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***Look, Bruce. No one around here hates you.



WROOOOOOOONG!!!!

I don't hate Bruce. It's a big word.

Want to see why life-without is a better punishment than death? I used to be for the death penalty. Now I'm against it.

Check the picture I made. Lesile Van Houten, Manson Girl. Then and Now...getting the denial at her last parole hearing in California. She should just stop attending the hearings.


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RobertMBlevins

******Look, Bruce. No one around here hates you.



WROOOOOOOONG!!!!

I don't hate Bruce. It's a big word.

I thought u were speaking in general sense ... as in including everybody "around here" .... anyways I know YOU DON'T...

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Want to see why life-without is a better punishment than death? I used to be for the death penalty. Now I'm against it.

Check the picture I made. Lesile Van Houten, Manson Girl. Then and Now...getting the denial at her last parole hearing in California. She should just stop attending the hearings.



I am for capital punishment ... some people are just pure evil besides it's tax payers money, which I'd rather see go towards saving an innocent life ... having said that I am not suggesting Capital Punishment for being an ASS!! ;)

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Integrity! Integrity for sale! Step right up!
"Why I'll buy what your selling, Mister."
Go away kid, you're botherin' me. Integrity here! Integrity for sale!




Reichenbach,I think your statement sums it up!

Bevins: Have you spoke to the FBI recently...I mean an actual coversation?
NO way KC was Cooper. You know what they tell you - put it together and send it to us....the will never even read it....I got 2 phone calls in 19 yrs....the rest were ON my nickel...and I don't have any nickels left.

Florence: How many of you actually believe all of the things written in Greys book?

Florence tried to describe two little peaks in the hair line. The chin looked right. The eyes - wrong color (she was only shown a black & white & not told the eyes were blue). Don't take my word for it - watch one of the old video's she is telling the artist Cooper had 2 little peaks & they TV artist drew a Widows peak...NOW that one blew me away.

Last time the witnesses went public - the artist made a fool out of them with his sketch.

Gray: embellishes - he couldn't really get where he wanted to go - but he had too much invested to back away - so he just flew with what would sell. Needed to get back to his real job.

Blevins claims he gets to talk to Curtis Eng. Curtis did actually call me one time a few yrs ago, but I don't remember when. He told me the only thing that would solve the case or any reason they would look at a suspect...was a 20, the ticket - it had to be something tangible...that put the individual ON the plane.

Nothing Blevins has is tangible....therefore will Curtis back Blevins up? That is what they tell everyone - put a package together and send it to them...I was told that today.

March 28th was the 20th anniversary of Cooper's death. Duane L. Weber confessed, but there was no one to hear him, but his wife. His last words "Take the baby downstairs, Bring the baby back up,
I can't go till the Baby get here!"

Then he said "I love you" and then he was gone.

I miss him, but wish with all of my heart he had kept his damn secret or I had been able to understand the messages & things he left behind - the things that would have put him on the plane. I still have 3 items - and just maybe they WILL finally put Weber on that plane - but, the FBI did not share them with the parties who would know - so How do I handle that?
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No I have not spoken to the FBI yet. Not recently. Greg and I have to make an appointment, and that won't be until after April 22, when I return from Phoenix. I don't even know if it will be Curtis Eng. We're not there to convince them KC was Cooper. We're going there to deliver the final report on him, Lyle's DNA profile, and the photo albums which (hopefully) have KC's prints on the pictures. I'd just mail it to them, but I need a guarantee the photo albums will be returned to Lyle Christiansen. A receipt, or whatever. I promised this to Lyle.

Florence Schaffner told Geoff Gray that KC looked more like the hijacker than any photo she had previously seen. But...she didn't ID him as the hijacker either. KC's eyes are hazel by the way, not blue. Sheridan Peterson's are blue.

None of us here at AB figure the identity of the hijacker will ever be confirmed by just eyewitness testimony anyway. Or the case solved that way. After more than forty years are the FBI going to just declare someone the hijacker because a witness or two from the actual hijacking endorsed him? No way. There has to be more in the way of proof. It has to a fingerprint match, something with the DNA, and to a certain degree, our available witnesses on Kenny Christiansen himself. I think we're providing them enough so they can either confirm him or eliminate him once and for all.

Sure...I would be lying if I said I didn't hope it will go our way, and that Kenny will be proven to be Cooper.
But we're also realistic about it. Chances are pretty slim. But it's better to know the truth than to NOT know. That's the way I figure it anyway.

I think that's as honest as it gets.


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RobertMBlevins

Yes you can. Just go HERE. His records are not 'classified'.

You can also write a letter, but the easier way is to download and print up Form 180. You are next of kin, and his widow. You qualify.

Get Adobe Reader. This way you can read PDF's and download them and print them from websites. 90% of computers in the USA have it installed. When you download it, just make sure you un-check any boxes offering you a default search engine, a toolbar, etc. Then you'll be fine. I can't believe you have gotten along all these years without it. Almost all documents on the internet rely on Adobe Reader to access or read them.



:|You just do not listen or understand a damn thing I say...I was at the actual local office & I did make the request & was denied - a fact I was 3 yrs old in 1943 & therefore cannot be considered his wife...
I produced a marriage certificate - but again it was explained I could not have the file - the man was nice enough to read some things off to me - and then CENSORED - that word came up more than one time on what the man read to me. I was never sent the actual papers and still cannot GET THEM....I was a 3 yr old unrelated child at the time...I do NOT qualify unless they changed the rules since 2000 when I was there.

I would be mighty decent of the US Government to provide them - but they have CENSORED all over them. They only have the 2 months he spent at Camp Siebert - the next 2 1/2 months until discharge ARE NOT available.

Hell the man even told me what Duane had wrote home in a letter to his mother about his insurance which was all covered in a letter his brother sent to me from his mother....I got the damn letter - so you want to continue to disputer this old crap? When it is CLASSIFIED it is classified.
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DO U actually think they will investigate KC.
Wrong height, wrong colored eyes & the people in your story went into hiding!

Pretty soon I expect you to notify us that Margie and Mr. Geestman are deceased.
If your story was true - the YOU would STAY intouch with your KEY witnesses. Problem is they seem to be hiding even from you. I understand Margie is deceased.
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Let me guess. You went to a local Veterans office or something? When did you make this request? You have to go ONLINE for the request for best results. Here are the parameters:

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Please Note: 'Next-of-kin (the un-remarried widow or widower, son, daughter, father, mother, brother or sister of the deceased veteran) must provide proof of death of the veteran, such as a copy of the death certificate, a letter from the funeral home or a published obituary.'



Form 180. You download it. You print it. You fill it out. You prove death of the veteran, and tossing in a copy of your marriage certificate wouldn't hurt. Hopefully, Duane enlisted under the same name as the one on the marriage certificate.

Forget going in person. This is the best way. Since Duane was discharged that far back, even I could get his publicly available record via online request. If you want this, you will have to go to the site. With Adobe Reader. They do offer to mail you the form if you want, but the site for requests is HERE.

These days, getting military records is a lot like dealing with the IRS. They will send you your stuff, or what you need...but you have to send in the form and any attachments they require. Kind of like filing tax forms.

Then some bureaucratic drone eventually sends you your 'stuff'. ;)


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Blevins I am FED up. You came to this thread and your story was in shambles and even I tried to help you. YOU never EVER read back to the origin of the story I told other that SKIP"s contributions to 101.

YOU shut down the DZ as an investigative tool. NO one wants to hear anymore about KC unless it is NEW information. You repeat the same ole same old & every one just wants you to go away.

You have caused me to have to repeat myself & you used up this valuable tool to SELL a damn BOOK. U Know KC was not and could not be Cooper. THE DZ is fed UP with You and with Cooper - because YOU will not allow a discussion to be made with out promoting your book.

YOU make me and everyone else to have to repeat and be boring...YOU stopped all of the investigation that was going on. NO one wants to deal with you. My posting would be a fraction of what they are IF we didn't have to expend time dealing with the PROMOTION aspect of your book and your story about a man U never met - NOT to mention that your witnesses have a way of going POOF! IF they really exist why do they not come here to defend YOU.

YOU have single handedly closed this thread - you have ignored all of the warings...

The regulars are fed up with the promotions & the constant REPEAT REPEAT to sell a book. The only reason it has been allowed to go on - is because there was hope beyond all hope that someone would come forward and say - my grandfather had a picture of that guy!

NO one ever expect writer to come here to promote or create their books - how many book have been written in the yrs since I first came to the DZ - but NO BOOK by JO nor has Jo EVER attempted to profit by this....

Guys if the thread is shut down - would some of you regular DROPZONE posters contact not by PM, but by my regular email address as I am sure they will make sure I do NOT start up another thread.

I came to the DZ hoping for closure & that closure is coming - but I can no longer deal with Blevins or Bruce. I did actually talk to the FBI today - but, they want the pictures and the things I am not good at putting together.

ANY ONE know some one who can do this for me in my area - let me know. The agent tells me to mail it to them - but, I think a better thing is to MAIL it to the witnesses and the main characters a few days before the FBI gets theirs..

377 tell SNOWMAN I need his help - TELL him I caught the things back then - but I didn't know how to handle it. Tell him to send me very thing he has on HALE and all of the other camps from 1942 to late 1943...I need pictures pictures pictutures.

My private email is Homes4ubyjw@aol.com
I think we can put that in the thread? At least I am not advertising a book - I just good straight honest answers...

I need anything I can get my hands on about the camps from 1942 to 1943 in the Colorado area...Pictures - Pictures - and names - especially NAMES. Where they are now if still alive and if deceased date of and anything they can tell me about any guys working the camps - like Hale and the salletite posts. Names of the occupants and the prisnoners and stories about how the prisoners (american boys gone wrong) how they were treated in the camps...I know Duane did well - he was a likeable person

If we kept the tread and could only talk about ACTUAL jumpers and those who assisted the jumpers during the proper
yrs and for these people to talk about the renagades...yrs..

Any one at these camps know how the good guys treated the prisoner...Some of them would be brother against brother....There has to a lof of good war storys agout he beginning of jumping suche and another articla tha indicates we want to talke Coop and wiith susgestions about how serious the sustpect was.[email]
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How do I request copies of records?

Certain basic information is needed to locate military service records. This information includes: the veteran's complete name as used in service; service number; branch of service; date and place of birth; dates of service. For records affected by the 1973 Fire, additional information, such as place of discharge; last assigned unit; and place of entry into service may be useful.

To obtain a copy of an archival record (for a COPY FEE), a requestor may:

Mail a letter or Standard Form (SF) 180, Request Pertaining to Military Records to:

National Personnel Records Center
1 Archives Drive
St. Louis, MO 63138

Fax a letter or Standard Form 180 to: 314-801-9195

If you prefer to send your request via postal mail or fax, please use the Standard Form (SF) 180, Request Pertaining to Military Records. Although not mandatory, using the SF 180 is the recommended method to send a request for military service information. This form captures all the necessary information to locate a record. Please Note, the veteran's or next-of-kin's signature is not required on a request to obtain copies of archival records.



This is what you can get if you just a member of the general public and the person in question was discharged more than 62 years ago. It is an effort to strike a balance between privacy and the Freedom of Information Act. You can get more if you are next of kin.


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Folks - this thread has run its course on Dropzone.com. It has long turned into a bickering platform for 3 or 4 individuals. While we've tolerated this for a long time it has simply reached the point of diminishing returns. The number of PM complaints we have to deal with from the few members involved in this discussion about the conduct of the others is completely disproportional to the value we get from hosting this.

Please feel free to set up a discussion on one of the many free forums out there like:

https://groups.google.com/

Once done you're welcome to send me a URL and I'll make one final post to this thread to point others to the new discussion.

No, PMing me will not get me to reopen this thread.
Safe swoops
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