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'People are often unreasonable and self-centered. Forgive them anyway. If you are kind, people may accuse you of ulterior motives. Be kind anyway. If you are honest, people may cheat you. Be honest anyway. If you find happiness, people may be jealous. Be happy anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway. Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough. Give your best anyway.'



If she really means that, she could be one of the smartest people on Earth. :)
In any case, it's a good tenet to live by. Better than most I've heard.



Well, it is something to remember!
I am printing it out and putting it on my refrigerator!

I think that sums up some of the individuals in this thread. As for B.S. or Galen They represent the epitomy of scorn in my mind and my heart.
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The quote is from Mother Teresa.

I don't consider Bruce Smith a 'bad' person or anything. Just a bit misguided sometimes. Galen Cook, on the other hand, surprised the hell out of both me and Skipp Porteous for his false claims and lies. I have to say I never saw that one coming. He's a lawyer for crying out loud, and up until that point even though I never believed Gossett was the hijacker, I never thought Cook would just start making shit up and posting it publicly.

Skipp Porteous told me he was disappointed in Cook, and never expected that behavior from him, either. In our book, Cook should do one of two things. Either admit he was lying and offer up a sincere apology (with a promise not to repeat)...

OR PRODUCE AT LEAST ONE OF THE EMAILS HE CLAIMED TO HAVE RECEIVED FROM PORTEOUS.


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Update on Tina in Japan


The reporter who conducted the interview with Tina for the Eugene Weekly has clammed-up. He is no longer responsive to my emails or phone calls.

Perhaps I just wasn't nice enough...

...or maybe his tootsies are warm enough already.

Further, I am uncertain how to proceed with Ms. Mucklow, herself.

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"...In our book, Cook should do one of two things. Either admit he was lying and offer up a sincere apology (with a promise not to repeat)...




In my book, Sir Robert, you and Mr. P should be more concerned about what Tina says about Japan, not what Galen says about you and Skippy.

You had a couple of weeks to craft a commentary replete with detail, or 'fess up. Wassup?

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Are you ever nice?

Did it ever occur to you that your reputation precedes you?

The people you interview want nothing to do with you. Seems as though I have no problem communicating with key individuals regarding Duane or Cooper or should I just say Cooper.

You will never learn - and that is your downfall.

When you are deceptive and invasive you do not get the interviews or the responses you want.

You cut YOURSELF off - no one did that but you and yourself.
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BruceSmith

Update on Tina in Japan


The reporter who conducted the interview with Tina for the Eugene Weekly has clammed-up. He is no longer responsive to my emails or phone calls.

Perhaps I just wasn't nice enough...

...or maybe his tootsies are warm enough already.

Further, I am uncertain how to proceed with Ms. Mucklow, herself.



You seem to alienate everyone you interview. Maybe it's time to change your interview technique.

As far as your other question, AB of Seattle re-opened the investigation into Kenny Christiansen in May of this year. Any questions about him will be answered when that investigation is complete, and not before. The biggest reason is because we plan to issue a report on that investigation and we have to ensure each point in it is ACCURATE. Why don't you stop coming to me and do your own research on Mucklow and NWA post 11/24/1971? Why the hell should I provide you with answers? Figure it out.

I did. Why can't you? :)
Your message header, 'Update on Tina' is inaccurate. The first time you accosted her at her door in Springfield, she told you to leave. Now the reporter who did the story on her has probably seen your history. Nice of your big buddy Galen Cook to have surreptitious photos snapped of her and posted both on articles and on the internet.

You realize of course, that theoretically this could endanger her life...if anyone trying to keep a secret for more than forty years, or one of their family members, decides to bully the best witness. Both you and Cook have no regard for the feelings of witnesses. Cook's a fucking liar to the Big Time. You can tell him that for me. If he whines about that, man up and ask him to see just ONE email from Skipp Porteous where Porteous says any of those shit things Cook claims. (I kept all the screenshots of Cook's posts on that, BTW)

You, on the other hand, think everyone you accost for an interview owes you something. I told you two years ago you would get a rep, and now you have. Congrats. You are now totally useless as a Cooper investigator, at least with interviewing witnesses. You brought this on yourself by your own actions.

You two deserve each other. That is for sure.


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Well, what goes around comes around.
I guess Bruce is bored at that other place - but, he will never figure out that certain parties like himself will never get the inside news.

You are being very closed mouth about things, but I hope you are finding the results needed.

I have share things with "others" outside of this thread and Bruce cannot figure out what is going on.
His own sources have shut down and the word is out.

I want to tell people what is going on, but I can't. I know the information I provided is being worked on. The connections have been in place for a long time - but it took keys to open them up.

Let all of the "others" try to figure this out - they can't and they do not have the connections they have in the past claimed.

I have been put down by so called Cooper researchers, but I was going to all of the wrong sources....

Do not reply - I am sending you a PM.
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"...People may not like what I have to say but two things are guaranteed. I will always give you the truth the best I know it to be, and I will always give it to you straight on my opinions..."



Japan, Bobby?

Oh well, if you're going to be evasive and deceitful about Tina and Kenny, at least you're talking about me in the meantime.

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The reason I kick around these dates is to come up with a motive. Cooper did a lot of planning but what was his grudge?
Nov 24th 63 was when Oswald was killed - was that the motive? JFK could have prevented the assassination of Ngo, was Cooper upset about that? Was he happy Oswald shot JFK? I happen to think he planted the $5800 for a reason if he didn't then this is pointless.

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I want to tell people what is going on, but I can't. I know the information I provided is being worked on. The connections have been in place for a long time - but it took keys to open them up.



Jo cant help herself. Nothing is straightforwardly disclosed. Everything is presented as a tease with hints of future blockbuster revelations that predictably never occur.

Jo, you CAN tell people what is going on if you want to, but you obviously find the tease preferable.

You even teased the FBI, holding back certain objects such as Duane's watch. The later you complain bitterly about them holding back info from you.

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The reason I kick around these dates is to come up with a motive. Cooper did a lot of planning but what was his grudge?
Nov 24th 63 was when Oswald was killed - was that the motive? JFK could have prevented the assassination of Ngo, was Cooper upset about that? Was he happy Oswald shot JFK? I happen to think he planted the $5800 for a reason if he didn't then this is pointless.



In the case of Cooper, I think it all comes down to the simple fact that he wanted some money.

There is nothing in reality to support the claim that the money found at Tina Bar was planted.

All indications are that the money arrived at Tina Bar by natural means and it may have been going INTO the Columbia River for the first time when it hung up at the location where it was later found.

Tests on the Tina Bar money by Tom Kaye did not find any evidence of Columbia River contamination. But Tom does not consider this to be conclusive pending further testing.

But the above does not preclude the money from being exposed to other water sources, such as rain fall, prior to its arrival at Tina Bar.

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55500 posts…

have you guys come up with anything useful yet?



Nothing conclusive. Before the forum turned into an attack fest we surfaced some interesting possible suspects.

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The reason I kick around these dates is to come up with a motive. Cooper did a lot of planning but what was his grudge?
Nov 24th 63 was when Oswald was killed - was that the motive? JFK could have prevented the assassination of Ngo, was Cooper upset about that? Was he happy Oswald shot JFK? I happen to think he planted the $5800 for a reason if he didn't then this is pointless.



Never gave the dates much thought.

We tried to link it to some of the crashes at one time.

Duane was born 6/24/28
He claimed to have known Oswald & that he knew Oswald was innocent.

I did connect Duane with the man with the false hair and eyebrows in N.Orleans - Duane and 2 of his step children and his wife of the time stayed with Ferrie a couple of wks in 1969 (think I have the yr right).

Duane even showed me where the man lived. Ferrie was DEFINITELY connected to Oswald - there are pictures of the 2 of them together.

Therefore when Duane told me he knew Oswald - I thought it was just talk until the EX-WIFE VERIFIED IT and so did the step-daughter who was 14 at the time. Both of the kids with them at the time & VERIFIED the relationship with Ferrie. The Step-daughter's description was eerie - but at the time I didn't know who Ferrie was and then she re-affirmed this later shortly before she died - a supposed overdose...in 2002 if I remember correctly....

Do not hold me to dates as I no longer look them up as they have been clearly stated in the thread at other times.

The other child was only 6 or 7 at that time - told me about the mice, but he was just a child and he had some really bad memories.
Memories that haunted him for yrs.

When he contacted me - he thought I was the woman who Duane left his mother for. When I told him I was NOT that woman - he started to talk and it was a 2 hour conversation....The things he told me about his childhood - left me with a HEAVY heart. I felt so badly for this young man whose life was damaged by the actions of his mother and Duane.

I just could NOT imaging children living the way they had to live. He referred to his mother as a Jeykell & Hyde personality. He loved her because she was his mother, but he also blamed her for the life they lived. He did not say anything bad about Duane - I was surprised.

Everytime I think about the scars left on others it brings tears to my eyes....He was the one who told me about the TIE STORY....it was family Thanksgiving story.

Supposedly when Duane was released from Jefferson in 1968, Duane and his wife worked in Jefferson until they satisfied the conditions of his release.

Duane was working in the huge glass hotel where Bobby Kennedy stayed about 2 wks after Duane's release from Jefferson. Supposedly as the story was told to me Duane took that tie out of Kennedy's room....I no longer remember the name of the hotel.

His wife was also working in the area but do NOT know what she was doing....I thought it odd Duane would be working in a hotel with his criminal record. More than likely it was the wife - but I never got a clear story on this.

In a picture taken in 1970 Duane is wearing the tie and the tie tac - others have claimed it was a flaw on the old polaroid - but it is not.
If you enlarge it enough you see the glint of the gold just at the edge of the pearl as the clasp is under the lapel of the suit.

This was a picture sent to me by the ex-wife and she was in the pic with her but for confidentiality purposed I cut her out.

I have long forgotten the dates of Duane's trial and encarcerations and releases...but, I do have the files...JUST never tried to connect the dates with the crime date.

Duane claimed to have been at the Fountane Blue in Ft. Lauderdale before the Bay of Pig.
I do KNOW Duane had contact with the owners/managers as he spent some private time with them around 1983 and the men looked my way from across the room as I could tell that Duane had pointed me out.

When Duane finally returned to the bar after they spent some time in the back - he told me that would be a large BOAT coming from the South and of course it was a LARGE YACHT. The woman got off and she and Duane were OLD friends. She had an escort or boyfriend or husband with her. She and Duane talked about Vegas and the people they knew.

The last name was MEIRER. Since I was just a dumb bunny, before we left I enquire as to an address for my Christmas Card list and she provided an address in Chicago.
As I went to write the name down I mentioned the Meyer's my family knew and she let me know it was spelled Meier and not with a Y.

Duane enquired during the conversation if her husband or brother was going to have to do any time. She said he probably would.

This man was being held in Salt Lake City when Duane I were there in 1979 before going to WA. Attached is a picture of man Duane set me up to make a pic of that time. ALL efforts to find out who the man was has come up a blank....but Duane did NOT want the guy to see him. Afterwards he asked me where the negatives where - and of course they were in the fire safe as that is where I kept the negatives at that time.

Yrs. later after 1988 he again asked about the negatives...as I was redoing the album...

In 1990 there seemingly was money available and I now think the shop was a front - his confession after I understood who Dan Cooper was - made all of these little thing over the yrs seemingly to answer a lot of the questions about Duane's life.

BUT, bear in mind he was keeping a secret - I did NOT know anything about his prison records...he told me in 1988 about Jefferson because he had to do so.

He had tried to obtain a drivers license under that name - a task he actually completed in the next county over....the ID was in his old ALIAS John C. Collins....but I knew NOTHING about this until the old wallet hidden in the VAN was returned to me by the man who bought it - 2 months after Duane died.

He did have to tell me about John Collins and Jefferson at that time, but NO mention of the other prisons...just told me he got into some trouble with a couple of other men and indicated his wife was also involved....I never knew any of the DETAILS as the FBI concealed this file from me until Feb of 2013 when Shutter found it.

The FBI agent who came here and spent some time - supposedly was giving me the information...I spent a lot of money on long distance call and arranged for the file to be picked up - but my guy was turned away...I still have the communications with the prison and then later with other authorities the agent acknowledged some of this in the thread.

At that time - there WAS NO pic attached to the file and I have the emails where the woman who handled records thought very very unusual...well that was 2004/2005 and it is 2013 before I ever see the prison photo from the Jefferson file - found by our Mrsshutter on this thread.

Oh, well not need in boring you guys with this old stuff - no one cares, but me. I makes no sense to anyone but me!

All of that is someplace in this thread...I can't remember all of it much longer - I am having to let go of things in order to keep up with other more important things.

Just thought some of you needed to be reminded of the past!
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BruceSmith

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"...People may not like what I have to say but two things are guaranteed. I will always give you the truth the best I know it to be, and I will always give it to you straight on my opinions..."



Japan, Bobby?

Oh well, if you're going to be evasive and deceitful about Tina and Kenny, at least you're talking about me in the meantime.



Nobody around this office is being 'evasive' or 'deceitful'. As you know, I once made a thirty-page report (with images) on Kenny Christiansen a free download. This was provided to anyone for what...a year or so. I took it down finally because there were a few small mistakes in it, although the witness testimony was solid. It also needed to be expanded.

A preliminary version of a new report on KC, Geestman, and some new witness testimony, 53 pages in length, was made available in print form to some of Bernie Geestman's family, since he is suspected of being an accomplice in the hijacking. And at the same time, we re-opened the investigation into Christiansen and Geestman, this time with Geestman's family involved. Because of that, Gayla Prociv (head of Adventure Books) ordered that all outgoing comments, or the release of any new information on anything KC would be FROZEN until such time as a public version of the new report is ready.

That's why I won't answer your questions about Mucklow's alleged trips to Japan. But...there is a way to find the answers to your questions, because we saw that Eugene Register article too...and we started checking as well. It took me less than a day to discover the answers. Instead of coming to me for this, why don't you research this question out for yourself?

I want you to remember something, Bruce: We keep tabs on what is being said over at the alternate site on Cooper, where people like you, Georger, Robert99, etc. still post. And those posts do not generate any kind of trust or a desire to make you aware of any new information on KC before the general public is allowed the same thing. The only thing I'm not doing anymore is bringing up anything new I've seen said over at that site. I decided to stop doing that as a courtesy to Shutter.

But we do keep tabs...


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Duane even showed me where the man lived. Ferrie was DEFINITELY connected to Oswald - there are pictures of the 2 of them together.



Where are those pictures Jo? Are you talking about childhood CAP photos?

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David William Ferrie (March 28, 1918 – February 22, 1967) was an American pilot who was alleged by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison to have been involved in a conspiracy to assassinate President John F. Kennedy.[1] Garrison also alleged that Ferrie knew Lee Harvey Oswald. Ferrie denied any involvement in a conspiracy and claimed never to have met Oswald.[2] Decades later, photos emerged establishing that Ferrie had been in the same Civil Air Patrol unit as Oswald in the 1950s, but critics have argued this does not prove that either Ferrie or Oswald was involved in an assassination plot.[3]



From Wikipedia.

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Jo, I am amazed that you would accuse me, of all people, of evading questions about the flight path.

There are NO believable ground eyewitness reports about the flight path. How did they manage to see the airliner since it was ABOVE an overcast plus two or three layers of other clouds?

The co-pilot could easily see to the left side of the airliner which you could perhaps understand better if you took a look at his position with respect to the nose of the aircraft. So the co-pilot did not have to be east of Portland to see that city assuming that he could even do so through the overcast and other clouds.

Robert99



Perhaps you need to verify your information with the co-pilot. He said VANCOUVER not Portland!

I remember my conversations w/the co-pilot & he said Vancouver & not Portland - but again things are twisted to meet the agenda of others & not to solve this case.

My conversation was after 2001 as I was living in my current location & not in the location I lived with Duane. There was more than one conversation over the yr with him about this.

I specifically asked him to repeat this to me again in another conversation....and somehow others are now claiming he said Portland. You do know he has had cancer treatment & do you know what Chemo Brain is?

Not all react the same way to chemo and radiation - but remember that the co-pilot had throat cancer.

My last husband had lung cancer so his radiation was not near the brain....My brother in-law died of Throat cancer and we know how the chemo effected him - they call it Chemo brain.

I do KNOW what the co-pilot told me & it was written down at that time....I was shocked and even questioned him on this - why I contend the flight is not as it has been publicized....why?

DO YOU know how many times the co-pilot had made this route prior to the skyjacking? You better find out!

Ask him yourself how many times he had flow that route prior to the skyjacking. I know the answer, but do you? It is very very important.

Obviously YOU nor anyone ELSE has considered the co-pilots position on this - nor have you ever asked him the RIGHT questions! If you will recall where conversations about the Troutdale airport sitings! These were included in my conversations over the yrs with Himmelsbach.

Then others renounced the Troutdale stories at a later date.
JT was NOT one of those! Odd!
Himmelsbach never renounced the Troutdale sitings....but, yrs later others did as those who gave the accountings faded away.
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Note a Correction - Paperlegs was living with his wife Jane in Landon Wym - not in CO....just me doing what I do - & make a serious error that someone will try to peck away at.

Referencing Intermountain Communication 1962 to 1972.
Referencing a phone conversation with ex-wife of Duane Weber:

YOU DO KNOW the woman with During those yrs I was in touch with for several yrs? You do know she had a picture of herself with Jane (Richard Peterson - Paperlegs, wife) ?

You do know Duane went to see Paperlegs after his trip to WA & left him a little package? I didn't know until this thread that Paperlegs lived in that little town in WY (the correction).

You do know Intermountain had excons working for them? A KNOWN FACT!

You do know Duane was off the map 1962 to 1966?

You do know that other family member of Weber's extended family (thru his common law wife) were connected to Intermountain communication?:SNo you didn't because I never told this before!

Yes, I read an article - but, I had already been discussing these things LONG LONG before I ever saw an IMC article or knew what it was?

Do YOUR RESEARCH before you BASH someone like that!

When I was talking about IMC in the very beginning - I had NO IDEA what it was CALLED. I told about the places & the people & did NOT know what kind of operation it was. YOU do realize I had NO access to a computer until 2000.

You do know I found the exwife/girlfriend and we talked & she told me lots of these things - & she never mentioned the name of the group! How could I research something I didn't know the name of? She was the one who told me about 3 months here and 6 wks there - always with the same guys.

Did you simply forget that or were you instructed to ignore anything Jo found or disclosed about IMC.

Perhap it is YOU sir that needs a reality check up!

When you trace the background of John Collins & the places he lived & the people he knew as JOHN! Then you can PUBLICALLY bash me!

Weber was definitely involved with Intermountain Communications - perhaps only as a rogue con on a mission - but he was involved.

Robert99 You continually try to make me sound badly, but you are starting to do a lot of twisting of the facts!

I had NO idea what IMC was - just the stories Duane told me and the people he knew and the places he knew.

A man still lives in Leadville who was part of IMC - he was connected to Weber - I have known about him since before Duane died!....BUT, did not understand the depth of the small things my memory contained.

YOU are aware that IMC used some old jumpers from the N.W. and their buddies? You are aware that Paperlegs was also in the N.W. & how he knew a couple of the guys & why he went back there to retire.


WHY do you continue to ignore these things? NO do not answer that - I am tired of this!
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Jo, I am amazed that you would accuse me, of all people, of evading questions about the flight path.

There are NO believable ground eyewitness reports about the flight path. How did they manage to see the airliner since it was ABOVE an overcast plus two or three layers of other clouds?

The co-pilot could easily see to the left side of the airliner which you could perhaps understand better if you took a look at his position with respect to the nose of the aircraft. So the co-pilot did not have to be east of Portland to see that city assuming that he could even do so through the overcast and other clouds.

Robert99



Perhaps you need to verify your information with the co-pilot. He said VANCOUVER not Portland!

I remember my conversations w/the co-pilot & he said Vancouver & not Portland - but again things are twisted to meet the agenda of others & not to solve this case.
. . . . .

DO YOU know how many times the co-pilot had made this route prior to the skyjacking? You better find out!

Ask him yourself how many times he had flow that route prior to the skyjacking. I know the answer, but do you? It is very very important.

Jo, But for the overcast and cloud problems I mentioned earlier, the co-pilot could see Portland/Vancouver from his seat on the right side of the aircraft. You need to look at the nose configuration of the 727.

The number of times that the co-pilot had flown between Portland and Seattle is of no consequence here. But you recently claimed that the hijacked flight was his first time between those two cities. You seem to forget that he had flown that very route just a few hours earlier.

And your claim of a sighting on the east side of Portland is not supported by any actual facts.

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Robert99 You continually try to make me sound badly, but you are starting to do a lot of twisting of the facts!



Jo, You are the one twisting the facts and you have been doing that since day one of your efforts to prove that Duane was Cooper. Your worst enemy on this thread is yourself.

What are you getting out of this? Your claim that you are just trying to find out who Duane was is as hollow as Blevins claim that he is not trying to make money off Cooper.

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Robert99: I've flown from Seattle to Reno several times. Never once did any flight I was ever on (this goes back to the 70's) ever cross to the west side of the Interstate 5 freeway to get to Reno. And they didn't do it on the way down from Seattle, either. They always approach Portland from the east and don't turn west until they reach the Vancouver area. (See attached map from the FBI's website)

I also saw your post about perhaps the money ended up in the Columbia. This assumes Cooper went into the Columbia, and that would have to be done in the Portland area. Even if this were true, explain to me how at least three bundles of the cash managed to end up on the banks of the Columbia miles away from that point...all in the same spot.

As I've explained before, unless these bundles had little strings attached to each other holding them together, this scenario is highly unlikely. One thing that Tom Kaye's research on the money shows us, it is that this money did not lay out there for nine years in the cold, wet weather of the Pacific NW before it was found. Bills not 'fanned' either, as Kaye's team discovered happened when those packets are exposed to water. Rubber bands crumbly, but still in place. This money did not float down the Columbia on 11/24/71 and end up together miles away somehow. It would have turned to complete mush in eight plus years.

I believe the flight path map offered at the FBI's website is accurate. Some of the added notations showing the time the flight reached a particular point may be inaccurate. But the path itself is probably accurate. You admitted yourself that they were tracking that plane and that the radar info is good. Just because they misjudged a few time entries doesn't mean the path itself is wrong...which means Flight 305 missed Tina Bar by miles on the way down from Seattle.


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hcsvader

55500 posts…

have you guys come up with anything useful yet?



I've posted my interviews on the three dozen FBI agents I've talked with and principals of the case.

What might you be looking for?

What would you deem as useful?

Further, what drives all the back-biting here, do you think? What does it tell us about the case, if anything?

Does Jo Weber serve a purpose here? Blevins?

What say you?

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