DB Cooper

[mrshutter45 21]

Jo, the rear door was opened moments after take off....
watch is jewelry/not jewelry....doesn't matter, nobody seen a watch....

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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mrshutter45

Jo, the rear door was opened moments after take off....
watch is jewelry/not jewelry....doesn't matter, nobody seen a watch....

The stewardess where asked if Cooper wore any jewelry. If they mention a watch and a description of that watch - you can BET they sat on that - in order to be able to ID Cooper.

You are probably right on the door.
We know he could NOT get it open so it was NOT open right off the bat. The stewardess had to show him! I know they COULD not take off with it open and I was reading one of the accounts that claimed the Door was not lowered until they approach the Mt. St. Helens area....I do NOT remember who wrote that. The individual who did was probably referring the lowering of the airway....Even if the door was open I was not lowered - that would have created quiet a drag - would it not?

Cooper couldn't get the door to open so HOW long had they been in the air at that time. Do you have the minutes on this? The statement about the door opening and Mt St. Helens is and was in a written document - but I do NOT remember who the statement came from. 17 yrs is a long long time to chase a story...and most of it I keep in my head, other than what I write in this thread.

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[mrshutter45 21]

I believe I showed this the other day, but will repost it.

7:41 Stewardess Muclow allowed to go to cockpit.
7:42 HJ advised (by inter-phone) that he was having difficulty getting the steps down.
7:43, this would be around McChord AFB. according to the transcript, it's about 7 minutes into the flight.

this is why people think is was going to jump early, this didn't happen around the time they think he jumped....

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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skyjack71

***Jo, the rear door was opened moments after take off....
watch is jewelry/not jewelry....doesn't matter, nobody seen a watch....

The stewardess where asked if Cooper wore any jewelry. If they mention a watch and a description of that watch - you can BET they sat on that - in order to be able to ID Cooper.

You are probably right on the door.
We know he could NOT get it open so it was NOT open right off the bat. The stewardess had to show him! I know they COULD not take off with it open and I was reading one of the accounts that claimed the Door was not lowered until they approach the Mt. St. Helens area....I do NOT remember who wrote that. The individual who did was probably referring the lowering of the airway....Even if the door was open I was not lowered - that would have created quiet a drag - would it not?

Cooper couldn't get the door to open so HOW long had they been in the air at that time. Do you have the minutes on this? The statement about the door opening and Mt St. Helens is and was in a written document - but I do NOT remember who the statement came from. 17 yrs is a long long time to chase a story...and most of it I keep in my head, other than what I write in this thread.

Jo, You can forget about Mt. St. Helens. The aircraft was never within 20 miles of that mountain.

The aft stairs were opened when the airliner was on V-23 about 20 miles almost straight south of the Seattle airport. This is fully documented in the radio transcripts.

There is no "missing minute". There is one minute where the location of the aircraft is not plotted on the chart but that does not make a "missing minute".

Robert99

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mrshutter45

I believe I showed this the other day, but will repost it.

7:41 Stewardess Muclow allowed to go to cockpit.
7:42 HJ advised (by inter-phone) that he was having difficulty getting the steps down.
7:43, this would be around McChord AFB. according to the transcript, it's about 7 minutes into the flight.

this is why people think is was going to jump early, this didn't happen around the time they think he jumped....

Clearly something wrong with this:
She physically showed him how to open the door - so what did she do?
Did She GO BACK to the Cabin? Maybe it has been a few yrs since I reviewed the story as told to Tosaw....one of few interviews ever done with Tina. Another thing they were worried about Tina being in the cabin when he fully extended the door - something wrong with the sequence. Did they tell him what to do over the interphone? Or did he figure it out all by himself?

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[MartinBaker 2]

I have never figured out why it is assumed Cooper did not know how to lower the aft airstairs? Why could he not have simply faked not knowing how to open it just to throw off investigators?

Is the young stew (Tina) still refusing to talk about the event , and is she still in a covent?

Of the passengers and crew aboard the a/c at the time of the hijacking, how many are still akive?

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How about quoting the more recent comment I made on Cossey? Then maybe people will understand why I made it, and why your post is so senseless. It was a solid update that included a *possible* suspect:

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Why are you telling us!?

Shouldn't you be telling LE or Lindsay? (Lohan)

Next time maybe update the update of the update of the
update, so we are updated on which update to update?

On 2nd thought, why am I paying any attention to you at all!

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skyjack71

***I believe I showed this the other day, but will repost it.

7:41 Stewardess Muclow allowed to go to cockpit.
7:42 HJ advised (by inter-phone) that he was having difficulty getting the steps down.
7:43, this would be around McChord AFB. according to the transcript, it's about 7 minutes into the flight.

this is why people think is was going to jump early, this didn't happen around the time they think he jumped....

Clearly something wrong with this:
She physically showed him how to open the door - so what did she do?
Did She GO BACK to the Cabin? Maybe it has been a few yrs since I reviewed the story as told to Tosaw....one of few interviews ever done with Tina. Another thing they were worried about Tina being in the cabin when he fully extended the door - something wrong with the sequence. Did they tell him what to do over the interphone? Or did he figure it out all by himself?

Funny you mention this, I was reading about the stairs again today. does anyone know if the back door to the stairs were open or closed? according to the diagram I seen, the stairs must be opened before the door? could Cooper have had problems with this, or does this procedure only work on the ground? I will find the site and put the link on it here...

see photo

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[georger 194]

So why should I listen to you?

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Good question! Took you 3 years to figure that out!

Took Sluggo only 24 hours!

oh well...

Romney is on Leno and my phone is ringing ... must go!

Maybe taking more than $40 to the DB Cooper case casino was
your first mistake? The rest is history. Maybe you should have skipped Decoded, Newsvine, the book, and Dropzone ... and gone straight to American Idol with your song and dance?

[mrshutter45 21]

"Another thing they were worried about Tina being in the cabin when he fully extended the door - something wrong with the sequence. Did they tell him what to do over the interphone? Or did he figure it out all by himself? "

lots of things happened before they took off, here is another part of the transcript involving Tina, about a half hour prior to take off

the time didn't show on my photo.....6:59 was the time

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[MeyerLouie 5]

MeyerLouie says in part:

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'I'll go down any path I choose to. Bite me. As if you have any room to talk -- with all your never-ending, outlandish, ridiculous, non-substantiated claims and speculations...'

Non-substantiated? Guess again. Anytime you want to check a quoted source I've named, feel free to do so.

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I'm talking about your off-the-cuff responses to topics you have no knowledge of. You just spout off, saying ridiculous, ignorant, uninformed things like airplanes flying off course will be running into each other all the time. You do it all the time, Blevins. That's what I mean by "unsubstantiated."

MeyerLouie

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georger

*********Meyer Louie says in part, regarding the murder of Earl Cossey:

'Hmmm... a friend of 30 years is surprised to hear about the divorce of a financially well-to-do friend. Is it just me, or is that a red flag? So, half of the spoils still leaves husband and wife both rich? How many times has that kept anyone from doing dasdardly things to keep it all to themselves. I think you can see who my suspect is.... just thinking out loud....'

You know, Meyer...you came down pretty hard on me for suggesting that Cossey's murder was probably related to a burglary. And then the Woodinville police chief classifies it as such at a recent City Council meeting. I had to sit here and read major frickin' insults from you about that.

Now...you have the nerve to start naming suspects? You are hinting that Cossey's elderly wife had something to do with it? WTH is that all about? You have not a clue from any of the limited information that has been released to even go down that path. At least when I said it was a possible burglary-in-progress, I had something to go on. The cops photographing window latches, for example, and other things around the front door. Those were shown on KIRO-TV. Also, the history of excessive burglaries in Cossey's neighborhood.

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I'll go down any path I choose to. Bite me. As if you have any room to talk -- with all your never-ending, outlandish, ridiculous, non-substantiated claims and speculations.

Since I have the nerve to speculate wildly, let me continue.... You bet your ass the former Mrs. Cossey is a suspect, and will be until she can be crossed off the suspect list. She's probably at the top of that list, it's SOP -- investigators always start with family members. And why is that Blevins? Do you know? That's right, with homicides, the probability is quite high that a family member or friend of the victim will be the perpetrator.

Why might there be suspicion with Mrs. Cossey? Well, let's see now.....Earl Cossey and Mrs. Cossey are married for years and years. Then they suddenly get divorced (even a friend of 30 years is surprised by that development --friends of 30 years usually see the marital problems of their friends coming -- it's rarely a surprise -- at least that's been the case with my life-long friends who've gone through divorces). A year after the divorce, Earl Cossey is brutally murdered. I'm not saying the wife did it, or it's a murder for hire, but the timing is mighty interesting, a red flag if you will -- sooooo, it needs to be checked out, period. The ex has to be considered a suspect until she can be officially eliminated. What's so crazy about that, Blevins? It's SOP in homicide investigations.

The police photographed window latches and "other things" around the front door. Okay, good, so what? You know Blevins, burglaries are not always random. Thieves with inside knowledge of where the loot is stored can be the most dangerous. Loose lips over cocktails, with a monster, at the casino, is all it takes,

So, there it is, my wild speculations about possible suspects. Don't like that, Blevins? Don't really care.

MeyerLouie

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I tend to think the gambling is a lead to follow especially if he
was known (by certain people!) to keep cash around. $25k
would be enough for someone doing something stupid and if
caught by Coss then a struggle and any old guy would get the
worst of it ... what a sad tale whatever it is!

Good luck with it - ...

Never take more than $40 to a casino!

The meal should be $20 and that leaves $20 for the penny
slots. You can sit and sip two beers and raise hell all night and
have a wonderful time on $20! And be sober to drive home
avoiding deer, smelling the fresh midnight air all the way home,
looking for ufo's, and listening to Dolly Parton on the radio -
life can be good!



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I too think the gambling lead is the most promising -- but when you talk to Blevins, you have to lay it all out -- you have to type real slow and talk really loud. Gambling, lots of stashed cash in house -- I'd say that's a promising lead.

But you can bet investigators are checking out all possibiliites. Family are usually at the top of the list.
Heaven forbid, the blasphemy of it all -- to even name a Cossey family member as a possible suspect. I don't mean to be disrespectful to the Cossey family, but homicide investigators are checking them out, first. It's SOP -- as I said earlier. I also think the case is going to be solved -- maybe sooner than we think.

MeyerLouie

[mrshutter45 21]

Robert, being "blown off course " does not mean miles off course, do you think a plane just fly's straight as an arrow?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

On a trip to the Islands Duane and I boarded a 727 in 1987. When we boarded Duane pointed out the wheel on the door and TOLD me how it worked. That had to be opened and he told me about the aft stairs, but do not remember what he said about the Aft Stairs.

How did he know that and why did he point it out to me? We also flew in a 727 from Denver to Atanta in 1978 to a friends Wedding. The friend who told me all the WILD stories about when they worked together. They recently had their 25 annivesary so I hope have the yr right

On that trip I believe is when he pointed out the flaps and the oxygen.

He was really skiddish about one of the stewardess. (Later I found that Florence was flying that route).

He did NOT want the woman to see him and I can even tell you what I was wearing on that trip. A suede green skirt and Brown Boots and Green plaid shirt with a crocheted vest.
She went to the 1st class area and we didn't see her again. When we went to disembark in Atlanta he held the brief case up on his shoulder and he did NOT want the stew to see him.

He told me it was an old girl friend he didn't want to talk to. She was too young for Duane. I got one look at her and she had shoulder length hair with a litte auburn highlights in it. I didn't see her face. (I wanted to know what my competition looked like). I would loved to have seen a picture of Florence during those days. At that time I knew ZERO about the skyjacking or Dan Cooper.

Sorry your question about the Aft Stairs made me remember old memories - things I have told before, but perhaps this will the last time I will have a chance to mention them ever again. I am unable to answer the question you asked.

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Well, we can only hope that you are right about jets flying off-course won't be crashing into each other all the time. Maybe you should go a step further and suggest that there is no need for air traffic controllers or radar. Sort of an 'Every Pilot for Himself' system instead.

Sounds good to me. Ayn Rand flight rules. Ticket prices would fall. So would a few planes but we would have free skies, unshackled from the oppressive oversight of big government. Bring it on.

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RobertMBlevins

Well, it's been pretty silent on Cossey from everyone. Police? I've never seen them so quiet on a case where residents are SO pissed off.

Maybe this is nothing, but here are some of the most recent burglaries between May 6-13th in Woodinville. Notice the THIRD one. Picture is attached. It's like two blocks from Cossey's place. In this one, they caught the guy. Who knows? Maybe the cops are talking to him.

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'4. Residential Burglary – 17100 blk of 131st Ave NE. Victim reported unknown suspect(s) entered his residence by jimmying the sliding glass patio door latch. Once inside suspect(s) ransacked the residence and stole a large flat panel plasma TV, a game system and games, two laptops, jewelry, alcohol, cash, and toilet paper.

5. Commercial Burglary– 12400 blk of NE 173rd PL. Victim reported unknown suspect(s) broke out a window that accessed two businesses, however no entry was made.

6. Residential Burglary- 19400 blk of 148th Ave NE. Victim called 911 to report an unknown suspect in his new residence as he was moving items in. The suspect left on a dark colored motorcycle wearing a red helmet as officers responded to the area. The victim advised officers that the suspect had gone through his boxes and ate and drank his food. The investigation resulted in the suspect being positively identified. Deputies located the suspect later in the evening and booked him in to the King County Jail with pending burglary charges.'

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I noticed in your sample reports that no one was reported murdered. Sounds like these thieves were only interested in stealing things and had little intention to do any bodily harm. Remember what was said earlier, Blevins -- most burglars are runners, not killers. Your examples here seem to verify that. And what do these burglaries have in common with the Cossey burglary that ended up with a homicide? Once again Blevins, agpples and oranges. What do your examples verify or substantiate in relation to what we know about the Cossey case -- besides next to nothing?

MeyerLouie

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Jo wrote

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On a trip to the Islands Duane and I boarded a 727 in 1987. When we boarded Duane pointed out the wheel on the door and TOLD me how it worked. That had to be opened and he told me about the aft stairs, but do not remember what he said about the Aft Stairs.

Jo,

As I recall you also claimed to have seen the ground through some opening in the door frame during this flight. That wouldn't be possible in a pressurized 727. You should accept the possibility that your memory might not be very accurate regarding what you saw on this flight.

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[mrshutter45 21]

Robert, you fail to see key points in this matter. the police told the people of Woodinville something about no danger.

now we have clues into Cossey's background showing he had large sums of money at hand.

IMO, this has nothing to do with the current crimes in the area, it's pointing to a personal issue with Cossey. if you lived on that street you would have everyone in a panic.

will you ever take your own advice and stop updating??

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

I'm going to say this and then I'm done with you. when you hang out in Casino's and lots of your friends know you have available cash it can send out bad signals. Casino's are full of scammers. word can get around to bad elements quick!

the odds are high of a Burglar killing, even higher for him to return to the same area.

you don't have any pattern to look at, how many other burglaries have ended up in murder in this area? is the MO the same as the others? you don't know that either.

you are farting in the wind trying to compare Cossey's murder with a common Burglary. yes I know they said it was a burglary, but this hasn't changed anything from day one, because you don't know why Cossey was killed. do you know if they killed him in the house, or the garage, were they waiting on his return, did they force him to his house? did they wait for him to shut off the alarm? where they in the house already? was Cossey drinking at the Casino and someone gave him a ride in his car home and tried to take his winnings? I can keep going until I hit the right one???? we don't know.

I'm sure there is a very good reason why they are not talking right now. if it was a burglar and it's his first time killing someone, I doubt he would return.

that's how I see it Officer Blevins.....no further comment about this from me.......

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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RobertMBlevins

***MeyerLouie says in part:

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'I'll go down any path I choose to. Bite me. As if you have any room to talk -- with all your never-ending, outlandish, ridiculous, non-substantiated claims and speculations...'

Non-substantiated? Guess again. Anytime you want to check a quoted source I've named, feel free to do so.

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I'm talking about your off-the-cuff responses to topics you have no knowledge of. You just spout off, saying ridiculous, ignorant, uninformed things like airplanes flying off course will be running into each other all the time. You do it all the time, Blevins. That's what I mean by "unsubstantiated."

MeyerLouie

Well, we can only hope that you are right about jets flying off-course won't be crashing into each other all the time. Maybe you should go a step further and suggest that there is no need for air traffic controllers or radar. Sort of an 'Every Pilot for Himself' system instead.

Good News: We could save a lot from the Federal budget.

Bad News: People dodging the falling aircraft parts each time they go outside.

LOL. You are truly funny sometimes.

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Yeah, but you're lacking the brain cells to truly understand what people with real experience, skills, and knowledge are trying to tell you. You know nothing about radar, air traffic control, or true direction/wind speed/vector addition -- but that doesn't keep you from talking. All you're doing is making a horse's ass of yourself. Most people try to have some sense of competence and credibility.

MeyerLouie

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Blevins wrote:

]How do you KNOW it was a personal issue with Cossey? You don't know. ....
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You just can't help yourself -- your outrageous, ridiculous statements never end. Maybe you didn't hear... Mr. Cossey was killed from blunt force trauma. Somebody struck Mr. Cossey and killed him. Now, if that isn't personal, then I don't know what is??!! What an idiotic statement, Blevins!

MeyerLouie

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Jo wrote

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On a trip to the Islands Duane and I boarded a 727 in 1987. When we boarded Duane pointed out the wheel on the door and TOLD me how it worked. That had to be opened and he told me about the aft stairs, but do not remember what he said about the Aft Stairs.

Jo,

As I recall you also claimed to have seen the ground through some opening in the door frame during this flight. That wouldn't be possible in a pressurized 727. You should accept the possibility that your memory might not be very accurate regarding what you saw on this flight.

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You have the WRONG trip and wrong yr.

The trip you are talking about was in 2007 to bury my last husband. This was in July 2007. That flight was from Pensacola to Atlanta where I changed planes. The plane was old and since I have a problem sitting for long periods of time - I stood back behind the galley. I was told it was a 727 and yes - on that flight I was able to see out cracks at the opening in the Galley.

I was told it was a 727 - but maybe since the flight from here to Atlanta was short - maybe it was not pressurized. I only know what they told me.... I know I did not like that rickety old plane. It was really OLD.

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Jo wrote

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On a trip to the Islands Duane and I boarded a 727 in 1987. When we boarded Duane pointed out the wheel on the door and TOLD me how it worked. That had to be opened and he told me about the aft stairs, but do not remember what he said about the Aft Stairs.

Jo,

As I recall you also claimed to have seen the ground through some opening in the door frame during this flight. That wouldn't be possible in a pressurized 727. You should accept the possibility that your memory might not be very accurate regarding what you saw on this flight.

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1978 - with Duane DENVER/ATLANTA

1987 - with Duane FLA to the ISLANDS

2007 - to my last husbands funeral
Worse plane trip of my life
I assure you I was able to see
The ground during the entire
trip - that plane was not
Pressurized - they told me it
was a 727! The plane was old
and rickety - was never so
glad to get off a plane in my
entire life. I gave LITTLE to no
attention to anything else at
that time. That was a very
difficult time & trip because
of the circumstances under
which I made that trip!

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I thought the purpose of a GAMING CARD was so you did NOT have to carry large amounts of money on You when you go to the casino.

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Jo wrote

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The trip you are talking about was in 2007 to bury my last husband. This was in July 2007. That flight was from Pensacola to Atlanta where I changed planes. The plane was old and since I have a problem sitting for long periods of time - I stood back behind the galley. I was told it was a 727 and yes - on that flight I was able to see out cracks at the opening in the Galley.

I stand corrected Jo.

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