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Public pressure, no matter how great, will not force the FBI to investigate KC. They already know of him, and know he is a poor suspect.

Memories. Why should Helen Jones memory carry any more weight than Marla's? Did Helen pass a polygraph?

Robert, you once claimed that Kenny bought his house with cash. Don't fool yourself into thinking this is not a big issue. The cash purchase of his house was the biggest piece evidence you had against him. You simply can't push that aside as if it no longer matters, now that we know he didn't buy the house with cash.
"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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Public pressure, no matter how great, will not force the FBI to investigate KC. They already know of him, and know he is a poor suspect.



Good point. And, it would be wrong to say Kenny didn't get a hearing from the FBI. Larry Carr worked with Geoff Gray and they still speak today (at least according to Gray). So I believe Kenny did get a hearing.

If there is new evidence on Kenny, it will stand on it's own. If there is new evidence, why wait to release it? If it needs to be presented at a media event, I suspect its more sizzle than steak.

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Greg (our tech guy) and Gayla say it's a waste anyway. Greg thinks I should just talk about my new book (non-Cooper), do a slideshow on that instead of doing KC. I could just mail a few media packs to the major entities and leave it at that. Maybe Greg and Gayla are right.

As things stand now, I can just let the book continue to sell at Amazon, update the KC report a bit, work on the script over the summer, and see what happens. I've heard so much crap about this, so much negativity, I'm starting to have second thoughts. Why should I personally care? I stand to lose a lot more than I stand to gain.






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Blevins, I am Sorry, but this wishy washy statement had me laughing out loud. Now you have turned all of this into the biggest HA HA HA ever!

Especially "I stand to lose a lot more than I stand to gain."

YOU were whipped before you started - but, you did NOT listen to anyone!

Anyone on for BETs that he retracts this statement in the next few weeks. There is a sucker born everyday - so who is the sucker.....Blevins, Cook, Gray, Gunter, Tosaw, Sailshaw or Weber. I am sure I forgot someone!

We can predict Blevins' every move - it is endless!

REALLY want to impress the public - GET all of your characters on the stage for a question and answer session. Better hurry they aren't getting any younger!

QUESTION! Why have they NOT come forward to support your book? I DO NOT want to hear about your interviews again -We all know it by heart.

What will your witnesses say on a stage being questioned by the audience & the media. I am NOT talking about the locals - I am talking about real journalist and media personel and Others prepared to fire real questions at them....such as the members of this thread.

:)YOU cannot be the moderator. You cannot restrict their answers and they cannot decline to answer a question nor can you decide what questions will be asked.

Those who can ask questions will be required to have read a history question and answer booklet provide several weeks in advance. This booklet will NOT promote or lean toward anyone suspect, but be a factual accounting of the occurences on the plane, the aftermath, the files provided and made public by the FBI, the landing zones (all of them)...in fact that in itself would be a book!

No theories or suspect in the book - JUST the FACTS. These individuals need to over 65 just so they at least have some comprehensions of what life was like in 1971.

They will prepare their questions in advance and work as a group. No one asking the same question.

Your subjects need to support what they told you in PUBLIC!
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Greg (our tech guy) and Gayla say it's a waste anyway. Greg thinks I should just talk about my new book (non-Cooper), do a Why should I personally care? I stand to lose a lot more than I stand to gain.



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Blevins, I am Sorry, but this wishy washy statement had me !

Glad to see you are up and posting. What's the situation down
there? Frankly was a little worried about you -
G

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Well, that post was a bit sarcastic, and intended to illustrate a point. It's not my job to try and put people on stage in some weird Cooper Q/A session from an audience who probably wouldn't care anyway. I'm going with Greg's plan and that's pretty much all I have to say on the subject. We've been friends for thirty years and he's always been the smarter one.

Tell you the truth, although I talked about it a lot, I wasn't looking forward to presenting Kenny at the theater again. There are other things in my life besides HIM, and I'd rather have people take a look at something more recent I've done. Kenny's a sideshow. He was the guy or maybe he wasn't. Sometimes I think it's someone else's turn to figure it out. So we do the mailing and leave it at that.





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Sarcastic? Blevins I don't know how to be sarcastic! I am DEAD serious about everything I say! :D:)
You wrote the story! Stand behind YOUR words & have the individuals (your witnesses) stand by their words & what you wrote and have publicized for several yrs now.

I have several questions wrapped up in one question.

Did you guys proof Blevins book for factual content & accountability before it was published?
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Since the FBI did not respond to the things I sent them - I will copy and mail them to them:

"summary of the content"

;)
If the FBI has looked up anything I sent them on the 19th of April then they will know the truth....Surely it doesn't take them more than a wk to do a little paperwork in the court house and some property records in Vancouver and a little ancestory work in Puyallup.

Also a little research into a man N. of Seattle who formed a group to keep younger guys with non-violent crimes out of a Federal Prison.

A communication guy with the initials BRR (deceased) who was a communications specialist in the army & probably had a few skimishes with the law.

Who was the man who worked the Yale tower on Nov.24, 1971?

What does the initial BRR have to do with an old handmade camper kept on some property between the 2 power lines just above Dollars Corner where the pipeline crosses them.

Why would someone need to place a special apparatus on 3 towers and HOW did that help Cooper know were to jump or to let someone know where he was.

Did they check an old grave marker dated in 1971 to see if there are 2 bodies buried there - I couldn't find it.

Fact or fiction, but put them together and you might solve the crime.

BRRrrr it is cold and wet on May 1, 2014 in Florida.

This has been quiet a ride! Took 18 yrs to complete the journey!

Fact or Fiction? Everyone of them are facts - put the puzzle together and make a trip and find out who Cooper was.

The trail is there just like I said it was, but no one wanted the truth - they just wanted the myth. The myth was more exciting or perhaps it was just too simple.

Ha Ha Ha - Cooper got the last laugh!

Separate the FACTS from the Fiction and solve the crime - 43 yrs in the making, but a puzzle I solved in 1996 - I had all of the pieces and didn't know how to put them together.

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P.S.

GOD - IT is contagious! Now I sound like that guy who with useless clues out there with all of his riddles, but 90% of mine are real. Just a summary of the things Duane talked about or showed me.

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If I post after taking my pill - you guys cannot get any sense of it at all...even Jo can't figure out what she wrote:

It was my frustrations with the idiots that do NO listen & how useless all of this is.

Sailshaw doesn't understand that Sheridan is old and tired & he was not Cooper does NOT feel like dealing with him.

It is difficult to get him to answer a general question but thought because I was a woman - he might communicate with me.

What little conversation I got out of him sounds like he no longer knows what he is talking about -his attention span is only for about 2 lines. I could do better in person because I am NOT accusing him of being Cooper. I wanted him to tell me the names the 2 guys who appoached Sheridan after the vehicle was revealed left at a warehouse near the airport.

These 2 guys thought Cooper was one of a group of men they took up a yr or 2 before the jump. A company out of the S.E. with a contest (winner or looser got to jump out of a plane). The car left at the warehouse was a rental and utilized by a man out of the SE. These 2 guys tied the two together and the contacted the fBI. Supposedly it was checked out, but Duane at that time worked for some really mobster looking guys and the others were very high key but connected to the other group. The group who left a rental there was a Company that wrote insurance for unions, jumpers, tower people,radar.....high risk jobs....the owner looked like mafia. I will NOTE that after the skyjacking Duane loaned his boss 5 K and I have the papers to prove it.

Then in 1983 - I get to meet this boss and he looked like a very rich mafia man to me and Duane had a package to deliver to him...this may have been when we went to the airport for Duane to see onE of the tower controls guy - what ever THE gave to the Duane he was able to put in a suit pocket of vest pocket. The man did NOT want to do the conversation (or make the delivery) in front of me - so they go to the deck and come back in and go to his office.

We had just left the Tx group - who didn't WANT CAMERAS in the room & THE MEN WENT OFF FOR A WHILE AND THE WOMAN STAYED DOWN STAIRS...NEVER FIGURED THIS OUT.


Evidently Sailshaw had contacted SHERIDAN and he IS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT. SHERIDAN WANTED TO KNOW IF this WAS SAILSHAW. He still doesnt want to talk him.


He doesn't want to talk to him and asked me if I am sailshaw ever time. Sheridan thinks (or knows) sailshaw is accusing him of being Cooper. he doesn't want to talk to him. He acts like he wants to talk to me but 2 lines in he is on another track .
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I agree........somebody has highjack#1 in their logbook, after all
WTC#1, World Series#1 (same person btw)
are in logbooks
some of the most spectacular moments in this sport that I have witnessed were hold my beer and watch this, or just because I can.....
it was laundered and partied away....and maybe a dz or two needed startup funds....(see roger nelson for example)

I bet some of the 20's were used to get the long rumored OTTLEY number in a logbook or two.

Points if you even know what an ottley number is!!!

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Blevins, I am Sorry, but this wishy washy statement had me laughing out loud. Now you have turned all of this into the biggest HA HA HA ever!

Especially "I stand to lose a lot more than I stand to gain."

YOU were whipped before you started - but, you did NOT listen to anyone!

Anyone on for BETs that he retracts this statement in the next few weeks. There is a sucker born everyday - so who is the sucker.....Blevins, Cook, Gray, Gunter, Tosaw, Sailshaw or Weber. I am sure I forgot someone!

We can predict Blevins' every move - it is endless!

REALLY want to impress the public - GET all of your characters on the stage for a question and answer session. Better hurry they aren't getting any younger!

QUESTION! Why have they NOT come forward to support your book? I DO NOT want to hear about your interviews again -We all know it by heart.

What will your witnesses say on a stage being questioned by the audience & the media. I am NOT talking about the locals - I am talking about real journalist and media personel and Others prepared to fire real questions at them....such as the members of this thread.

:)YOU cannot be the moderator. You cannot restrict their answers and they cannot decline to answer a question nor can you decide what questions will be asked.

Those who can ask questions will be required to have read a history question and answer booklet provide several weeks in advance. This booklet will NOT promote or lean toward anyone suspect, but be a factual accounting of the occurences on the plane, the aftermath, the files provided and made public by the FBI, the landing zones (all of them)...in fact that in itself would be a book!

No theories or suspect in the book - JUST the FACTS. These individuals need to over 65 just so they at least have some comprehensions of what life was like in 1971.

They will prepare their questions in advance and work as a group. No one asking the same question.

Your subjects need to support what they told you in PUBLIC!


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QUESTION! Why have they NOT come forward to support Blevins book?

I DO NOT want to hear about your interviews again - We know it by heart.

What will your witnesses say on a stage being questioned by the audience & the media. I am NOT talking about the locals - I am talking about real journalist and media personel and Others prepared to fire real questions at them....such as the members of this thread.

Your subjects need to support what they told you in PUBLIC!



My question was NOT directed at U, but a question I would personally direct at the witnesses if I was on a panel asking them questions.

It is the QUESTION everyone wants answers to:

The Question is for YOUR WITNESSES to answer - NOT YOU.

Pretend I am on the panel. I stand up and ask them this QUESTION! I am directing the question to your witnesses.

AGAIN - YOU cannot answer for them. U would NOT be on the panel. In fact U could be required to NOT be in the room so the would not feel intimidated. They will take an oath that their answers would be the same they would make in a court of law.

The question needs to be directed at YOUR WITNESSES. You have to agree NOT to prosecute as they will be under oath.

Why have they (referencing your witnesses and source - not you Blevins) NOT come forward to support your book? Quotes of their statements as recorded in your book can be used - so there is NO misinterpertation.

What will they answer? Perhaps they have already been approached regarding the claims you made. When you implicate individuals who have a voice & a right to speak for themselves - tread carefully.

Perhaps you said to them "Just go along with it - my reseach supports what I have written."

You continue to flaunt their words in this thread even after they supposedly told you - "That is NOT what I said". You the supposedly re-assure them your research supports all of your theories.

Well, your research was busted on this thread.
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Robert after everything I have told you I might have figured it out how Kenny and Bernie pulled it off here's what I think happend
Bernie picks up Kenny at his apartment and the two drive to the Portland airport with the station wagon and trailer
Bernie drops Kenny off and drives back to the property or paradise point state park
Kenny hijacks the plane and makes sure none of the stewardess get a look at him
Upon landing in Seattle Kenny gets the money and the chutes and the plane takes off
Kenny jumps out of the plane and either calls Bernie or meets up with him
Kenny and Bernie then go somewhere for a couple days before Bernie returns Kenny to his apartment and returns home
So Robert what do you think of that

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Close, but here is the way I think it went down:

Bernie picked up Kenny, they went camping.



who knows!? who can know!? All we do know is the day and the
weekend existed, came and went. What these people did or did
not do is totally unproven. He said she said another said this or
that. Not one word from the principal parties involved and one of
those is dead. IF someone said the other was with the other,
maybe he was just covering for the other. There were marital
problems going on with the one - that much is for certain.
Maybe one spent the weekend with a girlfriend in Philadelphia?
And his friend covered for him? Or maybe they were both off
doing their own thing, then one covered for the other later, after
a martial issue came up?

No INDEPENDENT verification of anything, in any event.

But it can be discussed ad nauseum for four years here!
That much is certain and we have proof! :D

ps: Anyone know if there was an intercom speaker in the cockpit
of the airplane _ something you could actually hear if a person
at the rear intercom pushed the button and said something?
Or was it all over earphones, after a light came on in the cockpit
indicating someone on the rear "interphone" was saying
something? The system is referred to as an "interphone". ???

With all of the Cooper experts in residence surely someone
knows something so mundane and basic to the Cooper story?

:D

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With all of the Cooper experts in residence surely someone knows something so mundane and basic to the Cooper story?



No such thing as a Cooper expert. They are all Cooper guessperts, myself included.

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With all of the Cooper experts in residence surely someone knows something so mundane and basic to the Cooper story?



No such thing as a Cooper expert. They are all Cooper guessperts, myself included.

377



so what's your guess concerning the cockpit side of the interphone?

speaker? no speaker?

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I'll have to check my 727 manuals. Best guess is no speaker, just handset. Speakers in a cockpit can be a source of undesirable crosstalk.
When communicating with ATC you don't want a conversation with cabin crew to be picked up by the pilots mic.

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I'll have to check my 727 manuals. Best guess is no speaker, just handset. Speakers in a cockpit can be a source of undesirable crosstalk.
When communicating with ATC you don't want a conversation with cabin crew to be picked up by the pilots mic.

377



Exactly - you've nailed the issue at stake. Will fill in details later.
Thanks. See what you can come up with in your manuals if you
don't mind -

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***I'll have to check my 727 manuals. Best guess is no speaker, just handset. Speakers in a cockpit can be a source of undesirable crosstalk.
When communicating with ATC you don't want a conversation with cabin crew to be picked up by the pilots mic.

377



Exactly - you've nailed the issue at stake. Will fill in details later.
Thanks. See what you can come up with in your manuals if you
don't mind -


:)
Remember it was 1971 not 1991. Portable communication was basically in its infancy.

My first experience on a commercial flight was from Atlanta to N.Y. in 1972 for a buying trip in N.Y. for a childrens and teen boutique I was hired to manage.

My second experience was from Atlanta to Dallas in 1974 - compliments of a Delta Pilot I dated at that time.

These being my first commercial flights I was very aware of my surroundings. I watched everything. I do NOT remember the planes models - I do not remember the type of planes. They were large & I was intrigue by the crew.

On of my co-workers in 1975 had applied and been accepted in to a training program, but she bombed out in the 2 wk elimination. She did NOT make it to second base.

The stewardess used a unit attached to the wall of the plane. There was also an intercom speaker the cockpit used when we were approaching our destination and noted for us to secure our belongings.

The cockpit would also comment when we were experiencing turbulence...and made other comments regarding the locations we flew over.

One does NOT forget their 1st 2 flights in a commercial plane.

The next one was from Va. Bch to Louisville for a class reunion in 1985...Duane did NOT go with me.

The only reason I remember the types of planes in 1979 and 1987 was because Duane told me & he explained the flaps & the speeds & the angle of the flaps. He told me exactly what was going on and pointed out the wheel (I called it a wheel on the read door of the 727's) and commented the design was so that the plane could utilize smaller airports.

It was also an access used to deliver the meals and supplies and cleaning crews. He made a comment about he and a prior wife working for an airline in Ca - for a few wks...(she verified this). The cleaned the planes and delivered the meals. I was under the impression this was in the late 60's and out of San Franciso....the exwife verified this with me in our multiple phone calls.

Because of what Duane said in Denver - I had thought the affilliation was in Denver...probably because he took me toa point and told me the model and make of every plane flying in and out and that you could see on the ground.

This was while we lived in Denver and before we moved to Ft. Collins.
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Winding down. I do want to bring up the TIE issue one more time.This is simply a statement on my part...so it will not be forgotten.

The tie -unknown for 4 days, but I never understood why.

Kaye found Ti on it and some aluminun metal. Want to remind U guys of this as I told the story about the man YRs
before this thread & to Mr. H. --- long before Kaye did his research
.

When we lived in Denver 1977, Duane pointed out a plant - He told me he used to know a guy who worked there & they made rods and metals - used in the manufacture of Golf clubs and other things.

When the subject of the findings on the tie were mentioned - I told this story as I originally told it before the FBI had any idea what was on that tie.

WAY before this thread I told about my past with Weber to anyone who would listen.

All of you know that after you brought the metal on the tie up after Kaye did his research...I pointed out that only 2 locations - one on the East coast and one in Denver made the T in 1971.

The one in Denver is the one Duane pointed out to me in 1977 - he used to know a man who worked there & all I understood was it was rods and other things used to manufacture things like Golf Club.

Then in 1979 - Duane took he to one of the mountain communities (off season) hardly anyone there. He gives me some money & tells me to go shopping & he had to go see a guy in the sports shop. Only a handful of shops & I sat in the car for awhile.

Finally just went into the shop. Duane introduced me to his friend - a name I have now forgotten. Duane wanted me out of there & fast. Today I do not remember how the name thing came up.

I may have said Duane & the man may have known him as John ..at any rate Duane did a quick recovery on that - and sent me back to the car. A few moments later he comes to the car with a set of woods. Persimmon golf woods - custom made just for him.

I am sure I told this story better yrs ago, but NOW my memory is getting dull regarding this. The John thing came up again with a man in Alabama...the one who threatened me after I went public and the FBI didn't even contact.

The trip to the mountains was before our trip to WA in the fall of 1979...where Duane talked about things and showed me things only an intimate connection to the WA area would support.

When you guys did all the postings
on the Tie particles. I researched where this stuff was made and that would also have aluminum shavings.

I found & told you guys about the Denver manufacturer & the fact they sold the rods & the titanim to the manufactures.

In regards to Golf Clubs the Titanium
I believe was only used in the striker plate - but cutting the rod - is were the aluminum would come from.


I just wanted to bring this up ONE more time before I can no longer remember or be able to tell these things again.

For some reason this seems important as Weber would have NO idea that in 2006 someone would be able to detect particles on that tie. I have the woods and I am afraid the kids will not know the importance of them to the case.

Duane going to see this man before we went to CO - seems very important. I just know the area was dead - so it was not during ski season....and before our our trip to WA in the early fall of 1979. I had on summer clothes & I did NOT need a sweater or a coat.

Duane did point out a building there - a condo on the corner & mentioned that was a place they stayed - a condo. I assumed a convention. This is all I remember now about that trip...but in retrospect I now wonder if it was not connected to the yrs 1962 to 1966, when he was running as John and was connected to some OTHER things U guys THINK did NOT exist or just want to IGNORE....Intermountain Communications.

The wife known as Mary, Marie and Maria was the one with him from 1962 to 1972.

This is important - Duane knew someone who worked in that factory & 35 plus yrs you guys connect the metal in that factory to the darn Tie Cooper was wearing.

It is NOT like it was a common everyday metal. The man took off his tie before going to the back and I thought that odd and then he put it back on...I do remember the explanation was that he had to wear a TIE in the front, but removed it for the lathe.
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It has all come together:

1962 to 1968 - Duane Weber was John Collins. The places he took me in 1977 & 1978 & 1979. They were ALL part of the 1962 - 1966 yrs. The man who GOT mad in a town below Denver.

NOW - all of that make more sense than it ever did. John C. Collins these guys knew him as John (Dusty) Collins....and he learned what he needed to know thru INTERMOUNTAIN COMMUNICATIONS. Something just snap - all of this stuff about the past it just came together. He talked about LEADVILLE.

Even if they thought they knew who Cooper was - they didn't have a name to go with the person. It is also VERY possible that Intermountain Communications - may have been part of an action within the states....these guys knew the ropes.

A renegade group might have felt they did NOT get paid enough or those that fell would never be known....but, Duane would have been running a real risk to recontact some of these guys - but, they only knew him as JOHN. Even if acted alone - they didn't know who he really was.

This is mind boggling and if you think the FBI will touch it - you have another guess coming..

NO one left to reveal the dirty secrets of the past and that our own government is responsible. Think about it - Duane and his wife go to a convention in WA in 1968 and they could not be identified. Right back where I started from - the conspiracy and when one rethinks all of this as many yrs has a I have and the fact that CARR (Ckret) couldn't find nor reveal the Jefferson file and I couldn't get access to it....

I hope HOLLYWOOD is reading this! I am ready to say and do what has to be done, because right NOW I am MAD! VERY MAD!.

He tried to get the records made public - The man in WA I could never name and NOW it finally clicked - I had gone to this place and time before, but it was never so ragingly evident before. Government Secrets have COST this country WAY too much...and COST way too many lives.
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Details attached. Thanks to Airtwardo and his lovely airline captain wife for the data and thanks to Robert Blevins for the photos.

Also included is info on the 727 voice recorder system.

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Manual was dated 1981.
What changes might have been made between 1971 and 1981?

The transitors sets puzzled me. I assume this to mean wireless. 1971 - did they have wireless phones on the 727? I would assume that in 10 yrs the system would have been updated.

Wonder if anyone has the 1971 manual regarding the original system without updates.
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Jo,

There were no significant changes. Intercom systems on 727 were wired not wireless from date of aircraft mfr to at least 1981 and likely forever.

Transistor doesn't necessarily mean wireless. The wired intercoms in brand new 727s used transistor amplifiers. The alternative to transistors were vacuum tubes. The only vacuum tube gear carried on 727s were HF radios such as the Collins 618T which was a hybrid set using mostly transistors but having vacuum tubes where high power amplification was needed. Even today there are a few 618Ts in second tier cargo plane service. They built em tough in Cedar Rapids Iowa.

http://web.tiscalinet.it/milradio73/radio_618T.html

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