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Oh - I just remembered one thing I liked about Tosaw's book. He had all of the serial numbers listed in the back in alphanumeric order. That was pretty nice. A lot easier then trying to read them off of the FBI's site.
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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'Let's see...you practically have a confession from the family but they had to get a report from you before they figured out a few things. Still scratching head over that one...'



I swear I don't understand where some of you get this weird idea I can prove Kenny was the hijacker. I can't, not yet. ...



Maybe you misunderstood me at some point. I don't have a weird idea that you can prove Kenny was Cooper. Quite the opposite, I don't think you can. Even if Kenny was Cooper I don't think you can prove it, and, while I acknowledge the time and energy that you put into your interviews, I just don't think that anything that you have uncovered will lead the FBI to prove that Kenny was Cooper. It's all just too circumstantial and speculative to prove at this late date and I think some Cooper writers get so focused on a specific outcome that they get tunnel vision. I think it's an occupational hazard.
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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'I, for one, thought Gray wasted a tremendous opportunity. He had access to the actual files and I think he squandered that trying to be clever. I was left not knowing what was an actual quote from a witness or fact from the file and what was creative license. But then, I still don't understand what it is that gives some access to the files but not others -- but I think I've mentioned before that life ain't fair...'



Creative LICENSE? Are you kidding? Did you NOT read his book? He was granted an appointment with the case agent for crying out loud. That's how he got access to the files. He wasn't allowed to copy them, but he did view at least some of them and made notes. They probably did not give him unlimited time to do this, either. He thanks a lot of people, and used a LOT of sources. He names all sources on all key points and why they are listed.

You guys should try reading his Acknowledgements section in the back of the book, and the Notes section that precedes it! It's a non-fiction book, and that means when there is an Index, a Notes section, and Acknowledgements...that those things are a KEY part of the book! Gray lists every single source he contacted and why in Notes, and pretty much the same thing in Acknowledgements. Skyjack is extremely well-researched.

Sounds like some folks only looked at the pictures. :)
The only 'bad' thing that happened with Gray's book is due to Skipp Porteous' failure to update Gray on our investigation into Kenny Christiansen. And I have always felt bad about that because I think Gray would have been able to come to a conclusion on Kenny...had he been provided all the available information and the names and locations of certain people. I gave him everything later, but that's like closing the barn door after the horses have fled.


I think that maybe you didn't comprehend some of what you read. I read the entire book and there are many scenarios or conversations where it is not clear whether he was using an actual quote or event or making up a conversation based on what he read. Sorry, but there is a way to make it clear what is an actual conversation and what is not and he did not do this in all circumstances. This leads the reader to a lack of trust in the veracity of all they are reading.
Additionally, I did not say that the book was bad or worthless. It is what it is.

I said I thought he squandered a golden opportunity, given his access, to write a really good informative book on the Cooper hijacking if he had focused on things other than being clever with the Cooper twilight zone stuff.

But hey - it's his book so he can write whatever and however he wants. But hey again, I paid my dollars so I can offer my critique and say that I was a little disappointed with the final outcome after all the investigative hype.
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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'I, for one, thought Gray wasted a tremendous opportunity. He had access to the actual files and I think he squandered that trying to be clever. I was left not knowing what was an actual quote from a witness or fact from the file and what was creative license. But then, I still don't understand what it is that gives some access to the files but not others -- but I think I've mentioned before that life ain't fair...'



Creative LICENSE? Are you kidding? Did you NOT read his book? He was granted an appointment with the case agent for crying out loud. That's how he got access to the files. He wasn't allowed to copy them, but he did view at least some of them and made notes. They probably did not give him unlimited time to do this, either. He thanks a lot of people, and used a LOT of sources. He names all sources on all key points and why they are listed.

You guys should try reading his Acknowledgements section in the back of the book, and the Notes section that precedes it! It's a non-fiction book, and that means when there is an Index, a Notes section, and Acknowledgements...that those things are a KEY part of the book! Gray lists every single source he contacted and why in Notes, and pretty much the same thing in Acknowledgements. Skyjack is extremely well-researched.

Sounds like some folks only looked at the pictures. :)
The only 'bad' thing that happened with Gray's book is due to Skipp Porteous' failure to update Gray on our investigation into Kenny Christiansen. And I have always felt bad about that because I think Gray would have been able to come to a conclusion on Kenny...had he been provided all the available information and the names and locations of certain people. I gave him everything later, but that's like closing the barn door after the horses have fled.


It's the jail-house stubble. The hooded eyes that give the room the looky-loo. The garlicky broth at the bottom of my bowl. The porn star laces. A man on the lam. From his own secrets. I look into his eyes again. They appear darker now.

Yeah there's facts. And no photos. That joke was good. Real good. I like the way you know the parts of a book. Maybe it's just me? The way his ideas pitter patter like the rain. On a cardboard box. In an alley. A dead end alley.

It's non-fiction. Cause it's got notes. Except. For the creative license parts. Skyjack.

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'I, for one, thought Gray wasted a tremendous opportunity. He had access to the actual files and I think he squandered that trying to be clever. I was left not knowing what was an actual quote from a witness or fact from the file and what was creative license. But then, I still don't understand what it is that gives some access to the files but not others -- but I think I've mentioned before that life ain't fair...'



Creative LICENSE? Are you kidding? Did you NOT read his book? He was granted an appointment with the case agent for crying out loud. That's how he got access to the files. He wasn't allowed to copy them, but he did view at least some of them and made notes. They probably did not give him unlimited time to do this, either. He thanks a lot of people, and used a LOT of sources. He names all sources on all key points and why they are listed.

You guys should try reading his Acknowledgements section in the back of the book, and the Notes section that precedes it! It's a non-fiction book, and that means when there is an Index, a Notes section, and Acknowledgements...that those things are a KEY part of the book! Gray lists every single source he contacted and why in Notes, and pretty much the same thing in Acknowledgements. Skyjack is extremely well-researched.

Sounds like some folks only looked at the pictures. :)
The only 'bad' thing that happened with Gray's book is due to Skipp Porteous' failure to update Gray on our investigation into Kenny Christiansen. And I have always felt bad about that because I think Gray would have been able to come to a conclusion on Kenny...had he been provided all the available information and the names and locations of certain people. I gave him everything later, but that's like closing the barn door after the horses have fled.


It's the jail-house stubble. The hooded eyes that give the room the looky-loo. The garlicky broth at the bottom of my bowl. The porn star laces. A man on the lam. From his own secrets. I look into his eyes again. They appear darker now.

Yeah there's facts. And no photos. That joke was good. Real good. I like the way you know the parts of a book. Maybe it's just me? The way his ideas pitter patter like the rain. On a cardboard box. In an alley. A dead end alley.

It's non-fiction. Cause it's got notes. Except. For the creative license parts. Skyjack.

Yeah, it got kind of choppy. But I wasn't gonna get into my literary bias.
You got humor. I can tell. I like humor. Always appreciate someone that makes me grin.
You wouldn't happen to know a guy named Farf by chance ?
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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'Maybe you misunderstood me at some point. I don't have a weird idea that you can prove Kenny was Cooper. Quite the opposite, I don't think you can. Even if Kenny was Cooper I don't think you can prove it, and, while I acknowledge the time and energy that you put into your interviews, I just don't think that anything that you have uncovered will lead the FBI to prove that Kenny was Cooper. It's all just too circumstantial and speculative to prove at this late date and I think some Cooper writers get so focused on a specific outcome that they get tunnel vision. I think it's an occupational hazard...'



No need to waffle. Just say you don't think Christiansen was the hijacker. You have company there. And this isn't the first time I've done interviews or investigated some issue.

Your statement 'even if Kenny was Cooper, I don't think you can prove it,' is very true. That is not my job, since I am not the FBI. Only they can say who the hijacker was, should they ever discover the answer.

And you don't know EVERYTHING we uncovered. It's just too bad there are some folks out there who make it impossible to be more open and frank, sharing files and information in a Happy-Happy World. Unfortunately, that is the reality of things in Cooperland.

Some people can be trusted. Others have agendas. Some even engage in outright hatred over the whole case. Georger is a good example. He's been going on like that for months now LOL. :)


Robert, you should know by now that I don't waffle. You jump to conclusions. I have no opinion about Kenny other than I don't think the case has been made that Kenny Christiansen was Cooper. You say you don't have to prove it but you are the only one trying to make the case to the FBI. Do you think that fbi folks don't read and watch tv? If they were not interested in Christiansen from the book and Decoded, why would they come calling now? Wait - I know - it's all that new stuff that no one can be trusted with.

Hey maybe you'll have the last laugh, who knows.
As for the rest, I'm not gonna get into the drama crap.
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Blevins and one other person on this thread have accounted for about 50 percent of the posts here in the last few years. And these two people have been so disruptive that the real research on the Cooper hijacking has now been moved to another web page.

Robert99



Excuse me I started the first thread & then Quade established this one with specific rules. (All of which have been abandoned since he left)...out of frustration.

Blevins came to this thread several yrs after I was here &
there were lots of discussion about the crime prior to his entry to the DZ
. I was here to learn, but certain individuals only wanted to tear anything I said apart...I have defended myself & have repeated the same story 1000's of times. I also explored other subjects & was objective in those explorations...

When Jerry W came I had a suspicion about him from get go. Then all hell let loose...he became a disruptive factor with his bickering with Blevins. Blevins did NOT go back to square one with the thread to learn about the crime. He came here to promote a book with so many unfactual facts - we had no recoarse other than to inform him regarding all of the things he had incorrect.

Everyone including myself took him under our wings to at least get the facts of the case correct...

His story was molded by the thread & I listened to all of the things said on both side and interjected my thoughts & we all contributed to Blevins getting his facts correct on the basics.

JO WEBER is definitely not in a class with Blevins...What I have told was first hand information - but, no one wanted to believe this. I have been accused of contriving the story, but it is the same story I was telling the FBI & others before I ever came to the DZ.

I explored just like anyone should do....my bad!

There were posters who would twist what I said & I spent a lot of time trying to correct their conception of what I said & what someone else said & made me a part of their story.

I followed every lead I could & was in 101 for a brief time where I encounter the man who Blevins used to contrive his story.

That thread is gone now, but somewhere I have the originals I printed at the time & you will find that Blevins incorportated these thing into his story. Someone who worked the Tug Boats, horses, Paradise Park & multiple other things I now have forgotten ...I was at that time actively interacting with Himmelsbach & not the FBI. I was letting Himmelsbach inform the FBI of the things he & I discuss.

My mistake!

He would ask me to contact Jerry Thomas as he knew the area...that was a waste of time - for 5 yrs....he had lots of his own suspects and claimed the things I talked about did NOT EXIST....but they did & the first thing I did after I made my 2010 trip was to confront Jerry T. We have now made peace, but we do NOT discuss the case. He is no longer focused on Cooper.

Robt99 - did you read the entire thread?
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I belive "Cooper Royalty" was coined by Bruce Smith. Check it out!




As I recall, my coronation as Prince Bruce was triggered first by Bobby, who started calling the people who know what they are talking about - and otherwise messing up his KC narrative - as "Cooper Royalty."

I, of course, assumed he was talking about me.

I think he was also talking about Georger. Probably Roberto Nine-Nine, too. Certainly Meyer Louie. There may be others, but my attention was primarily focused on ME.

Now, the actual term "Price Bruce" was bestowed by 377. I forget the actual context, but who cares about that! It's the title that I remember!!! (Thanks, Three.)

In all modesty, I find the term Cooper Royalty to be quite handy. It pretty much lumps a core group of knowledgeable people together, and is much more informative than Bobby's current replacement terminology of "haters," which I don't think is quite accurate.

I don't hate Bobby. I think of him more as an errant duke; someone who needs the guidance of the royal court. Otherwise, we'd have kids jumping off of bridges, Discovery Channels execs pushing witnesses under buses, and books on Cooper having Cool-Looking Ram-Jet Parachutes on the Covers, next to the sub-title - "The Truth of DB Cooper."

We can't have that, now, can we!

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"...Do not speak to me about 'Danielle 1010,' ..."



I'm afraid I must, Bobby.

Danny Ten-Ten threatened to kill himself in a post he made here some time ago. He claimed that because he felt you didn't like him, he was going to jump of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge.

This declaration followed a series of other troubling statements from Danny Ten-Ten, such as vowing to piss on Bernies grave and perform other similar naughty behaviors.

As a result, I called Child Protective Services for his area near Atlanta, and spoke with their crisis workers. I also spoke with his mother. Before then, I contacted his school, alerting them to what an at-risk kid was doing in this looney bin of DB Cooper research.

Georger also made several interventions, calling the Atlanta newspaper (Journal?) and LE.

Danny's caregivers apparently responded appropriately, and he has not graced these pages since then, nor has he jumped off any bridges, as far as I know.

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"...And by the way, you never answered my question back there, which I'm sure everyone wants to know. You said your book had passed final editing. So where is it? ..."




I expect my book, "DB Cooper and the FBI - A Case Study of America's Only Unsolved Skyjacking," should be ready for purchase in about a month. Remember, this is my first time at this dance so I'm not exactly sure on the timing of release.

As for failing to answer your question in a more timely manner, I was distracted by your threats and duplicitous postings here. There was a lot of anger and misinformation on your part to sort out.

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I said that if you tried naming Kenny Christiansen as a CHILD MOLESTER without proof of such, I would pen a letter or two to your print provider requesting they ask you for proof of such an allegation.

Didn't say I would sue you, or take you to court, or any of the other drivel that has come rolling from your keyboard lately.

So stop making shit up.



It's always shocking to me when politicians get up and deny things, even when they are video'd for all to see. What are they thinking?

Robert, you continually call people untrustworthy and accuse them of making "stuff" up. Why do you do that? You know every post in this thread is saved and anyone could go back and look.

But, ok, let's go to the "videotape"....

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None of the people we interviewed who knew KC or lived with him EVER gave the slightest hint that Kenny Christiansen was inappropriately involved with underage boys. None of the evidence on him suggests anything like that. And for you to suggest this is wrong, unless you have evidence to support it.

If you put a passage like that into your book, I will definitely call our lawyer and file suit, and I will encourage Kenny's nephew Bruce Christiansen and his brother Lyle Christiansen to do the same. This isn't a threat, Bruce. We just want you to do the right thing, and for you to make an unsupported allegation against Christiansen for pedophilia is wrong. You know it. I know it.



http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4527422#4527422

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When I first read the unedited passage (it has been modified) in his book, yes...that was my initial reaction. And I talked to someone in the Christiansen family about it, as well as our attorney.

Our attorney said it would be better to simply talk to the print provider. .....

If you want to spend your time researching back on this thread simply to defend his actions and statements, feel free to do so. But remember that people often judge you on where you take moral stands on issues. You have made yours.

Which only proves our standards are a bit different.



I didn't take that as defending actions or statements. Moral stands on issues?
Jeez....looks to me like Mark was merely pointing out that you did, in fact, post on this thread about suing him for libel.

At which time, I responded and included a link about the generally uselessness of someone filing suit claiming defamation for a dead guy, the irony of someone suing for defamation while they are writing books making the claim that the same dead guy was a terrorist, and, as 377 pointed out, you have no legal standing to sue for KC.
But that's okay - you've had quite a few retractions so it is probably easy to get distracted.
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Mark can you possible get thru to Bruce and Blevins that this thread WILL be shut down because of their continued bickering.

The DZ members are already upset - because this has become blog & is NO long an exploratory about Cooper.

IT is the general feeling this has become on of the social sites...and belongs in the Chat Rooms - not in history and trivia.

This site is in History and Trivia because I requested it....and the entire
thread is now in jepardy of being completely remove from the DZ.

BLEVINS - NO MORE promotions of your book. .

You NEVER READ BACK TO THE BEINGING OF THE THREAD - I SUGGEST YOU DO SO BEFORE YOU MAKE ONE MORE POST.

The DZ did not intend for this to be a social site. It was put in History and Trivea to explore Cooper, BUT - the trivial things Bruce & Blevins continue to bicker about have ZERO to do with Cooper.

Also NO posting should be to promote a book....this is an exploration into the case.

Blevins, Bruce and others have made this a BASHING, PROMOTIONAL & CHAT site....NOT WHY this thread is in the category it is in.

I have received several communication - asking that it stop or the thread is GONE! They realize I am not the one probagating the problem.

Blevins and Bruce...this is NOT a place for bickering. Perhaps over in one of the CHATTY rooms is where you should take your chats.

A WARNING has been given - and I ASK you nicely to STOP it...

DO NOT reply either one of you to this post...IT is a WARNING. Stay on topic & keep the postings about explorations into the subject.

P.S. to Blevins: your postings are so repetitive one knows what you are going to say before it is read...you can't seem to stop advertising & promoting.
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Blevins walk away NOW! Do NOT reply to inflammatory remarks & do not talk about the boy. Do that in PRIVATE pms or by emails - NOT in the thread. THE continued postings are destructive and affect the lives of innocent individuals.

NOT for discussion on this thread.
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March 27, 1978 - I married Duane L. Weber and he died March 28, 1995.

37 yrs since our wedding and 20 yrs since his death.

I have done the BEST I could with limited resources to tell his story, but in a few months it will all be over...you will note in a few wks my distinct absense from the DZ. Will I be coming back? Only God knows the answer to that one.

Will it be the end of my quest to prove what I KNOW about Duane Weber? NO!

Is there something happening that NONE of you are aware of? YES!

Is it of any interest to certain self proclaimed Cooper KNOW it ALLS? NO

Is it the end of any claims the KNOW it ALLS make? You can be the judge on that in about 6 months.

At the rate of deterioration in the thread - I expect this thread will not be available in 3 months. Only the DZ knows the answer to that one.

I can hear 377's reply now...not again!
NEW information...I am NOT allowed to discuss....

Can JO put Duane Weber on that PLANE? I assure you if Duane was NOT the man on the Plane - he knew who was....Evidence will put Duane Weber or someone he knew on that PLANE!

Yea, just another one of my predictions, but this time I hold the ACE the FBI ignored and ONLY I and one other person in this world knows what I am talking about - that person does NOT read or post to this forum.

Will it be another dry run? Wait and See. Another Tease?

My mental status is just find.
I have willing done a mental evaluation, because of all of the flack made about this starting with Cook & his allegations. Cooper created a lot of stress in my life & still does - but I am finally at Peace regarding the outcome.

Even when it is made public there will be the naysayers. NO one will believe the truth.

Cooper was Duane L. Weber or he knew who Cooper was. Evidence or hearsay? Well, the naysayers might be in for a BIG surprise...even the FBI couldn't solve he crime. Wonder what they will do when the evidence is laid out before them? I did say EVIDENCE?

Again this is Just Jo ranting on and on and the voice only the DZ heard. Without the DZ - I would NOT know what I know today!
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"...You said your book comes out in about a month. This means you have a publisher, or have facility to make it available. Where and how? You did not answer this. Or is this claim a load of BS?..."



Patience, Bobby.

Fine wine takes time. You'll get your sip in due time. Have I ever lied to you? Trust me, the book is coming.

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March 27, 1978 - I married Duane L. Weber and he died March 28, 1995.

37 yrs since our wedding and 20 yrs since his death.




Well, Happy Anniversary, I suppose.

But, let's not get too chatty about your marriage. I wouldn't want the DZ to shut us down for inappropriate postings...

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This just in from Georger, at the dbcooper forum:

Who FIRST used the term "Cooper Royalty"?

Smith, Blevins, and Weber have been sniping back and forth about this for months at DZ, each one accusing the other. The answer is quite simple but it is Robert Blevins who took over the term and has been using it for years in a pejorative manner. Rest assured about that self-evident fact at Dropzone.

The origin of the term "Cooper Royalty" is quite simple, as any search shows. It was 377 who invented the term back on Nov 27 2011, then Meyer Louie used the term next on Dec 10 2012, then Blevins picked up the term in response to Meyer Louis ... and Blevins has been the one using the term in a pejorative sense ever since, as follows.

(A) On Nov 11, 2011, 377 commenting on the up-coming Cooper Symposium in Washington, tagged Brian Ingram and other principles in the Cooper story as "Cooper Royalty". 377 was merely giving a roster of important people who were going to attend the Symposium and no pejorative sense was intended or implied. 377's original post is here: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4229298;search_string=Cooper%20Royalty;guest=167495339#4229298

(B) Almost a year later on Dec 10, 2012, Meyer Louis in reply to a long list of people, addressed Blevins' claim that Blevins' work on KC was ground-breaking and Meyer said: nothing personal, it just seems far fetched to think you hold the key to this crazy case we all call DB Cooper, many claim Marla is nuts, Jo is nuts, Cook is nuts etc.. but I can't see that you have anything special Then Meyer concluded his post with the remark: I have another point to make Blevins. For some reason you think you are on the same level as Georger and others. Well, you're not. Co-writing a book and appearing on Decoded does not make you an expert. Some folks here are playing in the Big League with the big boys. You aren't there yet. Spending years and years on this case, interfacing with the FBI and the key players on a regular basis, for years, makes one an expert -- makes one "Cooper royalty" if you will. There are only a handful of people in this elite group. You're not there yet -- and you want to be so badly. Give it time Blevins.

(C) Blevins replied to MeyerLouie saying he never had considered himself special, but the launched a long winded attack against me and others finally saying: See, here's the Real Deal: ... I'm just Robert the Sci Fi Guy who Occasionally Edits Books. When I'm not doing that, I'm out in the mountains or something listening to Mariner or Seahawk games or MP3's ... Look, if I considered myself "Cooper Royalty" I would have showed up at the Portland Symposium with my slideshow gear and countered Marla's claims with some of my own. ... On Georger: He jumps on every post I make, no matter what it is. So IMHO his credibility, his opinions, mean zip to me. You have to pick and choose when to jump down someone's throat, and that should be for 'ridiculous assumptions' only, not because you just don't like someone. ... And in his next post Blevins picks up and starts using the term "Cooper Royalty" in a pejorative sense, he then wrote his "article" at Newsvine condemning "Cooper Royalty", he then invented a further negative term "Cooperland", and he is still using these terms almost daily at Dropzone, 3 years later! Jo Weber then picked up and began using the term in a negative way, about a year later.

Blevins' argument has always been that "Cooper Royalty" are flawed if not dishonest people, who are untrustworthy and Hate Mongers!

This term "Hate Mongers" is an exclusive term invented and used only by RobertMBlevins!

That is the factual origin and use of the terms "Cooper Royalty" and "Cooperland" and "Hate Mangers". From a completely neutral term coined by Mark (377), to Meyer's use of the term to counter Blevins' claims that Blevins and his work were somehow special, to Blevins' use of the term in a pejorative sense which starts on Dec 10, 2012 and continues right up to today, all at Dropzone.

It was also Mark-377 who coined the term "Venom Magnet" in reference of Bob Blevins clear back in 2010! It was a prophetic assignment of terms.

Quote, RM Blevins: ""...the term 'Cooper Royalty,'...I use the term to refer to a select group of people who think they are better, or smarter than others when it comes to investigating the case....".

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I really like dbcooper forum.

However Shutter needs to call a zero-tolerance halt to the "copy and paste" bullshit or his (or her) site will eventually self-implode into an embarrassing DZ Version 2.0. They will have the legacy of being the creator of exactly what they didn't like here.

I understand banning people from his/her's site. That's fine. If you own the site you can do whatever you want but then allowing your membership to attack Skyjack71 and RobertMBlevins (that's what I see) without any ability for them to defend themselves or their position is just juvenile and worse … it's cowardly.

It would seem to me if you hate the people here and this site enough to join another formed site to bad-mouth here, maybe you shouldn't spend all your time peeping through this site's keyhole.

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"...This is all very strange, very hateful stuff. But what is hard to understand is why when these things happen...that there are people who actually support these things, or go into denial even when I presented the evidence, and continue to do these things..."



Sigh.

Imagine what it's like being in my princely shoes. First, Bobby B passed out head shots of me to the Auburn PD so that I would be arrested if I ever attended his shin-dig.

Then, Mrs. Cooper alleges that I whacked Earl Cossey and rants that I should be investigated for that homicide.

And recently, a DZ'er asked me for an accounting of my Sex Life, claiming that it could be the key to unlocking the Cooper mystery.

And my therapist asks me if I think I'm delusional?

Herr Rikes, you see what I have to put up with? As my Aunt Teddy used to say, "Yee Gawds!"

Hopefully, my e-book will make enough money so I can afford a bottle of Tequila.

Know what I'm sayin,' Riksie?

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"...I really like dbcooper forum.

However Shutter needs to call a zero-tolerance halt to the "copy and paste" bullshit or his (or her) site will eventually self-implode into an embarrassing DZ Version 2.0...."




Controlling DB Cooper madness is a fine art, Herr Reichs. Yes, sometimes the db cooper forum resembles a drunken mud-wrestling match, but it's better than the Biker Bar mentality that we have here from time-to-time.

Over all, I say Shut does a good job of maintaining decorum. Yes, Georger is unrepentant, unyielding, and generally super cranky, but at least we don't have to share Thanksgiving dinner with him - know what I'm saying?

For the record, I appreciate Georger, but I don't understand him at all, especially his need to block my emails, PMs and Gawd knows what else. As far as I know, he has probably alerted FedEx and UPS to block any deliveries from me.

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I really like dbcooper forum.

However Shutter needs to call a zero-tolerance halt to the "copy and paste" bullshit or his (or her) site will eventually self-implode into an embarrassing DZ Version 2.0. They will have the legacy of being the creator of exactly what they didn't like here.

I understand banning people from his/her's site. That's fine. If you own the site you can do whatever you want but then allowing your membership to attack Skyjack71 and RobertMBlevins (that's what I see) without any ability for them to defend themselves or their position is just juvenile and worse … it's cowardly.

It would seem to me if you hate the people here and this site enough to join another formed site to bad-mouth here, maybe you shouldn't spend all your time peeping through this site's keyhole.



I agree to a certain extent. I don't know how much of this you know about, but it basically started with the bickering here. I decided to start another forum excluding the one's you mentioned.

Mr. Blevins decided that he wasn't going to be told where he can, or can not go, so, he joined under a false name specifically to stir the pot.

Mr. Blevins went on to claim the same as you are by stating it's not fair to discuss him while he is banned, but it appears to be ok for him to speak of others like Galen Cook who is banned from here, or Meyer Louie?

I put a stop to Galen's attacks on Mr. Blevins, and Jo Weber. he decided to be removed from the forum. the request was approved.

Mr. Blevins went on for months speaking of these chosen few that were banned from here, including taking screenshots of what was said on my forum. this seems to be acceptable on this side?

The whole problem I see is that Mr. Blevins, and Georger have never been able to discuss anything with each other. Georger is the one I believe you are talking about with the "copy/paste bullshit." personally, I don't think he is being cowardly. perhaps it's childish, but I don't follow how it's ok for Mr. Blevins to continue to speak about others who are banned from here?

It was a very hard transition trying to maintain a new forum with the bickering going on with Galen in the beginning. Mr. Blevins provokes things like giving Georger's real name on this forum knowing it will cause disruption. so, you then have Georger seeing this, and putting his two cents in because he can't post here.

I see a lot of quotes brought over by Georger because he doesn't agree with Mr. Blevins train of thought on a lot of things he says. now, Georger was on this forum for many years, and yet while he was here Mr. Blevins never painted him the way he does now. I see the same Georger over there as he was here.

It's a lot of drama that nobody needs, but tell me something. who controls what Mr. Blevins writes on this forum?

I put a permanent IP block on Robert for the simple reasons mentioned. as for peeping through the site's keyhole Mr. Blevins decided to use a proxy server to access the keyhole on my forum. then when I blocked proxies, he screamed censorship for months. he has now moved on with a VPN that further hides his identity to peek through the site's keyhole!

Two wrongs certainly don't make a right do they? I have yet to see any formal action take place on this forum. I like a lot of the people here, and don't wish the bad blood to continue, but I don't see any control here, do you?

I believe this is a forum to discuss DB Cooper, and not what others claim, or say. if you read the rules, and scroll back 20 pages. what do you see, lots of rules broken. I couldn't even get a response with filing a complaint here! I see numerous attacks here on Georger from both Robert, and Jo. they are hardly perfect themselves. nobody is perfect here. portions of blame go all around the house.



I appreciate your feedback, and I'm glad you have looked over the site.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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