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Those missions would be declassified by now, if they even happened.

Use the FOIA and show us those missions, then we may be inclined to think along those lines.

Personally, the hijacker is not one of the three we keep bantering about here, no conclusive evidence so far.

I think the hijacker, had a small amount of ACTUAL military training, in the exit and jumping arena, and had a risk-reward plan in mind that made it so we are confused by some of his choices.

And, if he still lives, he laughs at this thread daily, as he twists his MACVSOG ring and enjoys a cold beer in Mexico .

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matthewcline

Those missions would be declassified by now, if they even happened.

Use the FOIA and show us those missions, then we may be inclined to think along those lines.

Personally, the hijacker is not one of the three we keep bantering about here, no conclusive evidence so far.

I think the hijacker, had a small amount of ACTUAL military training, in the exit and jumping arena, and had a risk-reward plan in mind that made it so we are confused by some of his choices.

And, if he still lives, he laughs at this thread daily, as he twists his MACVSOG ring and enjoys a cold beer in Mexico .

Matt



makes sense...what is your thoughts about the knowledge of the plane Cooper had?
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Those missions would be declassified by now, if they even happened.

Use the FOIA and show us those missions, then we may be inclined to think along those lines.

Personally, the hijacker is not one of the three we keep bantering about here, no conclusive evidence so far.

I think the hijacker, had a small amount of ACTUAL military training, in the exit and jumping arena, and had a risk-reward plan in mind that made it so we are confused by some of his choices.

And, if he still lives, he laughs at this thread daily, as he twists his MACVSOG ring and enjoys a cold beer in Mexico .

Matt



These 727 missions in Southeast Asia did happen and have been written up by a fellow in Texas. I don't remember his name or the link but they have been on this thread for about the last three or four years.

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***Those missions would be declassified by now, if they even happened.

Use the FOIA and show us those missions, then we may be inclined to think along those lines.

Personally, the hijacker is not one of the three we keep bantering about here, no conclusive evidence so far.

I think the hijacker, had a small amount of ACTUAL military training, in the exit and jumping arena, and had a risk-reward plan in mind that made it so we are confused by some of his choices.

And, if he still lives, he laughs at this thread daily, as he twists his MACVSOG ring and enjoys a cold beer in Mexico .

Matt



These 727 missions in Southeast Asia did happen and have been written up by a fellow in Texas. I don't remember his name or the link but they have been on this thread for about the last three or four years.

Robert99


here is some info, scroll way down in the file

http://www.utdallas.edu/library/specialcollections/hac/cataam/Leeker/history/Tibet.pdf

the full video of which we always see can be found here

http://www.vietnam.ttu.edu/AirAmerica/FMFM/index.htm
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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The 727 was DESIGNED for small airports - DID you know that?



No, I didn't know that and I don't think your "source" knew that either.

The 727 was designed for routes shorter than the 707 routes and it was also designed to fit into the air traffic at airports that also handled the 707. Consequently, it was NOT designed for a small airport.

Perhaps you are confused by the 737 which was designed for secondary airports while its main competitor, the DC-9, was designed to fit into air traffic along with the 707, 727, etc..

Robert99

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***Those missions would be declassified by now, if they even happened.

Use the FOIA and show us those missions, then we may be inclined to think along those lines.

Personally, the hijacker is not one of the three we keep bantering about here, no conclusive evidence so far.

I think the hijacker, had a small amount of ACTUAL military training, in the exit and jumping arena, and had a risk-reward plan in mind that made it so we are confused by some of his choices.

And, if he still lives, he laughs at this thread daily, as he twists his MACVSOG ring and enjoys a cold beer in Mexico .

Matt



These 727 missions in Southeast Asia did happen and have been written up by a fellow in Texas. I don't remember his name or the link but they have been on this thread for about the last three or four years.

Robert99

I was addressing Jo's missions in AK, TX, etc. If she got those records, then she could do one of two things, confirm or deny DW's involvement. I think it is far fetched he had anything to do with SOF/Covert Ops

The SEA Missions are legendary in the Military Parachuting and SOF World. I have had the pleasure of jumping from some "none-jump" planes, or even ones "outdated".

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georger

The Damn Comic was never mentioned in the Cooper Case until Snowmman brought it up in this thread.



So what? Seriously. So what?

It's not as if bringing that to light comes with a copyright.

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mrshutter45

I agree with a lot of what you said until you use the term liar.


Thank you, Mr. Shutter.

Maybe the memories from when someone is 8 years old are off, but no one spends that much time with the FBI and undergoes a lie detector test when they make up a story unless they want to get into a heap of trouble.

Challenging Marla's story is fair game. But, the ad hominem attacks is why RobertMBlevins lacks credibility when he comments on Marla.

Jo, Marla and even RobertMBlevins himself all had things told to them (either directly or through non verbal responses like someone turning ashen when asked a question about the hijacking). It was a personal experience to each of them, so each of them believe it. Maybe one of them is correct, maybe none of them are. But I don't see any reason to think that any of them are lying about what they saw or heard.

(Bob Knoss - I'm not ready to commit on. I still think he might just be toying with us).

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***I agree with a lot of what you said until you use the term liar.


Thank you, Mr. Shutter.

Maybe the memories from when someone is 8 years old are off, but no one spends that much time with the FBI and undergoes a lie detector test when they make up a story unless they want to get into a heap of trouble.

Challenging Marla's story is fair game. But, the ad hominem attacks is why RobertMBlevins lacks credibility when he comments on Marla.

Jo, Marla and even RobertMBlevins himself all had things told to them (either directly or through non verbal responses like someone turning ashen when asked a question about the hijacking). It was a personal experience to each of them, so each of them believe it. Maybe one of them is correct, maybe none of them are. But I don't see any reason to think that any of them are lying about what they saw or heard.

(Bob Knoss - I'm not ready to commit on. I still think he might just be toying with us).

no problem Mark, it might have been you who set me straight about that word when I first came on here. I enjoy looking into stories such as Marla's, even though peeps are tired of her name. I must admit though it's hasn't been much of a challenge so far, but one never knows.....

I'm very interested in her putting all the cards on the table in the future....lot's of people have done some crazy things in order to get attention, money or fame, so let's see what the future brings. B|

here is a good example...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJVTHIyyM2E
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Robert99

***The 727 was DESIGNED for small airports - DID you know that?



No, I didn't know that and I don't think your "source" knew that either.

The 727 was designed for routes shorter than the 707 routes and it was also designed to fit into the air traffic at airports that also handled the 707. Consequently, it was NOT designed for a small airport.

Perhaps you are confused by the 737 which was designed for secondary airports while its main competitor, the DC-9, was designed to fit into air traffic along with the 707, 727, etc..

Robert99

You better do YOUR fricking research.
The whole idea of using the aft stairs was to make it available to access the smaller airport without the ramps.
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Jo, Marla and even RobertMBlevins himself all had things told to them (either directly or through non verbal responses like someone turning ashen when asked a question about the hijacking). It was a personal experience to each of them, so each of them believe it. Maybe one of them is correct, maybe none of them are. But I don't see any reason to think that any of them are lying about what they saw or heard.

(Bob Knoss - I'm not ready to commit on. I still think he might just be toying with us).



I know my response when I found out in 2001 about what the artist Roy Rose told Doug Pasternak. When Rose told Doug he couldn't make the mouth satisfy the witnessed because of an action he made with his mouth.
I immediately told Doug what it was! He and I both had chills from our head to our toes. I will never forget that moment as long as I live as I finished Doug's sentence.

He and I discussed Duane's having a lower particial at that time.

The next shocking moment was when I first saw that Jefferson Prison intake of Duane. All I could say was "Oh, My God!" Those who know me know that is seldom a terminology I use.

Ashen was NOT the correct terminology - absolutely speechless and the sounds I heard that did NOT want to stop that night was my physical reaction.
I will never forget the sounds - NOT ever. It was a eerie night!

Over the yrs I have felt anger and frustration. It is the moments of new found information and things that fit into what I had been telling for yrs - that took me to my knees or caused me to shout out to no one as I was alone.
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******The 727 was DESIGNED for small airports - DID you know that?



No, I didn't know that and I don't think your "source" knew that either.

The 727 was designed for routes shorter than the 707 routes and it was also designed to fit into the air traffic at airports that also handled the 707. Consequently, it was NOT designed for a small airport.

Perhaps you are confused by the 737 which was designed for secondary airports while its main competitor, the DC-9, was designed to fit into air traffic along with the 707, 727, etc..

Robert99

You better do YOUR fricking research.
The whole idea of using the aft stairs was to make it available to access the smaller airport without the ramps.


The Boeing 727 design was a compromise between United Airlines, American Airlines, and Eastern Air Lines requirements for a jet airliner to serve smaller cities with shorter runways and fewer passengers...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_727











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***The Damn Comic was never mentioned in the Cooper Case until Snowmman brought it up in this thread.



So what? Seriously. So what?

It's not as if bringing that to light comes with a copyright.

Once a piece of information is public, that's what it is; public.

I definitely realize that - it is just that I like to see credit given where credit is due. I despise deception even though I have had to participate in deception myself - often pleading ignorance to a subject or pretending to know more about the subject than I really did. 17 yrs is a LONG time to dwell on one subject.

I do try to remember who brought certain things forward and despise individuals who do NOT give the credits where they belong - instead taking credit for things they had NOTHING to do with.

I knew by participating in this thread that I had to be an open book and I have tried to do that. Believe you me, I could have taken the book thing and the movie thing offered to me, but I chose to find the truths. I was not comfortable with the "places" they wanted to go. It had to be the truth or nothing at all.

I walked on that in 2001 - but I did protect my rights in a limited sort of way. I know you are a writer Quade just like I know things about others who post here that let their guard down and disclose things about their personal lives. Most I have not a clue who they are or what the are and it makes NO difference - what mattered to me was the truth regardless of how it came down regarding Duane Weber.

I certainly did NOT expect what Mrshutter found with the Jefferson file to be so explosive. Instead of bringing resolution - it brought deception at the highest level to the forefront. Those who knew Duane - just did NOT believe those photos. They had thought perhaps the Jefferson file would aid me in walking away - but they like myself could only say "Oh, My God!" "Mom, he really was Cooper", "Damn him".

I wish they had been made public when there was still those alive who could have told the other parts of Duane's story. The ex died in 2004. I refused to provide her an address - she wanted to send me something. I will never know what that "something" was. Perhaps it was something that would have solve the case - now I will never know.

Max Gunther believed that Clara and Duane's ex were one and the same - that was from a recording of her voice. He made a trip to CA and when he returned he and I exchange our last letter and our last phone call in which he asked me if I had a marker and pen. We went thru the book and I marked the few things that Clara shared - the truths that he used to create his book. The book was mostly fiction.

Clara was real and the 6 phone calls he exchange with Clara are real - the story was created using those 6 phone calls - he had a lot of filling in to do...but, only after the FBI said they had no interest in Clara or her story. When Clara contacted Max - she thought Cooper was already dead because the last time he saw her in 1977 - he told her he only had about 5 yrs...

I remember that when I contacted the ex - she told me she thought he had died a long time before 1995....she was terrified of the FBI.
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Attached is an article from November of 1980.

L.D. Cooper and Sock stuffed with 25 thousand dollars found by a dog.

Almost as bizarre as the D.B. Cooper story.

Those L.D. Coopers are trouble! funny




Good one! you got me B| I stopped reading just after the 25 grand and went to the article.
nice touch leaving William out of it lol
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***I agree with a lot of what you said until you use the term liar.


Thank you, Mr. Shutter.

Maybe the memories from when someone is 8 years old are off, but no one spends that much time with the FBI and undergoes a lie detector test when they make up a story unless they want to get into a heap of trouble.

Challenging Marla's story is fair game. But, the ad hominem attacks is why RobertMBlevins lacks credibility when he comments on Marla.

Jo, Marla and even RobertMBlevins himself all had things told to them (either directly or through non verbal responses like someone turning ashen when asked a question about the hijacking). It was a personal experience to each of them, so each of them believe it. Maybe one of them is correct, maybe none of them are. But I don't see any reason to think that any of them are lying about what they saw or heard.

(Bob Knoss - I'm not ready to commit on. I still think he might just be toying with us).

wow! very well put.
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******Those missions would be declassified by now, if they even happened.

Use the FOIA and show us those missions, then we may be inclined to think along those lines.

Personally, the hijacker is not one of the three we keep bantering about here, no conclusive evidence so far.

I think the hijacker, had a small amount of ACTUAL military training, in the exit and jumping arena, and had a risk-reward plan in mind that made it so we are confused by some of his choices.

And, if he still lives, he laughs at this thread daily, as he twists his MACVSOG ring and enjoys a cold beer in Mexico .

Matt



These 727 missions in Southeast Asia did happen and have been written up by a fellow in Texas. I don't remember his name or the link but they have been on this thread for about the last three or four years.

Robert99


here is some info, scroll way down in the file

http://www.utdallas.edu/library/specialcollections/hac/cataam/Leeker/history/Tibet.pdf

the full video of which we always see can be found here

http://www.vietnam.ttu.edu/AirAmerica/FMFM/index.htm
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nice find ...

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airtwardo

*********The 727 was DESIGNED for small airports - DID you know that?



No, I didn't know that and I don't think your "source" knew that either.

The 727 was designed for routes shorter than the 707 routes and it was also designed to fit into the air traffic at airports that also handled the 707. Consequently, it was NOT designed for a small airport.

Perhaps you are confused by the 737 which was designed for secondary airports while its main competitor, the DC-9, was designed to fit into air traffic along with the 707, 727, etc..

Robert99

You better do YOUR fricking research.
The whole idea of using the aft stairs was to make it available to access the smaller airport without the ramps.


The Boeing 727 design was a compromise between United Airlines, American Airlines, and Eastern Air Lines requirements for a jet airliner to serve smaller cities with shorter runways and fewer passengers...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_727


Okay! So Airtwardo and Jo think the 727 was designed to serve "smaller cities with shorter runways and fewer passengers" and that the rear stairs were incorporated so that no ground stairs would be needed.

Let's consider some facts here based on my personal experiences and observations as having flown on 727s almost from the day they went into service.

I have boarded and deplaned from 727s using the rear stairs and the forward door which may have its own retractable stairs installed, may use stairs mounted on a truck, and used "jet ways" when they started coming into use. All of this was at "larger airports".

When using the rear stairs, the forward door was also in use without exception. I have never even seen a commercial airliner in the USA use only the rear stairs for boarding and deplaning.

I have visited "smaller airports" (and I do mean small in the sense of light traffic) on DC-9s, which also has a rear stairs, and all boarding/deplaning was done through the forward door. The rear stairs were never lowered.

The 707 was designed to be an "Intercontinental" aircraft and one version of it was named just that. But the 727 was designed to fill in the gaps between the east and west coasts. The passenger capacity of the original 707 and 727 was not particularly different. But as jets became the way to travel, various versions of these two aircraft evolved to serve specific market conditions.

If Boeing built an aircraft for the smaller markets, then it would have to be the 737. And the 737 has evolved a bit over the years that it has been in production.

I stand by my original statements.

Robert99

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matthewcline

Those missions would be declassified by now, if they even happened.

Use the FOIA and show us those missions, then we may be inclined to think along those lines.

Personally, the hijacker is not one of the three we keep bantering about here, no conclusive evidence so far.

I think the hijacker, had a small amount of ACTUAL military training, in the exit and jumping arena, and had a risk-reward plan in mind that made it so we are confused by some of his choices.

And, if he still lives, he laughs at this thread daily, as he twists his MACVSOG ring and enjoys a cold beer in Mexico .

Matt

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What specifically did he do that makes him stand out, to you?

Been over this ground before.

BTW it puzzles me that Cooper had to ask if the incoming flight
was a 727. He evidently had no other way to check. ?

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Check out the description of William LD Cooper. He is about the same age of LD (if LD was born in 1931) plus he has all the attributes of a D.B. Cooper.

Minneapolis Star-Tribune - Oct 10, 1986
The 56-year-old Minnesotan who caused this flurry of official curiosity is an adventurer, bank robber and drug smuggler named William LD Cooper

coincidences abound

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Check out the description of William LD Cooper. He is about the same age of LD (if LD was born in 1931) plus he has all the attributes of a D.B. Cooper.

Minneapolis Star-Tribune - Oct 10, 1986
The 56-year-old Minnesotan who caused this flurry of official curiosity is an adventurer, bank robber and drug smuggler named William LD Cooper

coincidences abound



this might be William Lloyd David Cooper AKA wild Bill Cooper, he was looked at as a suspect for DB Cooper.

http://www.paullundgren.com/journalism-mnmonthlycooper.cfm
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December 1994 issue of Soldirier of Fortune. The day Nam Nearly went Nuclear by John Mullins. BuDop March 1966. A magazine - the only thing Duane left in a safe deposit box I had NO knowledge of until his death and the hidden wallet.

Duane claimed to have known a couple of the guys! I don't know which ones.

Two pictures from the article attached:
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