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What if…

The pilots claimed a passenger tried to get back on the plane,, but pushed him off..

If that was not a passenger but an FBI agent trying to sneak on as passengers were leaving, then that may have been the person Finegold saw..

That may pull it all together..

 

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Egg Harbor suspect came up randomly today, well Egg Harbor did. I guess there is a big FAA research facility there. 
 

The FAA William J. Hughes Technical Centeris an aviation research and development, and test and evaluation facility. The Technical Center serves as the national scientific test base for the Federal Aviation Administration. 
 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Hughes_Technical_Center

 

 

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Anyone listen to Martin Andrade’s latest episode on The Cooper Vortex? He mentions that he’s looking at a new list of suspects based off Gunther’s book. I need to listen again, but it sounds like men born in Canada who moved to NJ and joined the military are no longer the exact group he is looking at. 
 

Martin, any plans for updates or will it be in the new version of your book? Thanks. 

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5 hours ago, CooperNWO305 said:

Anyone listen to Martin Andrade’s latest episode on The Cooper Vortex? He mentions that he’s looking at a new list of suspects based off Gunther’s book. I need to listen again, but it sounds like men born in Canada who moved to NJ and joined the military are no longer the exact group he is looking at. 
 

Martin, any plans for updates or will it be in the new version of your book? Thanks. 

Feel free to contact me privately.

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I found that NORJAK era 727's had compass heading on the Flight Data Recorder.

Northwest 727's used the Fairchild Model 5424..  I can't confirm NORJAK had that model.

However, the 5424 FDR recorded compass heading.

NORJAK's FDR was analyzed by Boeing.

The compass heading is not the path.. but a divergence from a path can be determined.

edit,, point is a substantial variation from the path would be determined

Edited December 19, 2020 by FLYJACK

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Is Mr Walker still available to talk to researchers?

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14 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Blast From the Cooper Past: 
From early 2010, interview with W. Wayne 'Sluggo' Walker.
Content copyright 2010 by Adventure Books of Seattle.

Mr Walker, a resident of Ashford, Alabama, runs the most comprehensive research site on the D.B. Cooper case, and has been investigating the hijacking of Flight 305 since 1975.

*Image used by permission of W. Wayne (‘Sluggo’) Walker.

AB of Seattle: I’ll start with a very basic question. One of the biggest debates going on Cooper is whether or not he survived the jump. Do you believe he did?

Sluggo: I’m not a skydiver, so, I have to rely on what I hear from those who are. The chute he used was slightly modified and would have been what the skydivers call “a hard pull.” The chute he selected was a very reliable emergency-type chute. Therefore, the skydivers believe if he pulled… he survived (the terrain wasn’t as big a factor as generally believed). Also, Ms. Mucklow testified that he donned the chute like he had done it many times. Those two issues taken together make me believe that he probably survived. He may have been injured, but not seriously.

AB of Seattle: Stewardess Tina Mucklow testified that Cooper tried to hand her three packets of the ransom money, and that she refused it. Does anyone know whether he secured the money back into the money bag, or did he put it somewhere else after she refused it?

Sluggo: First, I’m not really sure it was offered to Mucklow alone. It may have been offered to all three cabin attendants or to Mucklow and Schaffner together (Alice Hancock probably was already off the plane). The bag was open (it had no zipper or other method of closure) and he had not yet sealed it with parachute cord or attached to his body. Therefore, I can’t imagine why he would put the money anywhere other than back into the bag it came from.

AB of Seattle: Along that same line, do you think these packets could be the same three packets that were found on the river in Vancouver, Washington in 1980?

Sluggo: I don’t see any evidence to support that theory. To make that assumption would be pure speculation.

AB of Seattle: Is there any evidence to suggest that Cooper actually directed a flight plan to the crew beyond ‘we’re going to Mexico City’ and then later just agreeing to try for Reno?

Sluggo: Well, here you have hit a Sluggo Hot Button. Early in the investigation there was a belief that Cooper was very knowledgeable about aviation. Then later, it was assumed by the FBI that he just had some tangential knowledge. I believe he was VERY familiar with aviation and the B-727-51 specifically. I also believe he had studied the navigation charts, the FAA Sectional Charts, and chose V-23 as the route he wanted the pilots to use. He did not specify Victor-23, but the things he did specify, made Victor-23 the only viable route southeast. This is a very complex issue, and I can go on for hours discussing it but, for simplicity sake, the best example of what I mean is that he ordered ‘gear down’. Gear down doesn’t make the plane fly slower, make the airstairs open wider, or make the jump safer. The only thing it does is increase fuel burn rate, hence eliminating other routes south.

AB of Seattle: The F.B.I. has backed off from their initial theory that Cooper was either a paratrooper, or at least familiar with skydiving. What do you think?

Sluggo: I believe he had some familiarity with skydiving. Most likely it was military experience as a pilot, crew member, or loadmaster in a military situation. Remember, when I say ‘military’, I’m not limiting it to the US Military, he could have been Canadian.

AB of Seattle: It’s been listed in most reports that Cooper said: ‘Looks like Tacoma (Washington) down there.’ At what exact point in the flight did he supposedly say this?

Sluggo: This is the most over-quoted testimony in the NORJAK case. This event occurred prior to landing at Seattle. The plane was in a holding pattern out over the Puget Sound, 15 to 20 nautical miles out. They were at 6,000 ft. MSL, on the 307-degree radial of the SEA VORTAC, out to the LOFAL intersection. The weather was scattered clouds at about 5,000 feet MSL. They were flying a racetrack-like pattern. On each orbit, Cooper would have seen lights out the starboard windows for about two-minutes as they turned at the south-most end of the loop. Anyone who knew that they were holding over the Puget Sound would know those lights were the Seattle-Tacoma area. In fact, what he may have seen was Seattle, not Tacoma.

AB of Seattle: There have been some minor disputes about how many parachutes were left behind on Flight 305 by Cooper, and which ones he took with him. What do you know about this?

Sluggo: I’m not aware of a dispute. Sources in the FBI have clearly identified that the two chutes remaining on the plane were the ‘sport chute’ and the workable reserve, which had been opened and had some of its paracord removed. The two parachutes that were missing were the NB-8, the military-style bailout rig, and the training reserve. Remember, there were no D-Rings on the NB-8 to attach a reserve.

(*ABOVE: The 'sport parachute' not taken or opened by D.B. Cooper. Donated to the museum by the owner, after it was returned to him by the F.B.I. Image copyright 2020 by Adventure Books of Seattle.)

AB of Seattle: Any other thoughts on the case you’d like to add?

Sluggo: Well, just a cautionary word to all authors, journalist, and researchers. This case has accumulated a mythology that is broader and stronger than the reality. Most of the published facts are born from this mythology, and therefore, aren’t facts at all. Initially the myths were propagated by law enforcement’s lack of candor when releasing public information. Then at the same time law enforcement started opening-up to the public, the internet brought its ‘cut-and-paste without any critical thinking’ culture into the investigation. Finding irrefutable sources almost 40 years after the event is nearly impossible.

AB of Seattle: Thank you for your time.

Sluggo: To help remedy this situation, I have attempted to build a one-stop-shopping website for anyone who wants to know more about the facts in the case and save themselves a lot of time and energy. That site, Northwest 305 Hijacking Research, is located at http://N467US.com/ .

(NOTE 12/19/2020: The website listed above is no longer active. But you can buy it for just over $3,000 USD. Unfortunately, you only get the website name, not the actual content. However, you CAN access the full content of the site today through the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine. Go to the Wayback Machine (link=) and then pick a date as you wish from the graphic menu. It doesn’t really matter which date you choose. Sluggo seldom changed anything at the website and pretty much one version, one date, is the same as another.)

Good post Robert. 

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On 12/19/2020 at 9:04 PM, RobertMBlevins said:

Well, I am not sure. He let the website lapse about a year or so back and the email address connected to it goes gonzo as well, when you do that. I think Shutter and Bruce S know how to get hold of him. I do have his snail mail address in Alabama, but I can't post that publicly. You should just ask over at the DB Cooper Forum. Someone might have his personal email. But he hasn't been heard from in a while, although word is that he is still alive and kicking, yes. I have wondered occasionally WHY he let the website lapse like that, though. He was one of the first Cooper investigators to cut through the baloney and stick to the known facts. Seems unusual he would just let the site lapse. I know he wasn't hurting for money, and usually it's like $100 a year for the domain name and the web space. Not that much. 

We had three more requests today from people wanting on the update list for the Cooper Festival next summer. I put out a recent notice at a website for Nissan owners. I hang out there a lot, and some of them have attended the smaller 'Cooper Campouts' we used to do (pre-Covid, figures...) in the Olympics. My friend Tom E signed up too. LOL he was one of the hardcore people who actually showed up to the failed Mount Hood gathering. It was the only one that did a crash and burn, because we picked a spot a ridiculous distance from Seattle. Got less than ten people total. The others we got at least twenty or more people who showed up. 

It's not a real big secret anymore where the Festival will be. We're turning south off the 410 Highway onto one of the Forest Service roads that approach the Mt Rainier National Park border. We won't be going into the park itself, of course. Easy to reach, easy to find, and I sent in the permit application. If they don't respond within ten days, it says, I can assume the permit was approved, and then they make you show up in person to sign the thing. I estimated attendance well over 200 people, but in reality I have no way of knowing how many will actually show up. Can't be over 400, though. I doubt we will get that many so I felt safe setting that as the max, and frankly....even as large as the spot we selected IS...that would definitely reach max capacity. But you have to set a number range for them in your permit (Forest Service). Three or four of us on the Planning Committee will head up there a day or two prior and set up everything. Then we just wait.  Any Cooper fans in the local Puget Sound area who want to join the Committee can apply at the Festival Page at AB of Seattle. Or...if you can't attend, you can still join the committee and offer your ideas and suggestions. We're even offering to present your material, whatever you have Cooper-related, FOR you to the crowd if you wish. For that, you should contact me personally and we can work on ideas about how this is done. Your best bet is doing it with a USB flash drive. That way, we don't have to worry your DVD won't play, and we could use either the media projector and big screen, or the smart TV. Plus a flash drive is just easier to deal with. 

I tested the PA system, mikes, and the stereo/karaoke unit today. Works great and will meet our needs. This combo system I put together will do speaking presentations, play music, and do karaoke on the same system. For video or still shots on Cooper presentations, we can run the smart TV and the DVD player. (Putting your pictures or video on a flash drive is easier. You can skip the DVD player and just plug the USB right into the TV. The remote will control everything on your flash drive easy.)  People can use the remote on the TV to present images one at a time. Or video. Pretty slick way to do it.

For karoake, if anyone is interested in that, you just turn the TV around so it faces the singer, and then run the DVD's into the TV, with the music itself going into the stereo system, and the lyrics show on the screen. Just kill the TV volume so the music only comes through the stereo speakers and there you go. Also tested with the one karoake DVD I have now. Worked fine. I sang 'I'm Into Something Good,' by Herman's Hermits to test it out. LOL. All we need now is a second microphone for the boom stand, just in case someone wants their accoustic stuff amplified as well as their voice. Should be fun by the time we get all this stuff organized and ready.
I hope. 

One thing I figured out real quick is that doing this is a lot more complicated than just running supplies and gear down to the Ariel Store, like I did in 2016. At least we had regular bathrooms there and electricity available. Now I have to provide those instead. I also ordered a 40x60 light duty tarp to string up over the stage, and to have it go from there to out front where any crowd would be at their tables, chairs, whatever. All of these things are the reason I had to bring in some additional people to assist. There is no way I could either set all this up by myself, or even GET all that gear to the location just in my one truck. 

NOTE: We are also seeking a general stage host for this event, someone known in Cooperland. I have no plans to do this myself, mainly because Greg and I will be way too busy in the background making sure everything runs smoothly, i.e. the music, video, shower and toilet setups, the free BBQ and the Lookalike Contest on Saturday, etc. Basically a TON of stuff. Too bad Bruce Smith doesn't answer his emails. I've already invited him twice, I think. No answer. I figure if he decides he wants to be a part of the festival, he will get hold of us sooner or later. But if he waits too long, the opportunity will vanish. Once we reach 400 people total on the email list, I am deleting the two pages about the festival at Adventure Books and we just take a chance on the people already signed up there, and we will freeze on any further attendees. If half show up, I will be happy and my hands will be full. I figure we may reach that point by no later than mid-April 2021. 

I enjoyed his (Sluggo's) posts.

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Robert, I research the case. that's what I do. I don't hold events. I can show the PM of your admission no longer needing a VPN to view my site because your IP changed. this is twice you have lied about this. you were well aware Skipp did that article. it doesn't matter if he was working with AB books or not, you took advantage of the opportunity and removed a dead man's name (your partner) for the glory! plus, you left parts out. the article was posted by Sluggo on page 755. the article was never made public. Gayla declined the interview which you didn't even know, according to this thread. you are not being honest with this board on a lot of things!

 

Jim, from Mississippi studios asked me about you and I answered him. you love to spin things entirely out of context. just as you recently did with Eric's absence. you whine about personal vs business but never once helped Eric. he paid out of his own pocket vs someone giving him money because they can't afford to do things on there own. what was done to you is exactly what you tell producers (we warned them about you guys) Jim asked, Shutter answered. it's pretty simple. I refuse to work with you.

 

Listen to yourself, Robert? "If Cooperland ever decided to work together instead of engaging in petty bickering, finger-pointing,"

 

That's all you do on this site. every other post you are constantly whining about someone and getting facts wrong by speaking for them. you are the biggest hypocrite I've come across online. Ignoring you is now "getting in your way" why are you begging Bruce to join then? can you explain how we are getting in the way? am I writing articles, making video's. are we having an event right next to yours at the sametime? please advise. everyone does basically get along. it's you that tosses a wrench into things. I don't work with you, I don't speak with you on the phone or anywhere else other than confronting you here. I don't have any links to you or what you do, so I fail to see a reason I need to mention you or anything you do? we just get in your way, right? what's really funny, is the fact of you claiming nothing bothers you. take a long look at this thread Robert. 90% of your comments are about the things that never bother you. you now take up pages of nonsense. 

 

Merry Christmas

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He warned you to stop the attacks and the lies. He TOLD you that he wanted both me and the AB staff involved in that event. 

 

 

Robert, this is soooo tiring. you are once again speaking out of context. I was not warned of anything nor do I lie. Yes, Jim "asked" and didn't warn anyone to try and get along. He's not in a position to speak like that. that's YOU speaking like that! I responded saying we do get along, it's just you that I didn't want to work with or be associated with.. wouldn't we just "get in the way" or the public you speak for might hold back showing up? also, please show where Jim warned me about lies? you can't MAKE someone do something they don't want to do! 

 

Get with Jim and get the Decoded crew and your actor and you can have the very same event you want with Jim. "we will just get in your way"

They were not attacks, Robert. I told him the reasons and those are mine to state whether you like it or not. Jim joined my forum and I sent him and email and was copied into all of this. Yes, I had several communications with him that was separate from being put into the conversation with all involved. that's how you reply? it's not my fault two emails were running. it's not my fault Bruce said what he said. Eric had his reasons as well. you should ask him vs speaking for him creating your own version of events. I din't put myself into this. Jim, did! nobody went on a email ambush. 99% of the emails had everyone included. what I didn't see was responses from you. plenty of them publicly? I didn't put myself into this!

 

It's very simple. I don't wish to be associated with you. again, that's my decision and mine alone. others agreed and had nothing to do with me. you seem to demand things like we all must get along with what you do? I'm from Florida, remember? why are you preaching to me since you believe I have no say in events? you speak in circles. you speak negative all year long until you need something. then you start begging. when that fails, you claim everyone is jealous. it's very obvious they are cries for acceptance. you even blackmailed posters to get back at me. you held your own posters on your forum hostage demanding I remove the ban on you. I don't owe you anything nor do I have too? you are a never ending drama queen. 

 

I was brought into the Mississippi dealings. you wrote "poison pens" with two events Eric did injecting yourself into something that wasn't any of your business. 

 

It's a never ending circle dealing with you that clogs these sites up. it's the reason I don't like coming here and post on my forum where it doesn't clog things up (off topic threads). this doesn't have that ability but doesn't stop you from taking up pages of drama people have to weed through to get Cooper material. over 5 years this has been going on with you. 

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Well, nobody's stopping you, are they? The truth is that you are obsessed with me. You bring up my name SO much at your own website you should rename it 'The Blevins Forum'. Or maybe to give equal time to Cooper, the Cooper-Blevins Experience...sort of like the old name for the Jimi Hendrix band.

 

Lol, that's backwards again. you haven't been the topic of discussion in a longtime. you have been mentioned with corrections. however, 3 names have been constantly mentioned here (not discussed) since the thread started back up again. believing you over run Cooper on my forum is an outright lie. anyone can see that. it's here the pages are full of nonsense. you have recently taken up full pages.I don't see any discussion, only remarks. it is what it is..

I don't have a problem with the camping trip at all. it's just not anything I do. I research the case. that's it. Flyjack is the main reason I check this site. he sticks to the rules and helps advance the case. his input into the case is a positive one. he's not always right, but who is. he's in the background like others trying to get answers about things while you install speed bumps slowing things down. no, I'm not talking about your trip either!

Now, if you wish to continue the discussion surrounding the Mississippi event I have a post ready to be made into a link instead of taking up space here so anyone can view the emails sent by Jim. you will not see any threats from Jim about warnings or lies. you will also see where you backed out of the event and have the typical tantrums and untruths that Jim remarks about. it's entirely up to you. I doubt anyone else is hanging on the edge of there seats over this.

I would also like to apologize to this thread for disrupting things that are not relevant to the case. I will also speak for MYSELF wishing everyone here a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

 

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You apologize for doing this, but offer to post a link, which the public can't see anyway because of your site policy...

 

 

Try to keep up, okay?

 

I said I didn't want to clog up this forum like you do posting endless nonsense. I will provide a working link here for all to read, you with me still? it will explain what occurred while I was merged into the event. Jim put me into this and never said what he wanted from me. I explained my position with you and the event. you don't like it, that's not my problem either. some people don't trust or care for YOU. the whole problem is YOU being rejected. deal with it!

 

I will post the working link after the holiday's. that will be on January 2, 2021. 

 

Robert, none of this belongs on here, period. it's you that is obsessed with all of this nonsense. post after post..you couldn't go one week posting here everyday without gossiping about the past. 

 

I'll be back on the 2nd. I have a party to go to. you should try to get out more often vs staying up all nite gossiping... :)

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Again, try to focus...several people, including myself rejected working with you. are you still there? Bruce rejected working with you. during this period you quit several times.. actually, I wasn't part of anything. Bruce was asked and given all the information. I simply gave my reasons why I didn't want to get involved. Eric also stated a few things that were directed towards your actions. I could care less who's event it actually was. I didn't want to be associated with you. why is this so hard to understand? 

The emails were sent to me and I replied to them. you are encroaching on things that were really none of your business with the exception of the one's that were copied or CC'd with your name attached. the event fell apart because of all the bickering. you know all about that. it always runs side by side with you. it's a never ending loop. I know for a fact you sent way too many emails to Jim. we have a very bad history and it's written in stone.everyone gets along with NO problem with every event Eric holds. zero bickering or drama.

We will never work together on anything. I don't like speaking for others as you do but I believe Bruce feels the same way. you can probably include Eric as well and probably a few others. Bruce asked you many times to stop emailing him. you never learn.

In closing, my opinion is you don't do anything to forward the case. you whine and complain about everyone, you strike quickly when suspects come into the discussion. you are the most negative person I have ever crossed. perhaps it's the reason you get bypassed. you get brought up on my forum to correct falsehoods. you are not, and haven't been the topic in years. you still have a book you profit from with author known misinformation  in it. I'm not going to read that novel you wrote.

It's Christmas...give it a break. Good night. sorry, good morning. 

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Robert, this is ridiculous, Jim asked us to try and work with you. I never said it was your event. you were tied to it. 6 months, remember? that goes back previous to Eric's event. Mississippi studios kind of gives it away, no?

Jim..March 2019

I understand why you’re at odds with Blevins. I’d love to see you all basically ignore each other except with regard to discussing theories and facts of the case. Hopefully you’ll figure out a way to do that,

Now, you keep claiming people from my forum email you. either tell who they were or this will be labeled as misinformation.

I didn't screw up anything. I have the right to speak my mind. especially in my emails.

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march 2019

Shutter

Listen folks. I gave you my thoughts last week about this event and why I don't wish to get involved. Mr. Blevins has sent me 3 emails basically threatening me to get involved or get out? just 4 days ago he posted this on The Mountain News

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"Bruce: Stop worrying. AB has withdrawn from participation in this year’s convention. I already sent a notice to Jim and Eric about it. No need to go into details. We just decided it was best."

 

Continued

I never realized I was involved in any of this? 

Jim responds 

Hi Gents, 

I’d like to do an event where all the “prevailing” theories are present but I’m learning that other factors outweigh this. I hear you on this, Dave. 

I didn’t threaten to bail. But as I told the group, I am not interested in navigating a minefield here. I’m asking all of you to figure out an event. From my email conversations with you, Bruce, Eric and others, I arrived at Eric as being the most appropriate person to put together as inclusive event as possible. 

I’m still hoping that’s happening. I know that Blevins has changed his mind a few times but I’d still like him to present, because the Christensen theory seems like one of the theories that makes some sense and has public appeal (I love several of the theories - Sheridan, Reca, Unsolved, Rackstraw, even FBI and aliens, it’s all fun and thought-provoking entertainment). 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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They weren't JUST going to Jim, you know. They were also going to others who had offered their support for the event. Just the trashiest stuff you can imagine. And every one of the people who did that...were members of YOUR website.

2nd attempt. This is a serious accusation. you either post the names or admit it's false. you are making this public knowledge with no proof what so ever. you can't make accusations like that without showing the cards. I think everyone reading this would agree, Robert. 

You are saying if I contact anyone involved they would support your statement, including Jim? how did they know exactly who to contact? I never told people who was involved  if they are people not on my emails how did people find out who to contact? most of this wasn't public knowledge..you jump at chances like this.

Again, you made this public knowledge and need to supply the names or it represents more malice on your behalf. why protect them, it makes no sense?

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Nah. I'm not posting any names.

Just what I expected from someone dishonest. You don't make accusations like that without showing any proof. you would go through the roof if reversed.

Some people just don't want to work with you. it's all part of life. It's a matter of principle. you turn it into a need. "we just get in the way" so, what's the problem? you can't even be truthful about that. 

People can read the story on the WORKING link below.

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FFVKtFCOZh7gAWPypZacu7Dtxtuc2QdK/view?usp=sharing

Edited December 26, 2020 by mrshutter45

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Round 3,000

Correction: I quoted Robert wrong in his reply finding a backdoor avenue..This is the actual quote.

You forgot to pre-ban me. Maybe you should get on that. Sincerely, Robert

 

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s1zZJfj5eM8F130AM5tvCoJWlwftUEIY/view?usp=sharing

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3rd attempt. This is a serious accusation. you either post the names or admit it's false. you are making this public knowledge with no proof what so ever. you can't make accusations like that without showing the cards. I think everyone reading this would agree, Robert. 

Soon will be posted as a lie elsewhere. no choice left.

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Names, Robert. not emails. You, Robert M Blevins  claim to know exactly who they are. "they all are from your forum" You made this allegation public. name dropping is your game. 

Either announce the names or retract the allegation. pretty simple..

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iugXRWZck9A4eNH02WGjM4VeR3jMcgFy/view?usp=sharing

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You made the accusations public. you need to include the names. the emails are not relevant at the moment. 

Stop asking me for favors when you refuse to either admit it's not true or identify those involved.

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The emails are MORE than relevant. They are the proof. You can't just toss around names without any proof, and I'm not posting folks' personal emails at DZ. Not for you, not for anyone. Not in a case like this. 

You mean like accusing someone without any proof kind of thing, isn't that exactly what you did? Is that more of that giving it straight? You are lying your ass off. You've been lying about this for days. when are you going to man up and take responsibility for your actions that insult me and my forum? 

The quote you gave about Jim doesn't sound like him either nor does he use caps. only you do that!

The question will be asked everytime you post.

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I didn’t threaten to bail. But as I told the group, I am not interested in navigating a minefield here. I’m asking all of you to figure out an event. From my email conversations with you, Bruce, Eric and others, I arrived at Eric as being the most appropriate person to put together as inclusive event as possible.

I found nothing remotely close to what you quoted. Jim doesn't use caps in words, you do nor does his vocabulary fit "I'm out" the above is a quote from Jim and screenshots can be provided..

Other comments from Jim 

Hi Dave, I’m sure that the group will cook something good up, still!

I’m just diminishing my role and don’t wish to get involved with the “Story” just yet –I’m just an entertainer/venue owner. Hope to meet you at the event, however it ends up landing!

JIm

The quote you provided doesn't fit Jim's vocab..since you believe I have the email. I'll unblock so you can send the email from Jim? I already know you will back out of this as well.

 

The real question remains is lying about people from my forum sending you emails. you love to expose people and yet you now refuse. it's a lie from this point on. 

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They weren't JUST going to Jim, you know. They were also going to others who had offered their support for the event. Just the trashiest stuff you can imagine. And every one of the people who did that...were members of YOUR website.

What does that say, Robert. You are lying again. See how you use full caps with full words. Jim doesn't do that either. all you do is lie Robert. did you remove that part I quoted?

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You are funny indeed. The quote from Jim was from a group email that you received as well. Remember now? Maybe using all caps on that one word, 'HOPE,' he was trying to get a point across or something. You keep asking for proof

I never received an email like that. the only way to prove this is to forward the email. just like the names I'm sure you won't do anything as simple as that either. Yes, I will remove the block.

1) provide the names that you clearly stated sent emails.

2) Forward the email with the quote you claim I also received.

Two very simple things to do in proving these allegations.

Edited December 27, 2020 by mrshutter45