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I've mentioned this before, but what if Brian's parents put the money there and subtly encouraged their boy to clear a particular spot for a fire?

Perhaps they had a larger stash that was found/taken under compromising circumstances. Perhaps they wanted to see if the loot could be kept and whether it was negotiable currency? If it was "found" at T Bar by a child there wouldnt be any hard questions about the curcumstances of its discovery.

I've no evidence that this occured, I'm just trying to think outside of the box.

The T Bar money drives me nuts.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[mrshutter45 10]

"The T Bar money drives me nuts."
I bet it whispers to you at night.....I have a secret and I'm not telling....

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I've mentioned this before, but what if Brian's parents put the money there and subtly encouraged their boy to clear a particular spot for a fire?

Perhaps they had a larger stash that was found/taken under compromising circumstances. Perhaps they wanted to see if the loot could be kept and whether it was negotiable currency? If it was "found" at T Bar by a child there wouldnt be any hard questions about the curcumstances of its discovery.

I've no evidence that this occured, I'm just trying to think outside of the box.

The T Bar money drives me nuts.

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When Cooper put that money there it was a salute to an old friend or just disposing of useless money - little did he know he perpetrated a legend that would out live him.

When the money was found and he learned the money was traceable - he hit the high road or was it the low road? He was prepared at that time to sacrifice all he loved to keep his freedom.

Well, the media died down and he went on with his life until the books came out in the mid 1980's. By then he knew his time on this earth was limited.

He made a trip to retrive what was left in a safe deposit at a great risk of being found out - but he knew his time was limited - so what he had was his insurance (what was left of the money he had tucked away). What he needed now was a means to WASH the remaining money and selling old stuff thru a shop was the perfect setting. No one was looking for Cooper money and most of it had been WASHED at the Casino's. He was free and he wasn't dying in a prison.

We often think we are immortal and he waited too late to reveal what he had done - he tired thru the morphine and even refused medication to be able to communicate with his wife. She just did NOT get it - He cursed the situation - Oh! Fuck! Let it die with me! SHE wasn't getting it she didn't understand! He thought she would find what he left in the VAN, but she just didn't get it!

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My feeling is you're just a prick, incapable of learning
or doing constructive mental work.

Just makin' sure you comprehend the obvious...

I think its BULL syndrome... certain people see a post by Jo or Blevens and its like waving the red cape.... their eyes fill with red and civility goes out the door.

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I've mentioned this before, but what if Brian's parents put the money there and subtly encouraged their boy to clear a particular spot for a fire?

Perhaps they had a larger stash that was found/taken under compromising circumstances. Perhaps they wanted to see if the loot could be kept and whether it was negotiable currency? If it was "found" at T Bar by a child there wouldnt be any hard questions about the curcumstances of its discovery.

I've no evidence that this occured, I'm just trying to think outside of the box.

The T Bar money drives me nuts.

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Not outside box thinking at all ... outside the box
thinking would include Leonard Euler's harmonic
resonance theorems explaining thermodynamics in
1746, then turning around and saying the derivation
must be 'particulate'! (statistical). Newtonian wave
mechanics was dominating everyone's thoughts at the
time. By 1900 the theory had become quantum
mechanics.

What makes anyone believe the Tena Bar money
requires some extra-ordinary solution? Maybe 'that'
expectation is the problem.

Here's another example of out of the box thinking:
AJ Clemente from Boston makes his TV news anchor
debut in Mormon Utah by saying: "Hi folks. I'm used
to thinking I'm from the east coast'" They
fired him, poor guy.

The Ingrams did not plant the Tena Bar money!
If they did where did 'they' get it ?!

They did try to keep several 'souvenirs' but we will
glide by that - Not open for discussion
this forum.

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And in fact, there are some natural weather factors that can explain the original 1947 sighting.

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Yeah, lenticular clouds have fooled a lot of folks into thinking they were viewing alien craft.

If a real UFO phenomena existed you'd expect a dramatic rise in photo and video records of suspected UFOs with the advent of smart phones with cameras. That has not happened.

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A kid I grew up with and went through Physics with
wound up the director of Project Bluebook. Every time
I would see the sob after our college years I would
ask when he was going to Venus! He would laugh and
say: "Can;t talk about it. It's classified"!

That guy wound up a Sr VP in the Chase Manhattan
Bank! Then worked with the British Govt.as an
economist reorganising their power industry ...

Now I'm here doing DB Cooper and he copies this
website every now and then and will email with
barbs I can;t repeat.

He is a huge fan of Blevins and Airtwardo!

Which one was your pal G?

2.1 The Captain Ruppelt era 2.1.1 Robertson panel
2.1.2 Aftermath of Robertson panel

2.2 The Captain Hardin era
2.3 The Captain Gregory era
2.4 The Major Friend era
2.5 The Major Quintanilla era
2.6 The Condon Committee

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It's classified. Every attempt (by any of us) to get him to talk about Project Bluebook (among friends informally) failed. "It's classified".

I was simultaneously pissed and proud of him.

The only person I ever knew who took UFO's half seriously was Carl Sagan, not because he believed in
them but because he wanted to get to the bottom of them. Try:

Intelligent Life in the Universe, I.S. Shklovskii
coauthor C. Sagan, Random House, 1966, ISBN
1-892803-02-X, 509 pgs (note: republished in 1998
by Emerson-Adams Press)

I highly recommend this book, above.

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My feeling is you're just a prick, incapable of learning
or doing constructive mental work.

Just makin' sure you comprehend the obvious...

I think its BULL syndrome... certain people see a post by Jo or Blevens and its like waving the red cape.... their eyes fill with red and civility goes out the door.

Ja, there is a lot of BULL going on around here.

Have you seen any UFO's ?

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My feeling is you're just a prick, incapable of learning
or doing constructive mental work.

Just makin' sure you comprehend the obvious...

I think its BULL syndrome... certain people see a post by Jo or Blevens and its like waving the red cape.... their eyes fill with red and civility goes out the door.

Ja, there is a lot of BULL going on around here.

Have you seen any UFO's ?

wasn't Cooper a UFO.......

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Never seen a UFO.. never seen bigfoot....never seen a ghost..Never saw DB... and I ain't goin lookin either.

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G recommended reading

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Intelligent Life in the Universe, I.S. Shklovskii
coauthor C. Sagan, Random House, 1966, ISBN
1-892803-02-X, 509 pgs (note: republished in 1998
by Emerson-Adams Press)

Read every word of it Georger, in 1969. After reading it I was sure that we'd soon find narrow spectrum coherent radio signals from other worlds that had discovered RF comms many light years ago. Years later nothing credible has been detected even with huge advances in receivers and signal processing.

I long for an ET CQ on the hydrogen channel. No joy. Not a peep. Just Poof.

QSL?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Intelligent Life in the Universe, I.S. Shklovskii
coauthor C. Sagan, Random House, 1966, ISBN
1-892803-02-X, 509 pgs (note: republished in 1998
by Emerson-Adams Press)

Read every word of it Georger, in 1969. After reading it I was sure that we'd soon find narrow spectrum coherent radio signals from other worlds that had discovered RF comms many light years ago. Years later nothing credible has been detected even with huge advances in receivers and signal processing.

I long for an ET CQ on the hydrogen channel. No joy. Not a peep. Just Poof.

QSL?

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QRZ

Hang in there...it's only what 100,000 light years to the other side of our neighborhood?

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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Never seen a UFO.. never seen bigfoot....never seen a ghost..Never saw DB... and I ain't goin lookin either.

me either -

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Intelligent Life in the Universe, I.S. Shklovskii
coauthor C. Sagan, Random House, 1966, ISBN
1-892803-02-X, 509 pgs (note: republished in 1998
by Emerson-Adams Press)

Read every word of it Georger, in 1969. After reading it I was sure that we'd soon find narrow spectrum coherent radio signals from other worlds that had discovered RF comms many light years ago. Years later nothing credible has been detected even with huge advances in receivers and signal processing.

I long for an ET CQ on the hydrogen channel. No joy. Not a peep. Just Poof.

QSL?

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QRZ

Someone maybe you mentioned the Wow signals
back in this forum, years ago. Central issues are
distance, time, technology, and galactic evolution.
The nearest earth-like planets known so far are about
1000 ly distant. That's within some people's estimate
of habitation radius based on molecular evolution in
this region of the galaxy. Every weeks brings a
revision of those stats - its an exciting time for people
doing that work. Tom Kaye has actually done some
minor work in this area ... but he is informed about
these matters.

Air's citation is very accurate and adds perspective.

Much depends on the technology that people have
managed to develop. Detection of a unique profile
implying technology somewhere else could be the
next big discovery ... something like that is well within
our means to detect right now, at very great distances.

The spectral profiles of last two earth-like planets
discovered recently is being examined right now,
with molecular signatures in mind.

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Intelligent Life in the Universe, I.S. Shklovskii
coauthor C. Sagan, Random House, 1966, ISBN
1-892803-02-X, 509 pgs (note: republished in 1998
by Emerson-Adams Press)

Read every word of it Georger, in 1969. After reading it I was sure that we'd soon find narrow spectrum coherent radio signals from other worlds that had discovered RF comms many light years ago. Years later nothing credible has been detected even with huge advances in receivers and signal processing.

I long for an ET CQ on the hydrogen channel. No joy. Not a peep. Just Poof.

QSL?

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QRZ

Hang in there...it's only what 100,000 light years to the other side of our neighborhood?

Actually that's not quite true. Our galaxy is composed
of stellar arms - see attached. We are in the Orion
spur. You don't have to go that far to be in the
stellar populations of nearby spurs and arms.

In terms of current travel technology even those
nearby distances are great. But that is going to
change soon.

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Intelligent Life in the Universe, I.S. Shklovskii
coauthor C. Sagan, Random House, 1966, ISBN
1-892803-02-X, 509 pgs (note: republished in 1998
by Emerson-Adams Press)

Read every word of it Georger, in 1969. After reading it I was sure that we'd soon find narrow spectrum coherent radio signals from other worlds that had discovered RF comms many light years ago. Years later nothing credible has been detected even with huge advances in receivers and signal processing.

I long for an ET CQ on the hydrogen channel. No joy. Not a peep. Just Poof.

QSL?

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QRZ

Ive been thinking about an appropriate response - here it is:

http://www.setileague.org/askdr/hydrogen.htm

The H-channel is just too noisy. 76+% of the
vibrational mass of the galaxy, not to mention galactic
storms, resides right on that frequency!

After many discussions with family and teachers, I
wrote the famous Frank Drake a letter as a kid. And
I advised him that he would never find
anything the way he was going about his research.
First of all, I said, 'you will have to point your antenna
at the sky, not at the ground, as the magazine photo
I am looking at shows'. Secondly, I said, 'you must
run an electric wire to it! As it stands in this photo,
there is no electric wire running to your antenna'! And
thirdly, 'my teacher says space is very noisy. So you
might be right in the first place, but instead of
pointing that antenna at the ground, you should point
at just one Hydrogen atom. I think one atom is
enough and everyone can be heard coming through
on that one atom alone.' Yours trully . . . and I
included my telephone number. My mom provided the
envelope and the stamp.



About a month later the phone ran one evening
during dinner, Mom got up to answer the phone
and I heard some conversation, then she yelled back
"Jerry. You have a phone call." I got up and went to
the phone and here was Dr. Frank Drake. He thanked
me for my letter and asked me where I got gotten the
idea of pointing his "BIG" antenna at one atom. I just
told him 'it makes sense to me'. He said, "I'm going
try that as soon as I figure out how to do it."
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I went to school the next day and reported all of this
in front of class. My classmates sat there in stunned
silence. I took my seat a little bewildered. And I never
heard from Frank Drake again.

This is all absolutely true -

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Georger says in part, regarding interstellar travel:

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'Actually that's not quite true. Our galaxy is composed of stellar arms - see attached. We are in the Orion spur. You don't have to go that far to be in the stellar populations of nearby spurs and arms.

In terms of current travel technology even those
nearby distances are great. But that is going to
change soon...'

Not a chance. We haven't even returned to the Moon, and that was more than four decades ago. A manned mission to Mars they say, won't happen until the 2030's, although they already know how to do it.

Check-in Time at the Reality Hotel, Top Floor, Penthouse Suite:

You are lucky to live in the time where you watched Armstrong land on the lunar surface, the Viking missions, Pioneer, Huygens, Venera, and a host of other exploratory efforts by the human race. Don't kid yourself. We will be remembered as the generation who gobbled the resources and trashed the planet. Hopefully, we can educate enough people to help us transition to a better world. Otherwise it's Soylent Green and Blade Runner for you.

Interstellar travel coming soon? Don't count on it. But feel lucky You Were There when it all began.

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Georger says in part, regarding interstellar travel:

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'Actually that's not quite true. Our galaxy is composed of stellar arms - see attached. We are in the Orion spur. You don't have to go that far to be in the stellar populations of nearby spurs and arms.

In terms of current travel technology even those
nearby distances are great. But that is going to
change soon...'

Not a chance. We haven't even returned to the Moon, and that was more than four decades ago. A manned mission to Mars they say, won't happen until the 2030's, although they already know how to do it.

Check-in Time at the Reality Hotel, Top Floor, Penthouse Suite:

You are lucky to live in the time where you watched Armstrong land on the lunar surface, the Viking missions, Pioneer, Huygens, Venera, and a host of other exploratory efforts by the human race. Don't kid yourself. We will be remembered as the generation who gobbled the resources and trashed the planet. Hopefully, we can educate enough people to help us transition to a better world. Otherwise it's Soylent Green and Blade Runner for you.

Interstellar travel coming soon? Don't count on it. But feel lucky You Were There when it all began.

Stage One:

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/about/fs21grc.html

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You guys do NOT have Cooper on your minds tonight! We need a break.

I do not think the human race will survive to inhabit another planet within the Universes (plural). If they do what will they look like? The human race will become extinct because they cannot stop fighting long enough to think that far ahead.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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The H-channel is just too noisy. 76+% of the
vibrational mass of the galaxy, not to mention galactic
storms, resides right on that frequency!

You could say the same thing about 160 meters OM.
Maybe some ETs like a challenging frequency.
I loved your Drake story.

Does anybody know what happened to Farflung? I hope he is OK.

I've been going over the Ted Braden materials. He sure had a motive and all the right stuff.

Don Burnam is pretty interesting too. His photo is a decent match the the FBI sketches. He had been a 727 pilot and had VERY detailed knowledge of its systems, as evidenced by a US patent he obtained for an improvment to 727 electrical systems. He apparently figured out how to do something better and safer than Boeing did in their original design.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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The H-channel is just too noisy. 76+% of the
vibrational mass of the galaxy, not to mention galactic
storms, resides right on that frequency!

You could say the same thing about 160 meters OM.
Maybe some ETs like a challenging frequency.
I loved your Drake story.

Does anybody know what happened to Farflung? I hope he is OK.

I've been going over the Ted Braden materials. He sure had a motive and all the right stuff.

Don Burnam is pretty interesting too. His photo is a decent match the the FBI sketches. He had been a 727 pilot and had VERY detailed knowledge of its systems, as evidenced by a US patent he obtained for an improvment to 727 electrical systems. He apparently figured out how to do something better and safer than Boeing did in their original design.

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160M ? Noisy? That's exactly right. Ive had more fun on 160M through the years than just about any place else on the bands - slopers that stretched half a block through trees etc. We have 'serious' 160M ops north of here in WI and MI - the vertical crowd!

Burnam? Will have to revisit him.

BTW Drake is still alive. If you recall the whole reason
for picking neutral H was the 'water hole' principle -
not that that wavelength offered anything attractive in
terms of propagation. I think more advanced
technologies probably have their own 'water holes'
and evolved away from radio long ago.

I wonder about Farflung also - miss him.

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Georger,

Have you seen this 160M antenna? Its so huge and high that its been BASE jumped.

http://www.radioarcala.com/nbspStation/TowersandAntennas/Tower7/tabid/358/Default.aspx

Bruce has done a really good job of researching Burnam, including interviewing him. Not sure if its all published yet.

look at the pictures: (Don X is Burnam)

http://themountainnewswa.net/2012/02/23/suspects-in-the-db-cooper-skyjacking-sketches-pictures-and-comparisons/

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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"I managed to crawl through 500 miles of sewage, only to surface in San Francisco where 3 hippie chicks found me and took me in and gave me a bath, fed me, and then we had a 4some. Now I just spend my time blending in with the crowd."

The older I get the less I care who I piss off.

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Now I just spend my time blending in with the crowd."

...so ya went BACK in the sewage?

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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"I managed to crawl through 500 miles of sewage, only to surface in San Francisco where 3 hippie chicks found me and took me in and gave me a bath, fed me, and then we had a 4some. Now I just spend my time blending in with the crowd."

Yea that sewer from Portland to SF is a bitch!
Duane knew it well! Glad the wheel chair made
it through. Welcome home!

How's the new wheel chair?

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Georger,

Have you seen this 160M antenna? Its so huge and high that its been BASE jumped.

http://www.radioarcala.com/nbspStation/TowersandAntennas/Tower7/tabid/358/Default.aspx

Bruce has done a really good job of researching Burnam, including interviewing him. Not sure if its all published yet.

look at the pictures: (Don X is Burnam)

http://themountainnewswa.net/2012/02/23/suspects-in-the-db-cooper-skyjacking-sketches-pictures-and-comparisons/

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OH8X.