LOL maybe you should ban me and close my account now? This
is Robert Blevins. Yes, DungeonsWizard is yours truly. Make sure
you stifle anyone with something decent to say, or pick on poor
kids by doing so. BTW...this post was copied for my FB and
Twitter accounts. You can consider that. We will call it a test in
decency. Pass/Fail is the only grade allowed.


"Picking on poor kids...." ?

"Test in decency..." ?

Then you bring this stuff here to Dropzone to drop, saying further:

"Let's face it. It's not really YOUR discussion forum, and
neither it is truly 'public' in any remote description. It belongs to
a few 'heavies' on your site, two of whom have much to gain or
lose on upcoming books.
?

Everything you say above is a complete and total falsehood.

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***Shutter says in part:

Quote

'I watched his username sit with no comments for days. he thinks this is some sort of breach of security. my job is to handle the comments. his was handled. there is another on there I'm sure you are aware of, but nothing will be done with that until something negative is posted.

the whole subject is childish and shows exactly what he is. personally, I'm done with it....'



Yes. It was such a negative and downright childish thing to announce and all.

Let's face it. It's not really YOUR discussion forum, and neither it is truly 'public' in any remote description. It belongs to a few 'heavies' on your site, two of whom have much to gain or lose on upcoming books. One has finished his, the other has been promising one since at least 2005. Others have been banned from Dropzone. As long as any new members don't cross the heavies or piss them off, they can stay and post. Otherwise, the heavies will pressure you to dump them. You don't 'run' the site. You serve at the discretion of what is required from you by the heavies. And I have read the comments so far. A more boring discussion I haven't seen.

The 'negative post' I made that you referred to I will repost. Except for the cutesy comment I did at the start showing how I played a bit of a joke on you, it's actually pretty interesting. The reason I played that on you was real simple. You have no manners. You went public with comments about me being excluded, and even solciting other comments on the subject. The thing to do would have been to just drop me a PM. 'Blevins I think it's better if you don't register and just stick to Dropzone'. I would have respected that approach. So I decided to do a minor punkn on you, which IMHO you deserved. As far as this 'negative post' you speak of, it was about a very nice event.

Too bad none of you guys will be at the event. You are missing out for sure. Did you know I tried to set up Bruce Smith for a packed house, which would have been a nice book launch for him, but he's not interested? He wants to move to LA and try to land a Hollywood producer. Good luck with that. Producers and film production companies don't do business that way. A good agent is required or they laugh you out of the building. Any other approach is amateurish. He will find out for himself.

Negative Post:

***'Okay...it's a bit late but I just got word on what I can and cannot say regarding the Adventures In Literature event (some Cooper-related) happening the second Saturday of this coming August at the Auburn Avenue Theater, good old Auburn, WA.

1) Doors will open at 9AM. Admission is FREE.

2) See Gayla at the Concessions Window for your free snacks and drinks.

3) Todd at Finally Found Books in Auburn is scheduling the speakers for this event. So go to him for anything speaker-related. If you are a Cooper nut, or can't behave yourself, don't bother. Festival director Connie Henke, yours truly, and others have given him his Miranda Warnings. Actually that would be Cooper Nut warnings. Trust me - they exist. If your presentation is regarding Cooper, you might want to contact me first to serve as the go-between with Todd. Speaker slots are filling quickly.

4) There will be no presentations, discussions, or readings between 12 noon and 1:30PM, due to the parade up Main Street. This is the time you should get out of the theater and wander around looking for food. I always do. :)
5) The famous Book Swap will be in place. This is where we lay out a few hundred books on tables in the lobby and you bring your own. Swap them out one for one or twenty for twenty for books you actually want.

6) This event is not totally about DB Cooper, but he gets some time. William Sullivan, the author of The Case of DB Cooper's Parachute, will be doing a slideshow and a reading. He's been provided the usual Miranda (okay, Cooper nut) warnings. Not my fault that this became necessary. Back in 2010, phone call threats came into City Hall before I did the first Kenny slideshow. No one on the organizing committee for Auburn Days has forgotten that. And neither has our current mayor or the police.

7) Directly after Mr Sullivan speaks, I will present a slideshow on Kenny Christiansen with some updated information. Don't expect me to prove he was Cooper. I only offer the tools to find out one way or another if anyone's interested. I will speak on the Amboy chute and Cossey's murder as well.

8) Three famous female crime writers from the Northwest will banter from the stage with attendees and do a group discussion. Don't ask for their names. I'm not allowed to tell you yet. This is the event I look forward to the most.

9) There will be a container just inside the doors of the theater for you to drop your donated books for children. I strongly urge you to provide one if you show up. Hardcovers with dust jackets work best. They go to family shelters and childrens' hospitals in the Puget Sound area. A full-scale drive for the same thing is being organized through the Auburn School District. Books are turned over to a respected Seattle writers' organization who have been doing this for years.

10) At six PM, after all of this ends, I will run two films until around 10PM. One is family-oriented. The second one I am open to suggestions. Last year we showed Them, Robinson Crusoe on Mars, and American Graffiti - Special Edition.'



You guys are really going to miss out. I take much personal satisfaction being able to present Kenny's story via slideshow (with all the current information) at the theater. And without detractors and WITH an open-minded audience. This is great. TV will be there. Local and Puget Sound news entities will be there. Not so much for me, but because a lot of it has to do with the author who is introducing the event itself. Hell, I don't mind riding on coattails sometimes, especially when I have to do a lot of the grunt work and foot some expenses to make the event happen. Seems fair to me. You can tell Bruce Smith that my offer to him for a speaking slot on his book and his research is now CLOSED. All slots filled up fast, just as I told him they would. No worries about missing anything though. I'm posting the entire event to YouTube afterward in a ninety-minute video edited down to that length from a full feature. I will keep the feature for myself, post the edited version. ;)

There is a lesson here. If you have a story to tell, it's better to have an audience than to shout into the wind with nobody around. Which is exactly what happened at the symposium in Tacoma, an event that crash-and-burned faster than Pan Am Flight 103 hit the ground at Lockerbie.

Something is wrong here Mr. Blevins. You are telling one story,
or stories, but then doing another in the background. Did you
not send to post the following, trying to intimidate and harass
the owner of the new website?

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DungeonsWizard on March 05, 2014, 06:17:09 AM
LOL maybe you should ban me and close my account now? This
is Robert Blevins. Yes, DungeonsWizard is yours truly. Make sure
you stifle anyone with something decent to say, or pick on poor
kids by doing so. BTW...this post was copied for my FB and
Twitter accounts. You can consider that. We will call it a test in
decency. Pass/Fail is the only grade allowed.


"Picking on poor kids...." ?

"Test in decency..." ?

Then you bring this stuff here to Dropzone to drop, saying further:

"Let's face it. It's not really YOUR discussion forum, and
neither it is truly 'public' in any remote description. It belongs to
a few 'heavies' on your site, two of whom have much to gain or
lose on upcoming books.
?

Everything you say above is a complete and total falsehood.

Yes, I said all the things you quoted. I'd call it more of an opinion. I didn't do Facebook or Twitter, though.
It wasn't worth it. You see, everyone I know on Facebook are people I actually KNOW...people with real identities and real lives and families.

This may be a foreign concept to you, but some people actually do this. ;)

My old man told me something once, and I know it is certainly true.

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The alternate website is what it is, populated by people with control issues, and the public is only welcome if the Powers That Be allow it. LOL good luck with that one. I hope you guys do good, but I couldn't care less about it. :)


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Georger:
That Chimp must be THE THINKER!
He sure has the pose down.

None Cooper related, but hope this
makes someone smile.


P.S. for Smokin99:
Hell, I just wrote the salutation &
forgot what I was going to say!
Must not have been important.

Everyone:
Anyone made any efforts to locate
Pennington or Harris - both jumpers and I know both are deceased...Both were still alive in 1979.

Blevin:
You're so focus on promoting yourself
U cannot even entertain the fact I gave
U some information U should have check
Out yrs ago.

Anyone - can you locate the Lady who Rode Horses standing! Bet U Blevin never even asked her to look at pictures of other suspects....the Clues are in Puyallup and in a museum near Twisp.

Did The woman who Rode Horse Standing ever have any children?

Did Mr. & Mrs. Geestman every have any children?

Connect the Geestmans, Gilliam's wife, Ma & Pa Weber, Barb Drayton and others and you have a conspiracy...Is that NOT right down your alley?
:):D:o
You'll Never Know if You Don't Know Now!

Gosset is out, Kenny is out, Barb was still re-couperating from her surgery, Coffelt - well he said there was 5 of them and while we are at it - put JT on the list.

Let get a good five -
Coffelt and his buddy that is 2.
Geestman and his wife that is 4
So the jumper is the last one!

Maybe there was 7
Barb Drayton and Kenney make 7.

How man more do you want to put on
the list?

How about Ben Richards? The old man who used to play and sing at the Corner Tavern and at Jollies.

When did Ellie play the piano at Jollies?
Or was she playing the piano at the Rodeway in 1971?

Hell, I can't find my picture of Ellie!

NOW I found ELLIE And You can now see
Ellie - she played piano bar in Portland and Washington.

Now you will KNOW Ellie!
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WHAT HAPPENED! I made a call to the FBI today and the thread is dead tonight!

Pennington
Richards
Harris

A first for there to NOT be one posting!
So where is ELLIE?

The silence is deafening!
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Skyjack71 asks in part:

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'Did Mr. & Mrs. Geestman every have any children?'



Yes. There is a son.

I don't KNOW where Margie Geestman currently resides. Only her lawyer and the bank officer who handled the sale of her ranch know that. At least until she starts turning up again at US Search. Kind of hard to dodge those cable, water, and electric bills.

Reason I haven't posted much is because I have been busy screening writers local to the Puget Sound area to co-write the Kenny Christiansen story for feature film. At first, I thought I had one, but upon further checking I discovered he was unreliable.

However, I have pulled the ad from Craigslist, since I now have someone suitable and she is a young woman from Seattle. I'm not ready to reveal her name at Dropzone, although SHE will probably say something soon from her FB and Twitter accounts. This will not be her first script.

We spoke for about an hour today about how we wanted to present the Kenny Christiansen story and we decided on a biographical drama. A mention will be made about the cooperation of the Christiansen family, and yes, they are on board with us regarding the script.

We're going to stick to the known facts on Kenny, although obviously we're going to take some literary license on the hijacking itself. In other words, we're going to present the hijacking exactly as I believe it was done - that is to say - IF Kenny actually did it. I won't burden you with those details because I know most of you have heard all that before. But I wanted to make sure people understand we will stick close to the known facts on Kenny's life. For example, we're not going to shy away from the fact that Kenny was gay, or that he hid that fact when he entered the Army in 1944.

On the basic personality we're going to present on Kenny, here it is in a nutshell:

A farm-raised all-American kid from Minnesota who risks it all to serve his country. (Homosexual soldiers back then were often jailed if discovered, or at the least given a dishonable discharge) And even though Kenny has to stay in the closet while in the paratroops, he passes some of the toughest training ever devised by the Army, in preparation for an invasion of Japan. Some scenes of jumping for extra pay in Japan, his eventual return to Minnesota. After a failed attempt at selling books door to door, he sees an ad for NWA in a local paper. He applies, gets hired.

But instead of the glorious career he imagined, Kenny is sent to a freezing rock in Alaska to oil and fuel planes and meets the guy who will influence much of his later life: His boss at NWA, Bernie Geestman. They become friends.

Five years on the rock and Kenny quits at last and takes a job in the South Pacific. Scenes of A-bomb tests, Kenny possibly being contaminated. (Some of this may be close to fact. His family thinks it was his time doing telephone operator work near the tests that caused his death later from cancer.)

Back to Seattle. Re-joins NWA. Purser training. Little money still, but his enjoyment of the job itself, the new responsibilities, are more what he had in mind the first time he joined NWA. Geestman is back in Seattle as well, and reunites with his old friend. He's working for Boeing on the 727 program. But Kenny is unhappy with the pay and the strikes at NWA, and writes home occasionally about it. He serves well on the Orient route. He has little money to show for it, but enjoys the job and keeps hoping it will get better. It doesn't. He takes side jobs picking apples, doing construction digging for the World's Fair in Seattle, working at a hotel, seasonal work at the Post Office.

A few years later: Kenny is now older. He lives in a small apartment in a small town. He's going nowhere. After so much service with the airline, he's living on 500 a month. His friend Bernie Geestman has an idea to end all those problems. Why not? People are hijacking airplanes all over the world. You probably know the rest of the story. The Cooper Hijacking. They plan it over the summer of 1971, keep it secret from Geestman's wife. They pull it off the week of Thanksgiving 1971. Kenny says this is the best time.

Later, some scenes with Helen Jones, Margie Geestman finding out the truth on where the two men went and what they were doing when they skipped Thanksgiving, etc. She is furious.

A house, a loan, a change of appearance for Kenny. The only three people who know the truth are now in bed together on one of the biggest crimes ever - for life. There is no turning back for them.

Some of Kenny's friends suspect he was Cooper, but dismiss it. He's too nice to do it, most of them don't even know he was a paratrooper. Kenny goes back to his quiet life in Bonney Lake. Geestman and Kenny have a falling-out later due to money, but Geestman's wife sees Kenny more as a victim due to her husband's manipulation and she and Kenny stay friends for life.

There will be a scene with the famous 25-year-service letter sent to Kenny in 1976 from the president of NWA that is dated on the very day the Statute of Limitations on the hijacking is supposed to end. And how Kenny reacts to that. (not well)

I'm not sure how we will wrap the script yet. We're discussing whether to run it up to the present date and the investigation into Kenny, Geoff Gray, etc. or...maybe end it with his death. One shortcut could be to just present those things at the end in the short version or something. We will work on that.

We plan to complete the script before the upcoming event in August at the Auburn Avenue Theater, and present it together to the media at that time. Since we will probably finish it BEFORE that time and sub it out through my AAR agent, there's a chance it could be sold before that time, of course.

It's still early in this process, but those are the basics. Working title is: Into The Blast. I never liked the add-on to that title, which was done not by me, but by Skipp Porteous. He may have been right about that, but we're leaving it off anyway. Rights to the script are divided at fifty percent for my co-writer, and she will be listed as First Writer. Porteous and I share the remainder evenly.


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U can hear a pin drop in the thread tonight! Bruce posted a story in that other thread, but adds his own favor to the mix.

No Mention made regarding shards found in the making of a documentary in 2001 with Himmelsbach, one of the Fazio's & Jo Weber.

Bruce's visit with Himmelsbach was cut pretty short - one can only wonder why!
Staying on good terms with key individuals by being honest with them and putting aside your own personal agenda is much more productive.

I realize Bruce is TRYING to SELL a story & he needs to leave it be with facts & no aliens.

If the FBI listened to the message I left today - their ears are burning! They can NOT turn a deaf ear to Weber. Duane was in association with 2 skyjumpers & I gave them the names & known locations for the individuals and/or family members.

If the FBI does NOT approach them, SOMEONE else will do so....too many individuals out there with knowledge of Weber actually trying to find the truths!

Harris (Senior) & Pennington Jr both were jumpers.... both knew Duane before Jo was ever a part of his life. I did NOT want to harm anyone in my investigations & the younger men I met were sons of the older guys Duane was inquiring about. Duane was even admonished for mentioning this in my presence by one of the guys & the conversation taken out of my range (So they Thought)!

I told the FBI this before, but - I am giving them NO options & openly discussing this in the thread NOW! If I die tomorrow at least I know I tried to tell the world Duane was connected to jumping - maybe only by observation & maybe that is all it took!

Duane knew these men personally.

The 2 names connect Duane to WA & the FBI is going to have to fess up - or be ridiculed. The other is by way of a man named Ben Richards - but, the individuals I found were young and didn't know much about their name sakes & NO connections...not sure I found the right Richardson. His living conditions - Duane did mention & that included washing his clothes in a stream near his cabin or trailor.

Find this man & his history will solve the D.B. Cooper case...I think this guy was definitely connected to the jump in some way.

The names Harris, Pennington and Richards are part of Weber's past & they connect to the N.W. & to jumping!

A conversation with OLD law enforcement today - "NO way the FBI can ignored this - unless ORDERED NOT to do so!" SO what the HELL was Weber (an excon) involved in?

I gave the FBI most of the above information YRS ago - NOW it is official.

I do NOT have time to REMAIN silent & be classified as the Delusional old woman they have made me out to be by ignoring all of the things I told the FBI over the yrs.

This month in 2014 marks the 19th anniversay of Duane's Weber confession to me in 1995 and our marriage in 1978. God Willing and the Creek Don't Rise - some SMART Cookie out there will find the KEY that unlocks the past.
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;)Georger - what happened to Ellie?
Where is she?

[:/]Working in smoke filled bars she is probably deceased. I threw her out to the thread - because some one some place will remember Ellie. Bar Piano players - especially a female will be remembered from the time era....

Maybe just an OLD book Duane kept for some reason...and not connected to Cooper.....Did Ellie work at Jollies at one time? Didn't she play at a couple of the Sing-a-long Bars in WA and OR.

The old cook book - Tina for Tena - it is in the book! So were did the Cook Book with a picture of the little girl come from?

The Cook Book contained a photo that looked remarkably like Tina Mucklow at age 9 and the book was distributed by a church in the area Tina live in (only 3000) copies made. I have one copy and the woman who wrote it who died a few yrs ago in FL had 2 copies left. She retired to FL & died here.

She told me she was very surprised that a copy of her book ended up in Pace Florida.

The book was put out to benefit a Church in the area Tina lived at the time of the SKYJACKING.

The author claimed NO connection to Tina Mucklow. Said she just like the name.
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Kaye cuts through the BS over there fairly quickly, IMHO:

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'Georger requested clarification on why we discount "natural means"

First off if you take as fact that Cooper jumped around Ariel then the money had to move 20 miles or so to get to TB. Water is the only natural means to move the money that far. We traced the tributaries to the Washougal and none of them made it up to the area around Ariel. The Lewis river route requires a move upstream to get to TB which would be unnatural. So unless a bird flew it there I can't personally think of any other way to move the bundles.

Now if you want to argue that the jump was off or the flight path was different that's fine but we found no evidence that supported a different jump zone or flight path from what was presented in the archives. (Bold by RB)

PS there WERE money fragments in the FBI archive. Only a few crumbs in a match box size container.

Tom...'



Kaye has worked out of the UW's Burke Museum. They don't hire stupid people there, last time I checked. ;)


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Kaye cuts through the BS over there fairly quickly, IMHO:

Quote

'Georger requested clarification on why we discount "natural means"

First off if you take as fact that Cooper jumped around Ariel then the money had to move 20 miles or so to get to TB. Water is the only natural means to move the money that far. We traced the tributaries to the Washougal and none of them made it up to the area around Ariel. The Lewis river route requires a move upstream to get to TB which would be unnatural. So unless a bird flew it there I can't personally think of any other way to move the bundles.

Now if you want to argue that the jump was off or the flight path was different that's fine but we found no evidence that supported a different jump zone or flight path from what was presented in the archives. (Bold by RB)

PS there WERE money fragments in the FBI archive. Only a few crumbs in a match box size container.

Tom...'



Kaye has worked out of the UW's Burke Museum. They don't hire stupid people there, last time I checked. ;)



Last Week of SEPT or 1st wk of OCT THE EARLY FALL OF 1979.

Duane L. Weber (Dan COOPER) TOOK Jo Weber to TENA's BAR & instructed she STAY in the car. He walked down to the river past a gate and then to the shore line....He walked on the beach close to the fence line which took him from my view and behind the home in place at that time.

There was a fence between the house and the tree line. I have asked over and over if there was in Oct of 1979 a wooden shed along the fence line/tree line on beach side of the fence....hidden from the view if one was standing under the Big Oak at the parking area as it existed in 1979.

I hesitate to say E or W regarding this location as I thought the house was to the west of the parking area....I have been told that is NOT west...I didn't have a compass and I have always considered the house to be east & west of the parking area.

For the benefit of making this simple - PRETEND when you are at the parking area - you are looking directly South (I know that is not true, but it is the only way I can explain what I was seeing).
NO one has ever given me an answer or provided any pictures from 1979 regarding the shed. Fazion (the one at the beach when they did the documentary that was never use) told us that at one time there was a shed used to hold the equipment used to keep the area clean and/or boating accessories. In 2001 there was only the tree line and the fence - no shed...when the documentary was done.

Duane usually wore ankle high dress boots and they had more of a heel than a loafer or dress shoe. I never understood the Torque even though someone long ago tried to explain it.

Since Duane walked down to that beach with a medium Blue windbreaker on with 2 large pockets - He could he easily have had bundles of money in his pockets

If he reached down to dig a little hole he might have used the heel of his boots to push the money deeper into the ground and to cover the sand back over it. Then use the heel or boot in a twist and tap the money into the ground. Could the fanning simple be because Cooper pushed the money in a twisting motion to shove it into the sand?

DUMB old woman question for Kaye!
Because of Duane talking about a leak in the shed of a home of a person he went to see withing a short drive of The Dalles.
He was gone for 5 1/2 hours....and I have NO idea where he went.

He said the woman's husband had died (so he said) and she asked him to move somethings in the shed. This sounds like something made up to cover up what he was reallyd doing.

HE never told me who the old friend was or how long he had been deceased - nor the name of the woman...I do not know how far he went out of the area. He was gone 5 & 1/2 hrs and I HAVE NO idea WHERE he went.

He was dirty when he got to the room...and washed up before he put my stuff in the car and we left.
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Jollies...

Now there is a name I had not heard in a decade or three. I lived just down the road once upon a time.:ph34r::ph34r:

And no... I did not hang out there... I avoided the place.. too many "undesirables" back in the early 1980's.



Ever hear of this piano player - The name was ELLIE...picture of song book and Ellie below.
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***Jollies...

Now there is a name I had not heard in a decade or three. I lived just down the road once upon a time.:ph34r::ph34r:

And no... I did not hang out there... I avoided the place.. too many "undesirables" back in the early 1980's.



Ever hear of this piano player - The name was ELLIE...picture of song book and Ellie below.

No Jo... I steered clear of the place.

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I know Duane mentioned Jollies & The Corner Tavern - BUT, when was he there? That is the QUESTION. These bars are NOT something a casual visitor to WA would be aware of.

Duane was working there or in a program there or with a group from Tx/Ms who went to WA to train. The FBI wants to bury my story, but it is alive and well.

IT won't put Weber on the plane, but just putting him in WA is good enough for me right now.

Remember Duane would be 90 yrs old this coming June if he was still alive!

I want to do is contact Jollies and the Corner Tavern and see if they will promote some fliers for me or know a local media person who will put some pictures up and inquire of the OLDER set if anyone has any old pictures taken over the yrs - 1945 to 1970 in either of these places. I need to know the dates each of the places opened their doors for business. I know the Corner Tavern was torn down after 2001 - BUT, someone should have OLD pictures of the people who used to go there.

There has to be archived pictures of the Bars....someone must have something.
I want people from WA and those area to send me pictures their grandparents had.

Any of you who live in WA - ask around and see what can be dug up...

What is the local paper that was active in the ORCHARDS area in 1945 to 1971?
A local historian may have access to old photos also.

I want to RUN an ad in the papers if they still exist to see if we can scare up any old pics.
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I have the disk of the maps Sluggo gave me and I have actual copies of some of them.
I could not open them but the woman who has a shop here was able to open them several yrs ago...they are NOT corrupted.
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