DB Cooper

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RobertMBlevins

Georger says in part:

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'Now you have lost it! You think you are Bob Knoss!

Not really. I don't run porn on my computer or get weird on people. See Skyjack, page 247-248.

Never mind. I will just post the passage for you from the guy (Geoff Gray) you like to quote on a personal basis but obviously haven't checked his book:

***'I follow Knoss through the front door, and he shuffles up the stairs. The house is a wreck. Boxes are everywhere, closets are stuffed with old toys, more boxes, framing equipment, cases of V-8. The dining room is buried under papers, antiques, tchotchkes.

I use the bathroom. The cabinet over the sink is open, and the shelves are lined with empty pill bottles. I try the spigot to wash my hands. It doesn't work.

What happened to Bob Knoss?

I walk into the living room. It is a graveyard of old clocks and bronze statuettes, a small army of figurine soldiers that stand guard on the shag carpet. The soldiers are designed to protect the clocks, he says.

"That one's Don Juan. That's Don Cesar."

He is sitting at his computer, trying to find the documents on his hard drive. He spins around in his chair to explain the business of repairing old clocks. As he talks, the screen saver on the computer screen flashes on.

I see breasts. Huge breasts. Colassal jugs. The screen changes. Now it's a thong buried in the crevice of an oiled-up butt. Now it's a vagina. Now another vagina.

I look around Knoss's computer station. I see a copy of Domination Nation , a porn movie that features women taking over the world. Richarch McCoy played a role in Domination Nation under a different name, Knoss claims...'

I guarantee that if you stopped by our place, the only thing you'll get is coffee and some cool space pictures for screen savers.
I wouldnt have the faintest idea why your are jealous
of Knoss! Feel the need to quote Geoff Gray.

Maybe there is something wrong in your network of relationships.

I'm so glad you saw fit to share this with us on Dropzone!

Good luck in therapy.

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Robert99

Blevins, So your very own "official position" is that the so-called FBI maps show the "official flight path" and that they are correct? Have you been able to come up with an explanation as to why Himmelsbach reportedly never saw those maps until recently? And why no one at the Seattle FBI office apparently knows where they came from?

You are correct that I shouldn't be discussing this with you. That's a waste of time isn't it?

Finally, are you suggesting that I am a neutral source and you are not?

Robert99

Robert99 I believe I can provide you with the answer to that one. You are right - the maps used by the thread came from none other than Sluggo & his site.

They are also the maps Sluggo provide me with. As far as I know those maps are NOT official maps. In 1971 I doubt there was the technology to create such maps. I think what Sluggo probably did was overlay the co-ordinates onto a map he had. I am sure he tried to keep it accurate unless there was a reason to falsify a map. Only Sluggo can tell you the source of the maps the thread is using - but they are the same he provided me.

Perhaps jointly if we approach the FBI they will release the maps ACTUALLY used by the FAA and FBI in 1971 and other dates closer to the 1971 incident.

99 - you are a pilot. WHY don't you get an old map from 1971 and put the co-ordinates originally revealed in the records/minutes of the flight and from the FBI onto the map. Or you might be able to obtain from the FBI a copy of the ACTUAL mapping used by the FBI and FAA. One would have thought not everyone would just take the map provided to the thread was THE map the FBI used!

Since you have already done this on technical maps - could you do it on a map like Sluggo used. Show the difference between his mapping and the actual mapping used by the FBI or is it so close it would not matter.

I think the point is that you may have shown Mr. H the Gold map - yea, you can be sure he had never seen that map - because Sluggo created it.

You at one time posted part of a map - but it was so technical I could not make heads or tails out of it! Remember NOT everyone who reads this thread is a pilot or jumper. So please use a map that will show the area like Sluggo did and place YOUR co-ordinates on it and lets see how much difference it makes. Make it so we can see the entire area like Sluggos did. I for one am curious.

Since you are the 1st to state this as Florence Shaffner has been known to express "Maybe U are on to something". LIKE maybe we have been working with a map that is in error or is it so close it would make not one Iota of difference.

U have me puzzled.

I know that you spoke to Mr. H and hope is doing OK. Understand he has LOTS of pain and getting multiple shots for his spine. I don't think he will be with us much longer - so any information you as a pilot can extract from him - that is for the better. At least you are some one on his level and that is a good thing! Some one needs to know what is in his head and record it, because anything JT relates is inaccurate and tainted.

Go get the FACTS - please and spend quality time with Mr. H. Ask him about some old files he supposedly has (per JT) that were offered to him from the FBI office in OR. I do NOT recall Mr. H stating this - but JT claims it is true.

I always felt the investigation of the night clerk at the Red Lion in Portland was telling the truth, but the FBI claimed they had no paper work on it.
WE do know for a fact the motels and hotel in Portland were questioned very quickly - The night clerk said they were FBI, but I was told by Mr. H that they utilized assistance from other branches to conduct some of the initial interviews.

The night clerk swears it was the FBI who interviewed him the next day at work. He was the one on duty the night before the crime...his wife of the day backs up his story even though they have been divorced for yrs and he has remarried and lives in China with his new wife and new baby!

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GreyCopGC148

***I think this is what he is trying to do. the second line is where you can see Kenn..E

See attachment......

Thank you.. if you slide the top of the R to the bottom of the v it will make a Y Then slide the E off the top of the N and now you can see KENNEY... now you can say GC 148 you've done it.. BTW Curtis Eng said that on 6-17-2013.... after I discovered the handwriting matches on 6-13-2013.

This is why I was 100% sure when I was on my way to the FBI.
Case solved 6-13-2013

Sigh...I knew what you were trying to do....and I still say it is a stretch. But hey - why are you trying to convince us? Call a news conference and tell them what you found and what eng and Carr said, and how the DNA is a match. And that you solved the case. Tell em u want equal time :)
And, I don't know, maybe if you guys quit changing your story after someone points out the contradictions, you would have more credibility? But that's just a guess on my part.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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skyjack71

Robert99 I believe I can provide you with the answer to that one. You are right - the maps used by the thread came from none other than Sluggo & his site.

They are also the maps Sluggo provide me with. As far as I know those maps are NOT official maps. In 1971 I doubt there was the technology to create such maps. I think what Sluggo probably did was overlay the co-ordinates onto a map he had. I am sure he tried to keep it accurate unless there was a reason to falsify a map. Only Sluggo can tell you the source of the maps the thread is using - but they are the same he provided me.

Perhaps jointly if we approach the FBI they will release the maps ACTUALLY used by the FAA and FBI in 1971 and other dates closer to the 1971 incident.

99 - you are a pilot. WHY don't you get an old map from 1971 and put the co-ordinates originally revealed in the records/minutes of the flight and from the FBI onto the map. Or you might be able to obtain from the FBI a copy of the ACTUAL mapping used by the FBI and FAA. One would have thought not everyone would just take the map provided to the thread was THE map the FBI used!

Since you have already done this on technical maps - could you do it on a map like Sluggo used. Show the difference between his mapping and the actual mapping used by the FBI or is it so close it would not matter.

I think the point is that you may have shown Mr. H the Gold map - yea, you can be sure he had never seen that map - because Sluggo created it.

You at one time posted part of a map - but it was so technical I could not make heads or tails out of it! Remember NOT everyone who reads this thread is a pilot or jumper. So please use a map that will show the area like Sluggo did and place YOUR co-ordinates on it and lets see how much difference it makes. Make it so we can see the entire area like Sluggos did. I for one am curious.

Since you are the 1st to state this as Florence Shaffner has been known to express "Maybe U are on to something". LIKE maybe we have been working with a map that is in error or is it so close it would make not one Iota of difference.

U have me puzzled.

I know that you spoke to Mr. H and hope is doing OK. Understand he has LOTS of pain and getting multiple shots for his spine. I don't think he will be with us much longer - so any information you as a pilot can extract from him - that is for the better. At least you are some one on his level and that is a good thing! Some one needs to know what is in his head and record it, because anything JT relates is inaccurate and tainted.

Go get the FACTS - please and spend quality time with Mr. H. Ask him about some old files he supposedly has (per JT) that were offered to him from the FBI office in OR. I do NOT recall Mr. H stating this - but JT claims it is true.

Jo, You have given me credit above for a lot of things that I didn't do.

There are no coordinates given in the flight transcripts for the portion of the airliner flight between Seattle and Portland, and that is a major part of the problem. I did notice an anomaly between the 1971 maps and the present day maps in the area of the supposed jump zone.

Farflung solved the problem by pointing out that all you had to do was move several towns about two or three miles west to get their locations on the 1971 maps to match their locations on the present day maps. And Farflung posted some beautiful pictures of the maps to illustrate his point.

I have not personally posted a map to this thread and I have not been in contact with Himmelsbach although I have read his book.

Nevertheless, things are being done off line and maybe you will be informed of them in due time.

Robert99

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GreyCopGC148

Well it looks like the RENO letter has nothing to do with Duane Weber at all ,You can see kenne right in it .After 42 years it only took me 15 seconds or less .HA HA HA DB COOPER GC 148 THE GRAY COP GAME .

But, of course "Dan Cooper" didn't send it. Since he would want to be remembered as "Dan Cooper" (if he even wanted that), the persona he chose, not the misnomer made up by the press. "Dan Cooper" didn't send the letters. It doesn't fit the profile. "Dan Cooper" the actual suspect, isn't mentioned in any of this thread. Well, not too often at least.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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matthewcline

*** Well it looks like the RENO letter has nothing to do with Duane Weber at all ,You can see kenne right in it .After 42 years it only took me 15 seconds or less .HA HA HA DB COOPER GC 148 THE GRAY COP GAME .

But, of course "Dan Cooper" didn't send it. Since he would want to be remembered as "Dan Cooper" (if he even wanted that), the persona he chose, not the misnomer made up by the press. "Dan Cooper" didn't send the letters. It doesn't fit the profile. "Dan Cooper" the actual suspect, isn't mentioned in any of this thread. Well, not too often at least.

Matt


I agree. I've also said that in the past. one would think he would sign the letters Dan Cooper. you would also think he would of stated something they could verify being Cooper such as describing a passenger or something that would ring a bell confirming he was on the plane....

"I have a secret, but can't tell you" ?????

I have a car for sale, but I'm not selling it????

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Did it ever ocur to you that Kenny had a retirement program with the airlines and a private one he contributed to?

Lots of us had our own version of what is now IRA's. We contributed to some kind of program for our retirement outside of our SS and employment.

Unfortunately I have a little medication in me right now and cannot remember the names of some of these financial vehicles we used outside of buying and selling commodities at the right time.

The 60's/70's was the beginning of buy low sell high. One woman I know invested in property in Chicago and became a very wealth woman. She probably didn't make much more than Kenny did and her line of employment did NOT provide her with health insurance or retirement programs. She bought low and knew when to hold and when to play her cards. She did take a fall like many of us did over the yrs - but not enough to hurt her as she varied her properties just right between commercial and investment property.
She bought low and then refurbished with her own crews and sold at a premium. SMART girl!

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'There is something you should know, but I can't tell you...'

samething.....why bring it up if your not going to say it? doesn't make any sense.

do you have any proof of the loan to Geestman other than what they tell you?

why would Lyle not have any knowledge of the hijacking. then 30+ years later he see's something on TV? one says they ID'd the tie clip but not the tie. Lyle says he had a black tie which can be seen in a photo (with a tie bar) it's just a bunch of static he said she said etc.

2010 Lynn Rattenbury states she thinks the kitchen was where plumbing was that looked like a kitchen sink was there. this gives more proof the countertop could of been put up there at anytime after it was removed.

you state he put down $7,500. Komo states he paid 14,000 one year later?

You stated weeks ago Kenny was in a different unit than Gray speaks of?

a loan of 5k, but Kenny can't replace the old car parked in front of his house? possibly Geestman added a few zero's?

very interesting tennis match going here....back and forth.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Suggest you read your own posting and digest them - There was ONE statement you made that proves you BORROW material and facts from other suspects and writers!

Go read you post and find what I just caught! It is in regards to Geestman!

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[Robert99 37]

RobertMBlevins

House belonged to the same couple where Geestman served as their Best Man. Five grand to Geestman's sister. "I thought those airline people did pretty well..." he says, which is utter BS since he worked for NWA for years and knew better. And lately...I've been wondering if it was Bernie who made that alleged phone call to the Boeing engineer regarding the airstairs. After all..he DID work for a few years at Boeing on (you guessed it) the 727 program.

Blevins, Your ability to jump to conclusions using cherry picked information is truly amazing. Where is your proof that NWA was a poor paying airline? The 1950s and 1960s were part of the Golden Age of airline flying.

At the same NWA event where Rataczak made the comments discussed earlier today, a number of people (I think including Rataczak) described a long family connection with NWA. I believe that Rataczak's father also worked for NWA, maybe as a mechanic. This doesn't sound like people were being forced to work for NWA.

But where is your evidence that NWA pay scales were any lower than PAA, TWA, and other airlines of that day. And inflation helped any number of people make money in real estate.

Could you be a bit more specific about what Bernie did with respect to the aft stairs on the 727s? Who has said that Bernie knew the 727 stairs could be lowered in flight? Did the CIA advertise that information in the Seattle PI?

Just some facts to support your claims please.

Robert99

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There are no coordinates given in the flight transcripts for the portion of the airliner flight between Seattle and Portland, and that is a major part of the problem

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I remembered something from yrs ago about contacting a man at the PDX at the recommendation of Mr. H. He thought if anyone had the planes co-ordinates it would be that man. I actually still have my notes - but they are buried in about 17 feet of documents & notes.

Your post jogged my memory. The man who did take my phone call was very nice & you are right the information WAS turned over to NWA per my conversation with him. As far as he knew it may have been the only copy available and he was UNAWARE if the FBI had a copy of the actually flight record (he used another word I have forgot and admitted they didn't have all of it even then). I guess it was perhaps a recording of the crews communications and co-ordinates. He was very nice & did NOT talk over my head like so many have over the yrs. Outside of trying to get information I could not possibly have understood - I tried to GET everything I could. He commented he wished he had made a copy - but he was back then doing his job! Others had came before me - but, he was familiar with my story. Others had been writers & media.

You brought this conversation back to my mind after ALL of these yrs. I think I discussed it in the thread, but only after he had left his position and retired. The man who asked me not to reveal the conversation at the time. He WAS under orders not to talk about it. He broke protocol because HE KNEW WHO I WAS & he wanted to help. I remembered that part. I didn't even know what I was asking him for.

This was YRS. ago - I had his old number and name and for some reason something was posted in the thread and I wanted to talk to him again, but he was NO longer at the PDX. He had retired according to the person who took the call.

Sorry if I get somethings wrong - remember I have been on this thread since 2006 and that is a long haul.

I have also been searching and talking to people since 1996, but was not very vocal until the FBI screwed up on the phone with me in March of 2000. The ire of the misinformation by the FBI was WHY I launched such a long long search - NEVER lie to a woman who believes she's right.

You see even though I do not use the search factor - I do remember these mundane facts about what I have done & spoke with someone about. Terrible with names - such as 377 I should know his real last name, but it will NOT stick to my memory. Like the man at the PDX - I remember the conversation, but not the name - maybe because he told me not to mention our conversation.

Call me the obedient wife.

I thought it was you in the thread who had spoke of talking to Mr. H or made is sound like they did. We ALL know Bruce Smith BLEW his interview with Mr H and was NOT asked to come back. It was one of the lessons Bruce had to learn, but when you get pushy with people do not expect to be asked back!

It definitely was NOT Robert Blevins, but I was thinking the poster was a Robert.

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RobertMBlevins

Robert99 says in part:

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'Blevins, Your ability to jump to conclusions using cherry picked information is truly amazing. Where is your proof that NWA was a poor paying airline? The 1950s and 1960s were part of the Golden Age of airline flying...'

LOL do your research. Even Bruce Kitt, the NWA museum guy they interviewed for Decoded said the employees went on strike so much they called them 'Cobra'. (They strike at anything) If there was a Golden Age for airline employees, the folks at NWA got lead with gold paint sprayed on it.
Come on, get real. Nyrop was famous for being cheap and paying the employees shit. Go check for yourself. But leave off about the pilots. Even Nyrop probably had to pay them something close to a living wage, although I wouldn't count on it.

If it was that bad, why did he stay soooooo many years? he pissed and moaned a lot, but didn't seem to do anything about it. before or after the crime. lots of people are not happy with there jobs. it's called life. doesn't mean they will commit a crime.

I'm sure he could of jumped on any other airline if he tried. the ditch thing is really getting old. who takes pictures of someone in such debt they had to dig a ditch. I would guess there is more to the story than what is being told about that stupid ditch. looks to me he was helping a friend.

look at old broke Kenny. I had to take me a couple pictures to make fun of him for years and years....(*laughs*)

it's pretty easy to take an old photo and add a story to it......

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I came back to make a post and forgot what I had to say. Something about Blevins jumping on the Gilliam bandwagon with Geestman! I believe he erased it real fast or perhaps I just IMAGINED it. After ALL I am crazy delusional and off my rocker!

I want so badly to get back to WA, but is is physically impossible now. I have good days, but it would be my luck if I tried to make the trip I would end up in so much pain, I would have to I take my DUMB pills! Sitting is very painful. Too bad they don't have the flight now where one can lie down.


Do NOT want to be remembered like that. This girl is a TOUGH Cookie and not an idiot - Well, she does get lost in Crowds on a bad day! So much to do and so little time to finish it. One ever realizes how short life is until they can predicted their own demeas!
6 month to 2 yrs. At the rate I am going down noW - I bellieve it willl be only a few months. If I didn't have the stress of this house to take care of I think I would make it longer IF I got a lot of help with the move. Hare to take trips to look for a place to live when it is difficult enough to do what I need to do. HAVE to get TO COOLER weathe so I and have some peace and tiem away from the horrid RASHES.

I am a loner because of my condition and not by choice.. Used to be a very active person - should see me dancing to the Music on good days,

There are 2 festiviles goion I really want to go on...One and Orange Beach and the other was Our big Greeks thing. But did drive alone to the loacation realy knocks me down. Ice packs and Pain pills - NOT a good thing to do and not safe for no only me but other. Sure wish some one lived close that like the same things I did. Do not have a problem standing and walking - but sitting to get there is a different thing.

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RobertMBlevins

Investments and such:

Simple version. Year of the hijacking, and just previous in 1970:

Kenny bought a wooded lot on a promissory note in the early 60's. Made small payments on it. Paid it off shortly after the hijacking. In 1971, however...he was not making any money. Just the meager wages from NWA. Digging ditches for Geestman in 1970 for extra cash. Living in crap apartment in Sumner.

Within eight months AFTER the hijacking: Paid off old note, loaned Geestman's sister 5K, bought house and adjoining lot, and another behind the present-day Bonney Lake Safeway. All for cash. Never really had any financial issues the remainder of his life.

Not sure where Gray said Kenny lived at the time of the hijacking, but his address at that time was verified completely by Skipp Porteous and the apartment manager I interviewed: Rainier View Apartments in Sumner, WA, #J-3.

Even simpler version. You haven't proven any of the above with documentation. And not only that - Some of us have provided documentation that proves the above is not entirely true. Yet you keep trying to push the myth. Sorry, but saying something a million times does not make it true. Just keeping it real.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Robert, what gives you the impression that the Rainview Apartments were "crap" in 70/71? seems they were built in the late 60's, so they were not that old during that time period. maybe it was cheap enough for him to stock pile money for future investments?

If you read the reviews today, it's a dump. actually it's mixed reviews. seems a lot of you folks sugar coat things to make them seem worse than they really appear. the "ditch" the tough times, a piece of wood in the attic. you take a set of circumstances and turn them into facts, or make them appear to be facts in order to beef up the claim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxauqa7rJgI

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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mrshutter45

Robert, what gives you the impression that the Rainview Apartments were "crap" in 70/71? seems they were built in the late 60's, so they were not that old during that time period. maybe it was cheap enough for him to stock pile money for future investments?

If you read the reviews today, it's a dump. actually it's mixed reviews. seems a lot of you folks sugar coat things to make them seem worse than they really appear. the "ditch" the tough times, a piece of wood in the attic. you take a set of circumstances and turn them into facts, or make them appear to be facts in order to beef up the claim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxauqa7rJgI

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Don't you find him entertaining? He's a nice guy!

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RobertMBlevins

***Robert, what gives you the impression that the Rainview Apartments were "crap" in 70/71? seems they were built in the late 60's, so they were not that old during that time period. maybe it was cheap enough for him to stock pile money for future investments?

If you read the reviews today, it's a dump. actually it's mixed reviews. seems a lot of you folks sugar coat things to make them seem worse than they really appear. the "ditch" the tough times, a piece of wood in the attic. you take a set of circumstances and turn them into facts, or make them appear to be facts in order to beef up the claim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxauqa7rJgI

I'm going to do a sort of 'combination reply' here to both yours and Robert99's posts. Yours first. I grew up in Sumner, WA. It's basically my home town and I went to school there. So I'm pretty familiar with the area. Kenny's rent back in 1971 would have run about a hundred dollars to a hundred and twenty a month. As far as his financial situation in the years prior to the hijacking, there are the letters home, the low-end jobs, the testimony from the people who knew him best.

There is no smoking gun on Kenny as the hijacker. I have said that. Some of the case on Kenny is based not on documents or pictures, but on the testimony of witnesses whom I feel are telling the truth. And some of the suspicions on Kenny are based on the lies of another witness. It's hard to explain these things to people who weren't there for the interviews. This is also why I finally condensed everything down into the Christiansen Report and made it public. There is a slightly more comprehensive version of that report, which I would be willing to make available to the right (see: responsible) people.

You see, there is one big difference between the claims made on Christiansen and say...LD Cooper. I have made it possible to check them out. There are sources, there are names, there is contact information. So...if someone either in LEO or the legit media REALLY wanted to discover the truth on Christiansen, they might be able to do it by using the unedited version of the report. I held back nothing, and I even say that the report is more accurate than the book. That is the difference, and it's a big one.

Personally, I'm tired of chasing the Christiansen thing out in the real world. I ran myself ragged and spent thousands of dollars doing that. So other than the occasional email or phone call, I'm no longer hitting the bricks on him. The report itself is being downloaded dozens of times of week from both the Newsvine article and the AB website. I figure sooner or later...someone is going to get curious about it. Someone with the ability and backing to travel around, check it out, someone with more resources than I am willing to dedicate to it.

In other words...someone (or an organization) is going to figure out the truth on KC using that report sooner or later. Remember...I don't tell people KC is the hijacker. I simply say there is enough evidence to check him out. So far, the Seattle FBI does not agree. They dismissed him back in 2007 after the Gray article came out in New York Magazine. But they did so even before I got involved, or found any of the witnesses or other things pointing to Christiansen as a suspect. They can be confusing sometimes. They dismiss him in 2007, but in 2010-11, I get emails and phone calls from the Seattle media officer saying, 'Some think he's a good suspect, others think there are better suspects...' which means little.

To Robert99:

Documentation? I'm not giving up EVERYTHING, you know. I think I've provided enough. You asked for proof Kenny served as a paratrooper. I gave you his DD214 info. Others hinted around ('from a source I trust,' he said) that Kenny died of Kaposi's Sarcoma and was possibly HIV-positive. I gave you his death certificate and the name of his doctor. Someone else asked me how I knew that the selection of Kenny's house was no accident, and I presented a document showing he bought it from good friends of Geestman, a guy who has consistently lied about practically EVERYTHING that could possibly link him to the hijacking. This includes lying about his employment, his whereabouts during the crime, attempted witness tampering, and a number of other things.

Over the last few months, I have moved on from actively investigating Christiansen. The report is out there. Let someone else run it to ground and see if it's accurate. My main interest these days is in the story surrounding Cooper in general. The people, the investigations, the celebrations, the Nuts. That's why I decided to do a book on how I came to be involved (mixed feelings on that) and all of the things that came afterward. Cooperland, I call it. This is catharsis to me and I am moving forward on that. I look at Kenny and think: "I did what I could. Let someone else take it from here if they want. And if they DON'T want, that is okay, too..."

Would you like to ride in my beautiful balloon?
Would you like to glide in my beautiful balloon?
We could float among the stars together you and I

For we can fly, yeah, we can fly
Up, up and away in my beautiful
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It wears a nicer face in my beautiful balloon
We can sing a song and sail along the silver sky

For we can fly, wee, we can fly
Up, up and away in my beautiful
My beautiful balloon

Suspended under the twilight canopy
We'll search the clouds for a star to guide us
If by some chance you find yourself loving me
We'll find a cloud to hide us
People lean beside us

Love is waiting there in my beautiful balloon
Away up in the air in my beautiful balloon
If you hold my hand we'll chase a dream
Across the sky

For we can fly, we can fly
(Come on let's fly)
Up, up and away in my beautiful
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das vidanya The True Story of DB Cooper!

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you still lack any proof on many things. what you showed on Kenny's DD214 was that he took training for a paratrooper. nobody seems to be able to link him to a unit. truth is that's all you need, but you have two different versions of what unit he was in.

The apartment is really not proving anything. can you state whether it was low income housing? you make it sound as if it was. (crap)

according to what Lynn Rattenbury said about the house, she says the countertop was not in place when they bought the property. she guessed where the kitchen was by the plumbing in the wall. that house has changed dramatically since 1971.

The purchase of the house in cash has come under fire due to lack of documentation. what is the hold up there? Gray responds to me within hours.

you have to show proof of things, I'm sure you realize this, because you demand the same when challenging anything. nobody has said you made this up. proof tells the story. proof is not just what Gray says either. proof is proper legal documentation backing up a story someone is speaking of, or something in writing helping the cause.

you don't trust anything Lyle says (the one who started this) you say, or others say Bernie was a Liar and a crook. how can you stand behind this mess?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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RobertMBlevins

To Robert99:

Documentation? I'm not giving up EVERYTHING, you know. I think I've provided enough. You asked for proof Kenny served as a paratrooper. I gave you his DD214 info. Others hinted around ('from a source I trust,' he said) that Kenny died of Kaposi's Sarcoma and was possibly HIV-positive. I gave you his death certificate and the name of his doctor. Someone else asked me how I knew that the selection of Kenny's house was no accident, and I presented a document showing he bought it from good friends of Geestman, a guy who has consistently lied about practically EVERYTHING that could possibly link him to the hijacking. This includes lying about his employment, his whereabouts during the crime, attempted witness tampering, and a number of other things.

Blevins, My translation from the above Blevins-speak is that you want someone else to do your research.

In the meantime, you are working on a book to blow the lid right off the Cooper thread by exposing the phonies here who do not buy your theories much less your books (including the forthcoming one).

Here's a question for you. If Geestman "has consistently lied about practically EVERYTHING" then, using your logic, when Geestman stated that KC could have been Cooper he was actually saying that KC was NOT Cooper.

But you will probably give Geestman the benefit of a doubt on that quote since you need it to support your theories about KC.

And you state that you are holding back information from others, presumably including the FBI. So it is safe to assume that anything you are holding back is not relevant to KC or the Cooper investigation. Otherwise, you would have already used that information to support your theories about KC.

Robert99

[georger 194]

Robert99

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To Robert99:

Documentation? I'm not giving up EVERYTHING, you know. I think I've provided enough. You asked for proof Kenny served as a paratrooper. I gave you his DD214 info. Others hinted around ('from a source I trust,' he said) that Kenny died of Kaposi's Sarcoma and was possibly HIV-positive. I gave you his death certificate and the name of his doctor. Someone else asked me how I knew that the selection of Kenny's house was no accident, and I presented a document showing he bought it from good friends of Geestman, a guy who has consistently lied about practically EVERYTHING that could possibly link him to the hijacking. This includes lying about his employment, his whereabouts during the crime, attempted witness tampering, and a number of other things.

Blevins, My translation from the above Blevins-speak is that you want someone else to do your research.

In the meantime, you are working on a book to blow the lid right off the Cooper thread by exposing the phonies here who do not buy your theories much less your books (including the forthcoming one).

Here's a question for you. If Geestman "has consistently lied about practically EVERYTHING" then, using your logic, when Geestman stated that KC could have been Cooper he was actually saying that KC was NOT Cooper.

But you will probably give Geestman the benefit of a doubt on that quote since you need it to support your theories about KC.

And you state that you are holding back information from others, presumably including the FBI. So it is safe to assume that anything you are holding back is not relevant to KC or the Cooper investigation. Otherwise, you would have already used that information to support your theories about KC.

Robert99

IF (large 'if') the FBI or someone else were to solve the Cooper
case tomorrow, would the 'Cooper suspect pushers" stop?
Probaby not. Why? Addiction. They would continue to argue
and be mean and push their 'versions' of the story...

Its a personal addiction. The Cooper case is a convenient locus
for their personal addictions, which make no mistake. are deep
seated addictions.

None of it has anything to do with the DB Cooper case. The
internet and threads like this have become the convenient
opportunity for expression.

[georger 194]

RobertMBlevins

******

To Robert99:

Documentation? I'm not giving up EVERYTHING, you know. I think I've provided enough. You asked for proof Kenny served as a paratrooper. I gave you his DD214 info. Others hinted around ('from a source I trust,' he said) that Kenny died of Kaposi's Sarcoma and was possibly HIV-positive. I gave you his death certificate and the name of his doctor. Someone else asked me how I knew that the selection of Kenny's house was no accident, and I presented a document showing he bought it from good friends of Geestman, a guy who has consistently lied about practically EVERYTHING that could possibly link him to the hijacking. This includes lying about his employment, his whereabouts during the crime, attempted witness tampering, and a number of other things.

Blevins, My translation from the above Blevins-speak is that you want someone else to do your research.

In the meantime, you are working on a book to blow the lid right off the Cooper thread by exposing the phonies here who do not buy your theories much less your books (including the forthcoming one).

Here's a question for you. If Geestman "has consistently lied about practically EVERYTHING" then, using your logic, when Geestman stated that KC could have been Cooper he was actually saying that KC was NOT Cooper.

But you will probably give Geestman the benefit of a doubt on that quote since you need it to support your theories about KC.

And you state that you are holding back information from others, presumably including the FBI. So it is safe to assume that anything you are holding back is not relevant to KC or the Cooper investigation. Otherwise, you would have already used that information to support your theories about KC.

Robert99

First, although I make some mention in Cooperland about Cooper Nuts and their activities, I don't get too specific about it, link articles, or name names. It's true I thought about doing just that. But then I figured that would be self-serving and wouldn't contribute to the book. So I dropped that idea.

Mostly the book is a personal journey, more of an autobiography than anything else. I talk about growing up in the Land of DB Cooper (Puget Sound) and a number of other things. It doesn't present any new evidence against Christiansen, either. In fact, it has very little to do with the actual hijacking.

No...the FBI received the unedited, non-public version of the Christiansen Report. As far as I know, they haven't done anything with it.

The point of Geestman saying on television that he agrees with the cast that KC could be the hijacker has NOTHING to do with whether he's telling the truth or not. It's actually an opinion statement anyway, not testimony of fact. The point is this: WHY would he endorse KC as the hijacker when he was WITH KC the entire week of the hijacking. The point...which I have made several times now...is that he should have offered KC an ALIBI instead.

Funny and weird! Nobody I know is interested in ANYTHING
you have to say, about ANYTHING!

Just one more half finished blip in the cosmos full of same,
useless to mainstream existence, and soon to be forgotten ...
and actually avoided by mainstream people during your lifetime.

Congrats on your achievment in utter uselessness. A few will
laugh and walk away shaking their heads!

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skyjack71

I came back to make a post and forgot what I had to say. Something about Blevins jumping on the Gilliam bandwagon with Geestman! I believe he erased it real fast or perhaps I just IMAGINED it. After ALL I am crazy delusional and off my rocker!

I have learned to read the posting backwards tonight! Usually I go looking for my last post knowning I am signing off. The balance of the particial posts above got lost in my state of mind - one created by the medication. Sorry about that.

In a prior post by Blevins he stated something that really really ired me.

I stated in a post shortly after that for you guys to note his remark without quoting the remark. Well, when I went back Blevins had removed his remark.
Next time he screws up I won't give him a chance to change it.

WARNING BLEVINS - do NOT mention me or WEBER in YOUR Cooper redundant book you are writing.

After I had spoke about Gilliam and Duane's past in CA and friends Duane's family move to CA to be with, Blevins had the unmitigated gall to make as suggestion that Geestman was the one who called Gilliam....he is now trying to incorporate my 18 yr search into his crap!

THIS is how unethically he is! It IRED me to NO end. The research on Gilliam is relatively easy to find - but the history of his wife's family is not that readily available. My work has been involved in the fact that her maiden name was Barth and the stories told about her match the stories told to me by Duane's brother and his sister and things Duane said.

Nothing made up - but things I had NO idea might be related until I found out who Gilliam was. Even then I did not get it! It took my being curious why the things and places in Gilliam's life matching things I knew about Duane's past and his families past.

Won't go into the details. Anyone with an ounce of curiosity could find these things themselves - all they have to do is go back to things I discussed and having NO idea what they meant in the early yrs - 1998 to the a point some time within the last 2 yrs.

This was NOT me trying to make what I knew fit what someone else was saying! It is just something that happened.

It was still a long shot - but I could NOT make it go away. That is when I started to search into the past of Gilliam's wife & the things I found blew my mind, but still - the story I was basing this curiosity on was a story the Grand-daughter wrote about her Grand-father & claiming to have taped it. She is a writer and even though her genre is NOT something I care to read - I ignored that - she is actually pretty good at what she does and has a lot of promise as a writer if directed in another direction. (HOPE SHE REALLY TAPED IT).

The entire point of the useless bit of trivia is to EXPOSE BLEVINS for what I had a gut feeling for all along and I have been very vocal (in the thread about this) - exploitation and NOTHING but EXPLOITATION.

He only posts to generate his book & NOT REAL research. He DOES not care how many REAL lives he destroys in the process. He took SENIORS & exploited them! THAT is my opinion and the things STATED in this thread actually verify this.

Blevins being here has ACTUALLY stopped any real progress the thread made into Cooper as 85% of the posts for the last 3 yrs are trying to make him see himself for what he really is.

Me - I am a pain in the ASS for you guys, but in a completely different way. What I tell is about someone I ACTUALLY knew & was married to for 17 yrs - not a stranger, who told me a few days be for he died "I'm Dan Cooopppper".

Ironically I really didn't know MUCH about the man I was married to for 17 yrs! So I found out thru the research of others and thru the research of members of this thread. Much of it was duplication of things I had & when you guys hit on somethings - I went back to my OLD files and provide details.

Some of you actually dug up things I did not have. Some things found were contrary to what I had - some only enforced what I had & there are STILL blank spots. Now those are being filled in! Some spots we may never know the answer to - unless it has already happened. 42 yrs is a long time for people to remember the details of the crime. Those who saw pictures & composites in 1971 did NOT connect them to relationships 25 yrs earlier to someone they might have known in the past.

Now old arrest records never revealed by the FBI and old files the FBI nor anyone else had reason to seek out are now of the utmost importance. Property records will connect or have already connected Gilliam and Barth and Weber (not Duane)...to the knowledge Cooper needed to do the deed.

The family history of the Telephone Operation in Vancouver - is also of utmost importance and MORE important is the history of her Father and her Mother - the people her family knew and the places they worked and the inlistment records of both Barth and PA Weber - when, how long, where, and who they knew. There was a 3rd man who was a friend of Barth & Weber, but I haven't found thos old notes and do not remember his name. I am sure John wrote me about it as talking on the phone with him was very very difficult - he was basically deaf when I first contacted him & it only got WORSE.

A lot of the history depends on if the old floppies being converted into a read-able format. The person in control of the items has been reluctant to do so - has no idea what is on them. It is important the files be looked at & the FBI is probably NOT even aware they exist. I believe most of what is on them is the family heritage and the stories handed down for yrs and also enlistment documents, deeds, death certificates, birth certificates - etc. Nothing other than perhaps a connection to Gilliam & the Barths is of any importance to the Cooper case.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[DBCOOPER 1]

Congrats on 1900 pages of jibberish...

Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon

If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea.

[skyjack71 0]

DBCOOPER

Congrats on 1900 pages of jibberish...

AND U would be from STOWE! Ok, tell us why you even read it if it is ALL jibberish. Remember that STOWE is part of the WEBER heritage - who might you REALLY be & why do you call yourself DBCOOPER? If it is all Jibberish - WHY do you bother to read it?

If you actually live in the STOWE area of OHIO - you could be of some assistance regarding old records. Then you can call the thread Jibberish!
Think Barth and Weber records and service enlistment records! Weber and Barth plus another person who enlisted on the same day...

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Robert99

Nevertheless, things are being done off line and maybe you will be informed of them in due time.

Robert99

In Due Time! They better HURRY!

NO one is going to reveal the truth until I after I have died - they might not have to wait much longer!

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