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Welcome to the REAL future of mankind. What people forget when they discuss falling birth rates is this: They forget the sheer number of people already HERE. Even if birth rates drop, a continuation of unchecked human growth based on that huge number of people will continue until something 'breaks'. Pandemics, starvation, fighting over the dwindling resources, etc. Dr Martin Rees of Cambridge lays this out very well in his book Our Final Century. (He means THIS century)



Blevins, As ParrotheadVol has just pointed out to you, if birth rates drop below 2.0, as they already have in a number of countries, then the world's population DECREASES from that factor alone.

You don't have to reference Dr. Rees if you want to know the future of mankind. Just do a bit of reading on the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics and see if you understand what those laws mean for the future of this planet.

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All things being equal, and circumstances remaining as they are, or becoming worse...that future currently does not look promising. You're quoting physical laws. I see it more as a problem of global irresponsibility, greed, and the refusal of mankind to address certain issues on a global basis. These things should be discussed elsewhere than on this thread, of course. Then you can push your happy-happy, everything-is-going-to-be-fine scenario over there. ;)

You'll let me know of course when you determine that our current unchecked population growth will not soon lead to additional problems. Dr Rees, a very intelligent guy you simply chose to blow off, says the human race has no better than a fifty-fifty shot of making it to the year 2100 without a major extinction event. I've read his book. It makes perfect sense, and he puts the possibility of nuclear war pretty far down the list of reasons why.

My personal belief is that future generations will curse us for our greed regarding resources, and for our failure to address problems we knew perfectly well existed...


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"...My personal belief is that future generations will curse us for our greed regarding resources, and for our failure to address problems we knew perfectly well existed..."




I agree Sir Robert. The time to tell the truth is now.

Norjak, anyone?

Japan, Bobby-san?

Why is it so hard for you to tell the truth? Does your difficulty tell us anything about the fears that others have in telling the truth? Y'know, revealing the inconvenient truths of our lives?

At the fundamental level of experience there is no difference between Norjak and ZPG. It's just that Norjak helps us focus the mind more easily, to sharpen our powers of discernment and reasoning, and elicit a call to action.

What will be your call to action, Robert? Decisive truth telling or clever evasions. Show us the level of nobility that you wish we all had, the kind that will save the world.

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WHERE were you (Bruce) when Cossey was killed and can you PROVE you were there? Now I will put you on trial the way you do everyone else.



If Bruce can't prove that he didn't kill Cossey then he must have done it. Joe Weber logic.

I thought the burden of proof was on the accuser?

Bruce Smith, the killer reporter. Give an interview or DIE. Terror journalism. Tina was very lucky.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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We know the locator devices use on vehicles today came from area 51 - therefore communications was a vital part of area 51....I think the above was incidental in the development of the aircraft.



Actually Jo that is not correct. It had nothing to do with Area 51.

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The Origins of GPS Technology
It’s a technology you use every day, but it wasn’t always for civilian purposes. The United States government commissioned the development of global positioning systems more than 50 years ago, and the Department of Defense launched the satellites that are orbiting today. Commercial and private use is relatively new, yet the implications are huge. Below, read about the origins of GPS technology and how it is used by private citizens and businesses today.

The Reasons for GPS Development

In less than half a century, the United States had experienced two world wars, fought a third war on the Korean Peninsula and was engaged in a Cold War with the Soviet Union. The world was rapidly changing during the 1950s, and the United States needed the technology to adapt and to stay ahead. As international eyes turned to the skies, President Eisenhower commissioned projects designed to give the country an edge, and satellite tracking was near the top of his list.

With the help of some of the country’s brightest scientists, the United States entered the Space Age with full force, and GPS tracking was among the first accomplishments. Between 1955 and 1957, scientists had developed tracking systems capable of monitoring known and unknown satellites orbiting the Earth.

Who Invented GPS Tracking?

Roger L. Easton, of Vermont, is widely credited as the man who invented GPS tracking as a practical technique used for military purposes. As an inventor and designer, he first proposed to the Eisenhower Administration his version of a satellite tracking system in 1955 as part of the Naval Research Laboratory’s “Project Vanguard,” which competed with a similar proposal written by Wernher Von Braun for the U.S. Army. Easton later invented a tracking system called Minitrack to find his satellite’s exact location in orbit.

By the 1960s and 1970s, Easton had developed technology used for the United States Global Positioning System, based in large part on his original concepts. Like GPS systems today, Easton’s GPS used signal time and known distance to calculate specific positions on the ground. Between 1967 and 1977, four satellites were used to test his methods.

The United States recognized Easton’s extensive accomplishments with the National Medal for Technology, and in 2010, he was inducted into the National Inventors Hall of Fame at the age of 88.



from trackyourtruck.com.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Jumped at Byron DZ yesterday, Amazon's old hangout. Nice fall day, cold upstairs and blistering hot on the ground. BEAUTIFUL views of the entire SF Bay and Sacramento Delta system.

Here is my first landing from yesterday:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiiHs_OtGJA
I didn't stow my slider (you can hear it flapping) as I wanted all the drag I could get in the no wind conditions.

No swoops, just 747 style landings, straight in and full flaps at the end. GPS showed my approach speed at 30 MPH. 46 years in the sport with no injuries. I leave the dangerous stunts to the hotshot kids. They do swoops that are on the bleeding edge of disaster. It doesn't always work out. There have been several helicopter medivacs in 2014.

Opened at 13,000 ft on first jump to give max canopy hang time. I had telemetry gear and was carrying a ham radio walkie talkie as well. Fun talking to hams up to 80 miles away while cruising two miles above the Earth. Carried position reporting gear too.

See my track here: http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FAF6IM&timerange=3600&tail=3600

Zoom in for more detail, scale is on upper left. Just click your mouse on the slider and slide it up to zoom.

One of these days I am going to jump with a 1971 vintage CB walkie talkie and demonstrate that Cooper could have communicated with a ground CB station for 15-20 miles easily while aloft. The only problem is that there is ZERO evidence that he used radio comm or nav gear of any kind. But why let facts get in the way of a pleasant fantasy?

I'm not, however, going to replicate Jo's VOR detecting vibrating corset stay device or her tower triangulation transponder nav system.

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Dr Rees, a very intelligent guy you simply chose to blow off, says the human race has no better than a fifty-fifty shot of making it to the year 2100 without a major extinction event. I've read his book. It makes perfect sense, and he puts the possibility of nuclear war pretty far down the list of reasons why.



Blevins, I have no idea who Dr. Rees is but I am NOT blowing him off. If you have read his book, does he mention the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics? If not, you should get in touch with Dr. Rees and refer him to those laws.

Basically, those laws (which are among the very best proven physical laws in science) show that the planet is doomed regardless of famines, population size, nuclear wars, etc..

Those events will speed things up but the planet is still doomed regardless. The reason for the planet's eventual demise is the same reason that we can't have perpetual motion machines.

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Jumped at Byron DZ yesterday, Amazon's old hangout. Nice fall day, cold upstairs and blistering hot on the ground. BEAUTIFUL views of the entire SF Bay and Sacramento Delta system.


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I love my peeps from Byron.... I have many fond memories and many happy days there.

Then the fun stopped. GFD was gone... Deuce left..... several others also died about that time and it was just to hard to go back again... too many ghosts of friends past [:/]

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I don't know if anyone brought this up before but if those sticks of dynamite were flares, could he have signaled someone on the groud where he was coming down?
Secondly, we know the test showed that a 200 pound sled worked perfect, but this was during a storm with updrafts(?) windshear(?) could he have been pulled up into the jet thrust and to spare details have his parachute straps burned off? In this scenario, the money ,(20 pounds) could have been tied to the chute and drifted (miles?) Just wondering!

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I don't know if anyone brought this up before but if those sticks of dynamite were flares, could he have signaled someone on the groud where he was coming down? [Yes, but nobody saw any aerial launched flares except "Janet"].
Secondly, we know the test showed that a 200 pound sled worked perfect, but this was during a storm with updrafts(?) windshear(?) could he have been pulled up into the jet thrust [No] and to spare details have his parachute straps burned off? [No] In this scenario, the money ,(20 pounds) could have been tied to the chute and drifted (miles?) Just wondering! [chute drift depends on hang time which depends on suspended weight, lighter drifts farther]



I've jumped from a DC 9 jet. No chance of getting fried by exhaust. You fall below the plane's altitude too quickly. You don't even get a whiff of fumes or a warm blast. Nothing.

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I don't know if anyone brought this up before but if those sticks of dynamite were flares, could he have signaled someone on the groud where he was coming down?
Secondly, we know the test showed that a 200 pound sled worked perfect, but this was during a storm with updrafts(?) windshear(?) could he have been pulled up into the jet thrust and to spare details have his parachute straps burned off? In this scenario, the money ,(20 pounds) could have been tied to the chute and drifted (miles?) Just wondering!



377 and Amazon are the drift experts, not me. From a jump at 9,600 feet? Suppose it depends on if you pull the ripcord right away or freefall. I doubt Cooper waited long to pull.

Since Cooper requested the jet take off with the stairs already down, I have wondered whether he was planning on remaining aboard very long. We know he jumped somewhere south of Olympia, WA and if that was NOT the original plan, there was probably no one in the area for him to signal. My theory is he planned on exiting that plane about the moment they reached jump altitude and not a second later...for reasons known only to himself. If he had anyone on the ground to give him a ride home, the most likely scenario is that he just used the first pay phone he found, once he made it out of the woods. There were plenty of them around back in 1971, not like today.

Co-pilot Bill Rataczak turns out to be a bit of a ruthless sort. In this article from 1994 in the San Francisco Examiner, he says his vote was to fly out over the Pacific and let Cooper jump there. :o

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"I wanted to get him out over the ocean, so if he jumped, he would drown,'' Rataczak said. "He was threatening our lives and my objective was to kill him, pure and simple..."




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Bruce Smith, the killer reporter. Give an interview or DIE. Terror journalism. Tina was very lucky.

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Oh, great! Now, he's going to put that on his business cards!;)

He's the main reason I put a shutdown on anything new regarding the on-again investigation into Christiansen. If I started dropping names and locations of the new witnesses, he would be at their doors in a heartbeat. It's a tricky situation already working with these family members, as you can imagine...and some of them have told me they lurk here and read EVERY post. They expect me to continue keeping their confidentiality while they mull, discuss, whatever, the information provided to them. Some of them want old Bernie to drive down from Port Angeles and provide a few answers to the information in the 53-page report I gave them. I don't know if they have done this yet, or if Bernie has even seen the report to date. I'm trying to have a little patience with them and let them work it out on their own. If the allegations are true, this will eventually come out. If not, same thing. But I figure it's better to know the truth than to NOT know.

From a newly-interviewed family member who was actually at the Jones' place on November 24, 1971 when Bernie Geestman failed to show up for dinner and was gone for a week with Christiansen:

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'We'd rather wait until he (Bernie) is gone (passed away) before saying anything...'



Fine. My next question would be: What is there to say after he's gone that you cannot say now? And why would you even suggest such a thing in the first place?

Working with this Family Affair sort of thing is tricky, and you have to be delicate about it. Bruce Smith would show up and try to steamroll them at their front doors. Then they would refuse to talk to anyone. This was the case when he interviewed the Dormuth family out in Shelton, WA. Mr Dormuth, a retired FBI agent, is married to the sister of witness Tina Mucklow.

At the time Bruce interviewed them, I was preparing a large package of photographic evidence, a copy of Blast, and a copy of the KC report for delivery to them. The cover letter I wrote for this package requested that sometime...not necessarily now...but anytime in the future, that perhaps they could convince Mucklow to examine the evidence and give her opinion.

Then...Bruce's article on his interview came out. Let's just say it wasn't very nice. Then...family members of the Dormuths' SAW the article. Now they won't speak to anyone. I sent the package anyway, but they probably didn't even look at it. After that, I decided not to make anything public on the internet about any further investigation we may be doing on Christiansen. Now Bruce hates it that I won't answer his questions on Mucklow/Japan or do his research for him on that. Hell...in the beginning I considered asking him if he would want to work on some of these Kenny-related things together. Reason was because he lives a thirty-minute drive from my place.

But...he aligned himself with the wrong people, and believed things some of these folks told him without asking for proof. Such as Galen Cook's outright LIES regarding communications with Skipp Porteous, and quoting Porteous on things he never said about me. So...now Porteous won't talk to Bruce anymore, or Galen Cook either. There was even a time when I offered to help Bruce set up his book for the Kindle, and possibly in paperback...FOR NOTHING. He rejected that in favor of handing out the Word doc to anyone who would say yes. Problem with that is you are simply preaching to the choir, and not everyone these days has MS Office. Plus, handing out a Word doc on a manuscript is always a risk because it can be changed, altered, posted elsewhere. Publishers consider authors who do that as amateurs. (You should at least make it a PDF, which is universal, can be read by anyone, simpler to navigate, and is difficult to alter easily)

Delicacy is a key word when trying to interview people in a forty-year-old case that History Channel once named 'The Sixth Biggest Unsolved Crime of the 20th Century'. This is bound to happen when you go about investigating a case with possibly embarrassed or reluctant witnesses. It's the old Wizard of Oz routine, which Bruce does not yet understand:

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'These things must be handled delicately...'

Wicked Witch of the West



Bruce: Just to show you I'm not ALL bad, if you wish you can send me the latest version of your book via email. I removed the blocking to both my email and PM's here. I will use Adobe Acrobat to convert it to a slick little PDF for you and send it back. I already have this book, but my version is a couple of years old. If you have modified it in the meantime...


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Find me MORE on this man. Where was he in 1962 - 1968 and what was he doing at that time...

Remember the man Duane told me about & what he told me. The guy worked on something to do with tracking & signals & towers. Duane said the man invented something while in the military & continued to work on it after he left the military...Someone else who had worked on the project or program - later TOOK credit for the invention....(they stole his invention) this guy never saw a dime nor was he acknowledged.

Duane mentioned something about BACKERS out of Vegas if I am remembering correctly.

I have tried to explain this before.

I do NOT know how or when Duane knew this man other than Duane did mention the man was in the service - I did understand it was something the man conceived and worked on himself & continued to work on...it. The technology was about communications and tracking devices and he mention the plane guidance system and COMMUNICATIONS - microwave and towers.

Duane mentioned others took credit for this man's invention & the man never saw a dime. From the jest of the conversation I assumed this man was the same man who Duane told me about earlier. He had taken me to One of the Dams - and told me about a man who used to work there and that he lost his job, but got it back in a few weeks.

THEN in 2010 I am told a story that paralled the story Duane told me. (Note I DID NOT know the STORY about the man on the TOWER being questioned regarding Cooper or that such a man was investigated until 2010).

The individual who told me about this man had NO KNOWLEDGE of th story Duane had told me. The individual told me there was a small article about it in the paper right after the crime & the man was investigated as having possibly been involved. He was cleared.

The man was employed in one of the Dam Towers...and there was a qlich about the time of the skyjacking. He was investigated and relieved of his position & then later rehired. I was not told the man's name and I do not know if the other party knew the name.

Duane's words "I used to know a man who worked the tower and lost his job, but got it back later". My deduction: The man Duane told me about & the man I was told about in 2010 then therefore had to be the same person.

ANY of you able to get into those FBI files can get that name - AGENT CARR never LOOKED!...BUT, I didn't know about the man being questioned & relieved of his job being connected to Cooper.

I had discussed this man and told the story - but, the story Duane told me came back to me in 2010 from the words of a person who worked & lived in the area and associated with WA at the time of the crime.

There was also a short article at one time about it immediately after the skyjacking.

Duane did mentioned locator systems & specifically told me this....the man never received a dime...because others (I assumed military) had backers and developed the system for private use.

The DATES jive...you tell me things thinking they will make me just go away, but I have told the story before -but the things you mention only verify the things Duane told me - things not yet written about or discussed in 1979 by the general public.
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Who Invented GPS Tracking?

Roger L. Easton, of Vermont, is widely credited as the man who invented GPS tracking as a practical technique used for military purposes.

By the 1960s and 1970s, Easton had developed technology used for the United States Global Positioning System, based in large part on his original concepts. Like GPS systems today, Easton’s GPS used signal time and known distance to calculate specific positions on the ground. Between 1967 and 1977, four satellites were used to test his methods.


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THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT YOU ARE DISCLOSING - NOW GO DEEPER! THINK ABOUT THIS AND ALL OF THE THINGS DUANE TOLD ME AND SHOWED ME! DO NOT FORGET INTERMOUNTAIN COMMUNICATIONS - 1962 TO 1972. THEY UTILIZED MUCH OF WHAT WAS KNOWN....WHY WHAT THAT DID WAS SECRET.
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Who Invented GPS Tracking?

Roger L. Easton, of Vermont, is widely credited as the man who invented GPS tracking as a practical technique used for military purposes.

By the 1960s and 1970s, Easton had developed technology used for the United States Global Positioning System, based in large part on his original concepts. Like GPS systems today, Easton’s GPS used signal time and known distance to calculate specific positions on the ground. Between 1967 and 1977, four satellites were used to test his methods.


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THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT YOU ARE DISCLOSING - NOW GO DEEPER! THINK ABOUT THIS AND ALL OF THE THINGS DUANE TOLD ME AND SHOWED ME! DO NOT FORGET INTERMOUNTAIN COMMUNICATIONS - 1962 TO 1972. THEY UTILIZED MUCH OF WHAT WAS KNOWN....WHY WHAT THAT DID WAS SECRET.



JO, PAY ATTENTION FOR A MINUTE!!!!!

SINCE YOU COPIED THE INFORMATION ABOUT INTERMOUNTAIN COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CIA'S WEB PAGE AND THEN CLAIMED THAT DUANE WAS INVOLVED WITH IT, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS SECRET. CIA=SECRET!

BUT IN REALITY, DUANE DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CIA OR ANY OF THE OTHER GROUPS THAT YOU HAVE CLAIMED.

AND DUANE WAS SURE AS HELL NOT DB COOPER!

GET A LIFE!

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'Find me MORE on this man. Where was he in 1962 - 1968 and what was he doing at that time...'



If you are referring to Duane, this is an impossible task for the general public, or pretty much anyone at Dropzone. The only people who would know Duane's movements and actions at that time are the people who were either with him in a relationship, his known friends, relatives, and associates, or possibly his children if he has any.

Have you tried US Search (Not USA Search...they are a ripoff) with a Comprehensive Report? Couldn't hurt.

As far as this name 'John C Collins' that won't help much. I once went to page ten with Google on that using Exact Search. You wouldn't believe how many people have that name. They run the gamut from a lawyer, a doctor, and other folks...all the way to a manager of a Domino's who was killed in a robbery.

As far as Intermoutain Com, the only thing I know about them is they are an Idaho-based com company dealing in Motorola gear and opened in 1971.


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JO, PAY ATTENTION FOR A MINUTE!!!!!

SINCE YOU COPIED THE INFORMATION ABOUT INTERMOUNTAIN COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CIA'S WEB PAGE AND THEN CLAIMED THAT DUANE WAS INVOLVED WITH IT, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS SECRET. CIA=SECRET!

BUT IN REALITY, DUANE DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CIA OR ANY OF THE OTHER GROUPS THAT YOU HAVE CLAIMED.

AND DUANE WAS SURE AS HELL NOT DB COOPER!

GET A LIFE!

ROBERT99



WELL ROBT99 - PERHAPS YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE & STOP MAKING THINGS UP.

I was talking about Intermountain Communications before I knew the name of it. Think about that - I was telling the things Duane told me, but did NOT know they had to do with Intermountain Communication....

YOU do realize Duane actually took me to these places & told me about them - but, I didn't know it was called Intermountain Communications.


You do know I met INDIVIDUALS connected to IMC - but didn't know that was their connection to Weber.

You do know I told about the activities near Canon City - BEFORE I knew it was the early camp for IMC? You are aware Duane made a detour there on one of our trips? You do KNOW that was WHAT caused me to investigate that OTHER place in Canon.


You DO know I was talking about other places they had training & emcampments BEFORE I knew these other location were connected to IMC?

You do know I did not know what "IN PLANE SITE" MEANT to Duane - I thought it was just a saying - not until I learned part of his history?

YOU DO KNOW the woman with him during those yrs I was in touch with for several yrs? You do know she had a picture of herself with Jane (Richard Peterson - Paperlegs, wife) ?

You do know Duane went to see Paperlegs after his trip to WA & left him a little package? I didn't know until this thread that Paperlegs lived in that little town in CO.

You do know that Intermountain had excons working for them? A KNOWN FACT!

You do know Duane was off the map 1962 to 1966? You do know Duane DID know Paperlegs and his wife?

You do know that other family member of Weber's extended family (thru his common law wife) were connected to Intermountain communication?:SNo you didn't because I never told this before!

Yes, I read an article - but, I had already been discussing these things LONG LONG before I ever saw an IMC article or knew what it was?

Do YOUR RESEARCH before you BASH someone like that!

When I was talking about IMC in the very beginning - I had NO IDEA what it was CALLED. I told about the places & the people & did NOT know what kind of operation it was. YOU do realize I had NO access to a computer until 2000.

You do know I found the exwife/girlfriend and we talked & she told me lots of these things - & she never mentioned the name of the group! How could I research something I didn't know the name of? She was the one who told me about 3 months here and 6 wks there - always with the same guys.

Did you simply forget that or were you instructed to ignore anything Jo found or disclosed about IMC.

Perhap it is YOU sir that needs a reality check up!

When you trace the background of John Collins & the places he lived & the people he knew as JOHN! Then you can PUBLICALLY bash me!

YOUR adamation makes one wonder if you are only here to bash or bury the truths Jo found! GO back to the inception of this thread - GO back to my communciations with Ralph Himmelsbach (1996) - I talked about these things - but, with no name for this group or it's involvement in anything, but Weber was definitely involved with Intermountain Communications - perhaps only as a rogue con on a mission - but he was involved.

I do not mind being corrected about something or learning about something I did not grasp or understand - but you are BLATANTLY calling me a LIAR,but the written word & recorded conversations dispute your words.

Yes, I saw the article you are referring to - but, I was talking about these thing LONG LONG before that - I was telling these thing yrs before I ever used a computer...and I had NO idea what IMC was - just the stories about the people - that is what I knew & what these people did & then I learn that ALL he told me did really exist.

A man still lives in Leadville who was part of that - he was connected to Weber - I have known about him since before Duane died!....BUT, did not understand the depth of the small things my memory contained.

YOU are aware that IMC used some old jumpers from the N.W. and their buddies? You are aware that Paperlegs was also in the N.W. & how he knew a couple of the guys & why he went back there to retire.

ROBERT I assure you this IS not a part of the story you even WANT to attempt to tear down! YOU better go WAY back and READ my postings for the last 14 yrs.
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Jo says in part:

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'Find me MORE on this man. Where was he in 1962 - 1968 and what was he doing at that time...'



If you are referring to Duane, this is an impossible task for the general public, or pretty much anyone at Dropzone. The only people who would know Duane's movements & actions at that time are the people who were either with him in a relationship, his known friends, relatives, and associates, or possibly his children if he has any.



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Surely Robt YOU are aware I did do my research & most of what I know about those yrs 1962 to 1972 does come from family members & individuals Duane knew &/or individuals I ACTUALLY met.

Virtually nothing is know about Duane from 1962 until 1966 & I am the only person who even attempted to talk to the individuals known to him.

The FBI sure as hell didn't do their job - they contacted the ex & scared her. She had a little FIRE before they showed up for a visit

The daughter was the one who told me what really happened before the FBI came to their home....she burned the evidence.

1962 to 1972 - Comes from Duane himself & from family members who were living when I first contacted them - all by PHONE & I have the DAMN PHONE BILLS to prove it!

The FBI CHOSE to ignore me. Why I don't know - but, I know what the ex-wife told me & the kids told me.

The ex-wife knew Duane was Cooper & so did her daughter!
The youngest son had some memories, but he was just a child...his mother was not exactly a functional parent during those last 3 yrs after Duane was released from Canon in 1968.

I wish I could have known them & thankful someone was there with a safety net....only one fell through the cracks....she died 2 yrs before her mother. Their childhood was NOT easy - never spending a school term in one school - always drifting and never knowing when they would be on the move again.

The woman in Duane's life from 1962 to 1966 was NO angel. She loved her children, but she had a life style not conductive to being a good parent....she sorely regretted this - and tried to make things right with her life & with her children. She did a pretty good job, but as it is with children it is sometime difficult to move away from the hurts of the past.
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This is and old post made by TBrown:

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If I'm not mistaken, Jo Weber's husband, who died of cancer, showed her a place in Washington state where the FBI now believes Cooper would've landed - dead or alive. It turns out they were looking in the wrong place for many years because the original investigation had no pilots among the FBI team, so there were some basic misunderstandings about the course of the plane through the air, compared with what the "whuffo" agents estimated. And the place Weber's husband pointed out to her was NOT the area that the FBI suspected at the time. It WAS however very very close to the location where the young boy discovered some of the cash from the hijacking, which has been traced beyond any shadow of a doubt by the serial numbers on the bills. Trouble is, he showed this place to his wife a year or two before the kid found the money.




Odd I had never seen this post and a few others - done before I started to even post here. Just thought it was interesting.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 11:29 AM

I do not know the specifics of the acquisition but my former business partner's son has a 20 dollar bill with the serial # of one of the missing stolen 20s.
I understand that the Govt has a $ 1000 offer for it or any other missing bills but it's my understanding that he already has a private offer in excess of $ 22,000.

I'm sure most of you are too young or just don't care but once this becomes a news event I think it'll be the biggest news of the history of bank robbery.

JMHO



Is this real - who are these people and is the FBI aware of this.

This man is talking about his son - who is his son. I was unaware of this other than the guy who bought one of the pieces at the auction and was trying to sell it....
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This is and old post made by TBrown:

***If I'm not mistaken, Jo Weber's husband, who died of cancer, showed her a place in Washington state where the FBI now believes Cooper would've landed - dead or alive. It turns out they were looking in the wrong place for many years because the original investigation had no pilots among the FBI team, so there were some basic misunderstandings about the course of the plane through the air, compared with what the "whuffo" agents estimated. And the place Weber's husband pointed out to her was NOT the area that the FBI suspected at the time. It WAS however very very close to the location where the young boy discovered some of the cash from the hijacking, which has been traced beyond any shadow of a doubt by the serial numbers on the bills. Trouble is, he showed this place to his wife a year or two before the kid found the money.




Odd I had never seen this post and a few others - done before I started to even post here. Just thought it was interesting.

Jo, The FBI got the information from the Seattle Air Traffic Control people about the airliner's flight path between Seattle, Portland, and points south immediately after the hijacking. Less than a week after the hijacking, the FBI had complete access to all relevant records and the flight path was precisely known.

To claim that the FBI didn't have access to that information in 1971 (and today also) is nonsense.

Robert99

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***This is and old post made by TBrown:

***If I'm not mistaken, Jo Weber's husband, who died of cancer, showed her a place in Washington state where the FBI now believes Cooper would've landed - dead or alive. It turns out they were looking in the wrong place for many years because the original investigation had no pilots among the FBI team, so there were some basic misunderstandings about the course of the plane through the air, compared with what the "whuffo" agents estimated. And the place Weber's husband pointed out to her was NOT the area that the FBI suspected at the time. It WAS however very very close to the location where the young boy discovered some of the cash from the hijacking, which has been traced beyond any shadow of a doubt by the serial numbers on the bills. Trouble is, he showed this place to his wife a year or two before the kid found the money.




Odd I had never seen this post and a few others - done before I started to even post here. Just thought it was interesting.

Jo, The FBI got the information from the Seattle Air Traffic Control people about the airliner's flight path between Seattle, Portland, and points south immediately after the hijacking. Less than a week after the hijacking, the FBI had complete access to all relevant records and the flight path was precisely known.

To claim that the FBI didn't have access to that information in 1971 (and today also) is nonsense.

Robert99


WHY! Robert do YOU attack every post I make...I was only posting something I do not remember reading made on the DZ..in fact I believe it was made before I ever posted on the DZ and I do NOT know the source of the infomation used.

I simple stated that I thought the posting was interesting - but, I did NOT state it was accurate or it reflected what I had told other.

YOU 4 some REASON need to attack viciously every post I make regardless - nor do you check out the source or even judge by the dates or the source....you just attack.

So why don't you do this - ignore any and all posts I make unless they are sent to you or replied to a post you made! Agreed!....Would make like much simpler - I do don't need your agitating demeaning posts about every word I say & in this case second hand information stated in the DZ.

Something that was NOT even a quote of my words.

It was just an interesting post & observation.

Some of the information was obviously wrong, so take it from there. Duane died of a heritary form of kidney disease - not cancer.

Note he does not explain how I thought the money got there....it was just one of the spots Duane took me and "ordered" me to stay in the car.

It was the location of one of the several stops we made in 1979. None of the stops indicated Weber jumped there - just one of the many spots he made along the way & these specific locations LATER becoming major factors in the location of the money.

A simple deductions - if you actually read my story and actually istened to the things I have said.
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