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Below is your response to Blevins but this last paragraph is UNCALLED FOR:


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WHO am I? Well, the question is: WHO ARE YOU!? My suspicion
is when you lift the veil of YOU (and Jo Weber), there really isn't
much there at all. Just empty space! You and Jo Weber are
nothing but a work_in_progress constantly probing and ploying
like a virus looking for some route of entry into normal healthy
people and the world! You are a parasite. Otherwise, you don't
exist at all!



Jo Weber is much MORE than an EMPTY space or a work in progress. I probe & I search, but NOT always inside of this thread . The demeaning statement including me needs to be addressed.

YOU have claimed many individuals said certain thing, but YOU are VERY SENSITIVE about who U are. We all know Blevins has created his story as he went along & his objective was a book & a movie.

When YOU lump JO in with Blevins - that is a very large leap. Jo has been at this for 18 yrs & she had offers from more than one writer & a movie contract, but that is NOT what I was looking for. I wanted ONLY one thing - that was The Truth!

What have I found in you - a man who will go where-ever he has to go to keep the turths from being told. IF YOU had ALL of the expertise & information you have calimed over the yrs - then perhaps you should REVEAL yourself for all to judge.

YOUR background, employment, personal life, your educational background & I have only ONE QUESTION.

HOW the hell did you get sucked into the Galen Cook Vortex? I have offered you the opportunity to read all 8 inches plus many more on a disk that I have NOT printed regarding the self estemed Cook.

YOU actually bought into his lies & the world of deception he lives in. YOU have to be aware he is sneak, a liar and an abuser. (That is evident by his posting regarding Jo Weber & Tina). He will twist or step on anything that gets in his way if it is NOT going his way.

YOU bought into Galen. but WHY? ONE visit with me to read and view the many communications he made with me & you will see what he really is.

You continue to lump me with Blevins and that will be your downfall. Has GALEN ever asked you to view his PROOF - with both sides in black & white and other communications?

YOU didn't approve of his actions with Tina! You and I were at one time in line on that, but how quickly you forgot the ABUSE Galen tossed out there! Now he is acting all chummy with you & talks about going see Tina with ALICE.

A Frost BITE day in Haiti!

Galen DOES not have the contacts with the FBI he claims - if so - some HEADS of some FBI agents will be rolling! I have not felt well enough to fight with you guys - so I am letting others take what we have and get everything in MOTION. Did you know that "SOMEONE" is reading the crap that GALEN has been spouting off & has access to the exchanges I made with Galen.

YOU swing from one end of the pendlum to the other. WHY you even mention my name along with Blevins is puzzling other than YOU are just ONE of Galen's PUPPETS?

He claims he doesn't want to post here, but since he can't he wants to destroy anything or anyone he considers a threat.
YOU are beginning to sound like just another one of his puppets. I fell for that, but quickly saw thru him.

Eventually U will be on his list, but perhaps U are too old or not important enough for him to worry about. After U are gone he will slander U from one pillar to the other if he considers anything you have offered worth while - he will take credit for it.

He couldn't find TINA & I did ! NOW he will DO whatever he can to make that go away...yet, I have GALEN'S WORDS in BLACK AND WHITE. ALL OF THEM!

Supposedly you & Galen are connected - but WHY would you want to be connected to someone as unscuplous as Galen. You were supposedly concerned about Tina being contacted & now you are BEFRIENDING her attacker!

U have the unmitigated gall to call me a parasite! [:/] Your own words make you a parasite who crawls from host to host speading a deadly virus. Is this HOW U want to be remembered someday?

If you open your PM - I will fill you in on something - but NOT tonight. I am not feeling well & need to lie down.

Have nothing for ya Jo. Feed your myth making and paranoia
elsewhere. (I should say the same things to your cohort in myth
making, Blevins.)

Keep on the sunny side, always on the sunny side,
Keep on the sunny side of life.
It will help us every day, it will brighten all the way,
If we keep on the sunny side of life.

Oh, the storm and its fury broke today,
Crushing hopes that we cherish so dear.
Clouds and storms will in time pass away.
The sun again will shine bright and clear.

Keep on the sunny side, always on the sunny side,
Keep on the sunny side of life.
It will help us every day, it will brighten all the way,
If we'll keep on the sunny side of life.

Let us greet with a song of hope each day.
Though the moments be cloudy or fair.
Let us trust in our Saviour always,
To keep us, every one, in His care.

Keep on the sunny side, always on the sunny side,
Keep on the sunny side of life.
It will help us every day, it will brighten all the way,
If we'll keep on the sunny side of life.

If we'll keep on the sunny side of life

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RobertMBlevins

******Whatever they are paying you, it isn't enough. Or too much, depending on how you look at it.

Your Attack Dog stuff is seen through easily by others with any common sense.

And exactly WHO are you again? I must have missed that part. Most people who ask questions of me at least have the courtesy to identify themselves. As far as I know, you could be some fourth-grader from Stockton, CA who is really good with a computer. :)
Wait. I know. You're that guy from the Geoff Gray book who keeps speaking for him, and posting up false quotes by him...when Gray already said he didn't say those things you attributed to him. Like I was 'untrustworthy,' and 'unstable'. You remember now, right?

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'It's coming to you now...'



This must be at least the fifth time I've made this offer to you: Would you like to see his email on that?

Just wondering....:S

I answered Bennett's question very well. And you sir, are full of BS. You got questions? Email them to me. Because that's the only way you'll get any answers and that's only if I'm in a good mood. And with you, that is doubtful. Your obsession, your agenda is obvious.


Well for the umpteenth time yes. Gray said you were unstable,
untrustworthy, and a serious scoundrel who should not be
trusted. He referred to transactions and dealings that
he was aware of. He didn't want to elaborate and I didn't push
Geoff to explain. All I asked to prompt all of this from Geoff was
if he knew who you were - you had recently arrived here at
Dropzone and were crashing the gate by attacking Sluggo and
others, after being here only a month! I thought your behavior
was a little 'strange' to say the least so in talking to Geoff about
other matters, I brought your name up ... and Geoff gave an
instant very strong negative response!

There it is again for the millionth time. Now STFU!

Gray trashed you completely in that phone call whether you like
it or not. Facts are facts! You can continue to try and wallow
out of this any way you want. At this late date years later why
are you still bringing this up!? You tactics here at Dropzone over
the last four years speaks for itself. We don't even need Geoff
Gray any more. You are a proven liar and manipulator here by
your own actions and words, since August 2010! You have
created a new record while trying to get of the old one that
preceded you here, and that is clear for anyone to see!

Geoff said it not just once but THREE TIMES, as you damned well
know. Three different phone calls.

The last time he said it I posted it here just minutes after he had
said it over the phone to me, quote:

"You can't believe anything he says! Everything he says is
highly highly highly suspect, very highly!!!, highly."


Three "highly"(s). One "Very Highly".

In other words, just as Farflung always charged you, "he makes
stuff up and is a liar".

There! Do you finally have it? Got it?

CAIN YOOO REED? And the same goes for ABEL! Tell Mommy to
tell the SNAKE!

The very fact that you have singled me out and put ME
through all of your shit, is fact enough on it's own! You started
out here at Dropzone by attacking Sluggo and I watched that
series of exchanges rather intently. Sluggo didn't take it very
long and just left Dropzone - a huge loss to Dropzone! But you
didn't mind. It was exactly what you wanted. You have tried
everything in the book to get me banned here and it hasn't
worked so far! That is WHO and WHAT you are. Blevins, as
defined by your own actions here at DZ since August 2010.

No other record or proof is needed

"Everything he says is highly highly highly _ very highly!_
doubtful. You know that. Why do you persist?" Answer:
"Because I am there and have to endure his shit and you aren't!"
Geoff laughed and said, "Yes. That fucking place is a pit of
vipers. Now you know why I won't go there. Just set Blevins
aside. Everyone knows who and what he is or if they don't they
will in time..."


Any more questions? Mister RobertMBlevins, ?

WHO am I? Well, the question is: WHO ARE YOU!? My suspicion
is when you lift the veil of YOU (and Jo Weber), there really isn't
much there at all. Just empty space! You and Jo Weber are
nothing but a work_in_progress constantly probing and ploying
like a virus looking for some route of entry into normal healthy
people and the world! You are a parasite. Otherwise, you don't
exist at all!


:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Actually, I don't know. Now it's THREE phone calls from Gray? All about me?

Oh, okay.

You know...if you get banned by Quade for this crap, I won't feel sorry for you a bit. And I don't think anyone else will, either. You're engaging in nothing but cheap slander, without offering a bit of proof.

Slander? What slander? It's all 1000% true. Moreover I think you
know this. You even acknowledge problems with Gray in your
public apology.

Many people have asked Gray about his feelings, judgement,
and involvement with you, so it's hardly privileged information
exclusive with me.

I told you years ago your problem is with Gray, not me. Frankly
I could care less about your personal machinations.

You complain about "thousands of nasty vile comments against
you on other websites" and even tried to link those to me?.
Phooey! You sit here and talk about me getting banned because
I'm slandering you? I am sure that is your wish. You've run tens
of people off here and forced them to start their own Cooper
discussion group which you poke insults at ~

Call Gray and get this settled between the two of you if you are
man enough, if he will even talk to you.

The fact is none of this "shit" has anything to do with me. I'm
simply a spectator.
Just as I was only a spectator when you
attacked Sluggo over the quality of his website, back in 2010,
and Sluggo left Dropzone.

And yes there have been three conversations between Gray and
myself about you. Three. Count em. One two, three. And the
good part is! They were all reported right here on Dropzone
in a timely fashion when they were news and germane to your
issues at the time years ago, so again I'm telling you, 'go back
and read the thread... etc.' Only you keep bringing this dead
horse up over and over again now for years! It's an issue of
damage control for you so I understand your great angst! And
I say: TOUGH SHIT!

You are a little late by years to be rehashing this old business
again.

Play it again Sam. :D

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Will new revelations suddenly surface on Kenny? The reason I
broach this topic is because of the changing language I detect
lately, new words and phrases being used to promote the Kenny
mythology, phrases like "Deathbed Confession". It sounds like
something straight out of Jo Weber's tool kit, this words now
suddenly being used liberally by, Mr. Blevins.

Shift's in language sometimes portend a change in tactics,
claims, revelations, et cetera. In Diplomatic school they call this:
TRADECRAFT!

What did Kenny say, or will soon be claimed Kenny said, as a
"Deathbed Confession"?

Did Kenny write letters to Lyle and other family during his period
of dying that will now be claimed as a "deathbed testimonial". ?

And, most critically of all, will brand new letters suddenly surface
claimed to be a Deathbed Confession in which Kenny says: "I
was DB Cooper!". Or, "I hijacked an airplane in 1972!".

Of course Lyle or someone else could claim that they had these
letters all along but only recently discovered them?

It might even be claimed that Mr. Bernie Geestman or Geestman's
ex-wife wrote the letters, and Kenny put his "X" on them! This of
course would validate a conspiracy between Geestman and
Kenny which Mr. Blevins has been trying to establish all along ...

Something. Anything! An old hanky with Geestman and Kenny's
mtdna on it with an arrow and an "X" that could be claimed to
point to the DB Cooper hijacking and signed by... Kenny! His big
"X"!

Stranger things have happened in the course of this circus.

The sudden new use of buzz phrases (Tradecraft) like "Death
Bed Confession" may be point toward a new promotion about to
be launched. Time may be running out and a new set of claims
may need to be pout into service, to ignite a final thrust and
victory inder Kooperlandst Uber Alles!.

Maybe das 4 Clydesdales Abreast finally decided to talk, and the
first words out of their mouths were: "Kenny and Bernie did it!"!

:D:D:D




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RobertMBlevins

I apologized to Gray at Third Place Books for Porteous keeping him out of the information loop on Kenny while Porteous and I were working on the book. Nothing more, and Gray said it wasn't a big deal or anything. And these 'phone calls' are nothing but your word on the subject. I could say I got a call from Buzz Aldrin telling me he liked my Mars book The 13th Day of Christmas, and that would hold as much weight as your phony-ass claims about Geoff Gray.

No worries. I will update you later on this whole slander thing you have going.

('100% true' requires a bit more than just your say-so when quoting others, you know.)



Happy to accommodate you Hiawatha.

BTW I said 1000% true. Can't yous reeeeeed'!? Sheesh! Oi vey!

The only person with a slander-thing is you Blevins. Well you and
Jo Weber. The rest of us are sane and fit and fine. Good luck.
You'll need it!

Keep track of the fact Gray's ass is in the grass over you and
your slander shit too! It's you and Gray to the wire. Who will kill
who off? Who will damage whose reputation? How many Cheereos
in a box?

My guess is Gray has 10 times the moxy you do and it's you
going to wind up in the dumpster, not Gray.

The rest of us are mere spectators Blevins keeps trying to get
banned! It's the craziest thing since the house cat killed and ate
the neighbor's camel! That poor dumb camel never knew it was
coming! Crazy wicked house cat!!

:ph34r:

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RobertMBlevins

Right. All your attempts at fancy double-talk don't change the facts.

You have quoted Geoff Gray saying really nasty things about me via not one, but THREE phone calls now. And you can dance and twirl all you want on that, but the truth is you haven't provided a shred of proof on any of it. I have an email from Gray on this subject. Would you care to see it? (Easy question. A yes or no kind of thing.)

If you are going to quote a living, known person with saying bad things about me, you should be prepared to back that up with a minimum of proof. Especially when you claim it's firsthand via personal phone calls. Otherwise it's slander. Publicly. On this website. You haven't.

Better get to work on that.

I didn't say I wanted you banned. I said if you WERE I wouldn't feel sorry for you a bit.



The double talk and slander is your hallmark.

The rest of us are just spectators in your soap opera conducted
from what you call AB Books.

Proof was provided in all cases but you chose to deny it/would \
not even reads it! Starts clear back with the Cooper Comic on
Shemya; took much time for you to accept Snowmman's analysis.
The same applied to my interviews with Geoff Gray. You denied
they even happened. Geoff even denies having any email
exchanges with you except, he says, "for a few one liners". Then
you denied the existence of the Mike Fitzsimmons interview of
Lyle ... and you still deny that.

All of these matters were posted by myself and others
accurately, but you refuse to even read or address those posts!

You say we are not up to your high standards.

Virtually the same litany comes from Jo Weber. She refuses to
acknowledge or accept reality.

The Biblical Flood only lasted 40 days. Your flood is still ongoing
for 1390 days. Prisoners at Abu Grave have even been released!
What's your excuse for continuing to holding Dropzone hostage?

Jo has been here torturing folks for 2748 days nonstop!

Nothing has been accomplished!

Jo relies on a deathbed confession by Duane which only she
heard, but didn't even record. It is time for you and Lyle to
produce Kenny's deathbed confessions/lost letters in which
Kenny confesses to being DB Cooper.


Other suspects are soon to emerge. It's time for you to produce
or get off the pot! Others are waiting to be heard.

B|


Have a good one.

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Remember Chuck Cunningham? No? A couple of years after the Cooper hijacking a TV show called "Happy Days" starring not so little Ronny Howard premiered on ABC. Ronny played Richie Cunningham and lived with his parents, his brother Chuck and his sister Joanie. After the first season, Chuck went off to college and was never seen again. When the series ended several years later, the Cunningham parents talked about the joys of having their two children. Chuck, as it turned out, never existed I guess.

What is the point of that story? Well, I've been going back and reading the early days of the thread. Do you remember the Kenny Christianson story has it's own Chuck Cunningham. Going back to August 2010, Robert Blevins reported Bernie, Kenny and a third man were together that weekend of the hijacking. His name was "Dick B.". No more information was given because Mr. B was dead, but his wife was still living.

Then, suddenly, just like Chuck Cunningham, Dick B. has disappeared from the story. So, Robert Blevins, why has Dick B. disappeared from your story?

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georger

***Right. All your attempts at fancy double-talk don't change the facts.

You have quoted Geoff Gray saying really nasty things about me via not one, but THREE phone calls now. And you can dance and twirl all you want on that, but the truth is you haven't provided a shred of proof on any of it. I have an email from Gray on this subject. Would you care to see it? (Easy question. A yes or no kind of thing.)

If you are going to quote a living, known person with saying bad things about me, you should be prepared to back that up with a minimum of proof. Especially when you claim it's firsthand via personal phone calls. Otherwise it's slander. Publicly. On this website. You haven't.

Better get to work on that.

I didn't say I wanted you banned. I said if you WERE I wouldn't feel sorry for you a bit.



The double talk and slander is your hallmark.

The rest of us are just spectators in your soap opera conducted
from what you call AB Books.

Proof was provided in all cases but you chose to deny it/would \
not even reads it! Starts clear back with the Cooper Comic on
Shemya; took much time for you to accept Snowmman's analysis.
The same applied to my interviews with Geoff Gray. You denied
they even happened. Geoff even denies having any email
exchanges with you except, he says, "for a few one liners". Then
you denied the existence of the Mike Fitzsimmons interview of
Lyle ... and you still deny that.

All of these matters were posted by myself and others
accurately, but you refuse to even read or address those posts!

You say we are not up to your high standards.

Virtually the same litany comes from Jo Weber. She refuses to
acknowledge or accept reality.

The Biblical Flood only lasted 40 days. Your flood is still ongoing
for 1390 days. Prisoners at Abu Grave have even been released!
What's your excuse for continuing to holding Dropzone hostage?

Jo has been here torturing folks for 2748 days nonstop!

Nothing has been accomplished!

Jo relies on a deathbed confession by Duane which only she
heard, but didn't even record. It is time for you and Lyle to
produce Kenny's deathbed confessions/lost letters in which
Kenny confesses to being DB Cooper.


Other suspects are soon to emerge. It's time for you to produce
or get off the pot! Others are waiting to be heard.

B|


Have a good one.


Hmmm. Got two emails today about arguments Blevins is having at Amazon over bad book reviews. !

Quote: "If you think he's tangling with people at that skydiver site
you should come over to Amazon and note his arguments with
people giving him bad book reviews. The man has a screw lose.
Good luck with Robert."

See: http://www.amazon.com/review/R3LVJSKPX2EEIC/ref=cm_cr_dp_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0982327188&nodeID=283155&store=books#wasThisHelpful

quote from one review:
The list goes ON and ON and ON. Robert's theories are pure
exploitative trash, advanced in this book solely with the hope of
grabbing some attention and sales. When the facts went against
their hoped for theories, they relied on bad logic and out and out
lies to try to sell this load of BS anyway. It seems to infuriate
Robert that discerning readers notice that. LOL

A penny spent on this book would have been better used simply
thrown in the trash, because then you wouldn't have wasted
your time along with the penny.


Quote: Seldom do we see these days, outside of a KKK rally in
Mississippi, the kind of foot stompin red faced steam flowing out
of ears mentality that accuses people of name calling simply for
saying "the logic in your book is flawed and your evidence does
not support your claims". I see Robert's boss, Gayla, made him
take his slanderous retorts down. Books need to make sense.
This one doesn't and the Gestapo reaction of the author removes
all hope of a happy landing for this Cooper comedy.


Quote: Fredric Alan Maxwell says:
Wow. You sent a report to the "FBI" [sic]. How did you find their
address?


I feel so much better!B|

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georger



The only person with a slander-thing is you Blevins. Well you and
Jo Weber. The rest of us are sane and fit and fine. Good luck.
You'll need it!

:ph34r:



Georger, You can keep Jo out of your messages regarding slander. It is I who have PROOF a certain someone is slandering me! I have offered you the opportunity to view this stuff first hand, but obviously you want on to keep STUFF going!

Former Government employees from that time era are STARTING to loose their fear of having their retirements and health plans taken away. "STAND UP and be COUNTED" is starting to happen! NAM veterans are starting to TALK. Old Soldiers are starting to feel the UNREST regarding issues the GOVERNMENT has evaded and never took responsiblity for. As some of them approach the end stage of their lives - they are standing up for the 1st time!

Knock off the SLANDER thing on Jo - she has not slandered anyone - I have UNDENIAL PROOF of things being the OTHER way around! YOU had the first offer a LONG time ago, but you chose your side.

Anyone ever check to see if everyone who was involved with the beings of this was still alive. Uploaded on Dec 15, 2008

***The CIA/Air America film "Flying Men, Flying Machines" produced circa '70/'71. The air drop tests were likely done at the CIA/Air America facilities at the Takhli Royal Thai Air Force Base.

Well, better get busy! Georger YOU are rather behind with your end of this - the gate is electified and the barb wire is on the fence. Be very careful how you enter!
Perhaps they know who you are & the guards will be expecting you when you arrive. DO NOT look UNDER the CANVAS when you pick up your load!
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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RobertMBlevins

Georger says in part:

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'Hmmm. Got two emails today about arguments Blevins is having at Amazon over bad book reviews. !

Quote: "If you think he's tangling with people at that skydiver site you should come over to Amazon and note his arguments with people giving him bad book reviews. The man has a screw lose. Good luck with Robert."


It's 'screw loose,' not 'lose,' by the way...

You mean Maxwell's review from more than three years ago? The last time I commented on that was in 2011. I don't comment personally on reviews anymore. In fact I think it's been at least two or three years since I made a comment to any review. So the idea you would suddenly get emails about me commenting at Amazon seems a bit strange. But that's not the strangest part.

That book has twenty-five reviews. Overall, it is rated at four stars out of five. Seventeen of the reviews give Blast either four or five stars, the remainder run the gamut. That's the way it goes. Not even classic books get all five-star ratings.

Let me tell you about a strange coincidence, though.

Two days ago I sent a private message to Amazon, telling them that because of personal references and names used on a certain review there...that I suspected the reviewer was a phony. Also, the reviewer only made one post at Amazon - ever - and that was his tirade about Geoff Nelder, yours truly, AB of Seattle, and other references he used in his review, which made me believe he was either from Dropzone, or knew me personally.

That review was investigated by Amazon, and it was removed. The user's Amazon account was closed. This was YESTERDAY. Seems funny you would come TODAY with this review stuff and claim to receive emails about this very subject. Am I talking now to 'Max Gastineau'? Hell, I thought Max was a guy named Mark R. from Auburn. It's just funny you would come with this crap the day after Amazon did this on the same book where you refer to reviews.

You see, if you were Max, you would have received an email from Amazon on why your account and the review were deleted...which could have motivated your comments here today.

The only thing I can't believe is that you would spend the money to do this. You don't seem the type to go that far. In order to make a review at Amazon under a new account, you have to purchase something and then wait 24 hours. THEN you can review. This sounded more like Mark R's style than yours, I'll admit. You love searching the internet for additional Blevins-trashing references, but I don't see you as the type who would spend money from his own pocket to create his own phony review.

(BACKGROUND: Mark R was a guy here in Auburn who I signed to a trilogy a few years back. He wrote one, and then sent me a totally OTT political diatribe, which he demanded I publish. I rejected it. When he decided to bail on the trilogy, I terminated the contract for breach. He was not happy, of course. He made personal references in his 'review' that led me to believe it was him. So I asked Amazon to investigate.)

But it's still a hell of a coincidence, you have to admit. 'Max' is deleted yesterday, and you bring up a review of Blast. Today.

No worries. I find it hard to believe you would do that. On the other hand, you spend all of your time here seemingly searching the internet for any reference you can find as fodder. You are no longer a Cooper investigator, if you ever really were. You're nothing but a stalker who engages in cheap shots and slander every chance you get. And all of them begin with 'Blevins'. That's all you do here.

Reviews? Hell, you didn't even hit on a really GOOD 'bad' review. You want to talk bad reviews? Baby, I got one for you. This guy was the worst, LOL. :)
Georger, You remind me a lot of the character 'Oliver Crangle' from the Twilight Zone episode, Four o'Clock. You really do. Instead of a phone and newspaper clippings...you use Google. But you are just like him.

Tell ya what. Anytime you decide to come with a post that actually refers to the Cooper case, make sure you preface that post with a warning for everyone...so users here won't drop over from shock. As I said before, you are nothing but predicatable.

==============================================
'You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life...'
Winston Churchill



Ritty tighty bo banzoi. Yous nailed me! I am the one and the only
(scroling to get the name right) uhhhhh, one, uhhh,
m I talking now to 'Max Gastineau'?

That's right. That's me!

Maxy aka "Spear Chucker" GASTINEAU. Yep that are me! Ripe
from my recent gig with the Foreign Legion and Seal Team 16
in Pantaloona Somolia, at your service sir!

Got anyone you want me to huff and puff and blow away?

You know the number to call.

You know my rate. Paid in advance of course.

Thanks for the revealing session, Blevins. We learned a lot today.
Next week let's talk about projection, paranoia, passive-
aggression, transference and auto regression, and Lorazepam.

"Superman and the Mole Men vs. DB Cooper" will be shown in
the dorm this weekend. Don't miss it!

Signing off for now:

Max Gunther Gastineau aka "Kisi Mu"

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RobertMBlevins

Mark Bennett says in part:

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'Going back to August 2010, Robert Blevins reported Bernie, Kenny and a third man were together that weekend of the hijacking. His name was "Dick B.". No more information was given because Mr. B was dead, but his wife was still living.

Then, suddenly, just like Chuck Cunningham, Dick B. has disappeared from the story. So, Robert Blevins, why has Dick B. disappeared from your story?'



I didn't say they were together. (He was a single guy with a brother, also deceased.) I did wonder for a while if Blume was a third wheel in the hijacking, and I had reasons to suspect it, although I never came to a conclusion. Dick Blume was a guy Margie Geestman tried naming as possibly being the guy who was with her husband when he disappeared the week of the hijacking. This was early on in interviews when she tried naming everyone on the planet...EXCEPT Kenny. None of them panned out. It wasn't until her final interview when I presented her with Helen Jones' testimony that she finally admitted that yes...it was Christiansen who was with Bernie Geestman that week.

I explained that on the previous page I think:

***'Geestman, as prosecutor Scott Rolle said in his email, was a 'tough nut to crack'. I had the same experience with him. I am convinced that Margie Geestman was telling the truth about an incident that happened six years after the hijacking. They were now living at least part-time on the property in Oakville. And a guy they knew named Dick Blume, an ex-paratrooper as well, died on the Chehalis River. He lived alone in a house in Oakville. He was also a drunk. The next day, Bernie was seen with a number of boxes of Blume's personal effects and going through them in the shop building Bernie and she owned there. When she questioned him about it, he told her to get out and forget about it. The boxes mostly contained photographs and other personal items. The next day they disappeared.

This may correlate to why Bernie did the same thing at Margie's ranch in Twisp in 1994. He broke in less than a month after Kenny died and stole personal papers and photo albums belonging to Margie. (And it's a hell of a drive from Woodinville to Twisp.) I have wondered whether Bernie approached Blume at some point about hijacking a plane, and was looking for anything Blume may have left behind implicating him. I have copies of order forms for house plans with Blume's name on them, but they were actually ordered by Bernie Geestman. They date from about 1968, so Geestman knew Blume for around ten years at least. Blume was five six and had blond hair and blue eyes, so he couldn't have been the hijacker. I checked with Porteous when his name came up...'


It's a weird deal. Blume is WAY off the description and could not have been Cooper. Yet Bernie (for some reason we don't know) broke into the guy's house the day after he died and stole the boxes of photos and personal stuff. He does the same thing 17 years later at Margie's place and rips off All Things Kenny, especially photos. I don't have all the answers. But that's what happened.

Maybe people will understand better now why I sometimes say that all these folks should be brought to the Seattle FBI office and questioned. I mean ALL of them. Bernie, his ex wife, his sister Dawn, Helen Jones, Jones' daughter, Ann Grimes (sold Kenny the house) etc. Hell, I don't know. :)
Maybe you should have followed the 'paper trail' instead of trying
to mind meld and force people into saying what you wanted to
hear?

Because at every critical juncture, you describe multiple people
'breaking in and stealing' other people's critical papers? Kenny's
papers. Margies' papers. Other people's papers.

Quite obviously you are contending that critical paperwork
existed
which principle players rushed to find, steal, or cover
up to remove from the eyes of the world!

What papers?" Papers about what? You speculate about
everything else. You might as well speculate about the nature
of the critical papers being stolen and covered up?

But you then even demurred on following the public paper trail on
Kenny's house to get a proper interpretation of Kenny's affairs.

Your claim about the value of Kenny's stamp and coin collection
turned out to be wildly over estimated - no paper work there!

Given that basic fact of your methodology, or lack of one, it
opens the door to your critics attacking you for avoiding primary
evidence (ie. paper work) in order to arrive at a pre-conceived
result that Geestman, others, and Kenny had a conspiracy to
hijack an airplane, and Kenny was DB Cooper in spite of the fact
Kenny doesn't fit the FBI profile.

This could only result in a personal war between you and others
because your methods are based on personal interpretation and
claims ... which others are not going to see the same way!

In the end it's just your words vs. everyone else's, with no
tangible independent proof of anything.

That is a situation guaranteed to generate venom and wild claims
on all sides.

:)

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Do not feel up to a long post. Georger I am asking you to leave JO WEBER out of the conversations. I am NOT part of the Blevins thing and never have been.

Blevins' refusale to make his witness available is ALL telling.

Right now, the LONG weekend is going to be a struggle...I REALLY do NOT feel very good. Had to go to the hardware (small local business) & pay a premium price to pick up large lawn waste bags...just did NOT feel like making the drive to the BIG BOX store. The lawn man will be here tomorrow to trim the shrubs.

My pain level is OFF the WALL. Nothing to do with my current health. Just an old injury that has plagued me for yrs...but the worse it had ever been.

I have spent most of the last 2 days on the couch or in bed....very painful to sit at the computer.
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It's a weird deal. Blume is WAY off the description and could not have been Cooper.



OK. Now I'm confused.
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It's a weird deal. Blume is WAY off the description and could not have been Cooper.



OK. Now I'm confused.

This is probably my doing. I wrote asking about Dick Blume, who Robert inferred might also be involved when he first came to the thread.

This was Robert's post on August 21, 2010
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1. There is one question the FBI always asks and the only one they are ever going to respond to. Can you put your subject on the plane?

ANSWER: Not for certain. We know Christiansen, a man named 'Dick B' (last name withheld for now because his wife is still alive) and 'Mike Watson' (alleged man on the ground) took Mike's Airstream trailer and station wagon from Oakville, WA two days before the crime. They completely skipped Thanksgiving dinner and were gone for more than a week. Mike returned to Oakville alone and refused to tell his ex where he had gone. Five months later, his sister got a $5,000 cash loan from Kenny, who was making less than $600 a month and had no savings. Three months later, Kenny bought his house in Bonney Lake for cash. We have hard evidence on both these items. Oakville is located about halfway between Kenny's old apartment in Sumner and Portland, Oregon. Our theory is that Dick B and Mike Watson drove Kenny to the Portland Airport, dropped him off, and then parked off the river at Paradise Point State Park near Battleground, WA. The money found in 1980 was only three or four miles from the park.



This was Robert's post on August 23, 2010

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'Dick B' refers to the person that witness 'Katy Watson' said her ex-husband was with over Thanksgiving 1971 in the trailer and station wagon. Porteous and I believe it's *possible* Dick was involved on the ground. We found out some interesting things about him. He was a paratrooper in WW2, Korea, and possibly in the early days of the Vietnam War. He and the ex-husband 'Mike Watson' did a lot of shady deals together in the 1960's, says the wife, and the two men were good friends. Kenny Christiansen was not involved in these deals, but he knew both men. However, we eliminated Dick B as the actual hijacker because he doesn't even come close to the FBI description, not a bit.

I'll be happy when all of this Cooper stuff is behind me and I can go back to editing books and running AB of Seattle. Trust me on this.



And, believe it or not, that last sentence was also written in 2010...Kinda feels like deja vu, doesn't it?

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'Lo all... Just came across this on tv -> watching "America's dark secrets declassified" on Cooper... With Jerry and Cook inter alia. I'm guessing this has been dissected here at some point already so if anyone can remember what pages or give me a brief summary, would be mice appreciated.

Hope everyone well...
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Not your doing Mark That was my way of pointing out that KC is also WAY off the description as well.



5+ years in, and we still have not heard one word about Kenny's
(familial) speech patterns, from Gray or Blevins!

No accent? I doubt that. Minnesota Norwegian-Germanic?

The Gay Effect?

Any truth to the rumor Kenny spoke with a lis'psh?

Any truth to the rumor Kenny spoke like Lyle?

5'8", bald, wrong eye color, and now we are told Kenny spoke
with a detectable speech pattern(s) which witnesses missed too?

Could DB Cooper have been in a Cocker Spaniel costume and
that passed notice too? How far are we willing to go down this
road of denial and gullibility for the sake of social media
enterprise and entertainment ?

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EDIT: Point of Order: Can we agree that the best, most updated information we have available on Kenny Christiansen will be presented in August, once and for all? And that Kenny currently has NOT been proven to be Cooper? And that after Greg's plan is implemented...Kenny still won't be proven as Cooper?

If we can agree to these things, then we can move on to talking about something else BESIDES Kenny. After we update the book, provide it free, update the KC report, make it free, put the slideshow presentation on YouTube...then you can complain. Or ask questions. Or investigate on your own. Until then, we should move on.



I think we can all agree on that. You're Kenny's sponsor. I think it's safe to say most of us don't consider Kenny a viable suspect. So, if you don't talk about him, I think we'll have moved on.

But, if you've researched Kenny's financial and property transactions, I will be curious to see what you've come up with.

I can tell you if you found bank statements showing $200,000 in deposits right after the hijacking, you might change my mind!

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He says we might be onto something, but he wants to see everything, enough so that he will fly out from Minneapolis this August.



Robert,
Just like the others with a favored suspect, you are starting from the position that you know who the hijacker is and then try to fit the existing evidence into your story.

The problem is you start a step behind the others. Jo, Marla, the Foremans -- they all heard or believe they heard someone say their preferred suspect is the hijacker. Marge and Bernie might point fingers at each other, but none will affirmatively point to Kenny.

That's ok....it's just a hurdle to overcome. You can do it, but there has to be more.

The number of emails you get supporting Kenny as the hijacker don't count. Those are probably not from people who as knowledgeable about the case as those on this forum. Having lots of supporters don't help your case. To paraphrase Einstein, if you could prove it, you wouldn't need any.

Then, you come down to the physical description.

Too short....The SHORTEST description anyone gave was 5'9". You're trying to stretch a 5'8" man into that description.

Too bald....You suggest he could have been wearing a toupee. Look the drawing from Flo's description. Severe widow's peak. That is the look of a balding man, not a bald man, and certainly not a toupee wearing man.

Too white...You suggest he could be tanned. The description was closer to southern European than tanned. Even if you decide to stay with the tanned angle, why was he still tanned when it is almost December? Who suggests he was tanned in the late fall?

Then, there is the description of Kenny's personality. By all accounts, he was a good guy. Everybody liked him. He had no criminal history. Is this the kind of guy that would kidnap 30+ people and ransom them? He doesn't fit that.

He had a grudge against Northwest Airlines? He stayed with them 20 years AFTER the hijacking. That fact belies both the grudge and the claim he came into a bunch of money.

Then, you get into his finances. You originally started with his house. We now know he didn't buy it for cash. The house he bought was not a house a wealthy man would have bought. This was a house not much larger than a trailer on a rural highway. We now know he assumed a mortgage for half of it. Is the financing of the other half suspicious? As near as I can tell -- it's not suspicious. It's just that nobody has taken them time or made the effort to look it up.

The loan to Dawn Androsko. That raises lots of red flags. That $5000 loan is worth $25,000 in 2014. Who borrows that kind of money from a stranger? Wouldn't she worry someone would break her legs if she didn't pay up? And, how does a single woman with three kids pay back that kind of money in two years? There's a lot more to that story. You seem to take a lot of it at face value.

You then say
A. Bernie says Kenny could be the hijacker
B. Bernie was with Kenny that weekend
Therefore -- Kenny is the hijacker.

For someone who says Bernie is a big liar, you seem to believe he wasn't lying when he made that first statement.

We don't know for sure what Bernie or Kenny were doing that weekend, or even if they were together, but lets stipulate that they were. If we go back to Occam's Razor - the simplest explanation is most likely -- they were doing something they didn't want anyone to know about. It's quite a leap (no pun intended) to assume he's the hijacker.

So, since you like to post lists, let's review.

1) Kenny doesn't match the description
2) He has no history of criminal activity
3) He lived in a small home and kept working after the hijacking
4) He left an estate not inconsistent with the sale of timber land in the early 1990s.
5) You base your case on witness testimony, but none of the witnesses will state Kenny was Cooper.


You can tell a good story and make it sound like Kenny is a good suspect. But, when you step back and look at it, the question is not "Is Kenny a viable suspect?". The question is "Why is Kenny a suspect at all?".

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'Lo all... Just came across this on tv -> watching "America's dark secrets declassified" on Cooper... With Jerry and Cook inter alia. I'm guessing this has been dissected here at some point already so if anyone can remember what pages or give me a brief summary, would be mice appreciated.

Hope everyone well...




Wow, Orange, welcome home!

Yeah, both Jerry T and Galen got screen time on TV. I don't remember how much we talked about it here, as we have been very busy as you can see - back-stabbing, character assassinating, name-calling and such.

You were conjured a few months ago when we were discussing different way to torture me. Jo wanted me strung up by my balls until I squealed, while Miss Amazona was smitten with the notion of kicking my ass out the door of an airplane at 14,000 feet. The big issue was, as I recall, whether folks wanted me to be wearing an actual parachute or not - regardless of whether it was an NB-8 or Pioneer.

It was further speculated that you might be more in the camp of those who desired me to depart from the plane without a parachute - but that was only speculation, since you've been busy elsewhere, obviously.

Regardless, 377 assured everyone that he would be right behind me and perform a rescue in some not yet fully detailed aerial snatch, but he did go on record as he did not want to see a good journalist "bounce."

As for Galen and the TV show, I think our conversations centered less on his rowboating activites at Tina Bar and more along the lines if he should join me in the stringing up ceremonies, after which he suggested that I be appointed a Guardian Ad Litem for Mrs Cooper by the State of Florida.

As for Jerry T, he was pretty much quiet here despite his Hollywood moments, and only drew attention when he called me to say that everything that Jo has said is "100% bullshit."

JT also went on to say that he had spoken to the nurse on duty in 1995 at Duane's health care facility and the nurse said that she only heard Duane mumble something about knowing who DB Cooper was, and never announced that he was Dan Cooper himself, as his lovely widow now claims.

Some other DZ News that you might enjoy:

After getting placed on vacation here twice - the last time for talking too much sex stuff, such as did Eng really have sex with Marla - Mr Shutter and I teamed up to develop alternative sites to the DZ so that we could discuss issues that matter to us without fear of being tortured (or of being called a murderer, which was another high-point of this thread several months back). The task of getting a high-octane discussion site off the ground fell to Shut, and it's up and running at:

http://www.thedbcooperforum.com/

Anyways, good to have you back sittin' with us at the Cooper table.

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"...EDIT: Anyone who wishes to attend the slideshow this August, the one held privately, must apply by the end of June because that's when we print up the theater programs and finalize the guest list. No PM's. You must provide your true name, the city where you live, any special needs you have, and send this request to adventurebooksofseattleAT G-Frickin' Mail Dot Com. Only people on the list will be allowed to attend after-hours...."


Wow. Secret showings! Now, that's my kind of Cooper Sleuthing Extravaganza. Can I come just for the after-hours elbow-rubbin'?

Do I need to apply, or should I just inform the Auburn PD that I plan to attend? Please let me know as my budget this year for bail payments has already been reached. T-Y, Bobby - All the best!

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***He says we might be onto something, but he wants to see everything, enough so that he will fly out from Minneapolis this August.



Robert,
Just like the others with a favored suspect, you are starting from

So, since you like to post lists, let's review.

1) Kenny doesn't match the description
2) He has no history of criminal activity
3) He lived in a small home and kept working after the hijacking
4) He left an estate not inconsistent with the sale of timber land in the early 1990s.
5) You base your case on witness testimony, but none of the witnesses will state Kenny was Cooper.


.

And if you believe the rumors, he had a speech impediment! A
LISP'TSCH? Good grief Blevins. You withheld vital info.

Your smart ass reply: "He spoke English" cinches it.

Find a new set of suckers you can milk for 4 years. Say hello to
Myers & Dvorak. :D

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