FLYJACK 654 #53526 November 10, 2019 (edited) The normal 727-200 exterior emergency handle says push red handle up.. but, from the 727-100 manual The interior emergency access cover (one with finger holes) "Emergency Use Only, Airstair Extension, Pull To Remove Cover" The exterior emergency access "Emergency Exit Handle, Aft Airstairs" both have "pull" on the handle. Edited November 10, 2019 by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 654 #53527 November 10, 2019 Eric Ulis wrote.. "I have no issue with the wording. It is a door whether it's on a hinge or not. Nonetheless, Boeing verified this placard described the use of the emergency airstair release behind the two-hole door/panel." This is a false claim,, though I believe Boeing told Eric the placard was from near the aft door. The Hicks Placard number is BAC27DPA-152. This 727 very similar Emergency Airstair decal is BAC27DPA-182.... Did Boeing mix them up?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #53528 November 10, 2019 They are stenciled on...painted.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #53529 November 10, 2019 It's no mix up. they were supplied the Hicks decal through a fax. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 654 #53530 November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, mrshutter45 said: They are stenciled on...painted.. The stencil is not the decal in question there is also an instruction decal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 654 #53531 November 10, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mrshutter45 said: It's no mix up. they were supplied the Hicks decal through a fax. You don't know that, you have no way to know that. Those decals are very similar and the part number is one digit different a mixup somewhere is possible. Edited November 10, 2019 by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #53532 November 10, 2019 (edited) It's in the 302's. why wouldn't they. you are trying to change something documented..they also had the blueprints.. Edited November 10, 2019 by mrshutter45 wireless keyboard missing letters.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 654 #53533 November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, mrshutter45 said: It's in the 302's. why wouldn't they. you are trying to change something documented.. You make no sense.. I am not changing the documented 302. Why don't you go and get Eric to clarify his claim... "Boeing verified this placard described the use of the emergency airstair release behind the two-hole door/panel." I think he just made it up... but if it is true it is very important. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #53534 November 10, 2019 (edited) You rely a lot on the newspaper reports why don't you believe the fact of Boeing verifying it was in the stairwell? Hominid claims designs were constantly changing with Boeing and the airlines changing the planes. none were the same. Edited November 10, 2019 by mrshutter45 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #53535 November 10, 2019 It's not going to be behind the two hole panel..where do you keep getting this? the handle is there.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #53536 November 10, 2019 (edited) Was the money and equipment on his shoulders. that's where it would have to be for anything to tear it off the wall...Is Campbell a pilot. just because he lives in a plane doesn't mean he knows about placards. The controls are above the waste area in reach with your hands..a railing is also on the wall.. Edited November 10, 2019 by mrshutter45 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #53537 November 10, 2019 It's possible they loosen with weather but we see many placards still in place in the stairwell after being taken out of service and privately owned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 654 #53538 November 10, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, mrshutter45 said: It's not going to be behind the two hole panel..where do you keep getting this? the handle is there.. I can't take this anymore, you are so confused I am losing my patience.. First, there are TWO panels, the outer one with the finger holes and inner one, a flange. The red handle is behind TWO panels. Second, ERIC made this claim on your forum and nobody questioned it.. I think he made it up.. "Boeing verified this placard described the use of the emergency airstair release behind the two-hole door/panel." Edited November 10, 2019 by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 654 #53539 November 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said: I got an extensive email response from Campbell, the man living in the 727 down in Hillsboro, OR. I sent him the article showing the picture of the Hicks placard and asked his opinion on how it may have arrived there, etc. His message is too long to reproduce here. So just the main part below: (In other words, human intervention may have been involved in its removal, which is my take on his comments.) There are several versions of emergency airstairs decals on the 727, we know that one goes right on the main panel, it isn't the Hicks decal. His plane is a 727-200, a different system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 654 #53540 November 10, 2019 30 minutes ago, mrshutter45 said: You rely a lot on the newspaper reports why don't you believe the fact of Boeing verifying it was in the stairwell? Hominid claims designs were constantly changing with Boeing and the airlines changing the planes. none were the same. I haven't rejected anything,,, just because I challenge something doesn't mean I have rejected it.. that is what amateurs do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 654 #53541 November 10, 2019 This is getting interesting now,,, we have this narrowed down, a binary.. Either Eric is lying/exaggerating about Boeing confirming the placard being behind the two holed panel OR if true, the FBI lied about almost all the placard info they released and they must have known Cooper pulled the emergency system and removed the access panels. This was my very first suspicion, the placard was attached to the second panel and it went out of the plane on that panel. On the other hand, if Eric's claim is false we are back to square one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #53542 November 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said: Electrical engineer. Some hints on his website (such as a link to the latest price of Boeing stock) indicates he may be retired Boeing worker. I'm sure he would of mentioned working for Boeing.,...you have his email. ask him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 654 #53543 November 10, 2019 Eric's response was vague,, He needs to be asked directly,, DID BOEING SPECIFICALLY CONFIRM THE "HICKS" DECAL CAME FROM BEHIND THE TWO HOLED EMERGENCY PANEL? yes or no Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #53544 November 10, 2019 (edited) That comment was not called for by any means. you are the one who made the contact. you are the one who stated he might of worked for Boeing. out of nowhere you decide to make a rude judgmental comment. Edited November 10, 2019 by mrshutter45 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #53545 November 10, 2019 That's fine. I'll remember this in the future. no big deal.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #53546 November 10, 2019 (edited) leave the politics off the forum. it has nothing to do with the case. nobody is bothering you, nobody is talking about you. it's only you that keeps this alive..we are discussing the case on my forum. something you should try and do.. Edited November 10, 2019 by mrshutter45 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 654 #53547 November 10, 2019 (edited) I have always been interested in this interview with Loren Peterson.. http://www.washingtonhistory.org/collections/item.aspx?irn=123428&record=20 Most people have discounted his entire account as he claimed he counted the bundles of money and it totalled $250,000. We know that isn't correct. He also drifts between his experience and what he heard about the case.. hard to parse. However, if the bundles were banded in 4 x packets (100 bills) = $8000 per bundle X 25 bundles. He may have assumed 5 x packets (100 bills) = $10,000 per bundle X 25 bundles, that equals $250,000. In other words, he accurately counted 25 bundles but at $10,000 each instead of 25 bundles at $8,000 each. That may be why he got $250,000 instead of $200,000.. but that means they weren't random. You can't really count random sized bundles. He also explains how he opened the money bag, repacked it and tied it up before it went to the plane. and they forgot to sign for the money... Edited November 10, 2019 by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #53548 November 10, 2019 Eric is having a conference. I have nothing to do with it. I'm not going to the conference either. if you don't like it, then don't go. it's very simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 654 #53549 November 10, 2019 Shutter, You should get to the bottom of Eric's decal claim (Boeing confirming it was from behind the two hole panel), if true it is crucial and means the FBI is lying about the decal. If Cooper accessed that inner panel the FBI had to know about it.. and we are being played. If false, Eric is just exaggerating again. Eric won't answer my questions. He doesn't seem to like tough questions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 654 #53550 November 10, 2019 (edited) The purpose of the WSHM wasn't to investigate the Cooper case, they were informative for the exhibit. Some of the information does add to the body of evidence and it would not exist otherwise. Sure, investigative interviews would be handled differently. Bill Mitchell.. http://www.washingtonhistory.org/collections/item.aspx?irn=122559 Edited November 10, 2019 by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites