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RobertMBlevins

Okay...that last post of yours made a lot of sense. Well, maybe not. I think you and the bold/underline command have a 'thing' going...:S

Meet you for a discussion? Are you kidding me? After Gayla saw some of your posts, she wanted me to edit you out of the Ariel video. B| I told her you weren't worth the trouble to do so.



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this was said on April 13, 2013.
mrshutter wrote:

"what judge would send you to prison right off the bat for a crime, unless it was violent
or a very serious crime. forging checks is not that bad a crime to go to prison as a first
time offender. even back then. but I could be wrong if documents prove other wise."

you responded with this"

WHOA! YOU are too young to know that. The check was a federal check he forged and Duane had been kicked out the NAVY and ARMY. THe judge was a hard liner - sent others to McNeil bearly over the legal age.
He was no LENIENT especially if there was any military breaches.

"What would put a young man in prison in 1940's U guys today get a slap on the wrist and told to go home and a good boy.
Unless you were part of the system in 1940's suggest U do some research about that era!
Do NOT be so QUICK to judge and tell an old woman who had done the research that it was NOT so."

once again this appears not to be the case. the two articles clearly state he violated his probation (just as I thought)

placed on probation Sept. 19, 1944
Nov. 26, 1944 he steals $5 from a purse in Illinois.
15 days in jail, probably sent to California after sentence.

I don't know how it was in the 40's but they hold VOP'S for 10 days with no bail until you see the Judge.
Duane pissed the Judge off by leaving town, so, he threw him in prison. since they thought he was 24? or what ever age. how did they know they tossed a 20 year old in a Federal prison?

the two articles can't be that far off from the truth. if Duane wasn't there in November of 44, how did they write the articles? (VOP stands for violation of probation or parole)

2011 you stated he was awaiting trial and took off. this doesn't match known records.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Wouldn't it take a federal charge to put Duane in McNeil? And if he was there within five weeks of being arrested in Chicago, it must have involved a prior conviction of some sort.

Robert Nicholson



Robert this was discussed before.
I did a detailed review of the files about the McNeil thing.
Duane had been charged in CA with a Federal Crime of stealing government checks. As he was awaiting trial in late 1944 he took off and headed East. He was found, but without going back to those records and letters to his mother I can't possibly keep all of this in my head.

When he was found (due to a petty thief crime - probably food) the authorities wrote his mother a letter that he was being sent back to CA. When he arrived in CA. in early 1945 (only days later) he was sentenced to McNeil and transported immediately.

During the time he took off from Ca in 1944 - was arrested and sent to a county facility and when they did the check found the outstanding warrants in CA. I was told that the judge he was going before in CA. was HARD LINE and Duane was scared and ran away. Because the crime commited in CA was the theft and or forgery of federal cks, I think that is why he was sent to McNeil.



Mrs:)ABOVE is the posting you are referring to in its entirety. If you will look at the posts pages prior to that I was WORKING with actual letters and communications between Duane's mother and the authorities. What was outlined in many of those prior pages is correct and follows the paper trail. I did NOT see nor was I privey to the news articles from which some of your information came from. I trust the records - not the media.

My info came from FAMILY RECORDS and what the sister and brother told me. I have many written documents, but some I acquired later and they are just all mixed up. xxx sent me what I had on the court appearances so perhaps he still has copies. It was OLD archived files - I assume. Names of judges and dates.

I will read what you guys are referring to later - I read the post and spent what comfortable time I had searching for the actual post and what was going on just before so I would have a full grasp of what you ARE trying to say or how it was interpreted by other!

Right now the search wore me down - so I went ahead and reposted the post & will address it later. Might not be tonight. I should have gone to the ER last night - but avoid them like the plague.

I may have to go to night if I do NOT get to feeling better - the symptoms keep coming and going and I am not sure what is going on. Just know I do NOT feel right!

Last 3 days and off & on today things are happening outside or the normal problems I experience on a regular basis. Not sure what is wrong. I thought it was my coming down off of the high doses of steroids they had me on! Then I started a regime of Anti-infammatories that may not like joining forces with the steroids.
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I can't seem to find an age limit on Federal prison inmates. Clarence Carnes was sent to Leavenworth at age 18, and then was sent to Alcatraz under the age of 21. age 19 to be accurate. this was the same time period as Duane.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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mrshutter45

I can't seem to find an age limit on Federal prison inmates. Clarence Carnes was sent to Leavenworth at age 18, and then was sent to Alcatraz under the age of 21. age 19 to be accurate. this was the same time period as Duane.



You are correct! I thought the same thing - that you had to be 21 - but it was 18 in the day. At least according to those who did the research about that time when we were discussing all of this before. Regardless the record had Duane 4 yrs older than he actually was - because of the ID he had when he was arrested.
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MeyerLouie

***Okay...that last post of yours made a lot of sense. Well, maybe not. I think you and the bold/underline command have a 'thing' going...:S

Meet you for a discussion? Are you kidding me? After Gayla saw some of your posts, she wanted me to edit you out of the Ariel video. B| I told her you weren't worth the trouble to do so.



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I would be honored to be edited out, thank you. The more distance between you and me, the better.

MeyerLouie

Then stop asking to meet me. Cause it aint happening. The video stays because I don't feel like taking the trouble to edit it because of you. As far as your Bruce Smith comments on his upcoming book, you obviously don't know the publishing business any more than you know proper manners. If it were easy to set up a book at Amazon for paperback and for the Kindle, people wouldn't pay me money to do it for them occasionally. The service I offered to Bruce for free I normally charge more than a thousand dollars to do. He will make 2.10USD on each Kindle download, $1.70 on every borrow under Amazon Prime, about $3.00 net on every paperback sale. And that's if the Kindle price is set to the minimum, paperback set to 55% off the cover price, which encourages sales and listings by other vendors. His book will be available in seven additional foreign markets for Kindle, and worldwide at wholesale rates in paperback. Cover art included if he wishes. All for free...and they will credit his bank account monthly. I will even set up his Kindle publishing account at Amazon and his LSI account for the paperback if he wants. If I do that, the value is nearly two grand, but I am happy to do it. He probably wishes you would shut up about it.

On another note, Airtwardo's video was really good. If showing Old Glory at a few thousand feet doesn't say 'America,' I don't know what does. :)


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RobertMBlevins

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfJ_HCrHzqo&feature=youtu.be

What a GREAT way to spend a weekend in Nor.Cal.! B|





~~my 'rear' facing camera...different perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F_TYCqgXtU



Nice. Any video of your arch jump ?

He said that comes on the Fourth of July.

ok .. that will deserve major news video.

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RobertMBlevins

******Okay...that last post of yours made a lot of sense. Well, maybe not. I think you and the bold/underline command have a 'thing' going...:S

Meet you for a discussion? Are you kidding me? After Gayla saw some of your posts, she wanted me to edit you out of the Ariel video. B| I told her you weren't worth the trouble to do so.



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I would be honored to be edited out, thank you. The more distance between you and me, the better.

MeyerLouie

Then stop asking to meet me. Cause it aint happening.

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Hey Blevins, don't fall all over your self-importance. I was making a joke -- do you really think after all the verbal abuse I've thrown at you lately that I want to meet with you? Grab a clue, Big Guy. MeyerLouie

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The video stays because I don't feel like taking the trouble to edit it because of you. As far as your Bruce Smith comments on his upcoming book, you obviously don't know the publishing business any more than you know proper manners.

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That's not even the point, Dumbo. Your advice and offer is unsolicited. Don't you think if Bruce wanted your advice and assistance, he would have asked? Bruce is pretty good about things like that -- he's a journalist, for crying out loud. If he wants something from someone, he asks. Since you weren't asked, maybe your humble expert opinion is unwanted. You probably should ask him, not me.

MeyerLouie

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If it were easy to set up a book at Amazon for paperback and for the Kindle, people wouldn't pay me money to do it for them occasionally. The service I offered to Bruce for free I normally charge more than a thousand dollars to do. He will make 2.10USD on each Kindle download, $1.70 on every borrow under Amazon Prime, about $3.00 net on every paperback sale. And that's if the Kindle price is set to the minimum, paperback set to 55% off the cover price, which encourages sales and listings by other vendors. His book will be available in seven additional foreign markets for Kindle, and worldwide at wholesale rates in paperback. Cover art included if he wishes. All for free...and they will credit his bank account monthly. I will even set up his accounts at Amazon and LSI if he wishes. If I do that, the value is nearly two grand, but I am happy to do it. Here's a secret: AB makes far more on editing and packaging for outside authors than we do on actual book sales. I do about eight to ten private edits a year. A smart editor can make you look good, and I've edited more than fifty books now for some very happy authors.

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And all this information has relevance to what exactly. It was unsolicited, so it's unnecessary and irrelevant!

MeyerLouie


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He probably wishes you would shut up about it.

How the hell would you know? I guess you speak for everyone here now. Geez Blevins, give the arrogance a rest. What the hell is wrong with you? You're not normal, dude. What happened? Potty training went terribly wrong?

MeyerLouie

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georger

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfJ_HCrHzqo&feature=youtu.be

What a GREAT way to spend a weekend in Nor.Cal.! B|





~~my 'rear' facing camera...different perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F_TYCqgXtU



Nice. Any video of your arch jump ?

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Incredible Airtwardo, thanks for sharing it. MeyerLouie

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That's not even the point, Dumbo. Your advice and offer is unsolicited. Don't you think if Bruce wanted your advice and assistance, he would have asked? Bruce is pretty good about things like that -- he's a journalist, for crying out loud. If he wants something from someone, he asks. Since you weren't asked, maybe your humble expert opinion is unwanted. You probably should ask him, not me.

MeyerLouie



You REALLY should review the stuff you post sometimes. Like with the all-out bold and underlines and the constant liquid trash flowing from your, well...whatever place it comes from.

No, we are not that important. But I have better manners than you any day of the week. And twice on Sunday. You were the one who dissed the idea of AB assisting Bruce on his upcoming book. When you got a response, you didn't like it. Well, that's too bad. I've invited Bruce on a camping trip this summer up in the Olympics to discuss these issues and maybe do a hi-def video on the case in general. At one point you were invited, but that invitation is long gone.

We're going to help him present his material in the best manner possible, and make the most money doing it if possible, whether you like it or not. I have discussed this with Bruce already and we stand ready to assist. If he refuses, that's up to him and you have absolutely nothing to do with it. ;)

To Everyone Else: On Saturday, August 10th at the Auburn Avenue Theatre in (where else?) Auburn, WA we're doing a Triple Feature.

Admission is FREE. Refreshments provided at the same price by Gayla. Popcorn provided by a volunteer doing an Old-Time Popcorn Machine. I'm bringing the melted butter, because I don't believe in popcorn with fake butter or whatever that oil is they dump on your five dollar a bucket corn at the usual places.

Movies don't start until 2PM because of the parade, although you can drop by the theatre for water, some AC, free snacks, whatever.

Films: Them, The Leech Woman, and Robinson Crusoe on Mars - The Criterion Edition. The heck with it. I went out and picked up a blanket license from the MPLU allowing me to do free admission films once a year. The Criterion license I had to do separately. But I didn't care. I really did not. I was not happy about the following:

When they tore down the Valley 6 Drive-In Theatre after fifty years I got really pissed off. (Yes, I get angry sometimes...but more about issues and much less about people, whom I will forgive almost anything)

So I got me a license to kill. Okay, not to KILL, but to show films as long as I don't charge admission.

So we will do movies at the Auburn Ave once a year in revenge.

Be there or be square. And if you aren't, we don't care.

This event endorsed by the NWSFS. For you out-of-towners, that's the Northwest Science Fiction Society. I especially want to see Them. Giant ants, nuclear weapons testing. It was like a warning, LOL. :)The Leech Woman isn't bad, either. Coleen Gray using that ring to smash guys' skulls and collect the Insta-Young liquid you mix with the magic powder to make you young again.

Problem: It wears off after a while and you look older than before. More male-brain hunting required to keep up appearances. :)
Criterion was really nice to us regarding Robinson Crusoe on Mars. They cut the rate once I pointed out that they had sent us an advance copy through their Orange Media outlet and I did a nice review on it...B|


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georger

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfJ_HCrHzqo&feature=youtu.be

What a GREAT way to spend a weekend in Nor.Cal.! B|





~~my 'rear' facing camera...different perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F_TYCqgXtU



Nice. Any video of your arch jump ?

You mean the one on the 4th of July? ;)

Paperwork is all in...just hoping for great weather.

~that's me with the flag, both the banner jumper & I had cameras on. Nice jump even if it was 112 degrees on the ground.










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I have worked this doesn't seem to be the case in the area's needed (70-71) or they would be on his taxes?
what ever you did with Duane was years past 1971. it appears they were not making a lot of money (per tax form) in 71. where did the travel expenses come from? Duane would have hadto find money to fly or drive to Portland. it seems we have him on the east coast in 1971.




Jo States:

Remember I spoke many many times with the Woman he was with in 1988 to 1972.

THEY TRAVELED!. They went to KS and then to AZ and CA. Duane left her in Phoenix with her sister and he went to CA/WA - susposedly about money his parents left him and the brother screwing him out of his share (what he supposedly told her). When they were CA he left her in a hotel for a wk by herself while he went else where.
This was before the crime.

Thieves travel on stolen money or did you not realize there were many crimes Duane committed without getting caught - I KNOW this for a FACT! In 1970 and 1971 - they made many trips to FLA and other places and they came home with suitcases full of furs and jewelry. This was told to me by a child who was only 9 yrs old at the time.

This child found me thru this thread!
When he called me he thought I was the "other" woman. He told me things that broke my heart - things Duane and his mother did. After he realized I was not the woman who Duane took up with at that time - he spilled his heart and soul to me.

He is a tormented soul and I just listened. He has many problems due to the way he was raised and I wanted to hold him in my arms and make the pain go away. We communicated for a while but his emotional problems got so bad the wife asked that I cease talking to him. I HOPE with ALL of MY HEART and SOUL he has found the strenght to go on and be all he can be.

The things he told me I do NOT repeat and I cry when I think of him and the life he lived and how it affected him. If I had been able to have paid for treatment for him I would have done so - I am sorry, just talking about this is very very stressful for me and it was very stressful for him.

You see NOT all you need to know is on a piece of paper! NOT even a fraction of it. There is much much more to the sordid yrs of 1968 - 197l and some of it extended into the first 3 months of 1972.

NO MORE will be said about this in the thread. I have tried to do what I had to do without involving others and causing them more pain than they deserve to suffer.

I have had enough - YOU do NOT know the things I know and others lived during those yrs - if you did it you would have your head in the toilet puking! If Weber was alive and I knew the thing I know now about those yrs and some of the yrs following that - he would have been back in prison.

Some how for some reason - I never saw this horrid monster streak Weber possessed. I got a glimps of it after he went on the Machine - thank God it was short lived - but for wks I lived on pins and needles - never knowing what he was going to do or say for about 2 months.

Sorry I cannot GO ON!
I will never discuss this again. I mentioned some of it in the past in the thread and then chose to let it be like leaves of three. It is poison to the mind and the spirit!
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Anyone trying to reconstruct Weber's life from 1968 to mid 1972 is treading in water. I am the only person left to tell that story.

I tried to get the FBI to allow me to see her - as just a friend but wired. I felt she would open up to me. The FBI BLEW the interview with her.

I later communicated with her and won her confidence. The things she shared with me NO one will ever believe. It took many nights at 2AM and and 3AM talking to someone 3 sheets in the mail. I had to be at work at 9AM. I have my notes and a couple of recordings. She died in Nov of 2004.

I spoke with her daughter who died 2 yrs before the mother. The daughter supposedly died of an over-dose. I had only 2 conversations with the daughter - the first one was when I first contacted her mother and she convinced her mother to talk with me.

The second was not too long before she ODed. I had called to speak with the mother in during the day - hoping to avoid a long early morning conversation and the daughter was HOME ALONE. She had hoped I would call sometime when her mother was not home. She OPENED up and told me thing NO ONE will ever believe that knew Duane in the later yrs of his life.

She talked about a son she gave away and about Duane. She told me she knew Duane was Cooper and that she had some old things of his she kept. She said "Duane was D.B.Cooper". The conversation would never have taken place had her mother have been home. She had just returned from a stay in Oregon around Eugene (I guess it was a rehab program, but she claimed it was a man who was going to help her and provided her with a job cleaning).

1968 to mid 1972 - there is only one person and he was a child and grew up to be a good guy, but haunted by this past with his mother and Duane.

He told me the story about the tie and where it came from. Was it Cooper's tie - there is no way to know that? Duane had received a birthday present from the step-daughter in 1970 - it was a tie clip - his birthstone.
Duane was born June 18th 1924.

I have notes of my conversations - scribbled and some I can no longer make out or remember the meaning of the note.

NO one knows more about the time from 1968 to mid 1972 than myself and what I know came from the people who lived with him. His employers of the day - knew nothing about his personal life. Yes, I spoke to one of them - the other one I was warned NOT to speak with...as he was a dangerous man. There was another employer who moved to Ft.Lauderdale who Duane went to see on 2 differenct occassion during our marriage...alone!

I know this man's name and that he had a very very fancy car (one that you change the top with a lift in his garage). The only thing Duane EVER told me about this man. It was always that he was going to see him about some business.

The wife before me entered the picture some time around early 1972 or late 1971 - but she is talking to know one and maybe deceased now.
She found out what he was during her marriage and called him some really bad name - I didn't know the man she ranted about - because that was not the man I had known for 18 yrs.

His best friend didnt' know the man I knew - he is still alive and keeps intouch with me. This is the one that JT has misquoted (deliberately misquoted) many times. JT evidently represented himself as FBI to the guy - but he doesn't remember now how JT identified himself. This old friend has been adamant that the story JT told was a lie. WHY did and why DOES JT lie?
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airtwardo

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfJ_HCrHzqo&feature=youtu.be

What a GREAT way to spend a weekend in Nor.Cal.! B|





~~my 'rear' facing camera...different perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F_TYCqgXtU



Nice. Any video of your arch jump ?

You mean the one on the 4th of July? ;)

Paperwork is all in...just hoping for great weather.

~that's me with the flag, both the banner jumper & I had cameras on. Nice jump even if it was 112 degrees on the ground.

For the St Louis jump how does the FAA handle air traffic in
the area during the jump? Are news helicopters banned from
the area, for example, to give you space?

How high will the team be jumping from to hit the space
between the arch?

We have National Guard guys that jump into the small
confines of the City High football stadium every year.
The stadium is in a small hollow surrounded by buildings
and tress and power lines. They jump low and never miss
their mark. Look that stadium up on Google (City Highschool
football stadium, Iowa City, IA) By contrast UI Kinnick
Stadium is huge and open.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWfSIxIFlbY

Hardly a credible person, when the family says she is lying and making things up for attention, and she admitted her motivation is a great payday. Not to mention her story doesn't add up.

But, good luck on the Film Work Career.

Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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georger

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfJ_HCrHzqo&feature=youtu.be

What a GREAT way to spend a weekend in Nor.Cal.! B|





~~my 'rear' facing camera...different perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F_TYCqgXtU



Nice. Any video of your arch jump ?

You mean the one on the 4th of July? ;)

Paperwork is all in...just hoping for great weather.

~that's me with the flag, both the banner jumper & I had cameras on. Nice jump even if it was 112 degrees on the ground.

For the St Louis jump how does the FAA handle air traffic in
the area during the jump? Are news helicopters banned from
the area, for example, to give you space?

How high will the team be jumping from to hit the space
between the arch?

We have National Guard guys that jump into the small
confines of the City High football stadium every year.
The stadium is in a small hollow surrounded by buildings
and tress and power lines. They jump low and never miss
their mark. Look that stadium up on Google (City Highschool
football stadium, Iowa City, IA) By contrast UI Kinnick
Stadium is huge and open.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

There will be a notice to airmen in place warning traffic of the drop...we have the airspace for a designated time.

We'll be in contact with the tower from take-off until jumpers away.

Exit is at 5000' AGL

The tough one is the OK to use a national park as the LZ... fairly detailed insurance is also involved. PRO rated jumpers only, special roped off area and qualified ground crew only.

The logistics are a pain in the ass...but how often do ya get to do something like this? (It's my 2nd time ;))










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until you come up with something other than stories from family, your not going to get anywhere. Marla is back out looking for attention, swearing LD was Cooper.

lot's of people saying lot's of things. however, backing them up always seems to take second place......B|

when looking at this from the outside as I do, one can be amazed how family members want to prove a relative committed a capitol crime........I would love to be a fly on the wall in the room with Marla, Blevins and Jo.....B|
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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A new youtube video interview with Marla claims LD Cooper married
a FBI agent shortly after hijack in Arizona.

Video shows new pic with wife and baby.

Video is under Studio21atNSA on youtube

Search Studio21atNSA on youtube



I put up two pics that according to Marla would be less than a year apart. plus I found evidence of marriage in 1971 of a Lynn D Cooper married Becky Jo Defoe.

I have lot's of records showing him in Reno, not Arizona at these times.....
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Timothy Mellon has sued TIGHAR claiming they swindled him out of one million dollars last year in order to finance their 2012 Earhart search.

TIGHAR's fund raising has long been criticized and they have had numerous lawsuits on many matters.

For juicy details on the Mellon/TIGHAR lawsuit, Google "TIGHAR MELLON LAWSUIT" and take your pick of articles.

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