DB Cooper

[Robert99 37]

RobertMBlevins

[Addressed to Shutter]

Okay, I will stipulate that all of the above is true. Everyone makes choices. You made yours. I have made mine. But it's downright weird that you would say right off the bat that 'we won't allow Robert here' (from the start) and then most of your current postings at Dropzone are questions or allegations concerning myself or Kenny Christiansen. If you wanted answers to your questions, you certainly went about it the wrong way. I did not START this problem. YOU did with your initial decision. So live with that. No one is stopping you from investigating KC you know. Just don't expect any help from AB or myself on this. Do your OWN research. Why should I help you now? Really...you've got to be kidding.

Blevins,

The above baloney is revisionist history at its absolute worst! People on this thread were pointing out errors in your "book" from your first day here and they helped you correct some of those through about two revised "editions" to that "book".

There is no indication that you did any research on KC before making the claims about him being Cooper. And nothing has emerged from all your posts here to support in any way the possibility that KC was Cooper.

Your book and movie manuscript efforts are based solely on your hope that you can stay one step ahead of the facts and find someone to give you some money who is totally ignorant of the actual situation on this thread and what is being said by the reviewers on Amazon.com.

Robert99

[georger 197]

Robert99

***[Addressed to Shutter]

Okay, I will stipulate that all of the above is true. Everyone makes choices. You made yours. I have made mine. But it's downright weird that you would say right off the bat that 'we won't allow Robert here' (from the start) and then most of your current postings at Dropzone are questions or allegations concerning myself or Kenny Christiansen. If you wanted answers to your questions, you certainly went about it the wrong way. I did not START this problem. YOU did with your initial decision. So live with that. No one is stopping you from investigating KC you know. Just don't expect any help from AB or myself on this. Do your OWN research. Why should I help you now? Really...you've got to be kidding.

Blevins,

The above baloney is revisionist history at its absolute worst! People on this thread were pointing out errors in your "book" from your first day here and they helped you correct some of those through about two revised "editions" to that "book".

There is no indication that you did any research on KC before making the claims about him being Cooper. And nothing has emerged from all your posts here to support in any way the possibility that KC was Cooper.

Your book and movie manuscript efforts are based solely on your hope that you can stay one step ahead of the facts and find someone to give you some money who is totally ignorant of the actual situation on this thread and what is being said by the reviewers on Amazon.com.

Robert99

How did it fall to the revisionist sock puppet RobertMBlevins to
be a part of the Decoded issue on KC ?

Why not Gray or Porteous? Blevins wasn't even finished with his
so-called book "BLAST - The True Story of DB Cooper" ! All
Blevins had was the name Geestman! Blevins didn't even know
anything about the DB Cooper case, and neither did his star
witness, Bernie Geestman! That much is 1000% OBVIOUS!

WTF were these idiots at DECODED doing that got them hooked
up with the zombie Blevins in the first place? Versus Porteous or
Gray or someone from the FBI?

Now the DECODED 'gang of 5' has gone stone silent issuing one
liners which don't answer anyone's questions. NWA Historian
Bruce Kitt has revealed new information and made his feelings on
the matter know. And 'Belvis' continues to 'revise and rewrite his
supposed book'! Will 'Belvis' appear as a figure in ISIS next!?

It would appear the standards aren't very high in the TV
documentary industry? Documentary? Documentary of what?

The whole fiasco gives life to the theory: "The media IS the
message" and the term: BOOB TUBE! Belvis fashioned the term
"Wage Earner Sheeple" to top it all off!

[mrshutter45 21]

You must be different than me. I look on a map ahead of time so I know where i'm going. they also have little numbers in front of the address when property is hard to see.

I see you already write it off before testing the DNA. what about the prints? how will you write that off. they don't have his prints? seems they should throw a lot of evidence away...no?

What about Tina saying she had to look up at Cooper. can we twist that around? that's a huge hurdle for the KC saga. perhaps she meant eye level? lets get around this hurdle. how about she was scratching the lower part of her leg at the time, and this is why she had to look up at him? that works.

Ok, we no longer have DNA, the prints should be thrown away. first hand witnesses can be wrong. passengers hold more weight to the description on Cooper. I'm starting to see how KC could be Cooper.....

We must believe the Hatfield & McCoy type statements from the Geestman's. after all, one is petrified of the other. no reason to lie here, or believe any backstabbing involved.

Decoded tells a different story. they believed Bernie. Buddy also states his belief on what he "heard, and read"
what exactly did he hear? the house being bought for cash, the stamp/coin collection, the large amount of money in his account?

Not one single thing has been confirmed about these people other than through you! Marla at least had her mom stating things. the whole KC story is controlled by you. most people will invite people in to verify things. you called people up warning them. not good Robert.


Like I said. lets see what the records show.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[yellowoxide 0]

Mr. Blevins attacking the messenger(s) again. No surprise there.

Let's deal with the facts please.

1) $400,000 coin collection? NO
2) Cash purchases of house and land? NO. Supporting documents? NO.
3) Dan Cooper comics at Sheyma (sp.?) air base? NO. Not possible.
4) Toupee? NO. No pictures, only hearsay.
5) Loans? NO. No proof of beneficiaries purchasing...anything.
6) Money found in nearby tree trunks? NO. No proof offered.

( see. nothing personal, Mr. Blevins. Just the facts.)

[mrshutter45 21]

why are you addressing me with Georges stuff?

Perhaps you could explain this..Oct, 26, 2013 you said this.

6) April 1972: Mr and Mrs Geestman have had house guests for a few months now, Mr Geestman's sister Dawn Andrusko and her kids. They had recently come out from Minnesota after Dawn divorced her husband there. She asks Bernie to approach Kenny Christiansen for a loan so she can buy her own place. Bernie ends up delivering the money, and his sister pays back the $5,000 over a two-year period, although KC had actually given her three years to pay.

Now, once again, how well did Dawn really know Kenny. you have her arriving in Washington around February of 1972, and staying with the Geestman's. how its it again she was able to verify the tie clip prior to 1971 while in Minnesota? where was Dawn in 1970, 71? we know she was in Minnesota prior to February 1972? how did she remember the toupee? he stopped wearing it after the crime, and she couldn't have recognized the clip after the fact? Kenny would no longer have it....

Please Advise......

You also have different versions of the payback period. you have claimed it was to be paid back in 5 years, not 3.....numbers and dates will get ya some times!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

BruceSmith

***"...Might be the most importan(t) post I ever made..."
As I understand you and your epic post, Kenny Christiansen performed the skyjacking but Bernie Geestman's wife persuaded Duane to take the fall and admit he was DB Cooper.
.

NOT AT ALL WHAT I WAS SAYING AND YOU KNOW THAT.

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[mrshutter45 21]

That's a tough one to swallow? it's pretty obvious bullshit is flying in the KC saga. clam up once again Robert. it's all good.

Here you go again. didn't you just state you wouldn't bring up the blocking again? you are the sole reason it happened Robert. you can't blame anyone but yourself. my choice was not to have you on the forum. you played dirty and got what you deserved for it! deal with it.

Stop blaming others for your actions. the same for clamming up when truth comes knocking. we have a witness that was not anywhere around Washington claiming she knew Kenny well. go ahead and clam up.

One thing you are absolutely correct about is. the truth will come out, one way or the other. your decided months ago not to discuss it, and yet here we are? when something is revealed, you shut down. it's getting
as old as the story Robert!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

I made this post on the 26th of May 2014.

skyjack71

In May of 2011 I sent an email to Cook!
He has been in ATTACK mode ever since!

It regarded a book written by Bellett

The below is a review of the book by media:
Gerald Bellett is a reporter for the Vancouver Sun in British Columbia:

"When John Meier, a former aide to Howard Hughes, moved there from the U.S. in the early 1970s, Bellett began writing about Meier's struggle with the White House, the CIA, and the Howard Hughes organization. This is an authorized biography, and while it helps fill in some historical gaps about Watergate and the Hughes-CIA connection, it is still history as told by yet another insider-victim, with possible axes to grind. It's a bit suspicious. Even though he was wheeling and dealing with the spookiest and most duplicitous people on the planet, it seems that for Meier, these were the good old days. There is not a single mea culpa in this entire book.

But another grinding fact is that Meier was a victim of CIA and Canadian collusion to put him behind bars. This included charges of tax evasion, obstruction of justice, and ultimately a charge of murder. He spent five years in prison before prosecutors emptied out their bag of tricks. Meier argues that Watergate was a classic set-up, and it appears that the CIA thought he had a stash of Hughes documents that might prove his point. According to Meier, when he refused to cut a deal with the CIA to produce the documents and keep his mouth shut, his legal problems began."

Does anyone know why I wrote this to Cook?

I met John Meiers wife in Fla. Duane and I were guests on a yacht supposedly owned by Mrs. Meiers and we were picked up after Duane had a long conversation with the owner or manager of the Club he took me to.

SOME of this I have put in the thread before -NOW you know why. NOW I will NO longer stay quiet...Cook WENT to FAR! I have TAKEN all I WILL take!

I have put some of this into this thread in the past - therefore anyone who cares can go back and find the information....in detail...with the names & the places & the times.

John Meier had just gone thru litigation & was going to have to do some time...per the conversation I over heard. A conversation between Duane & the woman. I forget her first name at this moment, but it is in this thread.

John Meier was an aide to Howard Hughes? What they meant by that I did not understand - I just know the things I do know. BUT both connections are in the history of DUANE L. WEBER.

Remember I met a man with Duane in Colorado who had worked for Hughes. A man whose past with Duane Weber was connected. The conversation with this man centered around Reno and Las Vegas. I have discussed this during the early yrs with this forum and been dissed.

I went to bed, but I could hear the two them continue to talk - and what they talked about when they thought I was asleep - was enough to let me know Duane had connections - but this was during the first 2 yrs of our union. I would not know the rest of it until much later.

Howard Hughes and Watergate and CIA connections did exist and still exist. Duane knew the woman well enough to ask her about her family and where they were & how they were doing. This woman had something to do with entertainment in Las Vegas and/or Reno. She was a very staturest woman & her clothing was designer garments...she also had a very nice home on the canal - a home Duane & I spent some time in.

It's a bit suspicious. I didn't realize he was wheeling & dealing with the spookiest and most duplicitous people on the planet, it seems that for Meier, these were the good old days. There is not a single mea culpa in this entire book. I have thrown this out in the past to this thread, but NO one seemed to know what I was talking about.

At that meeting nothing was discussed in my presence about the details as Duane and this woman went to another part of the yacht -while her escort engaged me in conversation.

This incident was BEFORE Meier was sent to prison....and per the conversation I was privey to he was in Canada at that time.

I also met Bernie - the Bernie with Watergate connections...in New Orleans in 1981 approximately. I didn't know this Bernie and the woman and Meier where connected in 1981 when I met him. It was later after we had moved back to GA or to VA when I met the wife of Meier in Florida. I still did NOT make the connection.

Well, it seems that Meier, Watergate and the Yacht and the woman are all connected along with the bar on the canal in FLA.

I wrote to Galen Cook about this in 2011 - so, he knows I know the truths. WHY I believe that the wreck in 2000 was a failed attempt on my life. Had I not have hesitated with my foot on the brake I would be dead today. AS it stands I suffered the results of many broken bones and a badly damaged knee. Since my foot was on the brake - something the driver did NOT expect...I survived. If it had not been for those seconds on that brake pedal (only because I am a very cautious driver) I would be a dead woman today.

I was afraid to contest it - I was thankful to be alive. Maybe just a co-incidence, but I think not. This was within wks of my going public....Over the yrs I have been told NOT to go there or I was a dead woman walking.

Well, I am a dead woman walking now, but NOW I have NO fear of the authorities or any dirt they want to hide or that others want to hide....WHY COOK has to shut me up!

ANYONE ever think maybe COOK was on the payroll. Well, when ALL of this started - my first knowledge of Cook was that he represented the UNIONS...yet at that time he WAS not an ATTORNEY in WA - not until 2004 and yet when my history with Cook stated, he was not a licensed Attorney in WA.

THis is the man who has been trying to STOP me for ys & to disspell everything & anything I say....even to the extent of threatening me with actions in the state of FLA to have me commited.

THINK about this - COOK has ties & he has MOTIVE. Cook has tried to corner me in ever crook of the road...and when he could "win" no other way he went to the extreme with his last actions. WELL, my history with WEBER was not and is not a lie...nor is any part of my story a lie or contrived. My personal history above is true. A history I experienced with Duane L. Weber who was Dan Cooper.

I have sat on this and mentioned it briefly over the yrs. hoping someone would pick up on it - but NO ONE did - NO ONE, but GALEN! WHY he had to stop me!

AM I AFRAID? YES, I am!

I finally said what needed to be said. I thought the FBI would just finally admit Duane was Cooper & that would be the end of it. WELL, trying to tell the truth and work around Duane's mysterious past has NOT worked.

Cook hoped he could stop me and/or profit from the story after I died.

His past is part of the Cooper story. NO one here connected all the dots, but I did! WHY?

BECAUSE I LIVED IT. The truth is stranger than any fiction anyone could write about this. From the 60's to the 80's and the government just keeps on trying to cover their steps. WHAT the hell was so damn secret they could not admit who Cooper was. Was I the woman who knew too much - were they afraid the past would present itself?

Who was the FBI so afraid of they had to gloss me over and push me aside? Well, that would be none other than CIA or higher! Remember the writer they confiscated the record of a few yrs ago. His name escapes me now. HE tried, but finally pushed it aside. THERE IS ONE person still working for the government and / retired who knows the truths - he tried to tell and he got buried in the muck.

I will not be quiet any longer! NO MORE! NOT one day!

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After I made that post - I had serious computer problems....wonder why?

Well, I had it backed up!

Plus anything to do with COOK and I cover my ass.

In 2010 when I was in WA he was running between Alaska, BC, WA and Ca. THINK about this for one moment...who does Galen Cook work for?

He couldn't meet me on my time table and I wonder WHY! He is an attorney and he makes good money - and yet a widow who spent money on a trip she could not afford to GO back to WA and re-do the journey her husband took her on - was supposed to interupt her trip costing her time and money to cater to Cook.

I copied ever damn Email I sent him.
So they think the can destory the files that EASY. Over my dead body!

All of my documents are put on a disk and then printed and bound in large 4 - inch notebooks - the important stuff, like communications with Cook and certain others..are copied relatively soon. Got into a back log because of all those surgeries, but I CMA on certain individuals.

Those who know me know I kept going back to what I did know and trying to correlate that with little things someone else has stated...not just on this thread, but in my private communication.

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[Robert99 37]

RobertMBlevins

[Blevins addressing Shutter]

You have a lot of nerve, I'll give you that. You decide to block any participation or viewing of your website by me.

And then you come to me constantly asking (demanding) answers to questions, or clarifications.

You totally alienated the staff at AB, as well as myself. Do your own research and leave us out of it please.

Blevins,

Just stop you silly whining! You don't have any real reason to complain in the first place as Shutter has explained to you dozens of times by now.

By your own admission, you can view Shutter's site any time you so desire. You just can't view his site on your AB computers.

What is so special about the AB computers? Is that where you keep your hacking software and pirated files?

Robert99

[mrshutter45 21]

Records are simple Robert. I guess we will see. why she wouldn't tell this in the first place is a question. I guess I can trace her from Minnesota as well.

I can understand if you are looking into things Robert. it's the stonewalling that follows it. I don't blame you if you are looking into it now, and holding back until everything is covered, but this should have been done years ago. there roots seem to come from Minnesota. shouldn't be hard to find out where she moved from. dates go back into 1930. Ramsey Minnesota. smokin99 is good on this stuff.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

This is an unimportant communication between Cook and myself - but it makes a point on the details I shared with Cook:



Subj: RE: More hidden files
Date: 5/6/2011 1:03:01 AM Central Daylight Time
From: [email protected]


......keep writing down what you find about Duane. You may get to the ultimate piece of the puzzle.

GC

From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 02:00:53 -0400
Subject: More hidden files
To: [email protected]


These things where in the house papers and some old records I never looked in.

Drs. statement in 1987. Remarks by Dr. "This is a highly intellignent man approaching end stage renal disease. With in the next 6-12 months he will require dialysis to stay alive. Note this was dated 1987 and yet it would be 1990 before he ever went on dialysis.

1983 - Duane made $ 49,530 and that did not count the money I made. I have to be reading this wrong.

Right now I think I am reading some of this for the 1st time, but I know I have been thru all of it piece by piece before. I want to reduce some of it, but fear maybe something is important.


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PS
Left my addendum on all emails I transmitted to Galen. Those transmissions are very massive & I have them all - just encase Galen is interested.

CYA - when one is dealing with a SNEAKY SNAKE - because when it bites it might be fatal.

I didn't trust Galen in the beginning but after the vicious attack he made on me in that other thread it is obvious I read right through him....

I was providing Galen with minute details & then he attacks me in public. The remarks he made about my sanity...on that other thread - prove I was right to CMA ing all communications.

Well, he is the one who is out of it OR he is WORKING FOR THE OTHER SIDE....wonder what happened to his brilliant mind?

Legally I cannot post his side of the emails - but, this is enough to give you the jest of the SERIOUS & earnest transmission between he and I.

Was I Playing him or was he trying to find out JUST how much I really knew! Maybe he was hired to investigate me? You think.

Maybe he thought I would kick the bucket and he could tell the story...maybe that is what got him all TICKED off.

His involvement in Cooper goes back to when he was a kid - so I believe his interest is earnest, but then later it became about WHAT CAN COOPER DO FOR ME?

Sneaky Snake and I also called him Glacier Boy....He could NOT figure out how this dumb illerated woman who had never touched a computer until 2000 could find these things He was pumping me for all the informatin he could & he threw out some wild things himself.

NOW I am the crazy one who he has ATTACKED over and over and over....

Think about this - he has been working on this for most of his life & suddenly along comes this widow who is doing more than he has ever done. The alienation between the 2 of us occurred around the time of the Columbia search by the Sleuths....

NO one was going to solve this other than himself and I wondered HOW he could afford to sponsor that venture....Maybe he had some backing! You THINK?

Maybe he was being paid well to divert attentions away for the truths. All of those trip to CA could have been negotiations regarding Cooper. He claimed to have UNION connections - well, guess where Duane's story started in 1969 - with UNION connections & Mafia Connection & Union connection & a very WEALTH progressive man out of TX who later created programs that employed ex-cons. He had used ex-cons prior to form a protective organization - and knew they could be employed & very productive in the fields not available to them in the 60's. Given the opportunity some of them became successful in fields that to this day will not employ ex-cons.

Duane thought the sun rose and set with this man. NOW I know this man provided Duane with the first opportunity he ever had to do something good....but, I won't go there out of respect for the man myself....needless to say, we may never know the REAL reason Duane made that jump in 1971....but, Duane's connections to this man would continue until Duane died.

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[mrshutter45 21]

Robert, most people deal with rejection, and move on. nothing is really fair here Robert. you can't play that card. you were blocked for the simple facts explained many times over now. that should have zero bearing on anything else. you are penalizing me for something you did! this whole day is exactly why I don't want this on my forum, or you. it ties everything up.

I can't help it either if others feel you are being picked on. this all started with a couple words. "Robert will not be welcome on my forum". that was said almost 4 months ago. here we are today still drumming it up, and you try and say fair is fair? did I hack through your website looking for things to discredit you? I'm looking into the story, and asking questions. you have misinformation on your site. I can't be liable for what Cook said. he hasn't posted since May 13th. how do you know all of your facts are right about Marla? were her patience running thin with you? was snow on the ground during the jump? can you say without a doubt a small car couldn't have easily got through? Bernie used a station wagon didn't he? sure she changed her story, haven't you?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

RobertMBlevins

Trust me we're working on it though. This is really the best way for everyone, whether you realize it or not. What I mean is that it's best not to say or release anything further on KC, or answer questions about him until we finish our current investigation. I know some of you don't see it that way, but that's the way it has to be.

Trust Me! Where have I heard that one before. Best for everyone?

Yea, if you knew all the crap that is flying around out there - then you would know you are being had OR do you just make these little stories up as you go?

NEVER say U were NOT warned!

In the blink of an eye you created a suspect from a ploy played by his brother....Maybe that was done ON purpose - Lyle the brother of KC making that claim....maybe they were throwing up a blind and maybe they thought you were compulsive enough to create a distraction from the REAL story that had already hit the press in 2000. Either you were used or you had $ signs in your eyes.

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[skyjack71 0]

One more thing - you served a purpose...to delay the truths from surfacing...You bought the real culprits some time...Now they are all either deceased or up in age.

You just do NOT want to admit you were HAD & you keep fabricating things that cannot be validated.

I can't prove Duane was Cooper, but there is one thing for sure - some individuals have gone to great extents to make sure the story was NOT told. There are still those alive who know the truths and some of them decided it was time to end it.

The actual players realized their mortality was approaching its end times & decided perhaps it was time to come forward. Whatever - it is time for the truths to be told.

There is another side of the coin. Individuals who knew who Cooper was decided they wanted to capitalize on what they knew.....perhaps they are the ones who have forced the hands of the REAL truth to surface.

Remember I was contacted by certain individuals including the individuals I believe contacted Marla. Every ploy out there has been played on me.

They knew enough to be dangerous, but didn't know enough to keep their heads above water. They were also trying to conceal the real story or didn't know the real story. Unfortunately they played their cards wrong because the contents of the box they listed meant nothing to me or connected to Cooper. At least the contents they listed, but hinted there was something else...I figure it was a con.

Pieces of information never discussed publically in relation to Cooper kept surfacing. They didn't know what to do with what they had...but, knew the source was connected to their relative and their relative was connected to a Cooper suspect.

Duane had an ex wife who KNEW Weber was Cooper....HOW does she connect to the individual or individuals who contacted Marla? I believe I know and I hold the key....that opens Pandora's box.

There are still 2 keys in Duane's effects that are safe deposit keys I never knew the location of the box. After yrs the box was not claimed nor the effects within it. So if the other story that is circulating is true - how and why did this box come into play....

Senairo:

There was an antique shop in Lawrence, Ks and the box and the effects where bought at an Auction. The person who purchased the BOX did not know the meaning of the effects within the box....but knew the man whose name was on the box...and that he had NO known relatives to survive him.

When the antique dealer closed the shop and the dealer deceased.
Family members decided to hold on to the box.

They knew the story about Cooper & decided to use the BOX to prove an unknown individual was Cooper. But they didn't know themselves the exact reasons the box or the history on it. They did some research and approached Marla, but as we all know that went POOF!

Marla kept claiming financial support. Who was the man providing the financial support.

Can the box be traced back to the relative of a relative or a relative who knew John Collins intimately and that John Collins had already been proposed by his widow as being Cooper.

GUYS chew on that one - maybe it is theory & maybe I know something no one else knows.

They found me - so why didn't they tell me who they really where or connection and this saga would have been over 4 yrs ago....but, maybe the safe deposit box was contrived - I never saw the auction receipt nor the name of the person who made the purchase, but I know why it was in possession of the individual in the antique shop.

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[mrshutter45 21]

I never said I agree with Marla. remember the things I found? the birth issue, documentation showing Lynn wasn't hiding from anything. the stranghistory.com where it showed she changed her story. whats funny is the guy from strangehistory.com put up a fight like you do with KC. only he was believing her story. his claim was Marla said he jumped close to his house, not where is was staying with Granny. I believe I also showed the exact same type of house I thought granny was in before Marla finally showed her picture of old grannies house.

The biggest problem I have is the jump zone. everyone is gathered around possibly the wrong place. Ratazcak claims he is in the bushes. The FBI now claims the original drop is probably wrong, and further south. so, if that is correct. everyone is gathering around the wrong location, and it's in an easily accessible area. why would Cooper want the stairs down prior to take off? possibly to jump earlier than assumed, and again, if this is correct. hanging around the Merwin lake area is way off. it's only speculation that Cooper intended to jump early, or intended to jump past the 8:12, 13 mark. nothing really is proven either way. if he changed the plan in the air, like asking to drop the altitude, they would have been on his plan. perhaps he did miss his original jump area right off the bat trying to get the stairs down.

Ratazcak has no clue where he jumped. they wouldn't have checked the plane before landing. they would of known he was gone. he only gives the time frame to the last known conversation at 8:05, and where the pressure bump was felt. that's hardly a statement of knowing where he jumped. Cooper doing something with
the stairs is on record, even the oscillation is noted, but not the bump if I;m not mistaken.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

"We know where Cooper jumped. We just don't know where he landed."

where is this statement from? I am aware of this comment made by Ratazcak...

The crew didn’t see Cooper jump nor did anybody, apparently, in the chase planes. Where he
attempted to open the parachute would have had a bearing on where he landed. If he pulled it quickly he
would have floated quite a ways. A late pull or no pull at all would have taken him straight down.

And this:
During our descent into Reno, we made a P.A. to Cooper (if he was still there) that the stairs
needed to be raised for landing so they would not be damaged, which could prevent a subsequent takeoff.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

REAL SICK TONIGHT

REALLY BAD - hope you guys on the other site are doing okay...too sick to check you out....this horrid nausea had been going on night after night after night...absolutely not enough energy to keep me on my feet - NOT keeping house - not feeling good at all. Got on the floor to get the bug spray out from the back of the kit sink....couldn't get up - so scooted over the breakfast bar and pulled myself up...going to bed.

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[Robert99 37]

RobertMBlevins

Rataczak knows when Cooper jumped, and so did the rest of the flight crew, even if they didn't figure it out until later. It's just hard to establish the exact moment this incident happened:

Cooper left the aircraft the moment the airstairs light flashed OFF for just a quick second, and then came back on for the rest of the flight to Reno.

That's when Cooper jumped. Right THERE. And this incident only happened once during the flight. Those stairs have to (almost) come completely closed for that to happen. And the only reasonable explanation is because those stairs were suddenly freed of the weight holding them down. Rataczak has explained this before. If there was a way to extract that information (flight data recorder?) then you would know the exact time he jumped.

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'We know where Cooper jumped. We just don't know where he landed...'

Bill Rataczak

I would ask the Seattle FBI if they still have a copy of the data from the FDR.

Blevins,

The FDR data from the 1971 time frame would not be of any use in pinpointing the location where Cooper jumped.

The type of data to determine the location precisely was simply not recorded at that time.

However, the un-redacted Seattle ATC transcripts would be of great use as would the phone conversations between the controllers as they handled the airliner.

Robert99

[georger 197]

RobertMBlevins

Rataczak knows when Cooper jumped, and so did the rest of the flight crew, even if they didn't figure it out until later. It's just hard to establish the exact moment this incident happened:

Cooper left the aircraft the moment the airstairs light flashed OFF for just a quick second, and then came back on for the rest of the flight to Reno.

That's when Cooper jumped. Right THERE. And this incident only happened once during the flight. Those stairs have to (almost) come completely closed for that to happen. And the only reasonable explanation is because those stairs were suddenly freed of the weight holding them down. Rataczak has explained this before. If there was a way to extract that information (flight data recorder?) then you would know the exact time he jumped.

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'We know where Cooper jumped. We just don't know where he landed...'

Bill Rataczak

I would ask the Seattle FBI if they still have a copy of the data from the FDR.

Gee Belvis! WHY DIDN'T EVERYONE ELSE THINK OF THAT!

Holy sheet iron!! Belvis has solved the DB Cooper case!

You are definitely smarterest than anyones else who ever worked on the DB Cooper case. Didja think that one up on yer own?

Havent you posted this canard before several times?
PLAY IT AGAIN SHAM WOW!

[mrshutter45 21]

skyjack71

REAL SICK TONIGHT

REALLY BAD - hope you guys on the other site are doing okay...too sick to check you out....this horrid nausea had been going on night after night after night...absolutely not enough energy to keep me on my feet - NOT keeping house - not feeling good at all. Got on the floor to get the bug spray out from the back of the kit sink....couldn't get up - so scooted over the breakfast bar and pulled myself up...going to bed.

Everything is fine Jo. I've been stuck in the house the last couple days with constant rain coming down. can't even do the yard work.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

"if he was still there" has nothing to do with the bomb. you are taking the statement out of context. If they knew where he jumped, they wouldn't be changing there minds about the first jump zone. the meaning of we know where he jumped is in reference to the pressure bump. the actual wording is "we pretty much know where he jumped" two words seem to be missing "pretty much"


"I know they used FDR data to help establish where they thought Cooper jumped."

Even by your own statement here they don't know exactly where he jumped do they? so stating "we know where he jumped" isn't really true is it?

you have the interview on here. it's from 2009 with Skipp.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[BobKnoss 0]

georger

***Rataczak knows when Cooper jumped, and so did the rest of the flight crew, even if they didn't figure it out until later. It's just hard to establish the exact moment this incident happened:

Cooper left the aircraft the moment the airstairs light flashed OFF for just a quick second, and then came back on for the rest of the flight to Reno.

That's when Cooper jumped. Right THERE. And this incident only happened once during the flight. Those stairs have to (almost) come completely closed for that to happen. And the only reasonable explanation is because those stairs were suddenly freed of the weight holding them down. Rataczak has explained this before. If there was a way to extract that information (flight data recorder?) then you would know the exact time he jumped.

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'We know where Cooper jumped. We just don't know where he landed...'

Bill Rataczak

I would ask the Seattle FBI if they still have a copy of the data from the FDR.

Gee Belvis! WHY DIDN'T EVERYONE ELSE THINK OF THAT!

Holy sheet iron!! Belvis has solved the DB Cooper case!

You are definitely smarterest than anyones else who ever worked on the DB Cooper case. Didja think that one up on yer own?

Havent you posted this canard before several times?
PLAY IT AGAIN SHAM WOW!

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You make a very bad assumption in this analysis. You assume Rataczak's story to be true. Consider the possibility that flight information and actual flight path differ by 15 miles or so to the west by result of under-stating wind correction. You know WHEN Duane jumped, you just don't have the correct information WHERE. This was done to redirect the search area and allow Duane the freedom he needed. It is all so simple when you KNOW what really happened. You can't reverse engineer this Project with faulty data. Conversations were deleted, false information was reported. That's easy when both ends of the conversation are in collusion. And you super-sleuths just gobble up the garbage like Yellowstone bears and print the desired cover-up laying there for you to unearth. It is funnier than a Roadrunner cartoon!!

[BobKnoss 0]

"I can't prove Duane was Cooper, but there is one thing for sure - some individuals have gone to great extents to make sure the story was NOT told. There are still those alive who know the truths and some of them decided it was time to end it.

The actual players realized their mortality was approaching its end times & decided perhaps it was time to come forward. Whatever - it is time for the truths to be told."
[skyjack71]

Then you call me a dangerous liar, a nutcase, and worse. If you had an openminded analytical ability as huge as your ego born stubbornness to create a fairytale of your own design, you would have understood the entire Project back in 2000. You have 'suffered' 14 years of frustration of your own making because you can not accept the truth. Protecting people because they 'have children' is beyond my scope. You change the truth (polite description) so frequently that NOTHING you have said has any credibility at all. I'm not sure if it is intentional or if you have gone off the deep end. In any case, your credibility is totally discredited. And you did it all by your lonesome. The cover-up artists didn't have to lift a finger. I even got your worst enemy off your back, little JT. Would THAT truth shock you!! You will never believe who was posting as JT!!

[Robert99 37]

RobertMBlevins

I only wondered if the FDR would have recorded the time the airstairs light went on and off. I know they used FDR data to help establish where they thought Cooper jumped.

Blevins,

Something had definitely been lost in the translation here.

There are hundreds of parameters that are more important for the FDR to monitor than the aft stairs light on the Flight Engineer's panel. So you can rule that out.

Also, if you had bothered to read the readily available write-up that accompanies the original jump point prediction, you would discover that it was apparently prepared while the aircraft was still airborne enroute to Reno and that the FDR data was, therefore, not available to whoever prepared that estimate.

In fact, in the 1971 time frame, the earliest that the people in Minneapolis, who are apparently the ones that prepared the original jump estimate, would have had access to the FDR data was probably late on the day following the hijacking. Not to mention again (see yesterday's posts) that the FDR data was probably not sufficiently accurate to pinpoint the jump location in the first place.

Your total concentration on trying to connect KC with the hijacking has resulted in your ignoring the basic facts of the incident. Now that your KC "research" has proven to be baseless, you don't seem to have any idea as to what actually happened during the hijacking.

It's time for you to do some reading of factual documents on the whole matter. You obviously haven't done that yet.

Robert99