DB Cooper

[CooperNWO305 146]

Anyone have a dictionary for what the terms mean under complexion? Would swarthy or olive fall under Ruddy or Dark?

 

[FLYJACK 654]

6 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

Anyone have a dictionary for what the terms mean under complexion? Would swarthy or olive fall under Ruddy or Dark?

 

Ruddy is "reddish"..  

Swarthy is dark but Olive is a subset of Swarthy, can be light brown to dark brown,  with green/yellow tones

Edited February 3, 2023 by FLYJACK

[olemisscub 466]

Just now, CooperNWO305 said:

Anyone have a dictionary for what the terms mean under complexion? Would swarthy or olive fall under Ruddy or Dark?

 

Ruddy, certainly not, but I think Dark for sure. I've come across a few Italians whose draft cards say Dark.  A ruddy complexion is what red-heads have, that sort of reddish or splotchy complexion. 

[olemisscub 466]

Here's an example. Tony Lazzeri's draft card says "Dark"

 

[olemisscub 466]

although....

Babe Ruth is "Ruddy" according to his draft card. Hmmm....

 

[olemisscub 466]

and yet Yogi Berra is "sallow"...

 

[FLYJACK 654]

Black and white images don't show complexion very well..  that was one of reasons they redid the Cooper sketch.. to add colour.

[randy233 2]

"Pry The Tie From The FBI - Taking the FBI to Court"

 

Edited February 3, 2023 by randy233

[olemisscub 466]

13 minutes ago, randy233 said:

"Pry The Tie From The FBI - Taking the FBI to Court"

 

Not gonna work. Physical objects are explicitly exempt from FOIA.

 

Edited February 3, 2023 by olemisscub

[randy233 2]

2 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Not gonna work. Physical objects are explicitly exempt from FOIA.

Apart from the legal aspect, do you think it is worth doing a DNA test on the tie clip? I would think that the FBI has already done that?

[olemisscub 466]

Just now, randy233 said:

Apart from the legal aspect, do you think it is worth doing a DNA test on the tie clip? I would think that the FBI has already done that?

yes, it would absolutely be worth it. Eric isn't wrong in thinking that there may be viable DNA in the tie knot screw. That would be a good place to check. It would also be nice for Tom to have more access to the tie for his sticky stubs. I believe only 15-20% of the tie was sticky stubbed last time. I don't think lawsuits are going to give us access to the tie again, but rather someone being able to pull the right string. 

[randy233 2]

4 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

yes, it would absolutely be worth it. Eric isn't wrong in thinking that there may be viable DNA in the tie knot screw. That would be a good place to check. It would also be nice for Tom to have more access to the tie for his sticky stubs. I believe only 15-20% of the tie was sticky stubbed last time. I don't think lawsuits are going to give us access to the tie again, but rather someone being able to pull the right string. 

I agree, maybe the FBI has missed that spot and who knows... we might get some top notch DNA. :)

[georger 197]

7 hours ago, olemisscub said:

yes, it would absolutely be worth it. Eric isn't wrong in thinking that there may be viable DNA in the tie knot screw. That would be a good place to check. It would also be nice for Tom to have more access to the tie for his sticky stubs. I believe only 15-20% of the tie was sticky stubbed last time. I don't think lawsuits are going to give us access to the tie again, but rather someone being able to pull the right string. 

So you and Elvis are dna techs?  What lab did you guys work in?  Should a new expert other than Tom be involved? I mean there are plenty of other dna experts available - ?  Tom had his chance!   Time to move on.  Its time for new blood!

Its time for some new cards in this game!  Cooper Casino Manager pleeaz!  Bring me a fresh drink and some NEW cards pleez ! A new dealer wouldn't hurt.

Why dont we get a lab WOMAN involved in this case! Let the women have a chance - maybe they wont screw up as much ? A woman might bring a whole different set of attitudes to this case?

Edited February 4, 2023 by georger

[georger 197]

7 hours ago, randy233 said:

I agree, maybe the FBI has missed that spot and who knows... we might get some top notch DNA. :)

what are your credentials?   

what is "top notch" dna?   Better than "bottom drawer" dna ? 

Edited February 4, 2023 by georger

[Math of Insects 96]

2 hours ago, georger said:

Should a new expert other than Tom be involved? I mean there are plenty of other dna experts available - ?  Tom had his chance!   Time to move on.  Its time for new blood!

Its time for some new cards in this game!  Cooper Casino Manager pleeaz!  Bring me a fresh drink and some NEW cards pleez ! A new dealer wouldn't hurt.

Why dont we get a lab WOMAN involved in this case! Let the women have a chance - maybe they wont screw up as much ? A woman might bring a whole different set of attitudes to this case?

I'm not sure if you're being serious, but I have my own opinions about both the soundness and the helpfulness of the scientific work that's been done so far. An objective outside voice would be more than welcome, IMO, and would keep so many wild geese from being chased. 

[georger 197]

2 hours ago, Math of Insects said:

I'm not sure if you're being serious, but I have my own opinions about both the soundness and the helpfulness of the scientific work that's been done so far. An objective outside voice would be more than welcome, IMO, and would keep so many wild geese from being chased. 

Im totally serious. The Cooper case has been hijacked by people with an agenda. It's made worse by the fact there are zero resources available to do better. There isnt even a plan to try and do better. I think these people would be satisfied to see the status quo going for the next 50 years! The case is in gridlock.

Edited February 4, 2023 by georger

[randy233 2]

7 hours ago, georger said:

  

what is "top notch" dna?   Better than "bottom drawer" dna ? 

With 'top notch DNA' I mean a full DNA profile. Sometimes the DNA evidence is in a very small quantity, poorly preserved or highly degraded so only a partial DNA profile can be obtained. 

[olemisscub 466]

12 hours ago, georger said:

So you and Elvis are dna techs?  What lab did you guys work in?  Should a new expert other than Tom be involved? I mean there are plenty of other dna experts available - ?  Tom had his chance!   Time to move on.  Its time for new blood!

Its time for some new cards in this game!  Cooper Casino Manager pleeaz!  Bring me a fresh drink and some NEW cards pleez ! A new dealer wouldn't hurt.

Why dont we get a lab WOMAN involved in this case! Let the women have a chance - maybe they wont screw up as much ? A woman might bring a whole different set of attitudes to this case?

Why are you including me in this? I don’t have anything to do with his efforts. But if he can get more access to the tie with sticky stubs or whatever, then I’m all for it. Also, I’m pretty sure the DNA tech who he has lined up is a female.

[FLYJACK 654]

22 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Why are you including me in this? I don’t have anything to do with his efforts. But if he can get more access to the tie with sticky stubs or whatever, then I’m all for it. Also, I’m pretty sure the DNA tech who he has lined up is a female.

That is Georger's nuclear approach for expressing frustration over the lack of progress of the evidence...  

But Elvis has no legal argument to get the tie.. the only way is through diplomacy..

Suing the FBI will only piss them off and may induce an IRS audit..

Everybody knows that superior new DNA tech is the only potential to find evidence to put a suspect on the plane,, but even that may not be possible now.

Ulis makes the false claim that Cooper wore the tie for years,, that is an assumption. He may have only worn it for the hijacking.

I actually have a different plan to get access to the tie DNA but that takes more time.. 

[FLYJACK 654]

Drew Beason and Ryan podcast...

First, the Patterson Bigfoot vid was debunked, they admitted it was a guy in a suit.. even by the guy who wore the suit. Bigfoot sightings are just bears walking on their hind legs.. 

https://cdn.centerforinquiry.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2004/07/22164653/p35.pdf

but, Ryan does an excellent job going over the 305 passengers...  worth watching.

my only criticism is that judging age on a 50+ year old poorly lit and poorly focussed film is nothing like seeing somebody in person.

 

 

[olemisscub 466]

41 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Drew Beason and Ryan podcast...

First, the Patterson Bigfoot vid was debunked, they admitted it was a guy in a suit.. even by the guy who wore the suit. Bigfoot sightings are just bears walking on their hind legs.. 

https://cdn.centerforinquiry.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2004/07/22164653/p35.pdf

but, Ryan does an excellent job going over the 305 passengers...  worth watching.

my only criticism is that judging age on a 50+ year old poorly lit and poorly focussed film is nothing like seeing somebody in person.

 

 

I’m hardly an expert on Bigfoots, haha. Totally talking out of my ass on the Gimlin footage. I know nothing about it. If it’s fake then kudos to those guys who did it. It looks damn good!

And your criticism is warranted; we were just having fun with the ages. Although I will continue to contend that Wesley Jensen’s hair color is a good analog for Cooper’s. You can tell it’s unnaturally black. 

Oh, and I’m legit concerned I had a mini-stroke in the middle of talking about Michael Cooper. Got lightheaded briefly. That was weird! Maybe I was just fatigued for talking for an hour and a half straight.  

Edited February 4, 2023 by olemisscub

[FLYJACK 654]

8 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

I’m hardly an expert on Bigfoots, haha. Totally talking out of my ass on the Gimlin footage. I know nothing about it. If it’s fake then kudos to those guys who did it. It looks damn good!

And your criticism is warranted; we were just having fun with the ages. Although I will continue to contend that Wesley Jensen’s hair color is a good analog for Cooper’s. You can tell it’s unnaturally black. 

Oh, and I’m legit concerned I had a mini-stroke in the middle of talking about Michael Cooper. Got lightheaded briefly. That was weird! Maybe I was just fatigued for talking for an hour and a half straight.  

Yikes, get checked out, people have had issues from the C***D Vaccine.. controversial but clotting is legit. I know a few people who have had serious side effects..

I agree, many older guys going Gray dye their hair... Mitchell's account of Cooper's hair sounds credible.

[CooperNWO305 146]

2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Yikes, get checked out, people have had issues from the C***D Vaccine.. controversial but clotting is legit. I know a few people who have had serious side effects..

I agree, many older guys going Gray dye their hair... Mitchell's account of Cooper's hair sounds credible.

Mitchell even suggests a toupee. 

[FLYJACK 654]

53 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

Mitchell even suggests a toupee. 

you know, his hair could easily have been dyed or a toupee or something. ‘Cause I mean it looked awful. Well, but being twenty and I didn’t really...”

Whiting: “Was the color unnatural in a way?”

Bill Mitchell: “No. It was all solid dark. You know, I mean it was all, there was no grey, there was no, I mean it was all solid and well groomed. So, I can remember I said yes, yes you know, but I wasn’t sure. Then I didn’t...”

[olemisscub 466]

fwiw, Alice said she didn't think it was a hairpiece