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The FBI followed up on a couple of the jump cards, maybe 8 or so. Those 302s are somewhere, I’d have to check my notes. They interviewed a few people. 
 

Max Gunther writes a section in his book that is so close to what is in the 302s, that he either had contacts at Elsinore, in the FBI, or he was talking to DB Cooper or someone who had inside info about Elsinore. 
 

 

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I found a very interesting story (Well done article with several pictures) of cooper copycat Martin McNally on June 23 1972.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/history/june-23-1972-youre-not-going-to-believe-this-a-bizarre-hijacking-at-lambert/article_1aac5de6-6eb4-5245-a126-7adf324d5eb2.html

McNally boarded a 727 with a sub machine gun in a trombone case.  He showed it to the stewardess...wanted 5 parachutes and 500k.  Before the plane could take off, the landing gear was rammed by a man in a car at 80 mph,  the man had driven his Cadillac through the airport fence. The man saw the hijacking on a TV at the airport and got mad. The man later said he did not remember the incident and ran for President a few years later.

McNally demanded another 727.  He got it and walked the hostages to the other plane while hiding from FBI snipers amongst the hostages.  The plane took off and he bailed over Peru Indiana at 8k feet.  FBI found the gun and money in a open field but not McNally.

FBI did get a fingerprint and traced the fingerprint to McNally who had been a Navy sailor where his fingerprints were on file.  McNally was arrested walking on a street near his home in Detroit with 13 dollars in his pocket.

Five tears later In 1978 McNally was involved in a failed helicopter prison escape.

McNally was paroled in 2010 at age 67.

Reality is stranger than fiction.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Coopy said:

I found a very interesting story (Well done article with several pictures) of cooper copycat Martin McNally on June 23 1973.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/history/june-23-1972-youre-not-going-to-believe-this-a-bizarre-hijacking-at-lambert/article_1aac5de6-6eb4-5245-a126-7adf324d5eb2.html

McNally boarded a 727 with a sub machine gun in a trombone case.  He showed it to the stewardess...wanted 5 parachutes and 500k.  Before the plane could take off, the landing gear was rammed by a man in a car at 80 mph,  the man had driven his Cadillac through the airport fence. The man saw the hijacking on a TV at the airport and got mad. The man later said he did not remember the incident and ran for President a few years later.

McNally demanded another 727.  He got it and walked the hostages to the other plane while hiding from FBI snipers amongst the hostages.  The plane took off and he bailed over Peru Indiana at 8k feet.  FBI found the gun and money in a open field but not McNally.

FBI did get a fingerprint and traced the fingerprint to McNally who had been a Navy sailor where his fingerprints were on file.  McNally was arrested walking on a street near his home in Detroit with 13 dollars in his pocket.

Five tears later In 1978 McNally was involved in a failed helicopter prison escape.

McNally was paroled in 2010 at age 67.

Reality is stranger than fiction.

 

 

McNally audio interview 2 parts..

https://www.burnerphonepodcast.com/burnerphonenavigation/2018/7/18/edward-j-mcnally-former-hijacker

https://www.burnerphonepodcast.com/burnerphonenavigation/2018/7/25/martin-j-mcnally-former-hijacker-part-2

 

He lost the money in the jump and vowed to do it again.. got arrested.

It was his first jump.

He gave generous $$$ to stew..

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1 hour ago, FLYJACK said:

McNally audio interview 2 parts..

https://www.burnerphonepodcast.com/burnerphonenavigation/2018/7/18/edward-j-mcnally-former-hijacker

https://www.burnerphonepodcast.com/burnerphonenavigation/2018/7/25/martin-j-mcnally-former-hijacker-part-2

 

He lost the money in the jump and vowed to do it again.. got arrested.

It was his first jump.

He gave generous $$$ to stew..

Very interesting interview.

Makes you wonder if Cooper was something like McNally.

McNally seems dumb and smart at the same time.  Maybe a wannabe wise guy type.

I read at DB Cooper.com that McNally used a front parachute.  Part of the reason he suffered the facial injuries.

 

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Looks like we’re headed for a lock, my two cents. In 1993 I was 4 wheeling on sauvies island, I hopped out of the truck to take a piss. Looking at a pile of sand I saw a thin cable sticking out. I pulled on it and out came a rectangle made out of round stock with the cable attached to the middle of one side. I thought what the hell is this?and tossed it. Ten years later I became a sky diver, what I found that day was a handle! From where when or how I have no idea, food for thought.  Blues. Jerry

 

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So, the family and I have spent the last couple of days in Pigeon Forge, TN. One of the attractions that we visited today was the Alcatraz East Crime Museum. It's a pretty neat visit that chronicles a large amount of historical crimes. Among the things there is the actual Ford Bronco that OJ Simpson was riding in during the famous and perhaps most slowest police chase ever. The Volkswagen beetle belonging to Ted Bundy is also on display there as well. One of the more interesting things that I saw, was a piece of flooring from the house where Jesse James was shot and killed. The flooring had blood stains from James' blood. Our friend, Mr. Cooper was also represented:
 

 

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A doctor examines Coopers mental health and personality.  To me it sounds accurate.

About halfway he starts his analysis.  He thinks Cooper was a loner, on a suicide mission and wanted to go out with a bang into history.  Knowing he could not spend the money and being not equipped to survive the fall or make it out of wherever he landed.

 

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20 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

, I hover the mouse over his name...and then put his latest persona on the Ignore function. Works great. :handok:

Thanks, works great.

I wonder if I can sue Derek for sexual harassment by exposing me continually to porn pictures.

I am sure he has the time to show up for court..  

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16 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

After much thought, I have some observations and have a made a couple of decisions regarding the Cooper thread at Dropzone. 

Although I could continue to put Derek the Spammer on the ignore list so I don't have to read his posts, I don't think this thread serves any further purpose. 

For one thing, it certainly consumes more bandwidth for Dropzone's owners than any other single thread. Now it is made worse by the forced hosting of thousands of pictures by Derek the Spammer, none of which serve a purpose. Due to things such as this, the thread was previously closed by DZ admins for five years. It was then reopened, but obviously its become a failed experiment. Few, if any people participate, and that includes most of the known people in Cooperland, who no longer use this spot for discussions on the Cooper case. 

I have recommended to DZ admin that because of the ongoing problems with Derek, the lack of traffic, and other factors, that they PERMANENTLY delete this thread. By doing this, they will not only save themselves money paying for all that bandwidth, but rid themselves of Derek's ongoing spam attacks at the same time. 

I am sure that many long-term skydivers who hang out at Dropzone will agree with me. The thread was given a second chance already, and it is a failed experiment. In fact, the situation is worse. If you are a skydiver, and an active member of Dropzone, I am sure you will agree with me. The thread should be deleted, once and for all. It really serves no useful purpose, and has become a target instead. Most of the people who still investigate the DB Cooper case no longer post here anyway, with a couple of exceptions. And those few exceptions, coupled with the persistent attacks by Derek, make it an easy decision for Dropzone admins, in my humble opinion. In fact, I have sent them a message giving them the reasons for my opinion. They are the same ones you are reading now. 

Further, Dropzone is no longer the be-all and end-all for discussions in the Cooper case. Over at the Quora Space on Cooper, there are nearly 2,000 followers signed up for the feed, which means every article or post to the Space goes out by email to everyone on that list. When I add my personal followers at Quora, they go to more than 2,500 people. On a personal level, I reach many more people regarding the Cooper case via Quora and WordPress, than is possible through Dropzone. My content views at Quora now exceed THREE MILLION in a three-year period, approximately. Some of you won't believe this, so I have posted a picture of my profile at Quora below for you:

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And to be frank about it, for me to post anything further here Cooper-related is pointless. WordPress Cooper views are way up. My Quora content is over a million views a year. And after all of that, there isn't much participation by anyone at this Dropzone thread anymore, including the most well-known names investigating the case. (Can't say I blame them, especially lately.) 

The bottom line is that this thread, and its more than 60,000 posts has reached the end of its useful life. But someone has to pay the bill for all that bandwidth to keep it going. It makes no sense for Dropzone to keep paying for all that bandwidth on a thread that is not used, that is under a persistent spam attack, and was already given a second chance. It has become both a waste of money and a waste of bandwidth. It should be deleted. 

I'm pretty sure most Dropzone users will agree with my opinion on this. Many have already called for the thread to be deleted permanently. It was given two chances. To pay for it further is senseless. I have already linked DZ admins to this post. 

Be assured that to make my point more valid...Derek Godsey the spammer will now post up more spams and unwanted content in an effort to 'bury' this post. That should be the thing that finally puts my suggestion over the top with the Admin. 

On a personal note, I do appreciate the chance I had to make over 8,000 posts to the Cooper thread, but I'm okay with all of them disappearing from Dropzone. The discussions on the Cooper case long ago moved elsewhere anyway. They've showed much patience over many years even hosting this thread, and I appreciate it...but it's time to move on. 

If anyone reading this has comments or questions, don't post them publicly here. I won't answer you. PM or email me with anything like that you may have. This weekend I am creating a new page at the main AB of Seattle website showing all the available options to discuss or post on the Cooper case if you wish. There is also Shutter's site, aka The DB Cooper Forum, and Derek the Spammer is not...and will never be...a part of that. Neither will he be showing up at any of AB's public outlets on the case. 

I have also gone public on Speakers Corner about this issue. You can see my thread about that HERE.

(A link to this post has been sent to the Administrator at Dropzone) 

Sincerely, 
Robert Blevins, Adventure Books of Seattle 

 

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12 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Like Bruce Willis said in that movie, "I got ENOUGH friends..." ^.^

I'm not a dude. I can actually RIDE a horse. Locking the thread works for me as well, although I had to Google up IBTL to see what it meant. Haven't heard In Before The Lock before. Clever. 

I say lock the thread to new users that can post and get rid of Derek the idiot.  Open back to new posting users at a later date.

BTW....I cannot see Derek the idiot posts....haha

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Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exist two explanations for an occurrence. In this case the one that requires the smallest number of assumptions is usually correct. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation.

I wonder if we can apply Occam's razor to the Cooper Case...I like to call it the path of least resistance to an outcome.

Either Cooper died due to the fall or he survived and got away.

Law Enforcement probably wants the case to go away and went with the Cooper died theory.

Armchair detectives wanna think he got away with the caper and beat the system.

He died due to the fall....

This makes much sense at first glance.  It appears he was ill prepared when he jumped into a raging storm with temps at -60 degrees.  It appears he was not prepared to survive the wilderness if he survived the jumped.  If he landed in lake Merwin he could have taken everything down with him to the bottom and that is why nothing from Cooper has been found except for the Tina Bar money that might have dropped into the water during the sky dive or dislodged eventually from his dead body at the bottom of a lake or river.

He survived and got away...

This make more sense with more thought.  How often does a body, parachute, briefcase or bag of money cannot be found in a pretty narrow area searched by thousands of LE?  I guess it depends on the terrain.  I remember the Green River killer was able to hide many bodies in the northwest but he was purposely doing so.  Cooper body (if he died) was not hidden....it just went splat or he maybe died shortly after the skydive.  Cooper not spending the money can be understood if he had any inkling the Serial Numbers were recorded.

Using Occam's razor it appears the outcome was he died IMO.  The path of least resistance is when he jumped, it was too cold after free falling for about 15 seconds? to pull the ripcord and he plummeted into Lake Merwin or another water source like a bullet.  He plummeted to the bottom of the water source where his body got lodged to the bottom.  Much like Mr. H thinks happens.

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15 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

One of the main reasons I don't think Cooper died is because no one has found a scrap of evidence out there in fifty years showing that this is what happened to him.

I forgot to mention nobody we know of filed a missing persons report or reported anyone missing afterwards that met Cooper's description.  Maybe one person was listed missing....I forgot who he was.  Another PRO for him surviving.

On the other hand......If he was an American Citizen....

If the dead body has not been found yet and Cooper was about 45 in 1971.  He would be about 95 now.  

If Cooper died (body never found) or disappeared.....

The oldest man to ever live in the USA was 112 and the World is 115.

So maybe we can start looking for very old males in a few years who are in Social Security databases listed as living.  BUT they cannot be found upon further investigation.

There are Social Security databases online.

Seems like the FBI could get Social Security to do an audit like this.  It would be a Win-Win for both government entities.

BTW....per SSA....a qualified claimant must wait 7 years after the documented disappearance of a person to claim that person's benefits.

https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0200304050

 

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7 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Pretty late here, but I wanted to address a couple of things I've seen today regarding the situation on the upcoming Cooper movie. I see a few misconceptions, whether deliberate or from stupidity I am not sure. 

  • First, I would like to thank Dudeman17 for his minor vote of support over at the DB Cooper Forum. He's right. Sometimes it takes years to get a motion picture off the ground...and then when the Coronavirus hits and everything is frozen nationwide...it can take a bit longer. 
     
  • I haven't lied to anyone about ANYTHING regarding this movie. There are illustrated posts about it on WordPress Cooper. There are at least two videos at YouTube, if anyone cares to look. If you were misdirected, it was probably because I didn't trust you, or you are known to lie about me occasionally. Or I figured it was none of your business. I'm under a strict confidentiality agreement regarding the movie. Some stuff I can tell you, some stuff I can't. 
     
  • Shutter over at the Cooper Forum thinks I should show the contract that was offered to Bruce Smith, and just redact out the names of the production companies. My answer to that is simple. It would be useless. And Smith had his chance. He was contacted for over six months and responded in the negative, when he even bothered to respond. In the meantime, he was allowing really filthy posts at the Mountain News that went personal on people involved in the Cooper case. Some still exist there today. Certain people saw those posts. He dismissed my offer and demanded to speak to the production company execs on his own. They rejected this completely. They told me it was MY job to select who would do the historical fact-checking stuff on the final script. They weren't going to contact him personally unless he at least considered the job. Mr Brainiac didn't even bother to ask to see the contract. Most of my emails to him were ignored or answered flippantly. Unprofessional, and foolish. I thought Bruce would be the best choice, and frankly....he is a Northwest neighbor and I thought cutting him into the whole process would benefit him. He rejected everything. Someone else was given the job instead. 
     
  • Marty Andrade was also offered the script-checking job. But I respect the guy because of his honest answer. Marty told me that he had been burned by other media, and was reluctant to take the assignment. I sent him a polite response and didn't ask him again. If you don't believe that, ask him yourself. 
     
  • Shutter has said I lied regarding who was chosen as the final main screenwriter. Or something like that. Early on, a virtual ton of people were under consideration to do the script. This selection was not my job, so I didn't know every tiny detail in the process. The head of a certain studio wanted someone selected from his stable of writers. The other production company wanted an independent writer. They finally figured it out. I have seen the script. Because of the Coronavirus, some people are working on it further, including me. I'm doing hard copies, blue pencil, and snail mail. The other guys are doing Final Draft. It's all working out fine. The person selected for the job offered first to Bruce Smith will be the second-to-last person to view the final script. As you can imagine, this picture is being produced under a great deal of confidentiality, and so far everyone has managed to (mostly) keep their mouths shut. We sometimes discuss this, and I occasionally bitch that SOME announcement should be made. They were about to, but then Covid tossed a wrench into the whole thing. My next option payment is in August and they've never failed on that. I may ask for an announcement in the trades as part of that deal. I don't like keeping all the secrets and being called a liar, although I can understand why some people might say that. It's been discussed, trust me. 

Don't forget about me Robert. You offered me the job, I accepted, then you took it away from me because I was going to participate in CooperCon.

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On 7/14/2020 at 9:15 AM, Coopy said:

Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exist two explanations for an occurrence. In this case the one that requires the smallest number of assumptions is usually correct. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation.

I wonder if we can apply Occam's razor to the Cooper Case...I like to call it the path of least resistance to an outcome.

Either Cooper died due to the fall or he survived and got away.

 

I don't think that you can use Occam's Razor here. There are too many unknowns. There are probably certain aspects of the case where you could do that, but to try and determine Cooper's fate through Occam's Razor, is a crap shoot, at best.

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I searched the Social Security death database 1900 - 2011 for DB Cooper not expecting to find anything.  (He went by Dan Cooper anyways) at least via his Plane Ticket.

There is only one DB Cooper in 111 years of SSA information and he? happen to be about the same age of Cooper....born in 1928......43 in 1971.

SS#            Birth          Death       Surname   Given Name

167249360 08051928 01001988 COOPER D B

Really odd to see his death certification only give the initials DB for his first and middle name.  This is very rare.  As the First name is almost always spelled out.  Maybe a DB Cooper fan?

Born 1928 in Penn. and died 1988 in South Carolina.

I wonder if he was investigated and that is how media got it wrong and DB Cooper stuck.

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1 hour ago, Coopy said:

I searched the Social Security death database 1900 - 2011 for DB Cooper not expecting to find anything.  (He went by Dan Cooper anyways) at least via his Plane Ticket.

There is only one DB Cooper in 111 years of SSA information and he? happen to be about the same age of Cooper....born in 1928......43 in 1971.

SS#            Birth          Death       Surname   Given Name

167249360 08051928 01001988 COOPER D B

Really odd to see his death certification only give the initials DB for his first and middle name.  This is very rare.  As the First name is almost always spelled out.  Maybe a DB Cooper fan?

Born 1928 in Penn. and died 1988 in South Carolina.

I wonder if he was investigated and that is how media got it wrong and DB Cooper stuck.

Cooper gave the name "Dan Cooper", "D B" was an error by the media.

 

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14 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Since I see no one else (except yours truly) has the guts, and has taken the time to stand up against the spammer, I don't see the purpose of going on alone with it. None of you have a bit of courage, none of you have any guts. 

 

Robert, this isn't true. I have put my two cents in, but done so privately which in my opinion is the best way to do it. When you continuously poke at the spammer every day, it just makes him do it more, and I can't help but think that you know that.

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