DB Cooper

[CooperNWO305 146]

Snip from Edward’s book summarizes things. 1/4 way down. There are more nuances in the 302s but I have not consolidated those all yet. 

[dudeman17 270]

1 hour ago, CooperNWO305 said:

Snip from Edward’s book...

The last line of that page pictured says that FBI sketch artist Roy Rose "...will contribute a detail that has never been documented in any public file of the FBI:". (To be continued on the next page, not pictured.)

What is that?

[Robert99 37]

5 hours ago, olemisscub said:

Perhaps you are right. Lack of Jump Wings is a weird omission in these photos. 

Not necessarily.  The uniform looks about normal for paratroopers in the Korean era that I knew.

But does anyone have a better picture of the two bottom brass insignias on his collar?

[Coopericane 44]

42 minutes ago, dudeman17 said:

The last line of that page pictured says that FBI sketch artist Roy Rose "...will contribute a detail that has never been documented in any public file of the FBI:". (To be continued on the next page, not pictured.)

What is that?

"When I arrived at the airport in Minneapolis, I... talked to the two stewardesses. ... The two stewardesses differed a little bit on their description... They described the unknown subject as... ah, middle aged person, dressed in a suit, with a dark complexion, and, sort of a protruding lower lip. The rest of the face was rather nondescript, nothing unusual about it."

[olemisscub 466]

3 minutes ago, Slim King said:

Lisa Story has tons of information. I can call her and ask  if she does.

Ask her if they have his DD-214. We’re dying to see it.

[olemisscub 466]

Here is Ted Braden’s WWII DD-214. Three Bronze Stars and Two Purple Hearts before the age of 17. Pretty hardcore 

[CooperNWO305 146]

On 11/25/2022 at 11:32 PM, olemisscub said:

It shows up once in NORJAK, page 33, but with no attribution. 

Is the “piercing brown eyes” in there or is it in a different part of the book?

[georger 197]

Noteworthy must read - Edwards topics recently examined

November 26, 2022

D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: Stuart McClelland

The Harrison notes and redactions vs edits.  People noting aircraft positions - who was first.

November 17, 2022

D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: Oregon

Could Cooper have jumped in Oregon - FBI examined that option. Did Willamette bring money bag to Tina Bar ?

Would these redactions/edits change the flight path as alleged by some ? 

Edited November 27, 2022 by georger

[Robert99 37]

13 hours ago, Slim King said:

Lisa Story has tons of information. I can call her and ask  if she does. Does this help?

A photograph of him that shows the bottom insignias with enough detail to be read will be greatly helpful.  And one in any uniform showing him wearing a parachutist badge on his left breast would be great.  Note that he already has airborne patches on his hat and left shoulder.

If his DD-214 is available, it should explain everything.  

[olemisscub 466]

50 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

Is the “piercing brown eyes” in there or is it in a different part of the book?

That’s it. No attribution to who supplied that description or where it came from originally.  

[Math of Insects 96]

1 hour ago, CooperNWO305 said:

Is the “piercing brown eyes” in there or is it in a different part of the book?

It says "described by some as piercing" in that passage.

[olemisscub 466]

I think I'm starting to see a possible pattern emerge here. 3 things that we can't find coming from the mouth of a witness yet Ralph seemed to repeat a bunch. This is from NORJAK where a woman called Ralph up shortly after the hijacking and described a Dan Cooper that she knew:

 

[Robert99 37]

1 hour ago, georger said:

Noteworthy must read - Edwards topics recently examined

November 26, 2022

D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: Stuart McClelland

The Harrison notes and redactions vs edits.  People noting aircraft positions - who was first.

November 17, 2022

D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: Oregon

Could Cooper have jumped in Oregon - FBI examined that option. Did Willamette bring money bag to Tina Bar ?

Would these redactions/edits change the flight path as alleged by some ? 

The questions and comments that Dr. Edwards has on the differing times has already been explained and discussed at length on this site and Shutter's site over the last decade.

The simple explanation is that the people who got the earlier times were listening to the voice radio patch and the people with the later times got those from the ARINC teletype posts of those voice radio patches.  Fred Poynter of the WSHM and I discussed this very point with ARINC personnel at their headquarters.

The communications between aircraft and ARINC stations were made by voice radio under all conditions in this hijacking.  When the phone patch was made, NWA personnel could also listen to the ARINC voice communications with the airliner and, apparently, talk to the airliner crew directly.

Nevertheless, voice calls from the airliner to the ARINC ground stations still went through a process called "formatting" by ARINC ground personnel who then sent a brief description of the call through the ARINC teletype system to the appropriate NWA offices. 

This "formatting" and typing in the message could take several minutes depending on the length of the message.  When the ARINC teletype operator pushed the "send" button on his machine, the time was automatically added to the end of the message.

As Dr. Edwards points out, this difference in times is obvious in several instances where the times of the voice message are given, and the times of the teletype transcripts are available.

The earlier times are the most accurate ones for the aircraft to be at a given location.  The later times absolutely do not mean that the proposed jump zones should be moved further south.

Nor do they change the flight path.

 

Edited November 27, 2022 by Robert99

[Robert99 37]

5 minutes ago, Slim King said:

In NORJACK Himmelsbach was wrong about who owned the chutes. It's very confusing as to who actually got them and how. I see some deception. 

Just ignore everything that Cossey claimed and you won't have a problem.  Basically, he did not have anything to do with getting the parachutes.  NWA personnel got all of them by one means or the other.

[Robert99 37]

23 minutes ago, Slim King said:

Cossey was the one that actually packed all of these chutes (Maybe not the dummy one) His name was on each of them as the last guy who packed them and when. Somebody on the ground got the message that they needed chutes and he took or gave responsibility to acquire them. Who was responsible and how did he do it? I'm looking for the name of the guy who was in charge of getting the chutes.

This has been discussed at length over the years and the way the back packs were obtained is known.  NWA personnel contacted an individual they knew at Boeing Field and that guy got in contact with a fellow known as Hayden who provided his two back packs to the FBI.

The chest packs came from a skydiver operation and I don't remember exactly how they were contacted.  

Check the original posts for more details.

But again, Cossey basically didn't have anything to do with obtaining the parachutes.

Edited November 27, 2022 by Robert99

[dudeman17 270]

2 hours ago, Slim King said:

Cossey was the one that actually packed all of these chutes...   His name was on each of them as the last guy who packed them and when.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything significant. Someone earlier claimed that Cossey was the only rigger in the area. I find that a bit difficult to believe, because in any community of skydivers there is likely to be a number of people with rigger's tickets. HOWEVER, if Cossey was the main commercial rigger in the area, in that he ran the loft at the local drop zone, he and that loft would be the logical choice for aerobatic pilots (and their service personnel) when they needed their emergency rigs repacked. And the front reserve would have come from the student gear at that drop zone, also under Cossey's care. So for Cossey's name to be on all of those rigs would just be logical happenstance.

[dudeman17 270]

For the same reason - Cossey runs the rigging loft at the local drop zone, so he would be seen as the local go-to authority.

[Andrade1812 51]

4 hours ago, Slim King said:

After reading this section in NORJACK  I see that SEVEN aircraft went to locate and follow Flight 305 yet not a single one of them had VISUAL CONTACT!!! None of them saw the Boeing 727 !!!!

Not surprising. The pursuit aircraft were put five miles back and 1000ft above the airliner, which was the standard procedure for a hijacking at that time, according to Cliff Ammerman.

[Andrade1812 51]

2 hours ago, Slim King said:

Did you know that in Walter Peca/Reca's audio confession he refers to Cossey?

Cossey was a champion skydiver at the time, it's not a revelation that another local skydiver knew his name.

[dudeman17 270]

2 hours ago, Slim King said:

Did you know that in Walter Peca/Reca's audio confession he refers to Cossey?

 

13 minutes ago, Andrade1812 said:

Cossey was a champion skydiver at the time, it's not a revelation that another local skydiver knew his name.

Exactly. If Reca was a local jumper, it's quite possible that Cossey packed his reserve.

[FLYJACK 654]

21 minutes ago, Andrade1812 said:

Cossey was a champion skydiver at the time, it's not a revelation that another local skydiver knew his name.

Hold on.. back up, 

Reca/Peca's tapes are full of bad case information, 

It is clear that Carl Laurin researched the case, coached and led Reca/Peca with his poor research. Carl and Reca/Peca got so much wrong that the entire narrative is ridiculous...  everything said in those tapes is completely unreliable. To show that Reca/Peca knew Cossey it has to be corroborated beyond those tapes..  but a complete waste of time since Reca/Peca is not Cooper and the worst higher profile suspect ever presented. 

 

Edited November 28, 2022 by FLYJACK

[dudeman17 270]

I'm just being objective here...

 

21 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

To show that Reca/Peca knew Cossey it has to be corroborated beyond those tapes.

Skydiving communities are pretty small and interconnected. If Reca was a local jumper, he was at least acquainted with Cossey, if not a friend, and it's possible if not likely they had made jumps together.

 

26 minutes ago, Slim King said:

Yes ,, Peka/Reca  knew exactly who was packing the chutes so he could check to see if it was a bogus chute substituted by the FBI.

Again, not necessarily. For instance, if they had gotten the chutes from McChord, they would have been packed by someone different. And if the FBI had wanted to sabotage the chutes, they could have had a military rigger do it and leave whoever's name (Cossey) on the card. The three letters on the lead seal might be different, but that would depend on if Cooper knew what those letters should be, indeed if Cooper knew enough to look at them.

[FLYJACK 654]

3 hours ago, Slim King said:

After 50 years of failure you still spout the same story that has never worked. BTW.. I don't believe everything on the tapes is true. Assassins don't rat out on others who helped them. In this case Walter would never give up the names of those who helped him. He often used their initials.

The 50 years of failure line is irrelevant.. and IMO false..

The tapes are not evidence of anything...

What evidence do you have other than the tapes that Reca/Peca even knew of Cossey in 1971 or knew him personally?

[FLYJACK 654]

 

4 hours ago, Slim King said:

Why do you think the FBI used Cossey as their Spokesman when it came to the chutes etc?

He wasn't their spokesman.

[FLYJACK 654]

3 hours ago, Slim King said:

Yes ,, Peka/Reca  knew exactly who was packing the chutes so he could check to see if it was a bogus chute substituted by the FBI.

Prove it..