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Tina - topcoat

Flo - overcoat

Alice - trench coat

Hal - raincoat 

Bill - raincoat

House - overcoat

Frustrating. 

Alice's specificity makes me think it was more of a trench coat. A trench coat could be referred to as a topcoat or overcoat but I don't think anyone would call a heavy topcoat a trench coat. 

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On 1/2/2023 at 10:44 AM, FLYJACK said:

Is Brian 100% sure it was fabric softener or has his memory drifted over time?

but they only separated few bills on top/bottom of the packets.. 

The bill Tom examined looks like it was from the middle,, based on condition.

 

Somebody should ask Brian about the rubber bands in detail..

Where exactly were they attached, were they attached to all packets and all sides, when did they fall off.

Who knows what Brian remembers .......... or has been fed over the years by a whole assortment of people ?  Back in the day (2008-10) Brian told a number of people he didnt remember anything. Bruce Smith, for example, didnt even bother to interview Brian after Kaye reported Brian saying 'he doesnt remember anything'.  In 1980 standing on Tena Bar Brian was, in fact, only eight years old. The last thing in Brian's mind in 1980 was the CB Cooper case. Brian has matured and developed since then. His concerns and agenda is different today. I have never detected that Brian, as a person, has anything technical to contribute to the Cooper case - but today he does have many 'opinions' about it all, including 'opinions' he has been fed by various people who entered his life because of the Cooper saga.

One Cooper player told me 'point blank' that Brian needed 'guidance in his life' and he, the Cooper icon, was giving Brian advice - sometimes daily - about what Brian should do or not do and who and whom Brian should be dealing with. Tom Kaye was on Brian's approved list, for example. 

Does Brian remember anything about the rubber bands' ?

Who knows! Brian himself may not remember 'what he remembers' about the rubber bands, because Brian may not remember what he is going to remember and say next Tuesday until next Tuesday arrives!  In the meantime there are people in Brian's life more than willing to tell Brian 'what to think and say and remember, and to whom'!  That is a fact no one can deny today!

In that environment, nothing is pristine or uncontaminated, as if Brian was still eight years old. Brian's eight year old mind is long gone and unreachable, even by Brian himself!

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2 hours ago, georger said:

Robert H. Edwards's Blog: Great 20th century mysteries

January 6, 2023

D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: the Soderlind track

The evolution of a flight path by Soderlind and others... More new evidence.

Edwards is out to lunch,,

He assumes Soderlind didn't have the AF flightpath while the FBI did.

He falsely believes the pressure bump and oscillations are completely different events separated by minutes. Wrong.

He fails to recognize that Ratazcak SAID he was manually flying the plane to just before Reno.. 

and Rataczak said he felt Cooper on the stairs. Why, because he was manually flying the plane.

He fails to recognize that the FDR has the compass heading which Soderlind would have had.

He fails understand that the "suburbs of Portland" comment was the call to Soderlind minutes after Cooper jumped.. Rataczak was giving a reference point... he did not say Cooper jumped in the suburbs of Portland.

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52 minutes ago, dudeman17 said:

What happened with Shutter's forum?

Was wondering the same thing. He evidently has closed his site to members only - outsider's cant even read it! That is how it appears. ? 

I emailed Chaucer and Shutter, but no reply yet... ?

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Lyle Cameron was an FBI informant (PSI) before NORJAK.. recruited based on his interactions with Russians.

 

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Cameron's connection to Jack Ruby..

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Cameron was to publish the Cooper sketch and narrative.

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Cameron's strange death in Honduras..

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5 hours ago, olemisscub said:

I'm a member and I can't see anything either. 

This will resolve in a few days; give it time. Dave has been contacted ....... this sounds like a glitch of some kind which always happens when the owners of the site make some change without notifying people.  Dave has had to face that before, Just give it some time . . . I hope Dave is OK and no reason to think he isn't.  

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7 hours ago, georger said:

This will resolve in a few days; give it time. Dave has been contacted ....... this sounds like a glitch of some kind which always happens when the owners of the site make some change without notifying people.  Dave has had to face that before, Just give it some time . . . I hope Dave is OK and no reason to think he isn't.  

Hopefully it comes back. Having multiple forums to discuss the case helps keep the discussion equitable. 

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14 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Lyle Cameron was an FBI informant (PSI) before NORJAK.. recruited based on his interactions with Russians.

 

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Cameron's connection to Jack Ruby..

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Cameron was to publish the Cooper sketch and narrative.

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Cameron's strange death in Honduras..

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Cooper - Cameron - Ruby - Oswald - Mexico - Sturgis - Hunt - Hahneman - Honduras

Can't help but shake the feeling it's all connected somehow.

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2 hours ago, CooperNWO305 said:

Hopefully it comes back. Having multiple forums to discuss the case helps keep the discussion equitable. 

Chaucer got hold of Dave. Dave is now aware of the problem. Give Dave time; he is traveling. Sounds like the site will be back ... take care. 

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5 hours ago, WalterRaleigh said:

Cooper - Cameron - Ruby - Oswald - Mexico - Sturgis - Hunt - Hahneman - Honduras

Can't help but shake the feeling it's all connected somehow.

yes, it is all strange,,,

and why was Cameron an FBI informant and not a CIA informant (maybe he was)... the FBI initially investigated him thinking he was compromised by the Russian's and then decided his foreign contacts could yield information so they recruited him,, seems that is CIA turf not FBI..

and this oddity,,,

https://thecinemaholic.com/where-is-florence-schaffner-now/

"Plus, there is also the fact that Florence claims to have been stalked for months after the incident. She alleges that a man followed her and boarded several Northwest planes she was flying on, and when she finally confronted him, he revealed that he knew the hijacker from prison.

Alleging that the latter wanted to talk to her, he apparently said to Florence, “I want to tell you, this guy is not just a hijacker. He was in the Bay of Pigs. This guy works for the CIA.” Thankfully, nothing ever became of it." 

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Tina is pretty consistent in her statements throughout the 302’s that she never got a good look at him. Always seems hard to believe, but perhaps she didn’t get a good look at him because she didn’t want to look at him directly for fear of upsetting him. She may have been doing the strategy where you look away from the perp if you’re being robbed so they don’t get agitated and think you’re trying to eyeball them. 
 

fwiw, the photo she’s looking at in this 302 is an unknown Canadian suspect. 

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1 hour ago, olemisscub said:

Tina is pretty consistent in her statements throughout the 302’s that she never got a good look at him. Always seems hard to believe, but perhaps she didn’t get a good look at him because she didn’t want to look at him directly for fear of upsetting him. She may have been doing the strategy where you look away from the perp if you’re being robbed so they don’t get agitated and think you’re trying to eyeball them. 
 

fwiw, the photo she’s looking at in this 302 is an unknown Canadian suspect. 

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or she is hiding something...

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17 hours ago, olemisscub said:

Tina is pretty consistent in her statements throughout the 302’s that she never got a good look at him. Always seems hard to believe, but perhaps she didn’t get a good look at him because she didn’t want to look at him directly for fear of upsetting him. She may have been doing the strategy where you look away from the perp if you’re being robbed so they don’t get agitated and think you’re trying to eyeball them. 
 

fwiw, the photo she’s looking at in this 302 is an unknown Canadian suspect. 

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Remember, Sketch A was mostly Tina, why if she didn't get a look at Cooper's face straight on, Flo didn't like the sketch... 

She remembered his face for Sketch A then afterward she claimed she didn't see it.. that is not consistent. 

Tina was the go to witness to eliminate suspects from pics, how can that be if she didn't see Cooper's face.. If this ever went to court her statements would have discredited her....

FBI agent Larry Carr on Tina...

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24 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Tina is essentially useless as far as the sketches are concerned. She liked them all except the "hoodlum".

 

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Sure, but why....

IMO, she did see Cooper's face but after sketch A was produced she changed her testimony...

Her testimony became more vague, that is is a classic sign of deception.

She is hiding something..

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50 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Sure, but why....

IMO, she did see Cooper's face but after sketch A was produced she changed her testimony...

Her testimony became more vague, that is is a classic sign of deception.

She is hiding something..

You may be right, but I can't say the road from "story changing" to "hiding something" is as direct as this makes it sound.

Just because some deception involves someone changing a story, doesn't mean that all changed stories are deceptive. It seems illogical to admit the very thing you were intending to hide, and then later decide to go back and hide it. You can't unring a bell....

I've told this privately, but my life was literally saved by a first-responder. I was not alone (there were probably 30 of us), but I directly interacted with him over the course of probably two hours. 

And yet, if he were sitting next to me right now, I would not know it. I know his name and some general elements of how he looked. If you showed me 10 pictures of people within that general outline, and there wasn't anything that stood out about any of those 10 (like a huge schnozz or blond hair and big ears), I'd be as likely to say that any of them were or could be the guy. I might also, in retrospect, have to consider that maybe I didn't get as good a look at him as I thought--even though I know for a fact I did.

But I'd have to wonder even for myself, not being able to really pinpoint this person I interacted with, if maybe I just didn't see him as well as I thought. (Which, again, I did.)

In times of trauma, we do not code memory the same way. This cannot be discounted (and frequently is in this case). It's risky to compare someone in what was clearly a trauma state, to someone in their right mind, and IMO unwarranted to say that her inconsistencies are deception, any more than mine would be. 

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While I'm not holding my breath, the movie based on Tina's experience on flight 305, is supposed to enter production this year, I'm really curious if anything new will come out of it. I believe it is set to be called "Nod If you Understand".   There is an article linked off of Tina's Twitter page, which admittedly is over a year old, in which she is quoted as saying something to the effect of still having "vivid" memories of the details of the hijacking.  After 50+ years, will she share anything new ?  Is she still under any type of FBI request not to share certain details (I doubt it)?  Is the FBI, in any, way, shape or form involved with reviewing the script (Again, I would be surprised) ?  We will see...

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11 minutes ago, JAGdb said:

While I'm not holding my breath, the movie based on Tina's experience on flight 305, is supposed to enter production this year, I'm really curious if anything new will come out of it. I believe it is set to be called "Nod If you Understand".   There is an article linked off of Tina's Twitter page, which admittedly is over a year old, in which she is quoted as saying something to the effect of still having "vivid" memories of the details of the hijacking.  After 50+ years, will she share anything new ?  Is she still under any type of FBI request not to share certain details (I doubt it)?  Is the FBI, in any, way, shape or form involved with reviewing the script (Again, I would be surprised) ?  We will see...

I'll just add...I have what I would call "more than vivid" memories of the event that I needed saving from. I can tell you very minute details about many parts of it, and certainly remember the "order" things happened in--when, where, how, what. I can tell you about smells and sounds there too.

There's another set of memories that I remember the fact of, but would probably get some details wrong about. If you "reminded" me, my memory would probably end up being whatever you told me.

If I met anyone who went through it with me in real time, I wouldn't know them today. Maybe one person, because she was cute and hot and we dated a couple of times afterward. No one else.

On the other hand, I clearly remember and know well every single person I went through a trauma-recovery group afterward. That was "thinking" me. 

Trauma brain is not logical. It's literally, by definition, what happens "pre-logic" in the signal flow. 

From the "outside" these inconsistencies may seem contrived. But they are real and have no ulterior motive connected to them. It's just where and how in the brain certain elements are coded.

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