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QuoteQuoteGeorger anything science or Cooper Scoopers come up with is too late. This case is and will be officially closed very soon.
When is the opening of the Cooper display at that museum?
And where is that museum located - LONGVIEW?
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013 by Jo Weber ? Hilarious!!
You are the only ONE who caught that!
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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Robert99, McShutter, Farflung, Hangdiver, SafecrackingPlF, and Meyer Louie and many others have all been informative and reasonable. Sadly, Meyer lost his cool one night and got kicked-out in 2012. Same, too, for Galen Cook back in 2009.
I would by lying if I didn't say your review is
enjoyable. One tries. But you left out Orange-1 who
definitely earned a spot in your review. She kept us all
sane for many years and made many valuable-
perceptive posts, and still may!
You left out Sluggo! His contributions and vast know-
ledge continue to be irreplaceable and we are less for
his taking a rest. Sluggo came back in December to
inform us he is :still alive:! I personally wish he was
still here. Sluggo was always a backbone of reason.
I personally could say the same for Farflung.
And, you left out yourself. You have made vital
contributions here, which have literally held this forum
together at times. We all know your interest in this
case is sincere and deep, if problematic at times.
Keep up the good work, Bruce.
It is more than any other DB Cooper forum has ever
achieved, and that's just a fact.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteGeorger anything science or Cooper Scoopers come up with is too late. This case is and will be officially closed very soon.
When is the opening of the Cooper display at that museum?
And where is that museum located - LONGVIEW?
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013 by Jo Weber ? Hilarious!!
You are the only ONE who caught that!
Lady - I have your number. ... sometimes. It never
matters however.
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I want whatever Georger is infusing this evening. He is in a wonderful mood. Savor it G!
Bruce: Orange1 definitely needs recognition. She added a lot to the collective intelligence here. I sure wish she would return.
E Vicki is a class act and a smart cookie. She certainly deserves a spot.
Jo, I would eat two crows if Paul Quade thought this forum was worthy of his creative attention as a screenwriter. I think he viewed this assignment as a task not an inspiration. But I might be wrong. I often miss subtle nuanced things.
And don't forget Dorkzone. It is still on YouTube. Publish a link in your book. Safe's chaptered video on the Tena Bar money path is another must see forum inspired video.
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Bruce: Orange1 definitely needs recognition. She added a lot to the collective intelligence here. I sure wish she would return.
E Vicki is a class act and a smart cookie. She certainly deserves a spot.
Jo, I would eat two crows if Paul Quade thought this forum was worthy of his creative attention as a screenwriter. I think he viewed this assignment as a task not an inspiration. But I might be wrong. I often miss subtle nuanced things.
And don't forget Dorkzone. It is still on YouTube. Publish a link in your book. Safe's chaptered video on the Tena Bar money path is another must see forum inspired video.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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Robert99, McShutter, Farflung, Hangdiver, SafecrackingPlF, and Meyer Louie and many others have all been informative and reasonable. Sadly, Meyer lost his cool one night and got kicked-out in 2012. Same, too, for Galen Cook back in 2009.
I would by lying if I didn't say your review is
enjoyable. One tries. But you left out Orange-1 who
definitely earned a spot in your review. She kept us all
sane for many years and made many valuable-
perceptive posts, and still may!
You left out Sluggo! His contributions and vast know-
ledge continue to be irreplaceable and we are less for
his taking a rest. Sluggo came back in December to
inform us he is :still alive:! I personally wish he was
still here. Sluggo was always a backbone of reason.
I personally could say the same for Farflung.
And, you left out yourself. You have made vital
contributions here, which have literally held this forum
together at times. We all know your interest in this
case is sincere and deep, if problematic at times.
Keep up the good work, Bruce.
It is more than any other DB Cooper forum has ever
achieved, and that's just a fact.
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I was tempted to mention Orange1 specifically, but everytime I thought of her I remembered her comments about my encounters with Tina. The image-slash-fantasy that then arose for me is Orange pushing me out of an airplane sans NB 8 (or anything ressembling one) shouting: THAT's FOR TINA! I also have a second flight of fancy, of Orange burning me at a stake, ala the Salem witch trials. Whew...
As for Sluggo, he gets special mention with his web site "n67us." Yup, Sluggo is a biggie.
EVicki also has a special place in my, um, heart...
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I was tempted to mention Orange1 specifically, but everytime I thought of her I remembered her comments about my encounters with Tina. The image-slash-fantasy that then arose for me is Orange pushing me out of an airplane sans NB 8 (or anything ressembling one) shouting: THAT's FOR TINA! I also have a second flight of fancy, of Orange burning me at a stake, ala the Salem witch trials. Whew...
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well, Orange did represent how many people felt.
Orange did represent a valid point of view. I think you
should include her. I agree with 377.
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Bruce wrote***I was tempted to mention Orange1 specifically, but everytime I thought of her I remembered her comments about my encounters with Tina. The image-slash-fantasy that then arose for me is Orange pushing me out of an airplane sans NB 8 (or anything ressembling one) shouting: THAT's FOR TINA! I also have a second flight of fancy, of Orange burning me at a stake, ala the Salem witch trials. Whew...
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Hah. You'd actually have several jumpmasters for your chuteless jump. Jo would certainly be there with Orange.
Orange and Snow dug really deep on SE Asia topics including the intriguing MACV SOG night jumps into the NVN jungle. http://www.macvsog.cc/
They also explored the CIA's recruitment of smoke jumpers for covert ops in SE Asia.
Sheridan's smoke jumper background and his work as an "advisor" in Nam are noteworthy as is his work in technical documentation at Boeing, night jump experience, business suit jump, and huge grudge against the US Govt. I think Sheridan is a superbly qualified candidate, but I can't square Norjack with his character. He seems to be a principled person who abhors violence and he has no criminal record. He looks a lot like the FBI sketches and according to Sailshaw has an olive complexion. If his Nepal alibi was really solid the FBI wouldn't have insisted on a DNA test. They ruled him out on DNA.
Sailshaws recommends that the FBI see if Sheridans DNA matches any on the letters or stamps and envelopes used for the highly publicized post skyjack letters sent to newspapers allegedly authored by DBC. It's an easy thing to do IF they have good samples.
Bruce, any chance you could ask Norman whether he machined pure titanium in his shop prior to the skyjack date? Maybe you could show him Toms tie findings and ask if any of those metals might have been on the rigs he supplied to the FBI.
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PS, my HUD goggles ROCK. Tiny tiny color LCD screen, GPS receiver, barometric digital altimeter, three axis accelerometer, lithium ion battery. Real time graphical data readouts including lift over drag ratio. All this for under $300 (i was a beta customer). Sadly no radio. I was hoping for at least Bluetooth. We live in an age of electronic miracles. I was an EE freshman when I turned 18 and made my first jump. I fantasized about all sorts of electronic skydiving gadgets but none as cool as this.2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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Hah. You'd actually have several jumpmasters for your chuteless jump. Jo would certainly be there with Orange.
Orange and Snow dug really deep on SE Asia topics including the intriguing MACV SOG night jumps into the NVN jungle. http://www.macvsog.cc/
They also explored the CIA's recruitment of smoke jumpers for covert ops in SE Asia.
Sheridan's smoke jumper background and his work as an "advisor" in Nam are noteworthy as is his work in technical documentation at Boeing, night jump experience, business suit jump, and huge grudge against the US Govt. I think Sheridan is a superbly qualified candidate, but I can't square Norjack with his character. He seems to be a principled person who abhors violence and he has no criminal record. He looks a lot like the FBI sketches and according to Sailshaw has an olive complexion. If his Nepal alibi was really solid the FBI wouldn't have insisted on a DNA test. They ruled him out on DNA.
Sailshaws recommends that the FBI see if Sheridans DNA matches any on the letters or stamps and envelopes used for the highly publicized post skyjack letters sent to newspapers allegedly authored by DBC. It's an easy thing to do IF they have good samples.
Bruce, any chance you could ask Norman whether he machined pure titanium in his shop prior to the skyjack date? Maybe you could show him Toms tie findings and ask if any of those metals might have been on the rigs he supplied to the FBI.
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Orange and Snow dug really deep on SE Asia topics including the intriguing MACV SOG night jumps into the NVN jungle. http://www.macvsog.cc/
They also explored the CIA's recruitment of smoke jumpers for covert ops in SE Asia.
Sheridan's smoke jumper background and his work as an "advisor" in Nam are noteworthy as is his work in technical documentation at Boeing, night jump experience, business suit jump, and huge grudge against the US Govt. I think Sheridan is a superbly qualified candidate, but I can't square Norjack with his character. He seems to be a principled person who abhors violence and he has no criminal record. He looks a lot like the FBI sketches and according to Sailshaw has an olive complexion. If his Nepal alibi was really solid the FBI wouldn't have insisted on a DNA test. They ruled him out on DNA.
Sailshaws recommends that the FBI see if Sheridans DNA matches any on the letters or stamps and envelopes used for the highly publicized post skyjack letters sent to newspapers allegedly authored by DBC. It's an easy thing to do IF they have good samples.
Bruce, any chance you could ask Norman whether he machined pure titanium in his shop prior to the skyjack date? Maybe you could show him Toms tie findings and ask if any of those metals might have been on the rigs he supplied to the FBI.
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Sheridan definitely had the skills. He also liked to
challenge authorities, if the info I read is correct. But,
couldn't Sheridan have composed the 'Cooper letters'
without having been DB Cooper? I don't see that the
one requires the other, as some claim.
Would Sheridan have behaved on the plane as
Cooper did?
Can Sheridan be linked to McCoy or Gossett in any
way? Where and why did Cooper conceive the idea of
parachuting from an airplane, as a means of escape?
Did Cooper reveal a political element to his crime
during his time aboard 305 - that is a question which
has not been answered to my satisfaction. (I see
nothing in the record so far that points to Cooper
specifically expressing a political element, as Sheridan
has?)
Farflung has been asking a fundamental question:
how should Cooper's crime be judged as any different
or unique from any of the other hijackers during the
same period. Farflung's is an important question for
several reasons; #1, Farflung is trying to establish a
baseline for comparing Cooper to other parachuting
hijackers, and #2, Farflung is saying that no special
skills were required or even 'evidenced' in Cooper's
crime, until something specific is identified that
separates Cooper from the general population, or
puts Cooper squarely in a special population of
McCoy's, Sheridans, etc. Farflung is saying no such
proof has been given, to his satisfaction, if I read him
correctly. Farflung is saying 'Cooper must pass this
test'.
Likewise, George Nuttall asked: "What set of facts
gave Cooper the idea he could bail from a 727?'
Nuttall went so far as to suggest that JT or perhaps
some of the named candidates with parachuting skills,
may have unknowingly given Cooper the idea to use
parachuting in an extortion attempt.
Farflung's Test is a valid test, imo. Especially if you
are going to compare Cooper with someone like
Sheridan. You must show that Cooper displayed skills
and knowledge on a par with Sheridan. It's pretty clear
Bill Rataczak does not think that was the case; which
takes us back to Farf's basic contention - that Cooper
could have been anybody from the general population.
That is the baseline and test that must be used.
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QuotePS, my HUD goggles ROCK. Tiny tiny color LCD screen, GPS receiver, barometric digital altimeter, three axis accelerometer, lithium ion battery. Real time graphical data readouts including lift over drag ratio. All this for under $300 (i was a beta customer). Sadly no radio. I was hoping for at least Bluetooth. We live in an age of electronic miracles. I was an EE freshman when I turned 18 and made my first jump. I fantasized about all sorts of electronic skydiving gadgets but none as cool as this.
Many USAF pilots learned the hard way that all the electronic gadgets demand far too much attention in the cockpit while "interesting" things were happening out there on the other side of their canopy around them in the far too real world.
I see some newbie skydivers going out and buying all the gadgets and then getting electronic brain lock leading to going in with those things. Too many distractions in freefall can and have in the past led to high speed craters on our planet. Just reference all the new people sticking a damn Go-Pro to their helmets to get "COOL YOUTUBE VIDEO". How many dead friends do you have who were in this sport and trying to get cool video.
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QuoteFarflung's Test is a valid test, imo. Especially if you
are going to compare Cooper with someone like
Sheridan. You must show that Cooper displayed skills
and knowledge on a par with Sheridan. It's pretty clear
Bill Rataczak does not think that was the case; which
takes us back to Farf's basic contention - that Cooper
could have been anybody from the general population.
That is the baseline and test that must be used.
Cooper could indeed have been anybody from the general population with some unique exceptions:
1. Where did Cooper get his information about the 727 flap, landing gear, and speed conditions he specified to the flight crew? It is "unlikely" that this information came from 727 commercial airline documents.
2. Cooper apparently did have experience in routinely putting on and wearing emergency parachutes. And that means he had aircraft experience in one capacity or another.
3. Cooper knew that the 727 could take off with the rear stairs unlocked, but he apparently had not seen that specific rear stair control panel before. This knowledge could not have come from 727 commercial airline operations or handbooks. And that means . . . . ..
If Cooper's body is ever located, check for dog tags.
Robert99
Some visitors to the DZ easily dismiss Jo as a crank, but she is clearly a solid researcher. She was the first to discover where Tina Mucklow resides, and she continues to have some kind of relationship with Jane Mucklow Dormuth, as evidence by her lengthy phone calls to her.
Reds and Blues inserted by Jo Weber:
One can be agressive without being intrusive - an art you are finally learning
Jo also has an appreciation of the depth and breath of issues that might be affecting the Cooper investigation, such as the role that MKULTRA may have played, or covert military operations in Southeast Asia. When I first began corresponding with Jo she talked extensively to me about JM WAVE, the largest covert operations base on US soil run by the CIA. Prior, I had never heard of JM WAVE, and still have only a foggy idea of what goes on there.
One of those who has long-suffered the rants of Jo is Georger. Georger is a smart guy who often gets cranky himself. In fact, Georger is a professor at a mid-western university and has unusual ties to Norjak – both familial and professional. Occasionally, Georger makes reference to his FBI connections, which seem to be substantive if not fully revealed in their exact nature.
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