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Seems like this thread gets blamed for what is going on in the other place!
One lashes out every chance he has about someone who does not even post there....malicious things that are demeaning and slanderous.

If we did that in this thread we would be either on vacation or exiled.

Now Georger is happy - he was able to get everyone to agree the flight was West over Portland. Based on the money find?

Absurd in my opinion because of what the Co-pilot said and even Sluggo put the flight East of their claims. So now they are dissing Sluggo and the co-pilot.

I believe these guys continue to spew myths just so they have something to talk about. It is a know fact in the ORCHARDS area - they heard the flight go over - and it was the flight and not a chase plane...


;)
There was a bar in Orchards and those guys will tell you the plane passed very near them....Their first thought was the jump strip just South East of their location....guess who it belonged to? None other than the subject of Bruce's last conversations.

AT the time they were not aware of the skyjacking - so it was all in after thought and it was THANKGIVING eve & some of them were supposed to be elseswhere that night. That bar was conveniently between to jump fields...both of which belonged to one person....

A private plane took off during that time from the Fauger airstrip - supposedly some businesses men.[:/]

Strange how some Cooper seekers forget about these little thing that were actually investigated by the FBI as a result of the skyjacking..

Too much of the real history and knowledge of that night has been swallowed up by geeks trying to push the envelope a little too far to discredit those on the plane and on the ground...and what was reported to the media immediately afterward.

Just because the autorities did not find the chute, the money or the bag or Cooper - does not mean he didn't land near the pathway which now a group of geeks have distorted to make it fit the money find in 1980.

:|
The FBI and the government did NOT send all of those searchers to the West - they sent them to the most logical place and that was based on data they had and witness accounts and the crew....and the radar.

WHY has it be so important for a group of GEEKS to displace the probable landing site? Ask yourselves that question and then look at the probable answers....!

Not difficult to figure out at all.
Even Sluggo did not put the plane as far to the West as these guys have done. They did it just to prove they could alter facts and history...all based on the money find!

Duhh - more than one person knows how that money got to Tina's Bar in the fall of 1979 and to be found in 1980 only 5 months later....20 wks later.

:)For some reason the FBI glossed over the most likely suspect ever presented and they will never live that one down. Because of media pressure they did revisit it in 2007 when they did the DNA testing on material they did NOT collect until 2003 when most dna from the suspect had been destroyed or contaminated.

:(If the FBI did indeed have the fingerprints of Duane L. Weber, why and how could they have stated he was never a resident of Jefferson in 1966.

Duane was incarcerated as John Collins and released as John Collins the Weber was only added as he was being release or shortly afterwards.

Note the FBI went looking for Weber AFTER he had spent his parole time in the Jefferson area...Weber thought he was clear and free until he moved to Co and the FBI came looking for him again...this time he ran with 4 kids in-toe and their mother.

For some reason the FBI did NOT continue to persue Weber? WHY?

ORDERS maybe.

Duane was selling insurance in AL when Hurricane Camille came along and they fled to Atlanta...

THE FBI was NO LONGER looking for Weber or John Collins - WHY?

He was already a career criminal per what other have claimed - so WHY did the FEDs back off and just let him go?

Forgotten about until 1996 when his next wife reported what he had told her before he died in 1995....only after she accidently found out who Dan Cooper was.

The FBI ruled him out 2 yrs later based on PRINTS alone in 1998. ONLY because of the persistence of his widow did they even request DNA in 2003 and then did NOT even look at it until 2007.

THERE is something VERY wrong with this entire senario.
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Bruce,

Thanks for interviewing Ralph. I hope you can do some more. That guy is DEEPLY connected to the NW skydiving scene and knew all the players. I'll bet he has further thoughts about Norjack and Cooper. I hope you can do some followup. Glad you didn't veer into politics. Ralph is to the far right of extreme right.

Ralph also knows a ton about parachute gear and has a HUGE collection/inventory.

Ralph's comment about the rigger seal (not pin) was interesting. He thought an intact seal meant no tampering. Rigger Perry Stevens, at the request of the FBI, planted locator transmitters in McCoy s chutes. I wonder if Perry affixed his rigger seal to the closing pin after doing that?

I wonder if the FBI would have got more useful data by commissioning Ralph to do a real 727 jump as opposed to the sled tests? Maybe he quoted too high a price. Ralph is well known as a wheeler dealer, but if he likes you he will eventually give you a good deal. I speak from experience.

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Mea Gusta, mi amigo.

I will make an effort to go see RH-2 in person.

As for a real Cooper jump, FBI agent Gary Tallis told me that he was willing to do the jump on company time but J Edgar turned him down.

I find it hard to believe that Coss and Ralph jumped together lots and Hatley never heard Coss spout his stuff about Cooper not making it.

If true, that puts Cossey's announcements in an even more suspect place, which is turns make Ralph's process of reasoning questionable. Didn't Ralph see that Cossey was playing both sides? That is an inherently dangerous place to be.

Or was Cossey a real good liar, kept Ralph in the dark and Ralph never watched TV news. Hmmmm.

Regardless, this kind of deception on Cossey's part is more like the Earl Cossey I know than any other version I have heard.

Lots of odd pieces to fit together here, know what I mean.

Maybe Sail can come with me and we'll throw Petey into the mix.

BTW, anyone know how Sail is doing after his knee replacement? I haven't heard.

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The FBI ruled WEBER out 2 yrs later based on PRINTS alone in 1998. ONLY because of the persistence of his widow did they even request DNA in 2003 and then did NOT even look at it until 2007.

THERE is something VERY wrong with this entire senario.



WHAT is wrong with the statement above - think about this before you answer? Think about when Jo went public with Weber and the dates listed in the above statement.

Think about Margie Boules article that was Front Page in what yr...was it 2001?

Think about another suspect never made public who came forward of his own accord around that time....but, asking for the FBI to give him immunity.
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In 2000 Jo went public with the U.S. News and world reports - because the FBI was NOT listening.

In 2001 Jo goes to Washington with a documentary group.

WHEN did Margie Boule do her article?
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I'm positive people on this thread don't want to constantly hear about it. I tossed a bucket of water on Cook again. I don't want this crap on my forum. it's pointless.



So why are you discussing it here?
What if it was your sister or your mother - Cook was slandering?

Seems like the problems are in that other place...Cook does not post here.

Malicious postings are NOT rampant on the DZ. The problem children are in your place now - so good luck!;)

You have your hands full!

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Great conversation TODAY with an individual about Cooper!

We have been off topic here- but, it kept one of the guys out of your hair for awhile.

Jo, it's constantly brought up by you, or Bobby. I rarely post here. If it was my mother, or sister, that's a different question all together. there is no problem. the problem has been addressed. Cook hardly posts on my forum. when he does he spouts off things he shouldn't be saying. I address it, and we move on. call your lawyer and have him call me. the legal action is ridiculous that appears around here. I told you in an email that I removed his last two posts along with a warning. I'm not removing anything further, nor am I going to worry about it any longer. between you, Blevins, and Cook. you guys need to get together and come to some sort of cease fire. you guys involve everyone in this. that's why I said people don't want to hear about it. you guys toss gas onto the fire constantly making it everyone's problem posting it here. it has nothing to do with this forum, and shouldn't be the main topic of this thread. I'm sorry most of you have to sit through this never ending soap opera. my final word to Cook was in large bold letters stating "KNOCK IT OFF" perhaps you guys can learn from that message as well.


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"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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On August 1 2000 Margie contacted me for the first time.

It was a request to do an article. I was reluctant, but she was determined to win me over. She had also read what the Pensacola New Journal wrote.

"After reading them, I thought it might be helpful to write about your research. Perhaps the person your husband tried to look up in Portland in 1971 (but, evidently couldn't find) would come forward."

Therefore this verifies the fact I did tell the FBI about the man Duane talked about and they had no interest in finding - nor did they try to do so.

Margie was a very good writer and I gave her a hard time when I finally decided to do it.
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Bill Mitchell contacted Margie wanting my contact info on August 5, 2000.

Hal William the gate agent.
Hal tells her he was probably one of the few who saw Cooper without his glasses on.

He tells Margie about Cooper.
"A nasty day. As I explained to the FBI yrs ago, he was conspicuous. This was 1971 when we wore polyester and plaid and funny shoes and gaudy shirts. The boarding area had lots of businessmen dressed just like that. All except this one man, Dan Cooper, who was dressed all in black. It was unusual: black pants, shoes, black raincoat. It was like he was trying to hide, in black. But when you try to look inconspicuos, sometimes you make yourself even more conspicuous."

Later, Hal was one of the witnesses who helped the FBI create compositie drawing of Cooper. "But I never did think they were very goood. They didnt' look like him at all. Bu I was just one of many who helped put them together."


This all come from a man WHO WAS THERE IN 1971.
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In August of 2000 Tina was STILL a nun and it was not known if Tina would be ALLOW to view photos of Weber.

A man called R.J. McHatton of White Knuckels Production wanted to speak with me - but I was not going that route - I just wanted answers. Do not believe I contacted him. Perhaps a courtesy call of appreciation.

I was then contacted by a woman I have stayed in touch with all of these yrs. and spent a night with her family in 2001 and then again in 2010. She has become a good friend...her information is privileged.

My horrible accident happened during all of this....but no dates - I guess I blocked it all out.
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Nov I have been able to connect with Duane's ex wife. Wish I had been able to record all of those phone calls.
Detail I wrote after getting of the phone - details I cannot put on the thread - but I will summarize it.

In summary - Duane was Cooper and she was aware of it....but she was usually 3 sheets in the wind. So who was I to believe....in this one she is not drinking & it is the most detailed accounting she ever gave to me - it ws getting close to Thankgiving.

Evidently I made the summary after getting off of the phone - sure wish I had been able to have recorded those conversations....I did record a couple but that was later, but outside of my personal use - I can never let anyone hear them. What she said on this night in 2000 was well, I do not have the words for ...if my written accounting that evening is very detailed.
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"KNOCK IT OFF"

I knew you had time to get that horrible post deleted and I hope you did....I was not pestering you, but what if it was your mother he accused of being a xxx.

I had a birthday yesterday! ONE hell of gift I got from Galen....I cried until there were no tears left after reading that. WHAT a horrible legacy to leave my grandchildren and my children.

I have done nothing to have such a horrible thing said about me - nothing...If he was playing around like we are all know to do that is one thing and other words to use - but he did that maliciously and with intent to harm.... NOTE he was fully aware I was able to read it when he posted it.
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Eighteen-C is asking me if I should be known as BS-1, or some other moniker. Thus, I have chosen CB-1, which stands for Cousin Brucie -1. Since I doubt that anyone else named Cousin Brucie will come to the DZ, I suppose I can be known as CB. My preference is Cousin Brucie, though.

Cooper Royalty always works, too.

Anyways, I spoke with Sail today and he has had his second knee replacement. Two months on the first and one month on the second. He is progressing fairly well, as far as I can tell, and is climbing stairs, which I think is remarkable. It took my ex months to do that last winter.

So, Sail and I decided we're gonna head down to Hats after my return from NY in October. It's be our Halloween Treat!

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Bill Mitchell contacted Margie wanting my contact info on August 5, 2000.

Hal William the gate agent.
Hal tells her he was probably one of the few who saw Cooper without his glasses on.

He tells Margie about Cooper....

"A nasty day.

....As I explained to the FBI yrs ago, he was conspicuous. This was 1971 when we wore polyester and plaid and funny shoes and guaudy shirts. The boarding area had lots of businessment dressed just like that. Al except this one man, Dan Cooper, wh was dressed all in black. It was unusual: blacke pants, shoes, black reaincoat. It was like he was trying to hide, in black. But when you try to look inconsipicuos, somethime you make yourself even more conspicuous."

Later, Hal was one of the witnesses who helped the FBI create compositie drawing of Cooper. "But I never did think they were very goood. They didnt' look like him at all. Bu I was just one of many who helped put them together."


This all come from a man WHO WAS THERE IN 1971.




Interesting, because Bill Mitchell told the WSHM that the sun came out as they crossed the tarmac to enter the aircraft. Bill says he put his sunglasses on at that time, so was not surprised when Dan Cooper donned his.

Plus, Meyer later said that the weather was so bad that he has gauged the severity of rain storms from that experience ever since.

Does anything add up in Norjak? Just askin'.

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"...I knew you had time to get that horrible post deleted and I hope you did....I was not pestering you, but what if it was your mother he accused of being a xxx.




Are we talking about SEX again? And I missed it? A scrubbed post about Jo and her mother and xxx's? Where? When?

Geez, I take a nap for a couple hours and THIS happens. Jo, I gotta keep my eye on you 24-7.

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Margie Boule's accounting of Hal.

"A nasty day.

....As I explained to the FBI yrs ago, he was conspicuous. This was 1971 when we wore polyester and plaid and funny shoes and guaudy shirts. The boarding area had lots of businessment dressed just like that. Al except this one man, Dan Cooper, wh was dressed all in black. It was unusual: blacke pants, shoes, black reaincoat. It was like he was trying to hide, in black. But when you try to look inconspicuos, sometimes you make yourself even more conspicuous."

Later, Hal was one of the witnesses who helped the FBI create compositie drawing of Cooper. "But I never did think they were very good. They didnt' look like him at all. But I was just one of many who helped put them together."


This all come from a man WHO WAS THERE IN 1971.

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Bruce states:
Interesting, because Bill Mitchell told the WSHM that the sun came out as they crossed the tarmac to enter the aircraft. Bill says he put his sunglasses on at that time, so was not surprised when Dan Cooper donned his.






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Obviously you are totally unaware of how things were done in 1971.

Hal was the gate agent and then as to day - he collects your ticket as you leave the gate....

The gates now are inside the terminal in most cases, sometimes you have to go onto the tarmac to board some of the planes in smaller airports, but the agent takes part of the ticket at that time. There is a great deal of distance between the plane and terminal.

Now they are all now covered in most instances, but back then the ramps were not enclosed for every flight....in fact most were still open in 1971.

The crew may or may not dis-embark - depending on the time frame on the ground or connecting flights....

Remember the crew boards before the passenger - by several minutes.....DUHH! Although now you even wonder if they have crew at times.

The sun is NOT in the same place all of the time - :|oh I forgot the earth revolved around the sun. Perhaps the clouds moved, the front had moved in - lots of reason...but you should refrain from stating unless Cooper & the crew boarded at the SAME time!:)Just couldn't resist that one!;)

????'s Are you the one quoting the pilot or was it someone else...where did YOU get your information about the pilot putting his glasses on? All of the times I have spoke to the pilot - we never had this discussion so did YOU personally have that discussion with the co-pilot?

????'s Did you ask or did you assume Cooper was boarding at the same time as the pilot and co-pilot? Is your source reliable?
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"In August of 2000 Tina was STILL a nun and it was not known if Tina would be ALLOW to view photos of Weber..."



Prove it, Mrs. Cooper. Sister Elizabeth Mary told me Tina left the convent about 1991. All other family members that I have spoken with concur




DID YOU NOTICE THE QUOTES - THOSE ARE MARGIE'S WORDS NOT MINE - I SIMPLY QUOTED HER.
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So, Sail and I decided we're gonna head down to Hats after my return from NY in October. It's be our Halloween Treat!



Xcellent. Bring some pics of Sheridan. I'm just curious if Ralph knew him. I'd also be curious to hear what Ralph thought about Teddy M. That manslaughter case alleged some unbelievably callous actions by Mayfield. Unsafe gear being supplied to student jumpers etc.

Cossey's two faced claims about the survivability of the 727 jump should also be probed. Show Ralph examples.

Glad to hear Sailshaw is getting around OK.

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So, Sail and I decided we're gonna head down to Hats after my return from NY in October. It's be our Halloween Treat!



Xcellent. Bring some pics of Sheridan. I'm just curious if Ralph knew him. I'd also be curious to hear what Ralph thought about Teddy M. That manslaughter case alleged some unbelievably callous actions by Mayfield. Unsafe gear being supplied to student jumpers etc.

Cossey's two faced claims about the survivability of the 727 jump should also be probed. Show Ralph examples.

Glad to hear Sailshaw is getting around OK.

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Being Confrontal with RH will get Bruce NO where! RH can kick ass with the best - and his will be 2 steps ahead of U.

Ralph may request he record the conversation & that any thing you write has to be editd by him & signed off on....I highly recommend that to any one you interview.

You have twisted my words. NOW I have learned to STATE it on the thread & I still goof up. Worse thing is when a post is segrated from the connecting post....and you do a LOT of that! Evident in the last few postings tonight.
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In August of 2000 Tina was STILL a nun and it was not known if Tina would be ALLOW to view photos of Weber..."



Prove it, Mrs. Cooper. Sister Elizabeth Mary told me Tina left the convent about 1991. All other family members that I have spoken with concur





See what I mean - when you are confrontal like that you can get your ass kicked! Go read Margie's article - I put quotes around it! Those were NOT my words.

:)

THAT WOULD BE HILLARIOUS....
YOU MIGHT NEED A CHANGE OF CLOTHES!

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August 13, 2000

Margie made this remark when she did a follow up on her story - she was a remarkable writer and I was probably the most difficult undertaking of her career...I am journalist's night mare and I know that.

I know I am my own worse enemy and I defeated myself by being so difficult....I felt every thing had to be accurate with no liberaties taken.


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Margie Boule of the Oregonian really sums this up with these words on August 13, 2000 - words, I believe have become a reality.

"THEY SAY MEMORY PAINTS PICTURES.
COOPER'S CRIME MAY BE A LANDSCAPE THAT HAS BECOME TOO DARK TO SEE."


From the Oregonian August 23, 2000

How VERY perceptive Margie Boule was. Seemingly her words 14 yrs ago may have been prophetic.
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Maybe RALPH WILL REQUIRE YOU [Bruce] JUMP OUT OF PLANE BEFORE HE WILL ALLOW YOU TO INTERVIEW HIM !



Both Sailshaw and Bruce have medical reasons to stay grounded. I wouldn't jump solo after a heart attack or with two artificial knees. I know both guys. Sail is a pilot. I think they'd both do fine as jumpers but prudence dictates otherwise. I would worry about Bruce a bit since he sees gravity as an option not a law. Sail, as an engineer, knows that he who thinks he can beat gravity will make a big impression, literally.

Why don't you make a tandem jump Jo. FL is chock full of DZs. ;)

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Shutter says in part:

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'Jo, it's constantly brought up by you, or Bobby. I rarely post here. If it was my mother, or sister, that's a different question all together. there is no problem. the problem has been addressed. Cook hardly posts on my forum. when he does he spouts off things he shouldn't be saying. I address it, and we move on. call your lawyer and have him call me. the legal action is ridiculous that appears around here. I told you in an email that I removed his last two posts along with a warning. I'm not removing anything further, nor am I going to worry about it any longer. between you, Blevins, and Cook. you guys need to get together and come to some sort of cease fire. you guys involve everyone in this. that's why I said people don't want to hear about it. you guys toss gas onto the fire constantly making it everyone's problem posting it here. it has nothing to do with this forum, and shouldn't be the main topic of this thread. I'm sorry most of you have to sit through this never ending soap opera. my final word to Cook was in large bold letters stating "KNOCK IT OFF" perhaps you guys can learn from that message as well...'


You mean you finally decided to say something about the outright lies he was posting on your website? Kudos to you. No worries. After his last fiasco, which the staff of AB calls 'Sign Here Please,' (his 'agreement' was truly funny, no kidding...I printed it up in a fancy font and framed it) none of us have been back to look at your site. But you have to admit we had a right to be pissed off at Cook. When so much planning and effort by so many people for the Auburn Days event could have been ruined by Cook showing up (supposedly with Bernie Geestman) to interrupt the proceedings...well you can understand.

Everyone also understands that was NOT your fault. On the other hand, when you keep saying how bad I am and how things are so much better for you, our response to that is the usual 'they deserve each other over there'. Trust me, I don't have any jealousy or envy about your site. I was angry about Cook for a while, but that's about it.

I still stand behind what I said regarding the kid and how Bruce Smith handled that. Without repeating the whole thing again, I'll give you the short and sweet version. Bruce calling this person or that in an effort to make sure the kid was okay wasn't wrong. No problem there.

Posting all the information on that family publicly via internet and doing his nauseous 'updates' certainly WAS wrong. I have already made my position plain on that. And my response was to block Smith from PM's and email. Not a real big deal since he seldom messaged, but I just didn't want him popping up in my inbox anymore.


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I would worry about Bruce a bit since he sees gravity as an option not a law. 377




Sorry, I know this is morbid - but that made me LOL! & just trying to respond has me laughing....geez I must be one sick puppy, but frankly Brucie deserves to have to jump for his interview....of Course there are rules.

If he goes in there and pissed Ralph off - woe be Bruce. Hope BRUCE knows he will be competing with a room full of birds!:)
How did Ralph get started with all of those bird? Duane told me about them in 1979 when he spoke of Ralph so evidently Ralph had birds before that.....

So what is your explanation for Duane knowing where Ralph lived and that he had all of those birds - NOTE we are talking 1979 and I knew ZERO about Cooper and what I did read 8 yrs before in a news paper did not mean squat to me.

Ralph has viewed pics of Weber but did not recognize him - but HOW did Duane know him prior to 1979? He had no explanation of why Duane would claim to know him & he did not recognize Weber.

I have NO idea what Hately looks like. Never saw a picture of him.

Jo told Ralph H and anyone who would listen from the very beginning...the same stories I tell here - but Zero Ville.

I tried to remember all of the stops & akk Duane told me and I told Mr. H and JT - the FBI didn't take time to ever listen to me.

I am pretty sure the jump place with all the birds in OR was mentioned by me on a tape I made and/or a handwritten accounting I tried to do of my memories. IF this was after 2000 they would claim an acquired memory, but it was before 2000.

I have someone who is trying to get pictures off of those old negatives Duane had - the ones where the pics went poof.

I know one of them is Stanley Gilliam but I didn't have a pic with me to compare with. There are 5 guys and obviously Duane is taking the pics...there are NO women and they are in THE WOODS & The Mountians and
definitely WA. The damn pic of the WALL has me puzzled - but I have to wait for the hard copies - and the negatives are damaged and back then there was no dates - the dates started later.

The only SET of negatived that look like these but at one time I actually saw real pics - those pics no longer exist - so maybe Duane did something with them & forgot about the negatives..he told me they were important so why I didn't discard them.

See Ya.
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