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26 minutes ago, mrshutter45 said:

They were shown hundreds of photo's. how does December mix with June? 

That is an excellent question, I can't tell you publicly... both are Hahneman but different pictures.

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It's too bad we can't put Tina Mucklow, Bill Mitchell, and Flo Schaffner all in the same room and give them separate photo files from all the main suspects. Just let them 'have at it'. 

The one chance that anyone really had (in recent history) to pin Tina Mucklow down was on the show 'D.B. Cooper - Case Closed?'...a downright silly and ridiculous production (in my opinion) that blew the best chance anyone was ever going to get with Mucklow. 

Anyway, the show comes off like it's going to really take advantage of Mucklow finally coming out of the witness closet (as it were) after more than 30 years of official silence. But the show (in reality) was just a prequel to the release of a book that was to appear at Amazon the very next day after the show premiered, which it did. The show could not take a chance that Mucklow would actually identify any of the known suspects - other than THEIR suspect Robert Rackstraw - as the actual hijacker.

So they played a cute game on Mucklow. Instead of showing her a true collage of suspects, they showed her a six-picture set of five unknown people...with Rackstraw's being the sixth picture (Somewhere here at Dropzone is a still from the show showing this is exactly what they did.)

She not only failed to identify Rackstraw as Cooper, but when shown a video where Rackstraw speaks out front of a courthouse not long after the Cooper Caper, she reiterates that he is NOT the guy she saw on the jet that night. At the end of the show, they try to cover their butts by saying that maybe Mucklow is too old, or her memory is gone, etc. Total BS. 

After this show aired, I started talking to one of the guys involved in creating the show, namely New York crime journalist Billy Jensen. He tells me he no longer wants to be associated with the program. He had some disagreements with the other people involved in the creation of the show. Says he thought Rackstraw was being railroaded. I have his emails from way back when...just after the show aired. 

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So...there again...like some of the Washington State History Museum interviews, people miss their best chance to get a solid response from any of the main witnesses regarding pictures they have seen of the main suspects. I think the WSHM did this not on purpose, but out of ignorance on what questions they should really ask. 

In the case of LMNO Productions, it was an attempt to force a round peg into a square hole, and making sure the square pegs were shoved under the rug. The reality is that Tom Colbert and his friends bet the farm that Mucklow would identify Rackstraw as Cooper, and the next day their book on Rackstraw would hit the New York Times bestseller list. In my humble opinion it was stupidity all the way.

If they had been straight up with Mucklow from the start, perhaps she would have identified SOMEONE from the suspect list as Cooper...even if it wasn't Rackstraw...and then they could have taken credit for probably solving the whole case right there. At the very least, they could have made it reasonable to dismiss some of those suspects based on what Mucklow might say.

But they got greedy and they got burned. 

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Nonetheless, Boeing verified this placard described the use of the emergency airstair release behind the two-hole door/panel.

After reading this again. it's states the decal is used for the emergency release behind the two hole panel. no placard behind it...now we find out if 305 had the system...

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8 minutes ago, mrshutter45 said:

After reading this again. it's states the decal is used for the emergency release behind the two hole panel. no placard behind it...now we find out if 305 had the system...

Did Boeing actually confirm this or did Eric exaggerate??

In other words, did Boeing ever communicate it was for "the two hole panel emergency system"?

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'After reading this again. it's states the decal is used for the emergency release behind the two hole panel. no placard behind it...now we find out if 305 had the system...'

Hmm. If you have to punch two fingers through this placard to access the system...this could explain why a piece of a placard ended up on the ground near Castle Rock, WA. 

I have read already here that using the MAIN release would NOT lock the stairs into place. That you cannot do this while the jet is in flight. What is the difference between the jet being in flight, or sitting on the ground with passengers waiting to deplane? Can they disable the main system from the cockpit to prevent a stew from accidentally opening the stairs in flight? 

If the stairs run on a hydraulic system, using them with the normal control, don't they lock down in place while the jet is sitting on the tarmac? If they just fall down and sit on the ground no matter WHICH system you use...then I can understand the no-lock thing. 

Rataczak knew something here. He said when Cooper released the stairs, they would drop initially, and then settle back to being 30-36 inches open, due to airflow. Maybe they NEVER actually lock down, even when the jet is parked and people are gathering up their carryons to deplane...maybe the only 'locking' they can do is when they are raised. Not anytime being lowered. Maybe even on the ground, they just sit on the ground because of gravity.

*Funniest thing today seen in the Cooper case* =

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'The dimensions given in this document computes at 0.50 cubic feet which is consistent with the previous computations...' (referring to the size of the money bag given to Cooper)

A whole half of a cubic foot of capacity? Those FBI guys must have used boots to cram 22 pounds of cash into a space that small. Your so-called experts...(*groans*) Even I know better than that. Picture below shows what bag actually looked like, or close. 

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The placard was not on the panel with the two holes. if anything it was an extra placard describing the emergency function. two holes would have to be on the placard to exist with the panel. 

The problems are Boeing stated in 1979 that it can be found in the stairwell. this was also discovered recently according to Eric. no planes can be found showing the placard in the stairwell. claims have been made that airlines started removing this feature. I read in the Yap report it was not a required exit. NWO shows this feature on a safety card. the placard could of been added after the card was made. 

The pilots were told about the stairs during the hijacking and can be found in the transcripts..

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3 hours ago, mrshutter45 said:

The placard was not on the panel with the two holes. if anything it was an extra placard describing the emergency function. two holes would have to be on the placard to exist with the panel. 

The problems are Boeing stated in 1979 that it can be found in the stairwell. this was also discovered recently according to Eric. no planes can be found showing the placard in the stairwell. claims have been made that airlines started removing this feature. I read in the Yap report it was not a required exit. NWO shows this feature on a safety card. the placard could of been added after the card was made. 

The pilots were told about the stairs during the hijacking and can be found in the transcripts..

The problem is the use of the term "stairwell",, we think it is the inside wall but the FBI docs refer the actual airstairs as the stairwell..

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"have been known to fall off under normal conditions"

also refer to aft airstair as "door"

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Rataczak got a look at the money bag when it came on board. That picture is pretty close to the real thing. Heavy canvas or heavy cloth sides, white, with leather handles. Some sort of fastener at the top. Called it a 'hapsack,' a term which I am not familiar with. Look..it was like those bags armored car guards carry in and out of a bank. 

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17 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Rataczak got a look at the money bag when it came on board. That picture is pretty close to the real thing. Heavy canvas or heavy cloth sides, white, with leather handles. Some sort of fastener at the top. Called it a 'hapsack,' a term which I am not familiar with. Look..it was like those bags armored car guards carry in and out of a bank. 

The NWO freight worker Loren Peterson said he put the money into a NWA flight bag with handles.. it may have been removed before it went onto the plane.

 

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14 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

 

So they played a cute game on Mucklow. Instead of showing her a true collage of suspects, they showed her a six-picture set of five unknown people...with Rackstraw's being the sixth picture (Somewhere here at Dropzone is a still from the show showing this is exactly what they did.)

 

They didn't show the whole interview on the show, only what they wanted us to see. There was one part of the interview where you could see a picture of LD Cooper on the table in front of Tina. So, it seems pretty obvious that they probably asked her about some of the other suspects. I'd be interested to see the whole interview that was done.

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6 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Rataczak got a look at the money bag when it came on board. That picture is pretty close to the real thing. Heavy canvas or heavy cloth sides, white, with leather handles. Some sort of fastener at the top. Called it a 'hapsack,' a term which I am not familiar with. Look..it was like those bags armored car guards carry in and out of a bank. 

lol, the bag was white (canvas) brought onto the plane and seen by multiple witnesses. the leather satchel was used to carry the money from the bank. there was no handles on it or Cooper wouldn't have tried to tie the money to the neck of the bag. the "knapsack" is what Cooper originally asked for..

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1 hour ago, mrshutter45 said:

The FBI has called the stairs, door, ladder among others. Boeing said it came from the stairwell. doesn't matter if the FBI called it a screen door? 

Of course it does, Nix paraphrased Boeing in the newspaper.. that news quote didn't come from Boeing, it was from Nix.

That is why I have been trying to get you to pin down Eric, you asked him a vague question and got a vague response..

First, it was near aft door, then for the two hole panel..

What exactly did Boeing say???

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14 hours ago, ParrotheadVol said:

They didn't show the whole interview on the show, only what they wanted us to see. There was one part of the interview where you could see a picture of LD Cooper on the table in front of Tina. So, it seems pretty obvious that they probably asked her about some of the other suspects. I'd be interested to see the whole interview that was done.

You cherry-picked from the main body of what I wrote concerning the show. I have heard from a reliable source how the whole program went, and the goals of the production. It wasn't done to get Mucklow to look at suspects. It was done to (hopefully) put her in a position to identify Rackstraw...and ONLY Rackstraw... as Cooper. 

The book scheduled for release, a book ON Rackstraw...a book NAMING him as the hijacker...coming out the very next day after the show premiered...

That should have been a hint the entire show was a farce from start to end. Right around the time the show aired, the FBI were crashing in the doors of LMNO Productions with a warrant to search the premises and seize their financial records. As a result of that scandal, LMNO lost several lucrative TV contracts. 

Yeah...it was a fair, balanced, and professionally-done investigation all the way.  (If you believe THAT, I have some beachfront property in Kansas you might be interested in.)

Billy Jensen didn't think so. And he was part of the team. B| No worries, though. I have no allegiances to anyone in Cooperland. I question everything, especially if there is a legit reason to do so. 

EDIT: Money bag brought on board the plane for Cooper:  All I know is what Rataczak said. He described it as white, canvas or heavy cloth type, said there were handles on it. I dunno. Like everyone else who posts here...I wasn't there either. And I have no idea what he meant by 'hapsack'. When I reviewed Google Images using the terms 'canvas, white, vintage, and bank bag,' it came up with this picture. Description said it was an old one from Wells Fargo. 

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Not that it matters, but I have always had one thought about the Cooper case. It is too bad that one of the stews, especially Alice Hancock, didn't think to inquire among the First Class passengers if any of them had a snapshot camera in their carry-on. If so, she could have parted the curtain less than an inch and maybe got a quick shot of Cooper at some point, especially if he stood up to use the bathroom. If this had been done, we probably wouldn't even be discussing the case now. But no one thought of it. 

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8 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

You cherry-picked from the main body of what I wrote concerning the show.

Robert, I didn't cherry pick anything, nor was I trying to argue about anything you said. You need understand that not every response you get to a post is confrontational. I read your post, and disagreed with one small part of it. So rather than copy the entire post for everyone to scroll through, I copied the part I was commenting on. Pretty simple concept there.

I still maintain that they probably asked her about some of the other suspects and I would be interested to hear her response, not that I think there is anything earth shattering there. Interviews and comments from Tina are a rare thing, almost non existent. So, it stands to reason that someone would like to hear the parts that didn't air.

Nowhere did I indicate that I disagreed with you on the purpose of that interview or the show. I share your opinion on that show 100 percent. I had never heard of Rackstraw before the show, and after watching the show, I was convinced that Rackstraw was not Cooper.

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I guess we are to expect the witnesses live under a rock. all of these known suspects had to have been seen at one point by all the crew and some of the passengers. show after show has put them in the spotlight many times over. Tina never watched a show she was on? she seen it before any of us did, I can assure you of that. The main witness said no to Rackstraw and it had no affect on Colbert what so ever which is typical with people who have a suspect in mind. they make the rules..

The show in question was not slanted. it surrounded Rackstraw. it has zip to do with balance or fairness. it was no different than the dozens of shows aired previous to that show. they all try to point to a specific suspect being Cooper. 

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'I still maintain that they probably asked her about some of the other suspects and I would be interested to hear her response, not that I think there is anything earth shattering there. Interviews and comments from Tina are a rare thing, almost non existent. So, it stands to reason that someone would like to hear the parts that didn't air.'

You should talk to someone who was actually there for the production of the show. I did. It was a farce designed to ensure Mucklow either ID'd Rackstraw as Cooper, or no one at all. Colbert and company were pretty disappointed when their tactics backfired on them. 

Can't say I blame them. They had stars in their eyes, and dreams of a Pulitzer and a place on the NYT bestseller list. Neither happened, which is exactly what they deserved. 

Honesty works much better in these matters. When I was approached by the movie production company(s), I gave them everything we had, literally hundreds of files and pictures, (some still not made available to the public) and told them: "I can't say for sure whether KC is the guy or not, but this is everything we have on him..." And it WAS everything. A few items came later. 

Shooting script for the movie will reach me (and the other person who will assist in offering changes) by Thanksgiving. I will probably review it on the flight to San Diego. 

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