47 47
quade

DB Cooper

Recommended Posts

skyjack71

I have talked about these things - but understand my mind goes in several directions at one time. I should have ignored all others & have kept telling the story without responding to others....

I should have stayed the course many yrs ago not waivering or letting myself fall in the conversation - I would be going in a direction & get off track...



Maam, I agree with this. If you have a story...you stick to telling it the way you want. There's always gonna be people who'll believe and not believe...how does a make a difference to you?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
RobertMBlevins

***Bruce,

*In reality, I would not review Bruce's book. There would be much wailing and knashing of teeth if I did, along with the usual accusations that I was giving him a poor review because of Into The Blast. However, my cat Hobo has expressed an interest in doing a review. Unfortunately, I told him he couldn't, because as our Official Office Cat he is also associated with Adventure Books. B|



ROFL :ph34r::ph34r::D this forum is fast becoming my favorite stress buster

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
thousandthings

***

Duane Weber on more than one occassion was for periods of time exposed to Rock Climing, Skiing (but he was better at Ice Skating), survival in cold moutain settings and paratrooper training. I knew its and bits of the story of those yrs, but it took recent findings to be able to see it clearly and present it in such a way the FBI nor the Goverment could continue to deny Duane Weber had the actual training and opportunity I have maintained for yrs.

Sorry it took me 20 yrs to find this but that was how GOD designed it. I wasn't supposed to know - but, my renewed faith has given me a GIFT.

Yes, those cook books played a very important part of all of this - the GOD part. Where they books left on the plane by family members or was that something Cooked UP buy the writer Cook...I never knew who instigated the enquiry or it it even happened.



Hmm.. I get the connection now.

I think there's more to his life than the Dan Cooper angle. I mean if the guy has cooked up so much...may be he did this confession as well. Or maybe he said it for you to start digging about his life after he was gone.... kinda his way that u deserve to know the truth.

But again if you keep turning I am sure you will land up at bizarre in his life.

Thousandthings,

Jo Weber and Blevins main purpose, and perhaps sole purpose, in life is to post nonsense on this thread.

Reportedly, Jo and Duane Weber became interested in the Cooper hijacking when another escaped airline hijacker (Richard McCoy?) was killed in a shoot out with the FBI when they tried to arrest him in the city where Jo and Duane then lived.

Jo and Duane then reportedly did some checking into the DB Cooper hijacking but nothing became public until after Duane died in 1995 and then over a year later when Jo started claiming that Duane had said a few days before his death that he was Cooper.

Jo's story about Duane is pure baloney. Jo can't even prove that Duane Weber was on the Planet Earth the day of the Cooper hijacking.

Blevins is apparently having a mid-life crisis and that led him to get involved with some other people in writing a book about a specific individual who they claim (and/or deny claiming) was DB Cooper. They have not produced a scintilla of evidence to support their allegations.

In fact Blevins' book was so poorly researched that his famous cat, Hobo, could have done the research, and probably did. If Blevins recent posts are to be believed, Hobo may be going to branch out and do reviews of other peoples books.

In the meantime, Blevins and Jo Weber are trying to set themselves up as the King and Queen of this thread. And woe to anyone who dares challenge their pronouncements.

Robert99

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Robt99 MADE THE STATEMENT BELOW!

"Jo Weber and Blevins main purpose, and perhaps sole purpose, in life is to post nonsense on this thread."


[:/]Jo replies - my only purpose is to understand Duane's confession and
his life...one I knew nothing about until I contacted the FBI regarding his confession.

"Reportedly, Jo and Duane Weber became interested in the Cooper hijacking when another escaped airline hijacker (Richard McCoy?) was killed in a shoot out with the FBI when they tried to arrest him in the city where Jo and Duane then lived."

>:( EXCUSE ME!

You went on to make the statement above which you know to be a lie and a direct attack on my integrity!


My reply to such an out landish
remark.

>:(
DUANE & I DID NOT MOVE
TO VIRGINAL BEACH UNTIL
1983. I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT
MCCOY UNTIL DUANE TOLD ME
NOR WAS IT OF ANY INTEREST
TO ME. ALL DUANE DID ON THAT
DAY WAS SHOW ME HOW TO
GET TO THE MALL & TO THE
GROCERY - THAT SITE JUST
HAPPENED TO BE ON THAT
ROUTE.

THE INCIDENT WAS NEVER
MENTIONED AGAIN BY WEBER.
WE LEFT VA IN 1989 BECAUSE
DUANE WENT OUT ON
DIABILITY.


JO DID NOT CHECK INTO
ANYTHING COOPER RELATED!
NOTHING. IOTA!

JO WEBER IS SETTING NOTHING
UP - IF I HAD BEEN DOING SO
I WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED THE
OFFERS MADE YRS AGO
REGARDING A MOVIE & A BOOK,
BUT I CHOSE TO KEEP
SEARCHING FOR MORE PROOF.
ALL I WANTED WAS THE TRUTH.
&
NOTHING MORE THAN THE TRUTH.

YOUR ENTIRE POSTING WAS
MADE UP JUST TO AGITATE - SO
WHY DO YOU EVEN COME TO
THIS THREAD?
..

YOU DO NOTHING BUT ATTACK
OTHERS - NOTHING!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
RobertMBlevins



. . . . .

And I think the most important bit of it, if you can single just one thing out of that presentation, is Kenny Christiansen's fingerprints.

. . . . .


80% of the Army Personnel records for the time period Kenny was in the Army were destroyed in the fire.

. . . . .

As you may know, Kenny did not have an arrest record and was not in the NCIC database.

. . . . .



Blevins,

Unless I have gone blind and become senile, some of KC's service records have already been posted on this thread.

You can't blame all of your problems on the fire you mentioned.

Further, what makes you so certain the FBI doesn't have KC's fingerprints already. He doesn't need to be a criminal to have his prints on file there.

A few decades back, I read a story about a young girl whose family toured the FBI's offices in Washington. As part of that tour she had her fingerprints taken during a demonstration. Several decades later, she died in some manner that I don't recall and those fingerprints were used to identify her.

I have always assumed that my fingerprints were on file at the FBI since I was about 15 years old. They were taken at that time as a requirement for me flying as a passenger on military aircraft.

Robert99

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
RobertMBlevins



Yes, his basic enlistment file and his DD214 have been posted. And we do have his right thumbprint, but that's about it right now. I personally could not obtain his full set of records. That is being done by Lyle Christiansen, but it takes a while...



Blevins,

Just exactly what do you think you are going to find in KC's full service records that would have any relevance to the Cooper hijacking?

You have said that you served in the Army. If you did, then surely you have some idea about what is in your own service records.

You are not going to find anything in KC's service records that will grow him from 5 feet 8 inches to 6 feet or change his eye color. Dream on!

Robert99

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
RobertMBlevins

******

Yes, his basic enlistment file and his DD214 have been posted. And we do have his right thumbprint, but that's about it right now. I personally could not obtain his full set of records. That is being done by Lyle Christiansen, but it takes a while...



Blevins,

Just exactly what do you think you are going to find in KC's full service records that would have any relevance to the Cooper hijacking?

You have said that you served in the Army. If you did, then surely you have some idea about what is in your own service records.

You are not going to find anything in KC's service records that will grow him from 5 feet 8 inches to 6 feet or change his eye color. Dream on!

Robert99

His prints. That's what we were looking for. I thought you would have figured that out by now...

As far as your reliance on the FBI's description as the Word of God on the matter...why don't you back off and let us do our job. You act as if you are afraid we might be right. Description notwithstanding, (which varies a bit depending on which witness was doing the telling) if they get a single match from Kenny's prints to one of the 56 they took from the plane...well...you can see where this is going.

I like how the witnesses described the Green River Killer so well. Turned out he wasn't six to six one either. Even the cops at the Task Force didn't recognize him when they called him to their office for the swab. With a warrant, no less. And his poster was right there on the wall. Go figure. :S

You keep calling me out for evidence on Christiansen. That's what we're presenting to the Seattle FBI pretty soon. Instead of knocking on that, you should be encouraging us. There hasn't been one serious submission on a suspect since Marla Cooper came to town. Try to understand something, Robert. This is going to happen whether you and your friends at Shutter's website like it or not. So either get behind it, (if you're really serious about finding out whether Kenny was Cooper or not) or just let it go and we will handle the rest. If you guys don't believe Kenny was the guy, well...here's your big chance to find out and maybe get him permenantly dismissed as a suspect in the case. Sure, we are hopeful we're right. We're also realistic about it. Chances are small we actually got it right. Personally, I'm tired of working on this and I intend to find out if he was Cooper or not...and FOR SURE this time. I don't understand why anyone interested in the case would not want us to do this. You're certainly tired of hearing about him, and I am just as tired of discussing him. Action is required to settle the question once and for all.

Blevins,

In case you haven't noticed, Cooper spent several hours in close contact with some people on the aircraft who were trained to be observant. And he didn't kill any of them. Not so with the Green River killer.

Be honest with yourself. Even if you have a full set of KC's fingerprints and his full DNA profile, and find no match whatsoever, you will still keep pushing your book in order to make another buck if you can.

Robert99

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I suggest some of u read this post & digest what I am telling and why Robt99 is so gun ho to shut me up!

The secrets are no longer secrets.
I am changing the posting but only to add things.

The bolds are where I changed thing for clarity and I removed some useless infomation,


skyjack71

Duanes - supposed Army Record:

March 31, 1943 to July 14, 1943 - did he get kicked out of the army or did they put him in a SPECIAL program..

Was he in prison - nope not until 1945.
April of 1943 a specialized Training program was made available for those who did NOT fit....seemingly else where.

Added:
There was a program created in CO and it also house Army prisoner and that is where he was sent for 2 months or more until he was officially discharged
.

Army Mountain Training Center & the 10th Mountain Division....Military prisoners where house there. Duane talked about this place & pointed out things in regards to it on one of out trips to the mountains of CO.

Prisoner were co-mingled with the active guys - the prisoners awaiting their discharge - enjoyed the same opportunities the other guys did.

Duane had an indirect family connection to one man there. A highly admired individual was stationed there & Duane knew him because of his family connections.

Duane was connected to this man thru his Great Aunt in Canada who was Swedish. I have a picture of her & her grave. Her last name was Kenyon but do not know what it was before or after.

Duane's Army military reads March 31, 1943 to July 14, 1943...problem is he was only there for 2 months in Camp Siebert. He was sent to Colorado for the duration until he was formally discharge....he was not official released until he was offically discharged in July.

Some how in all of this is the Columbia encarceration at a boys school, from which he seemingly escaped - even the government could never prove where he was until he ended up in CA & got sent to Mc Neil.

Records seemingly a shambles as he escaped - but where the hell was he.
Hiding in Plain site He was young & they needed the labor - he was one of the prisoner used in this mountain camp.

Can anyone find out the name of the man in the picture I will attach...I know what his name is, but the pic was made in CO & this young man went to Operation Market Garden & was wounded - I knew this man's history before I ever read about him yrs ago. Now there is MORE info about that camp than when I started this endeavor.

I had seen another photo amost like this one - but they were on the ground co-mingling with others. BUT, I had seen this actual phot picture before.

I had not idea that a prisoner still in the army was allowed to wear a uniform until officially discharged...I just thought I was seeing things....and didn't continue to persue it.

This was 2 months plus after he was sent out of Camp Siebert...& this man has on a uniform. I expect the wayward men there did more than labor. What some of them did changed their lives.

I also believe the man Duane went to see in Seattle may have been related to the man who became a hero and an accomplished person.

Like Duane he was a swimmer - Duane talked about this man, but only now do I know who the man was.. Remember that the man Duane went to see in WA in 1979 was Swedish also...like Aluana or Aluna or Alana - he worked in an office not far from the hotel we stayed in - it was supposedly in the same building that housed a News Paper or the guy worked for the New Paper in Seattle. That man is not the Swede I am speaking of in the thread, but probably related.

Duane's past is convoluted & like a jigsaw puzzle.


Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
At this date you will never get the complete file. With Weber the FBI had little to nothing. ONLY because of someone who went where others cannot go did we get what little information we did get....It just so happened that Duane's sister had some of the records & I cannot tell you or anyone how the others were obtain, but we did get them....yet, even those were skimpy - it would be yrs later we obtained records.

Some one who tried to obtain Duane's records was also told they where destroyed in a fire...but they were NOT! So we have a pretty damn good record of Duane's military files....but the FBI claimed Duane was never in the ARMY, but we had the papers sent to us by the family with his ARMY ID NUMBER on them....the letter he sent to his mother while in Camp Siebert in 1943.

Remember I tried to get more in 2000 I believe if I remember correctly - and the file came up CLASSIFIED. The man excused himself & then came back with a code - I was not privey to the file because I was NOT listed as a wife or mother...I looked at the man and told him - I was only 3 or 4 yrs old at the time of the records and did not marry Duane until 1978. I gave him the famiy names but he still would not give me any information and told me how to file for them....what we got from all of that was nothing other than both discharge papers which I ALREADY had....none of the detail records we had ALREADY acquire in a some what illegal mannery...from the navy.

I was looking for the ARMY papers & informed him I already had the Navy records - but needed the army records.

HIS Army records were CLASSIFIED - because I got a sneak look at the computer when he left the room.

Good Luck - if anyone can get them it would be Lyle and even he probably will not get them at this late date since Kenny did not have a wife or child.

The reason we wanted the Army records was BECAUSE the FBI had claimed DUANE WEBER was never in the ARMY! THIS is WHEN I took on the FBI and confronted the AGENT incharge. When he told me again Duane was never in the ARMY - I confronted him BIG time and then 3 hours later he calls back and said that they had his ARMY NUMBER WRONG....

DUH! They had a copy of what I had and that was obtained from his sister.

THE FBI's GOOF UP is WHY I went PUBLIC!

Otherwise Jo would never have spoke up, but WE caught the FBI in out and out lies! The agent then tried to convince the public they had the number wrong - HOW did they GET that Wrong! THEY had the single sheet of Paper I had regarding the ARMY and the NUMBER was on it.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
skyjack71

I suggest some of u read this post & digest what I am telling and why Robt99 is so gun ho to shut me up!

The secrets are no longer secrets.
I am changing the posting but only to add things.

The bolds are where I changed thing for clarity and I removed some useless infomation,

. . . . .

Prisoner were co-mingled with the active guys - the prisoners awaiting their discharge - enjoyed the same opportunities the other guys did.

. . . . .



Jo,

Your story gets more bizarre ever day.

"Prisoners" did not co-mingle with "non-prisoners". They mingled only with other prisoners in stockades and were under armed guard.

It doesn't make any difference whose Aunt Duane knew or whatever.

You are totally clueless as to how the military operated in the World War II era.

Robert99

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
skyjack71

With what the FBI has on their emails IF they even read them - is a finding NO ONE ever expected.

The information has been forwarded to all who matter & NO one in this thread.


I will provide you guys a hint if U really want to know the answers as to who Cooper REALLY was.

Hale, Colorado.....
Pictures are very very important.
I had researched this before yrs ago,
but now there is something there I had never seen & only told about by Weber.

U guys will recall that Weber was in Colorado & encarcerated....supposedly!
1960 to 1962 & formed a union with a woman in 1962 who he would divorce in 1972.

Immediately after release he spends a few wks with his sister & introduced to another world by his brother-in-law.

Do any of you have any idea where Weber was right after he was discharged from the Navy? Do any of you have any idea where Weber was from 1962 to 1964.

Why did the FBI conceal this or where they ordered to ignore it?

A man Duane knew was wounded & discharged New Yrs. 1945! A man Duane told me about - but, just figured it was just a story.

Remember all of those PATCHES Duane had when he died - the ones I sold to a collector at a garage sale after Weber died?

I am sure 377 remembers.

1943 there was some strange training going on in Colorado....guys who could not pass mustard because of their eye site or other problems - men who made good soldiers, because an organization came to their aid.

A special camp for special people.

Is there a picture of Weber in this camp?
How could that be? In 1943 there were many misfits placed in to specialized traing - some not considered physically capable due to such minor things as vision.

Is there a picture of Weber at this facility?
He definitely knew one of the other men in the picture....because he told me about him, but I didn't know who he was referring to until recently.

Was this the beginning of Weber's on again off again connections to another world?

The authorities will be given a dead line to identify the man in the picture - then I go public trying to find out the name that man used...somewhere there must be a record. I already knew the story yrs & yrs ago and one I tried to tell, but with NO proof.

The connections Weber made at this facility would involve him in other things in the 60's...

I wondered why Duane spoke of these things but I was trying to connect so many dots - and a lot of what is now public was not public 10 yrs ago. Most of the men are deceased and family members are telling their story...this story I already knew because it was a story Weber told me.

At one time I touched on this, but I did not have any physical proof or anything that could make a connection....

Afraid to say anymore in the event it will all go POOF! as so much had done that over the yrs...

Bad timing for me - but, perhaps that is why it is only now being made available...
I want to know MORE & I want to know why I was ignored regarding this - 18 yrs ago.

Old pictures have a way being made public that should never have been, because family members didn't themselves know the significance of the old photos...they were just photos shared by the family as they tell the story about their deceased and picture not intended to be made public. Just a guy sending pictures home to his family....

Of course he had no way to know that one young man would use what he learned to commit a skyjacking in 1971. They after all had been accepted in to a program that allowed them to serve the country they loved.

If there is one pic out there then there must be others & there must be records of some kind....there had to be names. We have no idea what name Weber may have been using.

Surely the CIA or FBI can pull the names of all individuals involved - surely they did not destroy all of the old files. Now we have approx dates and NO reason for the Government to continue to deny deny deny.

Perhaps because Weber was involved in other things after this approx 1943 thing. Remember he supposedly was not in McNeil & yet they used the McNeil prints per Ckret (Carr) & they still use the prints from 1945.


Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
HALE COLORADO - 1942 forward...things only now being told by the men who were there and the relative whose family members where there.


What is wrong Robert can you not read & research:


skyjack71

With what the FBI has on their emails IF they even read them - is a finding NO ONE ever expected.

The information has been forwarded to all who matter & NO one in this thread.

I will provide you guys a hint if U really want to know the answers as to who Cooper REALLY was.

Hale, Colorado.....
Pictures are very very important.
I had researched this before yrs ago,
but now there is something there I had never seen & only told about by Weber.


U guys will recall that Weber was in Colorado & encarcerated....supposedly!
1960 to 1962 & formed a union with a woman in 1962 who he would divorce in 1972.

Immediately after release he spends a few wks with his sister & introduced to another world by his brother-in-law.


GO BACK a FEW YRS Robert you need to be informed!

Do any of you have any idea where Weber was right after he was discharged from the Navy? Do any of you have any idea where Weber was from 1962 to 1964.

Why did the FBI conceal this or where they ordered to ignore it?

Now step back in time to 1942 and 1943 when Duane was at Camp Siebert.
Note that Duane was only at Camp Siebert for 2 months but NOT discharge and removed from that base only 2 months later - WHERE was he? Well, perhaps if you knew the history of HALE, you might figure it out. Duane was sent to Hale and remained there until the papers and his dimissal from the ARMY happened.


Now step back in time:

A man Duane knew was wounded & discharged New Yrs. 1945! A man Duane told me about - but, just figured it was just a story.

Remember all of those PATCHES Duane had when he died - the ones I sold to a collector at a garage sale after Weber died?

I am sure 377 remembers.

1943 there was some strange training going on in Colorado....guys who could not pass mustard because of their eye site or other problems - men who made good soldiers, because an organization came to their aid.

A special camp for special people.


Is there a picture of Weber in this camp?

How could that be? In 1943 there were many misfits placed into specialized traing - some not considered physically capable due to such minor things as vision...and those considered unfit to serve - such as having the spirit to protect a woman being molested by a 90 day wonder in the NAVY.

Is there a picture of Weber at this facility?

He definitely knew one of the other men in the picture....because he told me about him, but I didn't know who he was referring to until recently.

Was this the beginning of Weber's on again off again connections to another world?

The authorities will be given a dead line to identify the man in the picture - then I go public trying to find out the name that man used...somewhere there must be a record. I already knew the story yrs & yrs ago and one I tried to tell, but with NO proof.

The connections Weber made at this facility would involve him in other things in the 60's...

I wondered why Duane spoke of these things, but I was trying to connect too many dots - and a lot of what is now public was not public 10 yrs ago. Most of the men are deceased and family members are telling their story...this story I already knew because it was a story Weber told me.

At one time I touched on this, but I did not have any physical proof or anything that could make a connection....

Afraid to say anymore in the event it will all go POOF! as so much had done that over the yrs...

Bad timing for me - but, perhaps that is why it is only now being made available...

I want to know MORE & I want to know why I was ignored regarding this - 18 yrs ago.

Old pictures have a way being made public that should never have been, because family members didn't themselves know the significance of the old photos...they were just photos shared by the family as they tell the story about their deceased & pictures not intended to be made public. Just a guy sending pictures home to his family....

Of course they had no way to know that one young man would use what he learned to commit a skyjacking in 1971. They after all had been accepted in to a program that allowed them to serve the country they loved...even as prisoneer - and they were NOT locked up - they were being utilized on that base and befriended by other on that base.

If there is one pic out there then there must be others & there must be records of some kind....there had to be names. We have no idea what name Weber may have been using or what the called him other than Johnny.

Surely the CIA or FBI can pull the names of all individuals involved - surely they did not destroy all of the old files. Now we have approx dates and NO reason for the Government to continue to deny deny deny.

Perhaps because Weber was involved in other things after this approx 1943 thing. Remember he supposedly was not in McNeil & yet they used the McNeil prints per Ckret (Carr) & they still use the prints from 1945.


Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Duane Weber had a hell of an IQ & some serious exposure (not just training and planning I guess).... they say a lifetime of happiness cannot teach you lessons that a few bad days can.

Having a high IQ does not mean being well educated... things get in the way - behavior problems, wars, family loosing the family business and home to the depression.

Duane wanted to be a pilot. The first time Duane tried to enlist at the ripe old age of 15 he was rejected & he was farsighted. Gets in the Navy & get kicked out for trying to save a damsel in distress from a 90 day wonder.

In April of 1943 he writes a letter home from Camp Sibert... the penmanship & subject matter is sufficient. He encloses a picture of himself in a Army uniform, but the brother did not find a picture of Duane in an ARMY uniform.
But knew he was really in the Army because a friend of the family had run into him at Camp Siebert.

Duane L. Weber 35608905
Co D- 2st CWS Tng. Regt
Camp Siebert, Ala.

I provided the FBI with that information in 1997 and yet they claimed on 2 occassions Duane was never in the ARMY...as late a 2000 the agent was making this claim - and he excused himself from the phone and called me back about 3 hrs later...saying they had a number wrong! BULL! They had copies of the same papers I had with the correct number on it...as per the letter address above.

When CARR came to the thread he tried claiming Duane was not in the ARMY, but I quickly got that staightened out.

NOTE the date of the letter - April 15, 1943 this is very important to remember. He would NOT be formally released from the Army until the end JULY - but he was not kept at Camp Siebert - he was sent to a place where he got some additional training along with a lot of HARD LABOR.

The date of a letter Duane sent home is important for you to remember and then remember this DUANE flies off of the map for 18 months or more only to surface again in CA. where his parent lived in 1943. April 15, 1943.

The Army and the Navy seem to be stacked. In lots of pain - will try to come back and finish this post in a few minutes.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
RobertMBlevins

Quote

Some one who tried to obtain Duane's records was also told they where destroyed in a fire...but they were NOT!



Partial results of the 1973 fire in St. Louis, which was the only repository at that time for anyone's full available military records and files:

Branch: Army

Personnel and Period Affected: Army Personnel discharged November 1, 1912 to January 1, 1960

Estimated Loss: 80%

Just saying. You can get SOME records...USUALLY. The problem is getting everything that is available. No better than a one-in-five chance on that. However, as Duane's surviving widow, you can make the usual requests and they will send you everything they have. And most times this is free, you just have to send in the proper forms.




DO U READ ANYTHING ANY ONE SAYS;
ALL WE GOT FROM THE AUTHORITIES WAS THE CERTIFICATE THAT STATES HE WAS IN THE ARMY AND THAT IS ALL - NO DETAILS.
I AM NOT CONSIDERED A PERSON OF INTEREST - AS IT WAS IN 1943 AND I WAS A CHILD OF 3. I HAVE ALL OF THE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE RECORDS IF YOU WANT TO VIEW THEM - VERY SIMPLE THEY WILL NOT PROVIDE THE ARMY RECORDS FOR DUANE WEBER. ALL THEY PROVIDED WAS THE STANDARD CERTIFICATE.

HIS ARMY RECORDS ARE CONSIDERED CLASSIFIED
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1943 and 1964 that was 71 and 51 yrs...is it time for the GOVERNMENT to release the truths?

Time for AMERICA to FESS up to the SECRETS they keep. Now those SECRETS ARE being told.

AWARE was very involved in the construction of the air strips & the towers...and guess were some of them got their training in the 40's.

Secret CIA operations to train & arm Tibetan freedom fighter against the Chinese Communists....it was called Intermountain Communications...in 1960 and guess what they trained in very place that trained other special groups in 1943...high in the Colorado Rockies ---Camp Hale and utilized all of the same facilities scatter thru out the area.

1943 - it was prisoners and guys being trained for special missions in WWII and it involved parachuting and mountain climbing....they intended to retake the Italian Alps from the Nazis....They used the guys who had been sent there to pack chutes & clean & do other things...no man power was wasted being confined unless the wayward soldier was beligerant or dangerous. Duane was actually a good boy and a good worker and willing to learn...he was hoping they would not kick him out of the ARMY so he did good. Lots of soldiers trained at Camp Hale...but it was also a place to contain young men who had not been able to cut it in the Army...until their fate could be deterimined....Duane was there over 2 months before they finally issued his dishonorable discharge.

Some of those so called prisoner were actually good boys & one of them knew one of the guys who was there for training....they were connected by family.

The so called prisoners got priviledges for doing things for the trainees & the officers there...like earning brownie points.

Duane actually told me about this but I didn't get it until I found the person who befriended him - lets put it this way - friend of the family. All of Duane's family had been accomplished soldiers and officers and he was ashamed of himself...but he really wanted to make good.

Duane actually told me the story but until recently when young people started to write stories about their relatives who served at Camp Hale & other places none of this struck me. I was never interested in WAR stories & basically remembered some of the stories but NO reason to try to fit Duane Weber into any of this.

One man connected to the Weber family reported for duty at Camp Hale in April of 1943 - the same time Duane was sent there.................NOW do you get it. I knew the story about this man before I read it. I had told others about Duane talking about these things - but when I started all of this - much of this had never made it to the computer world. Now young people are telling the stories of their relatives who have died in the last few yrs...and THERE he was the man DUANE had told me about.

ALL of the stories - stories I told way back in this thread - but they seemed to be stories about heros...but this one was connected to Weber's family, but I didn't know it.

The good boys who just didn't fit - were given special privelidges & Duane was one of those - he charmed himself in to the lives of others.

These men were not AIR BORNE as some of them had wanted to be pilots, but did not have the correct vision like Duane - he was far sighted...so he could never have been a pilot. Duane's friend shipped out in May of 1944 to make his first combat jump - he was a non-com. 377 will remember my enquiring about this man because Duane had told me his story while we were in CO, about knowing this guy & that the man was wounded & spent a long time recovering....Devils in Baggy Pants.

Part of his recovery required a lot of time SWIMMING & I wonder now if they ever reconnected after 1943 . Duane had NO problem even swimming in the Atlantic - he was a strong swimmer.

Duane was part of a group who trained for a special mission in 1962 to 1964 - when he was John (Johnnie) C. Collins & the only ones who could prove it are the ex-wife, Tommy Gunn, Edward Huran and a man whose name I would will not mention, because he is still alive.

I think there are still 2 people who are still alive - & I hope now they know that I finally figured it out....but, would sure like to know why they couldn't tell me - but maybe that is obvious.

377 remember that badge I was looking for in my memory - remember Duane had a whole collection of jump badges from the war - that I sold. Those badges would have put Duane at Hale, Colorado.

BUT, I found something else that puts Duane there - and you can be assured that must be in WEBER's Army file & one the FBI nor the government wants anyone to see.

There is a picture of a man with this other guy - I had seen another picture that was similar many yrs ago. One Duane's sister sent to him & among those things that were lost - a picture of his friend & friend of the family.

Duane's brother talked about a friend of the family seeing Duane (in a letter) during this time frame at Ft Benning area - and wrote a story about Duane "the Clown taking the General's Car for a ride"....that was at Camp Siebert.

This man was only 2 yrs older than Duane - but connected as a friend to the family....

Only 377 will be able to follow me on this - he will know now I know & I can put Duane in CO connected to jumpers & knowledge of survival skills in the mountains.

Duane spoke of this guy but didn't tell me his name that I can remember, but about what he had done with his life.

Duane could still wear a uniform at the prison camp - because his army hearing had not come up yet....& in this picture you will NOTE a man who I believe PICTURE redconitions will prove is Duane Weber in association with jumpers & in a uniform Duane was exposed to jumper at Camp Siebert and at Camp Hale - he did a lot of HARD manual work, but Duane had NOT been officially put out of the Army at that time.

The picture I saw was some men milling around on the ground - but this picture - well it is 3 guys & you be the judge. The poor guy on the left didn't even know how to put his cap on &I am sure some one loned him the cap & jacket for the picture...I have pictures of Duane Weber close to this time.

That same guy I believe to be Weber shows up in pictures taken in the Mountains near Tahoe near Placerville and in a group who picked apple in WA and OR.

Duane had indicated he knew the guys in the Placerville pic and in the Pickers and I have seen this picture before and Duane making the same claim as knowing these guys Alll of the pictures where taken in the same time span - 1943 to 1945. ODD...but I think Duane's background can now be proven.

Since I had no pictures of Duane as a young man - the only man I knew was the older man I married...All of the young photos were acquired after he died.

They put him with people who were jumpers in all three photo - but what I have to do is prove they are Duane L. Weber - he was running under a lot of names....he was always running right into trouble....but those ARMY records would do that for me...

So would his entire criminal record.
Something the FBI has missed....maybe leaving his Jefferson pic out was deliberate.

There was a man who has tried to tell me the story - but he was unable to do so....as it would complicate his life.

There was a man who made pictures available that coincided with the Forestry work, picking apples and the Colorado stuff....I hope he is still alive & knows that I finally figured it out.

Duane spent over 2 months in that place - called Camp Hale, but as a prisoner before he was offically released from the ARMY in 1943 on an undesirable discharge. They were NOT treated like prisoners - but allowed to commingle with others at the camps.

IT was war time and they didn't keep them out of the general population.
They utilized them & 1943 was the beginning of efforts to rehab these young men.

Individuals who did NOT fit the molded requirements such as vision & other health conditions - the US thought did NOT make a good Soldier....but the did.

In 1964 approx another group trained at Hale & they recuited some who had trained there in 1940's...but the mission was different this time...they needed individuals who would never be missed & who needed the money - one word for it was Fortune Hunters...they also knew they might not survive - they would just come up missing, like the father of the man whose daughter I befriended only to have a cheap shot taken for the information I had coveted for yrs. Ex-cons were perfect for this mission.

I wasn't supposed to put all of this together. Old women, technology, a telephone, persistence and lots of REAL friends over the yrs...

Now the secrets are being revealed. It is no secret NOW. Duane Weber was part of the 1943/44 group in Colo and then again in 1964 with Inter Mountain Communication. Why the hell do some of you think the files are still closed.

WELL, due to technology & so many individuals willing to keep on searching for the truths - the secrets are No longer a secret & the longer the government keeps secrets the worse they look to others.

The FBI & the CIA & the Government know Duane Weber (or whatever name he was using) was there in 1943/44 & he was there in 1963/64. Families of ligitimate soldiers & warriors tell the stories about their family members & they post pictures they had NO idea after 71 yrs would open up a can of worms.

Duane was part of the group who trained for a special mission in 1962 to 1964 - when he was John (Johnnie) C. Collins....and the only ones who could prove it was the ex-wife, Tommy Gunn, Edward Huran and a man whose name I would will not mention, because he is still alive.

I think there are still 2 people who are still alive - and I hope now they know that I finally figured it out....but, would sure like to know why they couldn't tell me - but maybe that is Obvious....they thought I would run my mouth.

A picture that put Weber someplace he was NOT supposed to be in 1943/44.


Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
INTERMOUNTAIN COMMUNICATIONS
1962 to 1968 - GOT it...You do not even give me time to proof my postings!

I only know one that might still be alive out of the names I can connect to it...it was a covert group.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
RobertMBlevins

I saw a post back there about Revenge Story. Yes, I already said I wrote that one. I tried using a pen name, Julia Broussard, because it is so violent I wasn't sure I wanted my name associated with it.



Good read actually I am surprised the sale is slow.

Anyways the first few pages itself gave away that it was written by a Ghost writer for a women... women don't write like that... I mean generally. But then I enjoyed the book, who wrote, don't really care...:P

Quote


And yes, I suppose the Newsvine article about Christopher Boyce is somewhat similar to a scene from the book. (saw that post, too) I'm guessing you mean the scene where Ben Cummings and Karen Morris buy the Ford pickup and camper at the car lot, after Cummings figures out the cops know they are in a stolen motorhome.

Damn. You can't get away with anything these days. ;)



Yo...you got that "write" ;) .... and no life's truly become an "open book" :D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
It has all COME together - now the FBI need so do their thing....take the pictures & compare them - they are all the same man & then compare those with the composites...if the witnesses see age regressed pictures from the 3 pics inquestion & the background behind the pictures & then a modification of the Jefferson Pic on angles and hair cut - put it all together properly & then had a little evidence I have in my possession - but not at my home at this time as it is suddenly considered the evidence that might break the case.

IT is ALL up to the FBI now - but they are not exhausting any money to do so...A company out of CA has offered to do it a NO charge! They need access to the original sketches from 1971/1972. What one sees on the screen had been repicated too many time to become a true standard for this purpose.....they need access to the actual sketches in full size & the witness description and the profiles used. We have limited pictures of Duane & only one with any high quality.

Parts of what they need I do have other than the actual transcripts of the witnesses describing the suspect to the artist....and the comparisons used in 1971/1972.

I took a bad fall last night. Now I need to go elevate my leg & I have a large bruise near my left temple. The leg I thought was bruised today it is black and blue and the black starts at the mid calf to 5 inches about the knee. The swelling is immense. The bruise on my head just in the hair line seems okay...but a big old black knot in hair line.

I do NOT know how I fell. My right hand has been bound and slinged for several wks and lots of pain...some how this fall happened in a corner near the desk...I must have hit the window sill with my head just about the temple.

The knee I thought was just a bruise - I looked at it before I started posting....& it is more than a bruise...the knee is VERY swollen & the black and blue goes down to mid calf with ODD patterns & colors (speckled)about 4 inches above the knee on the inside....weirdest looking thing I ever saw & has become more & more difficult to walk today & the pain & SWELLING has gotten out of hand.

Going to the ICE and to elevate the leg....

What a mess - hand, shoulder, knee, leg and head all on one side....What else can happen...well, I guess I could die in my sleep tonight...but I have an appt with a hosp tomorrow - so I expect they are going to send me to the ER when they see me.

TOUGH DAMN COOKIE -
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote

"...It has all COME together - now the FBI need so do their thing....take the pictures and compare them - they are all the same man and then compare those with the composite...if the witnesses see age agressed picture from the 3 pics inquestion and the background behind the pictures and then a modification of the Jefferson Pic on angles and hair cut - and you put it all to gether properly and then had a little evidence I have in my possession - but not at my home at this time as it is suddenly considered the evidence that might break the case.

IT is ALL up to the FBI now....(!)"



Norjak is getting HOT at the FBI - Two Packages of Evidence -

Only ONE MAN can win!!!

What will the FBI do?

Time to call Ayn Dietrich-Williams. Hope she's back in the saddle after her wedding.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
TOP TEN REASONS FBI WILL PUNT

(on Bobby's and Mrs. Cooper's Submissions)

1. Jo Weber has no standing in the case because she wasn't married to Duane Weber in 1971. After all, after his eight marriages, who knows what he was doing.

2. Jo's package on DB Cooper has been transferred to the King County Sheriff's Office Major Case Squad since she was the last person to speak to Earl Cossey alive.

3. Duane was never in the Army.

4. Kenny's files are all burnt, so nothing that Bobby has submitted can be verified.

5. Everyone knows Kenny was gay, and, as per the new FBI directive, all agents who feel uncomfortable touching his files can be recused from the investigation on religious grounds .

6. Jo's package is being reviewed first by the CDC in Atlanta due to concerns that what she has may be contagious - and NOBODY wants to take a chance on getting what she has.

7. Bobby's package is being sent to King County Office of Mental Health as the Geestman family clearly needs a psych eval before a criminal eval. First-things-first is the FBI's middle name!

8. Mark Zuckerberg has imposed a restraining order on all of Bobby's material since he posts on Facebook, and all postings on Facebook are owned by Facebook.

9. NSA already sent everything on KC and DW to the FBI long ago, which dismissed the evidence as "inconclusive and not as interesting as porn."

10. Dear Concerned Citizen: Budget cuts are killing us! So many suspects, so little time. Can you please re-submit and give us a one-page synopsis of your most compelling evidence. Thank you. Please allow 90-180 days for our response. No phone calls or emails, please, unless you're DBC Royalty.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
lawrocket

Hmm. I'm seeing other long threads being locked. I don't think I've added a comment to this one. So I can tell my grandkids I participated in the DB Cooper thread.



Yo, Rocket, since you're advertising your wife's hotness, would you mind if I had sex with her?

Just askin'.

By the way, welcome to the DB Cooper Investigation!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote

"...Contrary to Bruce Smith's flippant comments, our investigation into the case is quite serious. He's simply jealous that we have pursued every avenue possible on suspect Kenny Christiansen...and that we have a comprehensive package prepared for the Seattle FBI. The very idea of this is anathema to he, and other folks he sometimes refers to as 'Cooper Royalty'.

We believe Cooper Royalty is a myth, invented by people who do a lot of mutual back-slapping and believe they are important just because they study the case...."



Since Bobby invested the term "Cooper Royalty," I suppose he is entitled to define what it means.

But like most things in life, once you invent something or put an idea into the universe, one's control over your creation diminishes.

Such has happened with Cooper Royalty and our Court. We have adopted Bobby's pronouncements and now conduct ourselves accordingly.

Historically, I have gone from Cousin Brucie to Uncle Brucie; then Prince Bruce, and now, King Bruce. To my friends however, I am often called "King Brucie."

So, what have I done to deserve such an exalted status? Here is a brief list:

1. I wrote a book. It is a comprehensive, 90,000 word treatment on the DB Cooper case, with a close look at the behaviors of the FBI.

2. Maintained a website that covers the DB Cooper case in detail. The site is called The Mountain News-WA and is based in Eatonville, WA, which is on the eastern edge of Cooper's getaway flight path. Most of the raw data, interviews and information that is distilled in the book first appeared on the Mountain News. When I posted current pix of Tina Mucklow on the MN, it had 40,000 hits by lunch.

3. I have interviewed every available principal in the case, or I have attempted to speak with them.

4. I am threatened regularly with lawsuits, character assassinations, and accusations of criminal activity, such as murdering Earl Cossey. I interpret those actions as a reflection of the impact my writing has amongst the denizens of Cooper World.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

47 47