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RobertMBlevins

***Bruce,

*In reality, I would not review Bruce's book. There would be much wailing and knashing of teeth if I did, along with the usual accusations that I was giving him a poor review because of Into The Blast. However, my cat Hobo has expressed an interest in doing a review. Unfortunately, I told him he couldn't, because as our Official Office Cat he is also associated with Adventure Books. B|



ROFL :ph34r::ph34r::D this forum is fast becoming my favorite stress buster

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Duane Weber on more than one occassion was for periods of time exposed to Rock Climing, Skiing (but he was better at Ice Skating), survival in cold moutain settings and paratrooper training. I knew its and bits of the story of those yrs, but it took recent findings to be able to see it clearly and present it in such a way the FBI nor the Goverment could continue to deny Duane Weber had the actual training and opportunity I have maintained for yrs.

Sorry it took me 20 yrs to find this but that was how GOD designed it. I wasn't supposed to know - but, my renewed faith has given me a GIFT.

Yes, those cook books played a very important part of all of this - the GOD part. Where they books left on the plane by family members or was that something Cooked UP buy the writer Cook...I never knew who instigated the enquiry or it it even happened.



Hmm.. I get the connection now.

I think there's more to his life than the Dan Cooper angle. I mean if the guy has cooked up so much...may be he did this confession as well. Or maybe he said it for you to start digging about his life after he was gone.... kinda his way that u deserve to know the truth.

But again if you keep turning I am sure you will land up at bizarre in his life.

Thousandthings,

Jo Weber and Blevins main purpose, and perhaps sole purpose, in life is to post nonsense on this thread.

Reportedly, Jo and Duane Weber became interested in the Cooper hijacking when another escaped airline hijacker (Richard McCoy?) was killed in a shoot out with the FBI when they tried to arrest him in the city where Jo and Duane then lived.

Jo and Duane then reportedly did some checking into the DB Cooper hijacking but nothing became public until after Duane died in 1995 and then over a year later when Jo started claiming that Duane had said a few days before his death that he was Cooper.

Jo's story about Duane is pure baloney. Jo can't even prove that Duane Weber was on the Planet Earth the day of the Cooper hijacking.

Blevins is apparently having a mid-life crisis and that led him to get involved with some other people in writing a book about a specific individual who they claim (and/or deny claiming) was DB Cooper. They have not produced a scintilla of evidence to support their allegations.

In fact Blevins' book was so poorly researched that his famous cat, Hobo, could have done the research, and probably did. If Blevins recent posts are to be believed, Hobo may be going to branch out and do reviews of other peoples books.

In the meantime, Blevins and Jo Weber are trying to set themselves up as the King and Queen of this thread. And woe to anyone who dares challenge their pronouncements.

Robert99

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Duane Weber on more than one occassion was for periods of time exposed to Rock Climing, Skiing (but he was better at Ice Skating), survival in cold moutain settings and paratrooper training.



I could believe most of the things on that list except for the last one. I think Duane was RA...Regular Army, not the paratroops.

I saw a post back there about Revenge Story. Yes, I already said I wrote that one. I tried using a pen name, Julia Broussard, because it is so violent I wasn't sure I wanted my name associated with it. It wasn't even a week after it appeared at Amazon that I started getting messages questioning whether I actually wrote it. That's because I made a post at Facebook saying the book was being made free as an introduction for the first three days after release.

So...I pulled the file and changed some things in the book. Like the author's name and the About the Author page. And then I had to modify the cover. No big deal. It hasn't been at Amazon long enough yet to do the usual promotions, so sales have been slow. Hundreds went out on the Free Plan, but only a few paid sales.

And yes, I suppose the Newsvine article about Christopher Boyce is somewhat similar to a scene from the book. (saw that post, too) I'm guessing you mean the scene where Ben Cummings and Karen Morris buy the Ford pickup and camper at the car lot, after Cummings figures out the cops know they are in a stolen motorhome.

Damn. You can't get away with anything these days. ;)


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Robt99 MADE THE STATEMENT BELOW!

"Jo Weber and Blevins main purpose, and perhaps sole purpose, in life is to post nonsense on this thread."


[:/]Jo replies - my only purpose is to understand Duane's confession and
his life...one I knew nothing about until I contacted the FBI regarding his confession.

"Reportedly, Jo and Duane Weber became interested in the Cooper hijacking when another escaped airline hijacker (Richard McCoy?) was killed in a shoot out with the FBI when they tried to arrest him in the city where Jo and Duane then lived."

>:( EXCUSE ME!

You went on to make the statement above which you know to be a lie and a direct attack on my integrity!


My reply to such an out landish
remark.

>:(
DUANE & I DID NOT MOVE
TO VIRGINAL BEACH UNTIL
1983. I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT
MCCOY UNTIL DUANE TOLD ME
NOR WAS IT OF ANY INTEREST
TO ME. ALL DUANE DID ON THAT
DAY WAS SHOW ME HOW TO
GET TO THE MALL & TO THE
GROCERY - THAT SITE JUST
HAPPENED TO BE ON THAT
ROUTE.

THE INCIDENT WAS NEVER
MENTIONED AGAIN BY WEBER.
WE LEFT VA IN 1989 BECAUSE
DUANE WENT OUT ON
DIABILITY.


JO DID NOT CHECK INTO
ANYTHING COOPER RELATED!
NOTHING. IOTA!

JO WEBER IS SETTING NOTHING
UP - IF I HAD BEEN DOING SO
I WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED THE
OFFERS MADE YRS AGO
REGARDING A MOVIE & A BOOK,
BUT I CHOSE TO KEEP
SEARCHING FOR MORE PROOF.
ALL I WANTED WAS THE TRUTH.
&
NOTHING MORE THAN THE TRUTH.

YOUR ENTIRE POSTING WAS
MADE UP JUST TO AGITATE - SO
WHY DO YOU EVEN COME TO
THIS THREAD?
..

YOU DO NOTHING BUT ATTACK
OTHERS - NOTHING!
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Blevins is apparently having a mid-life crisis and that led him to get involved with some other people in writing a book about a specific individual who they claim (and/or deny claiming) was DB Cooper. They have not produced a scintilla of evidence to support their allegations.

In fact Blevins' book was so poorly researched that his famous cat, Hobo, could have done the research, and probably did. If Blevins recent posts are to be believed, Hobo may be going to branch out and do reviews of other peoples books.

In the meantime, Blevins and Jo Weber are trying to set themselves up as the King and Queen of this thread. And woe to anyone who dares challenge their pronouncements.

Robert99



What is this? I'm not the one around here calling himself King or Prince or whatever. And I have made multiple posts saying...and in the cover letter for the FBI report on Christiansen it also says...

THIS:

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'If there are differences between the book we published on Christiansen, ‘Into the Blast,’ and this report, the report is the much more accurate source. At the time of publication of the book, some key elements had not yet come to light, and some minor mistakes appear in it. The book itself should be considered only a general guide on Christiansen, and not a real reference on the evidence against Christiansen. The book was released four years ago and much more was discovered regarding Christiansen and the Geestman couple since that time...'



I have presented plenty of evidence on Christiansen. And my approach with him is nothing like that of Jo Weber's, and we're not even investigating the same person. I don't know why you keep bringing her name up to me. The problem is that (except for some purchase issues on Christiansen's house in Bonney Lake) no one ever bothered to check out what was presented. Maybe you think I just made it all up or something. You can go with that if you wish. :)
Why don't we let the Seattle FBI decide the merit of the evidence? I am sure the package we're going to present to them will give them the tools to get to the bottom of the whole thing with Kenny Christiansen. They will have his prints (we hope), his brother's DNA profile, an extensive witness list with the witnesses' statements and contact info, and the report itself to examine. Should be enough to figure out what's what with him and the Geestman couple. I don't see anything unfair about that approach. The whole thing is a combination package, i.e. this presentation to the Seattle FBI. And I think the most important bit of it, if you can single just one thing out of that presentation, is Kenny Christiansen's fingerprints. The photo albums Lyle sent belonged to Kenny alone, and we believe many of his prints will still be on the pictures, under the plastic covering the pictures. (That's what we're hoping, at least.) All the FBI needs to do is match just ONE of them to the prints from the hijacking...

We had some problems getting his prints anyway. We think much of his total Army record was destroyed in the 1973 St Louis fire, including his print set. 80% of the Army Personnel records for the time period Kenny was in the Army were destroyed in the fire. (Army has been doing restoration work on recovering at least the BASIC records, so vets can get benefits, but they will never get it all back.)

I racked my brain for months trying to figure out where we could get his prints. As you may know, Kenny did not have an arrest record and was not in the NCIC database. It was actually Lyle Christiansen who suggested the photo albums. *Light bulb comes on* You can bet I jumped on that opportunity quickly. Send them, I told Lyle. Yes. Send the photo albums. One of the reasons Greg and I have to meet in person with the FBI is because I need a receipt for the photo albums. Lyle wants them returned when the Seattle FBI is finished with them.


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. . . . .

And I think the most important bit of it, if you can single just one thing out of that presentation, is Kenny Christiansen's fingerprints.

. . . . .


80% of the Army Personnel records for the time period Kenny was in the Army were destroyed in the fire.

. . . . .

As you may know, Kenny did not have an arrest record and was not in the NCIC database.

. . . . .



Blevins,

Unless I have gone blind and become senile, some of KC's service records have already been posted on this thread.

You can't blame all of your problems on the fire you mentioned.

Further, what makes you so certain the FBI doesn't have KC's fingerprints already. He doesn't need to be a criminal to have his prints on file there.

A few decades back, I read a story about a young girl whose family toured the FBI's offices in Washington. As part of that tour she had her fingerprints taken during a demonstration. Several decades later, she died in some manner that I don't recall and those fingerprints were used to identify her.

I have always assumed that my fingerprints were on file at the FBI since I was about 15 years old. They were taken at that time as a requirement for me flying as a passenger on military aircraft.

Robert99

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Blevins,

Unless I have gone blind and become senile, some of KC's service records have already been posted on this thread.

You can't blame all of your problems on the fire you mentioned.



Yes, his basic enlistment file and his DD214 have been posted. And we do have his right thumbprint, but that's about it right now. I personally could not obtain his full set of records. That is being done by Lyle Christiansen, but it takes a while...and due to EIGHTY PERCENT of the personnel records now destroyed of anyone who was in the US Army during the time Kenny was serving...the full files are probably not available. They were destroyed in a fire that lasted for days, during which time they also flooded the building with water for the same amount of time, even longer than the fire actually lasted. Didn't you go to the link I provided? The DOD calls it a disaster. Ever since 1973, a team of experts have been trying to recover as much as they can from burned and water-damaged records. This effort continues to the present day. You should GO TO THE LINK and see for yourself. The goal of the restoration isn't to replace full files. That is impossible now. They're just trying to reconstruct enough so that veterans who apply for benefits can at least prove they were in the service.

You can't just obtain someone's prints by magic, Robert. Especially on someone who might not be in the NCIC database. That's where your prints go if you've ever been arrested in your life. We considered the idea that his prints might have been taken by NWA because of his purser job, but then we found out that Way Back When in the history of Northwest Airlines...they used to purge a lot of the employee records every few years. This information came from Bruce Kitt, curator of NWA History Museum. We believe our best chance on Kenny's prints are the photo albums. I have examined them briefly using rubber gloves, and I did not move the plastic sheets covering the photos. There are also some good examples of his handwriting, I noticed. He did some handmade little cards and put notes on them, in addition to the pictures. I also saw more pictures of his friends, none of whom I recognized except Robin and Carolyn Powell, and people we interviewed already. There are just so many pictures and cards that I'm pretty sure the FBI will be able to obtain prints. Kenny was the one who put all the albums together. As far as any NCIC entries on him, even Skipp Porteous couldn't get access to NCIC. So he went with the traditional arrest record checking...but that is mainly the online services. Kenny doesn't show up on those databases for any arrests, but those databases are the newer background check types and haven't been running for all that many years. Since Kenny died in 1994, it causes problems trying to find a lot on him at those sites. Searching on living people works much better. I will make a mention to the FBI that they should maybe check NCIC first. Maybe he got arrested for something minor and never said anything about it, who knows? Even if it only happened once in his life, he will be on NCIC. (In case anyone doesn't know, NCIC stands for National Crime and Information Center. If you've ever been arrested and printed...you are in there. And it goes back many, many years.)

We're trying.


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Yes, his basic enlistment file and his DD214 have been posted. And we do have his right thumbprint, but that's about it right now. I personally could not obtain his full set of records. That is being done by Lyle Christiansen, but it takes a while...



Blevins,

Just exactly what do you think you are going to find in KC's full service records that would have any relevance to the Cooper hijacking?

You have said that you served in the Army. If you did, then surely you have some idea about what is in your own service records.

You are not going to find anything in KC's service records that will grow him from 5 feet 8 inches to 6 feet or change his eye color. Dream on!

Robert99

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Yes, his basic enlistment file and his DD214 have been posted. And we do have his right thumbprint, but that's about it right now. I personally could not obtain his full set of records. That is being done by Lyle Christiansen, but it takes a while...



Blevins,

Just exactly what do you think you are going to find in KC's full service records that would have any relevance to the Cooper hijacking?

You have said that you served in the Army. If you did, then surely you have some idea about what is in your own service records.

You are not going to find anything in KC's service records that will grow him from 5 feet 8 inches to 6 feet or change his eye color. Dream on!

Robert99

His prints. That's what we were looking for. I thought you would have figured that out by now...

As far as your reliance on the FBI's description as the Word of God on the matter...why don't you back off and let us do our job. You act as if you are afraid we might be right. Description notwithstanding, (which varies a bit depending on which witness was doing the telling) if they get a single match from Kenny's prints to one of the 56 they took from the plane...well...you can see where this is going.

I like how the witnesses described the Green River Killer so well. Turned out he wasn't six to six one either. Even the cops at the Task Force didn't recognize him when they called him to their office for the swab. With a warrant, no less. And his poster was right there on the wall. Go figure. :S

You keep calling me out for evidence on Christiansen. That's what we're presenting to the Seattle FBI pretty soon. Instead of knocking on that, you should be encouraging us. There hasn't been one serious submission on a suspect since Marla Cooper came to town. Try to understand something, Robert. This is going to happen whether you and your friends at Shutter's website like it or not. So either get behind it, (if you're really serious about finding out whether Kenny was Cooper or not) or just let it go and we will handle the rest. If you guys don't believe Kenny was the guy, well...here's your big chance to find out and maybe get him permenantly dismissed as a suspect in the case. Sure, we are hopeful we're right. We're also realistic about it. Chances are small we actually got it right. Personally, I'm tired of working on this and I intend to find out if he was Cooper or not...and FOR SURE this time. I don't understand why anyone interested in the case would not want us to do this. You're certainly tired of hearing about him, and I am just as tired of discussing him. Action is required to settle the question once and for all.


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Yes, his basic enlistment file and his DD214 have been posted. And we do have his right thumbprint, but that's about it right now. I personally could not obtain his full set of records. That is being done by Lyle Christiansen, but it takes a while...



Blevins,

Just exactly what do you think you are going to find in KC's full service records that would have any relevance to the Cooper hijacking?

You have said that you served in the Army. If you did, then surely you have some idea about what is in your own service records.

You are not going to find anything in KC's service records that will grow him from 5 feet 8 inches to 6 feet or change his eye color. Dream on!

Robert99

His prints. That's what we were looking for. I thought you would have figured that out by now...

As far as your reliance on the FBI's description as the Word of God on the matter...why don't you back off and let us do our job. You act as if you are afraid we might be right. Description notwithstanding, (which varies a bit depending on which witness was doing the telling) if they get a single match from Kenny's prints to one of the 56 they took from the plane...well...you can see where this is going.

I like how the witnesses described the Green River Killer so well. Turned out he wasn't six to six one either. Even the cops at the Task Force didn't recognize him when they called him to their office for the swab. With a warrant, no less. And his poster was right there on the wall. Go figure. :S

You keep calling me out for evidence on Christiansen. That's what we're presenting to the Seattle FBI pretty soon. Instead of knocking on that, you should be encouraging us. There hasn't been one serious submission on a suspect since Marla Cooper came to town. Try to understand something, Robert. This is going to happen whether you and your friends at Shutter's website like it or not. So either get behind it, (if you're really serious about finding out whether Kenny was Cooper or not) or just let it go and we will handle the rest. If you guys don't believe Kenny was the guy, well...here's your big chance to find out and maybe get him permenantly dismissed as a suspect in the case. Sure, we are hopeful we're right. We're also realistic about it. Chances are small we actually got it right. Personally, I'm tired of working on this and I intend to find out if he was Cooper or not...and FOR SURE this time. I don't understand why anyone interested in the case would not want us to do this. You're certainly tired of hearing about him, and I am just as tired of discussing him. Action is required to settle the question once and for all.

Blevins,

In case you haven't noticed, Cooper spent several hours in close contact with some people on the aircraft who were trained to be observant. And he didn't kill any of them. Not so with the Green River killer.

Be honest with yourself. Even if you have a full set of KC's fingerprints and his full DNA profile, and find no match whatsoever, you will still keep pushing your book in order to make another buck if you can.

Robert99

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I suggest some of u read this post & digest what I am telling and why Robt99 is so gun ho to shut me up!

The secrets are no longer secrets.
I am changing the posting but only to add things.

The bolds are where I changed thing for clarity and I removed some useless infomation,


skyjack71

Duanes - supposed Army Record:

March 31, 1943 to July 14, 1943 - did he get kicked out of the army or did they put him in a SPECIAL program..

Was he in prison - nope not until 1945.
April of 1943 a specialized Training program was made available for those who did NOT fit....seemingly else where.

Added:
There was a program created in CO and it also house Army prisoner and that is where he was sent for 2 months or more until he was officially discharged
.

Army Mountain Training Center & the 10th Mountain Division....Military prisoners where house there. Duane talked about this place & pointed out things in regards to it on one of out trips to the mountains of CO.

Prisoner were co-mingled with the active guys - the prisoners awaiting their discharge - enjoyed the same opportunities the other guys did.

Duane had an indirect family connection to one man there. A highly admired individual was stationed there & Duane knew him because of his family connections.

Duane was connected to this man thru his Great Aunt in Canada who was Swedish. I have a picture of her & her grave. Her last name was Kenyon but do not know what it was before or after.

Duane's Army military reads March 31, 1943 to July 14, 1943...problem is he was only there for 2 months in Camp Siebert. He was sent to Colorado for the duration until he was formally discharge....he was not official released until he was offically discharged in July.

Some how in all of this is the Columbia encarceration at a boys school, from which he seemingly escaped - even the government could never prove where he was until he ended up in CA & got sent to Mc Neil.

Records seemingly a shambles as he escaped - but where the hell was he.
Hiding in Plain site He was young & they needed the labor - he was one of the prisoner used in this mountain camp.

Can anyone find out the name of the man in the picture I will attach...I know what his name is, but the pic was made in CO & this young man went to Operation Market Garden & was wounded - I knew this man's history before I ever read about him yrs ago. Now there is MORE info about that camp than when I started this endeavor.

I had seen another photo amost like this one - but they were on the ground co-mingling with others. BUT, I had seen this actual phot picture before.

I had not idea that a prisoner still in the army was allowed to wear a uniform until officially discharged...I just thought I was seeing things....and didn't continue to persue it.

This was 2 months plus after he was sent out of Camp Siebert...& this man has on a uniform. I expect the wayward men there did more than labor. What some of them did changed their lives.

I also believe the man Duane went to see in Seattle may have been related to the man who became a hero and an accomplished person.

Like Duane he was a swimmer - Duane talked about this man, but only now do I know who the man was.. Remember that the man Duane went to see in WA in 1979 was Swedish also...like Aluana or Aluna or Alana - he worked in an office not far from the hotel we stayed in - it was supposedly in the same building that housed a News Paper or the guy worked for the New Paper in Seattle. That man is not the Swede I am speaking of in the thread, but probably related.

Duane's past is convoluted & like a jigsaw puzzle.


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At this date you will never get the complete file. With Weber the FBI had little to nothing. ONLY because of someone who went where others cannot go did we get what little information we did get....It just so happened that Duane's sister had some of the records & I cannot tell you or anyone how the others were obtain, but we did get them....yet, even those were skimpy - it would be yrs later we obtained records.

Some one who tried to obtain Duane's records was also told they where destroyed in a fire...but they were NOT! So we have a pretty damn good record of Duane's military files....but the FBI claimed Duane was never in the ARMY, but we had the papers sent to us by the family with his ARMY ID NUMBER on them....the letter he sent to his mother while in Camp Siebert in 1943.

Remember I tried to get more in 2000 I believe if I remember correctly - and the file came up CLASSIFIED. The man excused himself & then came back with a code - I was not privey to the file because I was NOT listed as a wife or mother...I looked at the man and told him - I was only 3 or 4 yrs old at the time of the records and did not marry Duane until 1978. I gave him the famiy names but he still would not give me any information and told me how to file for them....what we got from all of that was nothing other than both discharge papers which I ALREADY had....none of the detail records we had ALREADY acquire in a some what illegal mannery...from the navy.

I was looking for the ARMY papers & informed him I already had the Navy records - but needed the army records.

HIS Army records were CLASSIFIED - because I got a sneak look at the computer when he left the room.

Good Luck - if anyone can get them it would be Lyle and even he probably will not get them at this late date since Kenny did not have a wife or child.

The reason we wanted the Army records was BECAUSE the FBI had claimed DUANE WEBER was never in the ARMY! THIS is WHEN I took on the FBI and confronted the AGENT incharge. When he told me again Duane was never in the ARMY - I confronted him BIG time and then 3 hours later he calls back and said that they had his ARMY NUMBER WRONG....

DUH! They had a copy of what I had and that was obtained from his sister.

THE FBI's GOOF UP is WHY I went PUBLIC!

Otherwise Jo would never have spoke up, but WE caught the FBI in out and out lies! The agent then tried to convince the public they had the number wrong - HOW did they GET that Wrong! THEY had the single sheet of Paper I had regarding the ARMY and the NUMBER was on it.

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I suggest some of u read this post & digest what I am telling and why Robt99 is so gun ho to shut me up!

The secrets are no longer secrets.
I am changing the posting but only to add things.

The bolds are where I changed thing for clarity and I removed some useless infomation,

. . . . .

Prisoner were co-mingled with the active guys - the prisoners awaiting their discharge - enjoyed the same opportunities the other guys did.

. . . . .



Jo,

Your story gets more bizarre ever day.

"Prisoners" did not co-mingle with "non-prisoners". They mingled only with other prisoners in stockades and were under armed guard.

It doesn't make any difference whose Aunt Duane knew or whatever.

You are totally clueless as to how the military operated in the World War II era.

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Blevins,

In case you haven't noticed, Cooper spent several hours in close contact with some people on the aircraft who were trained to be observant. And he didn't kill any of them. Not so with the Green River killer.

Be honest with yourself. Even if you have a full set of KC's fingerprints and his full DNA profile, and find no match whatsoever, you will still keep pushing your book in order to make another buck if you can.

Robert99



Makes assumptions not in evidence, as they might say on Perry Mason. If I cared about book sales regarding Into The Blast, I wouldn't be offering up all the evidence to the FBI. If the FBI eliminates KC as a suspect based on what we submit to them, I will have to pull the book, modify it heavily, and change the title.

FYI Robert: I make more on a single private book edit than I make on Blast in any six month period. If it's the Full Monty, where I do the cover, format it for Kindle and PDF and paperback/hardcover versions, I make more than Blast brings to AB in a YEAR.

Anyone who believes they will make any real money on Cooper is deluding themselves. The only one who made a real buck on the case was Geoff Gray, but he had a major publisher's PR Dept. behind him.

Don't worry about it, Robert. We both know the chances of us actually being right are a lot less than the alternative. If I cared strictly about money from booksales, I would just keep telling everyone KC's a good suspect and not meet with the FBI at all. I could just let it ride and go on collecting those modest royalties for years to come.

Funny thing happened along the way, though. I decided it was better to know the truth about Kenny than to just keep picking up a few bucks here and there telling his story.

You keep reaching for the money angle regarding our efforts on Christiansen. It's like you don't want to accept certain truths...such as...this is like fourth or fifth time I've had to remind you that I've turned down good money from History Channel, ($2,500) Adrenaline Hunter show, ($1,000), and a modest five-figure offer from a NY film production company for the rights, (exact number is NOYB).

So you can get off the money motivation theme anytime you wish. I'm beginning to wonder if you have short-term memory loss or something. :S


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With what the FBI has on their emails IF they even read them - is a finding NO ONE ever expected.

The information has been forwarded to all who matter & NO one in this thread.


I will provide you guys a hint if U really want to know the answers as to who Cooper REALLY was.

Hale, Colorado.....
Pictures are very very important.
I had researched this before yrs ago,
but now there is something there I had never seen & only told about by Weber.

U guys will recall that Weber was in Colorado & encarcerated....supposedly!
1960 to 1962 & formed a union with a woman in 1962 who he would divorce in 1972.

Immediately after release he spends a few wks with his sister & introduced to another world by his brother-in-law.

Do any of you have any idea where Weber was right after he was discharged from the Navy? Do any of you have any idea where Weber was from 1962 to 1964.

Why did the FBI conceal this or where they ordered to ignore it?

A man Duane knew was wounded & discharged New Yrs. 1945! A man Duane told me about - but, just figured it was just a story.

Remember all of those PATCHES Duane had when he died - the ones I sold to a collector at a garage sale after Weber died?

I am sure 377 remembers.

1943 there was some strange training going on in Colorado....guys who could not pass mustard because of their eye site or other problems - men who made good soldiers, because an organization came to their aid.

A special camp for special people.

Is there a picture of Weber in this camp?
How could that be? In 1943 there were many misfits placed in to specialized traing - some not considered physically capable due to such minor things as vision.

Is there a picture of Weber at this facility?
He definitely knew one of the other men in the picture....because he told me about him, but I didn't know who he was referring to until recently.

Was this the beginning of Weber's on again off again connections to another world?

The authorities will be given a dead line to identify the man in the picture - then I go public trying to find out the name that man used...somewhere there must be a record. I already knew the story yrs & yrs ago and one I tried to tell, but with NO proof.

The connections Weber made at this facility would involve him in other things in the 60's...

I wondered why Duane spoke of these things but I was trying to connect so many dots - and a lot of what is now public was not public 10 yrs ago. Most of the men are deceased and family members are telling their story...this story I already knew because it was a story Weber told me.

At one time I touched on this, but I did not have any physical proof or anything that could make a connection....

Afraid to say anymore in the event it will all go POOF! as so much had done that over the yrs...

Bad timing for me - but, perhaps that is why it is only now being made available...
I want to know MORE & I want to know why I was ignored regarding this - 18 yrs ago.

Old pictures have a way being made public that should never have been, because family members didn't themselves know the significance of the old photos...they were just photos shared by the family as they tell the story about their deceased and picture not intended to be made public. Just a guy sending pictures home to his family....

Of course he had no way to know that one young man would use what he learned to commit a skyjacking in 1971. They after all had been accepted in to a program that allowed them to serve the country they loved.

If there is one pic out there then there must be others & there must be records of some kind....there had to be names. We have no idea what name Weber may have been using.

Surely the CIA or FBI can pull the names of all individuals involved - surely they did not destroy all of the old files. Now we have approx dates and NO reason for the Government to continue to deny deny deny.

Perhaps because Weber was involved in other things after this approx 1943 thing. Remember he supposedly was not in McNeil & yet they used the McNeil prints per Ckret (Carr) & they still use the prints from 1945.


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HALE COLORADO - 1942 forward...things only now being told by the men who were there and the relative whose family members where there.


What is wrong Robert can you not read & research:


skyjack71

With what the FBI has on their emails IF they even read them - is a finding NO ONE ever expected.

The information has been forwarded to all who matter & NO one in this thread.

I will provide you guys a hint if U really want to know the answers as to who Cooper REALLY was.

Hale, Colorado.....
Pictures are very very important.
I had researched this before yrs ago,
but now there is something there I had never seen & only told about by Weber.


U guys will recall that Weber was in Colorado & encarcerated....supposedly!
1960 to 1962 & formed a union with a woman in 1962 who he would divorce in 1972.

Immediately after release he spends a few wks with his sister & introduced to another world by his brother-in-law.


GO BACK a FEW YRS Robert you need to be informed!

Do any of you have any idea where Weber was right after he was discharged from the Navy? Do any of you have any idea where Weber was from 1962 to 1964.

Why did the FBI conceal this or where they ordered to ignore it?

Now step back in time to 1942 and 1943 when Duane was at Camp Siebert.
Note that Duane was only at Camp Siebert for 2 months but NOT discharge and removed from that base only 2 months later - WHERE was he? Well, perhaps if you knew the history of HALE, you might figure it out. Duane was sent to Hale and remained there until the papers and his dimissal from the ARMY happened.


Now step back in time:

A man Duane knew was wounded & discharged New Yrs. 1945! A man Duane told me about - but, just figured it was just a story.

Remember all of those PATCHES Duane had when he died - the ones I sold to a collector at a garage sale after Weber died?

I am sure 377 remembers.

1943 there was some strange training going on in Colorado....guys who could not pass mustard because of their eye site or other problems - men who made good soldiers, because an organization came to their aid.

A special camp for special people.


Is there a picture of Weber in this camp?

How could that be? In 1943 there were many misfits placed into specialized traing - some not considered physically capable due to such minor things as vision...and those considered unfit to serve - such as having the spirit to protect a woman being molested by a 90 day wonder in the NAVY.

Is there a picture of Weber at this facility?

He definitely knew one of the other men in the picture....because he told me about him, but I didn't know who he was referring to until recently.

Was this the beginning of Weber's on again off again connections to another world?

The authorities will be given a dead line to identify the man in the picture - then I go public trying to find out the name that man used...somewhere there must be a record. I already knew the story yrs & yrs ago and one I tried to tell, but with NO proof.

The connections Weber made at this facility would involve him in other things in the 60's...

I wondered why Duane spoke of these things, but I was trying to connect too many dots - and a lot of what is now public was not public 10 yrs ago. Most of the men are deceased and family members are telling their story...this story I already knew because it was a story Weber told me.

At one time I touched on this, but I did not have any physical proof or anything that could make a connection....

Afraid to say anymore in the event it will all go POOF! as so much had done that over the yrs...

Bad timing for me - but, perhaps that is why it is only now being made available...

I want to know MORE & I want to know why I was ignored regarding this - 18 yrs ago.

Old pictures have a way being made public that should never have been, because family members didn't themselves know the significance of the old photos...they were just photos shared by the family as they tell the story about their deceased & pictures not intended to be made public. Just a guy sending pictures home to his family....

Of course they had no way to know that one young man would use what he learned to commit a skyjacking in 1971. They after all had been accepted in to a program that allowed them to serve the country they loved...even as prisoneer - and they were NOT locked up - they were being utilized on that base and befriended by other on that base.

If there is one pic out there then there must be others & there must be records of some kind....there had to be names. We have no idea what name Weber may have been using or what the called him other than Johnny.

Surely the CIA or FBI can pull the names of all individuals involved - surely they did not destroy all of the old files. Now we have approx dates and NO reason for the Government to continue to deny deny deny.

Perhaps because Weber was involved in other things after this approx 1943 thing. Remember he supposedly was not in McNeil & yet they used the McNeil prints per Ckret (Carr) & they still use the prints from 1945.


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Duane Weber had a hell of an IQ & some serious exposure (not just training and planning I guess).... they say a lifetime of happiness cannot teach you lessons that a few bad days can.

Having a high IQ does not mean being well educated... things get in the way - behavior problems, wars, family loosing the family business and home to the depression.

Duane wanted to be a pilot. The first time Duane tried to enlist at the ripe old age of 15 he was rejected & he was farsighted. Gets in the Navy & get kicked out for trying to save a damsel in distress from a 90 day wonder.

In April of 1943 he writes a letter home from Camp Sibert... the penmanship & subject matter is sufficient. He encloses a picture of himself in a Army uniform, but the brother did not find a picture of Duane in an ARMY uniform.
But knew he was really in the Army because a friend of the family had run into him at Camp Siebert.

Duane L. Weber 35608905
Co D- 2st CWS Tng. Regt
Camp Siebert, Ala.

I provided the FBI with that information in 1997 and yet they claimed on 2 occassions Duane was never in the ARMY...as late a 2000 the agent was making this claim - and he excused himself from the phone and called me back about 3 hrs later...saying they had a number wrong! BULL! They had copies of the same papers I had with the correct number on it...as per the letter address above.

When CARR came to the thread he tried claiming Duane was not in the ARMY, but I quickly got that staightened out.

NOTE the date of the letter - April 15, 1943 this is very important to remember. He would NOT be formally released from the Army until the end JULY - but he was not kept at Camp Siebert - he was sent to a place where he got some additional training along with a lot of HARD LABOR.

The date of a letter Duane sent home is important for you to remember and then remember this DUANE flies off of the map for 18 months or more only to surface again in CA. where his parent lived in 1943. April 15, 1943.

The Army and the Navy seem to be stacked. In lots of pain - will try to come back and finish this post in a few minutes.
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Some one who tried to obtain Duane's records was also told they where destroyed in a fire...but they were NOT!



Partial results of the 1973 fire in St. Louis, which was the only repository at that time for anyone's full available military records and files:

Branch: Army

Personnel and Period Affected: Army Personnel discharged November 1, 1912 to January 1, 1960

Estimated Loss: 80%

Just saying. You can get SOME records...USUALLY. The problem is getting everything that is available. No better than a one-in-five chance on that. However, as Duane's surviving widow, you can make the usual requests and they will send you everything they have. And most times this is free, you just have to send in the proper forms.

And if you want to print or work with PDF documents, you need Adobe Reader, Jo. Look at it this way. 90% of computers had it installed as of 2010.


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Some one who tried to obtain Duane's records was also told they where destroyed in a fire...but they were NOT!



Partial results of the 1973 fire in St. Louis, which was the only repository at that time for anyone's full available military records and files:

Branch: Army

Personnel and Period Affected: Army Personnel discharged November 1, 1912 to January 1, 1960

Estimated Loss: 80%

Just saying. You can get SOME records...USUALLY. The problem is getting everything that is available. No better than a one-in-five chance on that. However, as Duane's surviving widow, you can make the usual requests and they will send you everything they have. And most times this is free, you just have to send in the proper forms.




DO U READ ANYTHING ANY ONE SAYS;
ALL WE GOT FROM THE AUTHORITIES WAS THE CERTIFICATE THAT STATES HE WAS IN THE ARMY AND THAT IS ALL - NO DETAILS.
I AM NOT CONSIDERED A PERSON OF INTEREST - AS IT WAS IN 1943 AND I WAS A CHILD OF 3. I HAVE ALL OF THE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE RECORDS IF YOU WANT TO VIEW THEM - VERY SIMPLE THEY WILL NOT PROVIDE THE ARMY RECORDS FOR DUANE WEBER. ALL THEY PROVIDED WAS THE STANDARD CERTIFICATE.

HIS ARMY RECORDS ARE CONSIDERED CLASSIFIED
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Yes you can. Just go HERE. His records are not 'classified'.

You can also write a letter, but the easier way is to download and print up Form 180. You are next of kin, and his widow. You qualify.

Get Adobe Reader. This way you can read PDF's and download them and print them from websites. 90% of computers in the USA have it installed. When you download it, just make sure you un-check any boxes offering you a default search engine, a toolbar, etc. Then you'll be fine. I can't believe you have gotten along all these years without it. Almost all documents on the internet rely on Adobe Reader to access or read them.


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1943 and 1964 that was 71 and 51 yrs...is it time for the GOVERNMENT to release the truths?

Time for AMERICA to FESS up to the SECRETS they keep. Now those SECRETS ARE being told.

AWARE was very involved in the construction of the air strips & the towers...and guess were some of them got their training in the 40's.

Secret CIA operations to train & arm Tibetan freedom fighter against the Chinese Communists....it was called Intermountain Communications...in 1960 and guess what they trained in very place that trained other special groups in 1943...high in the Colorado Rockies ---Camp Hale and utilized all of the same facilities scatter thru out the area.

1943 - it was prisoners and guys being trained for special missions in WWII and it involved parachuting and mountain climbing....they intended to retake the Italian Alps from the Nazis....They used the guys who had been sent there to pack chutes & clean & do other things...no man power was wasted being confined unless the wayward soldier was beligerant or dangerous. Duane was actually a good boy and a good worker and willing to learn...he was hoping they would not kick him out of the ARMY so he did good. Lots of soldiers trained at Camp Hale...but it was also a place to contain young men who had not been able to cut it in the Army...until their fate could be deterimined....Duane was there over 2 months before they finally issued his dishonorable discharge.

Some of those so called prisoner were actually good boys & one of them knew one of the guys who was there for training....they were connected by family.

The so called prisoners got priviledges for doing things for the trainees & the officers there...like earning brownie points.

Duane actually told me about this but I didn't get it until I found the person who befriended him - lets put it this way - friend of the family. All of Duane's family had been accomplished soldiers and officers and he was ashamed of himself...but he really wanted to make good.

Duane actually told me the story but until recently when young people started to write stories about their relatives who served at Camp Hale & other places none of this struck me. I was never interested in WAR stories & basically remembered some of the stories but NO reason to try to fit Duane Weber into any of this.

One man connected to the Weber family reported for duty at Camp Hale in April of 1943 - the same time Duane was sent there.................NOW do you get it. I knew the story about this man before I read it. I had told others about Duane talking about these things - but when I started all of this - much of this had never made it to the computer world. Now young people are telling the stories of their relatives who have died in the last few yrs...and THERE he was the man DUANE had told me about.

ALL of the stories - stories I told way back in this thread - but they seemed to be stories about heros...but this one was connected to Weber's family, but I didn't know it.

The good boys who just didn't fit - were given special privelidges & Duane was one of those - he charmed himself in to the lives of others.

These men were not AIR BORNE as some of them had wanted to be pilots, but did not have the correct vision like Duane - he was far sighted...so he could never have been a pilot. Duane's friend shipped out in May of 1944 to make his first combat jump - he was a non-com. 377 will remember my enquiring about this man because Duane had told me his story while we were in CO, about knowing this guy & that the man was wounded & spent a long time recovering....Devils in Baggy Pants.

Part of his recovery required a lot of time SWIMMING & I wonder now if they ever reconnected after 1943 . Duane had NO problem even swimming in the Atlantic - he was a strong swimmer.

Duane was part of a group who trained for a special mission in 1962 to 1964 - when he was John (Johnnie) C. Collins & the only ones who could prove it are the ex-wife, Tommy Gunn, Edward Huran and a man whose name I would will not mention, because he is still alive.

I think there are still 2 people who are still alive - & I hope now they know that I finally figured it out....but, would sure like to know why they couldn't tell me - but maybe that is obvious.

377 remember that badge I was looking for in my memory - remember Duane had a whole collection of jump badges from the war - that I sold. Those badges would have put Duane at Hale, Colorado.

BUT, I found something else that puts Duane there - and you can be assured that must be in WEBER's Army file & one the FBI nor the government wants anyone to see.

There is a picture of a man with this other guy - I had seen another picture that was similar many yrs ago. One Duane's sister sent to him & among those things that were lost - a picture of his friend & friend of the family.

Duane's brother talked about a friend of the family seeing Duane (in a letter) during this time frame at Ft Benning area - and wrote a story about Duane "the Clown taking the General's Car for a ride"....that was at Camp Siebert.

This man was only 2 yrs older than Duane - but connected as a friend to the family....

Only 377 will be able to follow me on this - he will know now I know & I can put Duane in CO connected to jumpers & knowledge of survival skills in the mountains.

Duane spoke of this guy but didn't tell me his name that I can remember, but about what he had done with his life.

Duane could still wear a uniform at the prison camp - because his army hearing had not come up yet....& in this picture you will NOTE a man who I believe PICTURE redconitions will prove is Duane Weber in association with jumpers & in a uniform Duane was exposed to jumper at Camp Siebert and at Camp Hale - he did a lot of HARD manual work, but Duane had NOT been officially put out of the Army at that time.

The picture I saw was some men milling around on the ground - but this picture - well it is 3 guys & you be the judge. The poor guy on the left didn't even know how to put his cap on &I am sure some one loned him the cap & jacket for the picture...I have pictures of Duane Weber close to this time.

That same guy I believe to be Weber shows up in pictures taken in the Mountains near Tahoe near Placerville and in a group who picked apple in WA and OR.

Duane had indicated he knew the guys in the Placerville pic and in the Pickers and I have seen this picture before and Duane making the same claim as knowing these guys Alll of the pictures where taken in the same time span - 1943 to 1945. ODD...but I think Duane's background can now be proven.

Since I had no pictures of Duane as a young man - the only man I knew was the older man I married...All of the young photos were acquired after he died.

They put him with people who were jumpers in all three photo - but what I have to do is prove they are Duane L. Weber - he was running under a lot of names....he was always running right into trouble....but those ARMY records would do that for me...

So would his entire criminal record.
Something the FBI has missed....maybe leaving his Jefferson pic out was deliberate.

There was a man who has tried to tell me the story - but he was unable to do so....as it would complicate his life.

There was a man who made pictures available that coincided with the Forestry work, picking apples and the Colorado stuff....I hope he is still alive & knows that I finally figured it out.

Duane spent over 2 months in that place - called Camp Hale, but as a prisoner before he was offically released from the ARMY in 1943 on an undesirable discharge. They were NOT treated like prisoners - but allowed to commingle with others at the camps.

IT was war time and they didn't keep them out of the general population.
They utilized them & 1943 was the beginning of efforts to rehab these young men.

Individuals who did NOT fit the molded requirements such as vision & other health conditions - the US thought did NOT make a good Soldier....but the did.

In 1964 approx another group trained at Hale & they recuited some who had trained there in 1940's...but the mission was different this time...they needed individuals who would never be missed & who needed the money - one word for it was Fortune Hunters...they also knew they might not survive - they would just come up missing, like the father of the man whose daughter I befriended only to have a cheap shot taken for the information I had coveted for yrs. Ex-cons were perfect for this mission.

I wasn't supposed to put all of this together. Old women, technology, a telephone, persistence and lots of REAL friends over the yrs...

Now the secrets are being revealed. It is no secret NOW. Duane Weber was part of the 1943/44 group in Colo and then again in 1964 with Inter Mountain Communication. Why the hell do some of you think the files are still closed.

WELL, due to technology & so many individuals willing to keep on searching for the truths - the secrets are No longer a secret & the longer the government keeps secrets the worse they look to others.

The FBI & the CIA & the Government know Duane Weber (or whatever name he was using) was there in 1943/44 & he was there in 1963/64. Families of ligitimate soldiers & warriors tell the stories about their family members & they post pictures they had NO idea after 71 yrs would open up a can of worms.

Duane was part of the group who trained for a special mission in 1962 to 1964 - when he was John (Johnnie) C. Collins....and the only ones who could prove it was the ex-wife, Tommy Gunn, Edward Huran and a man whose name I would will not mention, because he is still alive.

I think there are still 2 people who are still alive - and I hope now they know that I finally figured it out....but, would sure like to know why they couldn't tell me - but maybe that is Obvious....they thought I would run my mouth.

A picture that put Weber someplace he was NOT supposed to be in 1943/44.


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INTERMOUNTAIN COMMUNICATIONS
1962 to 1968 - GOT it...You do not even give me time to proof my postings!

I only know one that might still be alive out of the names I can connect to it...it was a covert group.
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