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"The ARMY number for Duane L. Weber was - 35 608 905.
WHY did the FBI say this number belonged to WAVY Green - is this number that close to anyone with that name by any spelling?"

Yes, Wavie C Green serial# 35698905
Enlisted March 17, 1943

Duane 35608905
Green 35698905

the agent could have easily hit #9 by mistake!!! (9 is next to zero last I checked)



Its too bad none of this applies to the actual DB
Cooper case, but only to people with "claims" toiling
for CONTROL, in the vinyard of the Cooper case!

And if Unicorns and them that ride them were only
real! More Jesus in the Toast - pleez! Cup of cider
too.

Is Mary and that guy named Joseph on tonight?
I got them the free calendar at Orschleins they
wanted. I need to go down and check on #35608905.
Later.

Have a Merry Christmas!

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for like the 10th time, click on Georger when you want to talk to Georger, you keep putting me in between your battle! >:(

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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"The ARMY number for Duane L. Weber was - 35 608 905.
WHY did the FBI say this number belonged to WAVY Green - is this number that close to anyone with that name by any spelling?"

Yes, Wavie C Green serial# 35698905
Enlisted March 17, 1943

Duane 35608905
Green 35698905

the agent could have easily hit #9 by mistake!!! (9 is next to zero last I checked)



Its too bad none of this applies to the actual DB
Cooper case, but only to people with "claims" toiling
for CONTROL, in the vinyard of the Cooper case!

And if Unicorns and them that ride them were only
real! More Jesus in the Toast - pleez! Cup of cider
too.

Is Mary and that guy named Joseph on tonight?
I got them the free calendar at Orschleins they
wanted.

Have a Merry Christmas!


you are correct, but, can prove to Jo this is not a Government cover up, just mistakes and possibly
move on B|
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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this is all but confusing on how you come to your conclusions.
Date of letter supposedly from camp Sibert April 15. 1943
a post you made says Duane was discharged May 30, 1942?
possibly you meant 1943? which would be a couple months
according to his enlistment.

the records don't indicate anything about camp Sibert, he enlisted for
one year.

where are you getting this from:
Co D-2ed CWS Tng Regt
Camp Sibert, Ala

if you replace the 8 with a 5 on the number 35608905 Robert D Vance
pops up?

Duane enlisted March 31, 1943 and according to your statements Duane
was only there a couple months, chemical training didn't start at Sibert
until mid 1943? as in June/July....

" Maybe I will get a chance to see John soon. He might get sent to Camp
Sibert Ala before he goes across."

to me this sounds like Duane is not in Alabama because of the way
he says the whole name vs him saying, he might be sent to camp
sibert here with me. why would he give his mother the state's name
since she knew where he was?

The best way to verify this is you showing the postmark of the letter.
this would back up your statement.




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for like the 10th time, click on Georger when you want to talk to Georger, you keep putting me in between your battle! >:(



No battle. Never was. It's just taken forever for him to circle around and find the beginning. The real beginning, not the one he made up.

Concerning vibrating the molecules of nitro-
glycerine, trinitroglycerin, trinitroglycerine ....
lets leave that to Snowmman, 377, and
RobertMBlevins, and Jo Weber. They love a new
unicorn to ride and Geoff Gray gave them one ...

Swamp land, bridges, real estate, and books!
Keeps hope alive for some.

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"The ARMY number for Duane L. Weber was - 35 608 905.
WHY did the FBI say this number belonged to WAVY Green - is this number that close to anyone with that name by any spelling?"

Yes, Wavie C Green serial# 35698905
Enlisted March 17, 1943

Duane 35608905
Green 35698905

the agent could have easily hit #9 by mistake!!! (9 is next to zero last I checked)



Its too bad none of this applies to the actual DB
Cooper case, but only to people with "claims" toiling
for CONTROL, in the vinyard of the Cooper case!

And if Unicorns and them that ride them were only
real! More Jesus in the Toast - pleez! Cup of cider
too.

Is Mary and that guy named Joseph on tonight?
I got them the free calendar at Orschleins they
wanted.

Have a Merry Christmas!


you are correct, but, can prove to Jo this is not a Government cover up, just mistakes and possibly
move on B|


Cant prove to a grapefruit a light bulb isnt the Sun!

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this is all but confusing on how you come to your conclusions.
Date of letter supposedly from camp Sibert April 15. 1943
a post you made says Duane was discharged May 30, 1942?
possibly you meant 1943? which would be a couple months
according to his enlistment.




The May date May 30 1942 is his release from the NAVY!
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is there not a difference between a electrical circuit vs transmitter circuit?

a transmitting device would have a antenna and could be detonated from
another radio source as to where a simple electronic circuit would not
send or receive any type of radio signals or waves which could
detonate prematurely, correct?

So then this would be the question: Could a transmitter emiting a signal cause an electronic circuit to become disrupted and/or malfunction?

If that is true, and I am thinking back to someone's post about Morotola's warning signs on two-way radion communication in blast areas, then it would warranted that the hijacker could have concern for a premature detonation.

Also, then it could be established that the hijacker was more than just a cut-rate poser trying to fake his way through a skyjack with a homeade bomb?

Possessing information such as this would give him some credibility as to having knowledge of and experience with electronic circuitry, transmitter frequencies and bomb-making...correct?

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That is the name the FBI agent gave me. Wavie Green

Duane was in the Navy June 18, 1941 until May 30, 1942.

Some one is mixing Navy and Army.

Can only stay on line about 1 minute and then loose connections.

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Cannot read all post.

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Something I have been thinking about:

Q: Why was the hijacker concerned about radio currents accidently detonating his explosive device?

Q: Is this a true concern with the in-flight technology of 1971?

Q: Does this infer that the explosive device was real?

Q: If so, does that also infer that the hijacker was trained in both the construction and use of explosives?

Q: Is his concern based on experience? Professional expertise? Knowledge/research?

Q: Was it simply a ruse to lead the crew to believe that he in fact had a real bomb when if was only a prop?

Q: Shouldn't this have been something he planned for if it was a real concern?

Q: What does an accidental detonation because of radio wave interference tell us about the kind of explosive device he may have been carrying?



18E - where do all of the above questions come from?

Since you are new - inform the thread of you source and why you are asking such questions.



Some people ask questions to find answers. I simply gather as much obejctive information and consider good questions that can lead to objective answers. I'm not on here to promote, dismiss or be argumentative. I simply am intrigued by the fact that this guy was never caught while up against such fhigh risk factors that history tells us the majority of time would lead to capture or death (still uncertain). It's a phenomonal outcome to a sensatational crime.

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Was never able to get that book.
Poor excuse for library here and I asked them to send it from another library. Requests like this are never done. I cannot afford to order the book and do not do anything over the internet.
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is there not a difference between a electrical circuit vs transmitter circuit?

a transmitting device would have a antenna and could be detonated from
another radio source as to where a simple electronic circuit would not
send or receive any type of radio signals or waves which could
detonate prematurely, correct?

So then this would be the question: Could a transmitter emiting a signal cause an electronic circuit to become disrupted and/or malfunction?

If that is true, and I am thinking back to someone's post about Morotola's warning signs on two-way radion communication in blast areas, then it would warranted that the hijacker could have concern for a premature detonation.

Also, then it could be established that the hijacker was more than just a cut-rate poser trying to fake his way through a skyjack with a homeade bomb?

Possessing information such as this would give him some credibility as to having knowledge of and experience with electronic circuitry, transmitter frequencies and bomb-making...correct?



well, I'm no bomb expert by any means,but, since the device didn't have a transmitting device (remote control)
and he was threatening the explosion by connecting two wires, one would have to believe only a circuit board
was used along with the battery to detonate and would not be interfered by radio signals IMO.
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is there not a difference between a electrical circuit vs transmitter circuit?

a transmitting device would have a antenna and could be detonated from
another radio source as to where a simple electronic circuit would not
send or receive any type of radio signals or waves which could
detonate prematurely, correct?

So then this would be the question: Could a transmitter emiting a signal cause an electronic circuit to become disrupted and/or malfunction?

If that is true, and I am thinking back to someone's post about Morotola's warning signs on two-way radion communication in blast areas, then it would warranted that the hijacker could have concern for a premature detonation.

Also, then it could be established that the hijacker was more than just a cut-rate poser trying to fake his way through a skyjack with a homeade bomb?

Possessing information such as this would give him some credibility as to having knowledge of and experience with electronic circuitry, transmitter frequencies and bomb-making...correct?



well, I'm no bomb expert by any means,but, since the device didn't have a transmitting device (remote control)
and he was threatening the explosion by connecting two wires, one would have to believe only a circuit board
was used along with the battery to detonate and
would not be interfered by radio signals IMO.



Would you agree then that his concern would be telling if this were proved to be real concern or a falacy?

If the transmitting signals from the plane's cockpit could disrupt the electronic circuitry of his bomb and prematurely detonate it then he has knowledge of explosive's, etc.

If the is all bunk, then he is talking out his backside and reveals that he is ignorant of potential interferring technology and explosives.

Would this be something to deduce?

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Jo Weber/RobertMBlevins: two of a kind. Both off
their rocker!

Next time, Mr. Cooper, try to get the history you said
was 'no history', correct. Jo Weber will help you spin
the yarn ...



Please Georger apologize for that part of your post.

I am NOT off my "Rocker" and I have NO connections to Blevins.

What I do is independent and unrelated to any other suspect or their story!

I can only stay on line just long enough to make one short post and then sometimes I have to do it over and over.

Just leave JO out of you cocky post to Blevins. PLEASE! Time is of the essence and I do not need to spend what time I have crying over the likes of derogatory posts about me or what I have to say. I am relaying what I know and trying to comply with the requests may by posters - I may not have another chance to be heard.

Robert99 - yes I was alive and well in 1943. I am making the reports from verifiable documents and actual letters. Yet, you have the GALL to state the letter was a phoney - YOU ARE THE PHONEY!

The letter from Camp Sibert has been certified as being official so please SHUT up.
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I haven't read Skyjack, is this were the information of Cooper's concern for the bomb is? I have never heard this before?
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this is all but confusing on how you come to your conclusions.
Date of letter supposedly from camp Sibert April 15. 1943
a post you made says Duane was discharged May 30, 1942?
possibly you meant 1943? which would be a couple months
according to his enlistment.

the records don't indicate anything about camp Sibert, he enlisted for
one year.

where are you getting this from:
Co D-2ed CWS Tng Regt
Camp Sibert, Ala

if you replace the 8 with a 5 on the number 35608905 Robert D Vance
pops up?

Duane enlisted March 31, 1943 and according to your statements Duane
was only there a couple months, chemical training didn't start at Sibert
until mid 1943? as in June/July....

" Maybe I will get a chance to see John soon. He might get sent to Camp
Sibert Ala before he goes across."

to me this sounds like Duane is not in Alabama because of the way
he says the whole name vs him saying, he might be sent to camp
sibert here with me. why would he give his mother the state's name
since she knew where he was?

The best way to verify this is you showing the postmark of the letter.
this would back up your statement.



Perhaps the 1st paragraph will clarify this.

Dear Mother:
Recieved your first letter today with the dollar in it. Thank you very much for the money. I sure did need it. I thought maybe if I came home I would get this straighten out and save you people a lot of money.

This letter is written on Official Camp Sibert stationary. It is a copy and it is yellowed. The brother sent this to me. I expect the original was in his mother's journals. John has since died so finding the original will be useless ordeal. Obviously a picture of Duane in uniform was sent, but the family could not find the photo.


The address is clearly stated in long hand on at the end of the letter.

Duane L. Weber 35608905
Co D - 2ed CWS Tng Regt.
Camp Sibert
Ala.

I never understood what the part about John meant about his being able to see Duane before he went over other than HOPEFUL speculation by Duane on Duane's part. The Duane I knew wanted and needed a family and I think my family became that for him.

Certianly I did NOT read any malice into the letter and it seemed like he still at that time idolized his older brother. John was 13 yrs older than Duane. Perhaps that helps. His sister was 8 or 6 yrs older (I forget now). Duane was a change of life baby and the 2 brothers had similar appearances.

Hopefully the line will allow this post to be made without my having to repeat again.

I am VERY tired and I am in LOTS of pain - so please LET me have some PEACE for this Christmas. What Robert99 was stating (out of obstentation and lake of Knowledge) has brought tme to tears and I had to take medication to calm me down. I hate that his bastardly attitude.
HE is encapable of making a mistake. Well, he made one on this. I have the historians work and it does NOT support his claims about Camp Siebert.

A lot of information gets scrambled when yrs later individuals are creating historical documents - they usually are JUST writers creating a internet page and are not all that consumed in total accuracy - which if you read the Smoke Jumper history - the different writers changed things mulitple time since the first writings.

Yet, there are so many Robert99's out there who swear this or that is acturate when other documents give conflicting information - all written by different historical writers. Only those compiled and checked by multiple writers could even be considered to be acurate.
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Would you agree then that his concern would be telling if this were proved to be real concern or a falacy?

If the transmitting signals from the plane's cockpit could disrupt the electronic circuitry of his bomb and prematurely detonate it then he has knowledge of explosive's, etc.

If the is all bunk, then he is talking out his backside and reveals that he is ignorant of potential interferring technology and explosives. Would this be something to deduce?



Well sure... nitro in its original form was extremely
sensitive to molecular vibration and temperature -
vibrating molecules raises temp. In modern
dynamite is less of a concern, but still a concern.
Dynamite caps are metallic and thus subject to
electromagnetic induction from strong electrical
currents, or plasma particles to a certain extent.
Induction in metals raises their temperature so sure,
theoretically his dynamite sticks and caps were
theoretically vulnerable, if that's what they were?

If he raised this issue, and I guess we have to take
Geoff's word that he found mention of this in some
file, my feeling is Cooper raised the issue to try and
scare crew into curtailing communications, but at the
signal strengths involved and the distance he was
from any antenna or transmitters (Im guessing?) it
was not a real issue, but only a strawman (red
herring).

It fits with Cooper's use of technical jargon to try and
control events - he doesnt claim to have a bomb
with a fuse he has to light with a match, but an
electrically controled bomb where he only has to
touch two wires together and 'boom'. He doesnt use
a pistol or meat axe but an electrically controled
bomb, equals technology, equals smarts, engin-
eering ... as one crew said: "maybe he has the
damned manual back there!?"

The primary need and effect is "control".

We see it every day here in posters-posers. The
need to control by whatever means is available.

Im so sick I cannot continue this post or I may die,
Im on a pill, Im so sick, please dont abuse me Im
old, and I might sue you if you use the word
"catsup" or "snail"! "Is there anybody in there?" .

Now if Cooper's bomb was a dud and a fake, then its
all for effect and control.

Cooper is lucky some female LE person dressed like
Hancock didnt walk in to retrieve her purse asking
permission of Cooper, he say's ok, then she goes to
get the purse and puts a bullet between Cooper's
eyes ... to take control back!

The central issue for Cooper is "control", as with all
artisans of crafting ..

Geoff Gray isnt here to question, unfortunately.
Geoff is controling his craft, in another direction -

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Nitroglycerin is in a solid form making Dynamite, I sill believe if the bomb
was only having a ignition source via battery, radio signals would have
no affect, signals only affect transmissions, radio, television etc.

cell phones and computers are transceivers and this is why airlines will
ask you to shut them off. possible microwave signal from them?

I don't see how a small circuit board and a battery could be disrupted by
radio signals? If this was brought up by Cooper, I believe this would
be part two of his bluff, it would send more panic into play.
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Robert99 - yes I was alive and well in 1943. I am making the reports from verifiable documents and actual letters. Yet, you have the GALL to state the letter was a phoney - YOU ARE THE PHONEY!

The letter from Camp Sibert has been certified as being official so please SHUT up.



Jo, You are lying through your teeth when you claim that I said Duane's letter was a phoney! If you actually read the posts on this thread, including your own, then you know you are lying.

Would you care to define what an "official" personal letter is?

I suggest that you take your own advice and shut up until you know what you are talking about.

Georger has you correctly pegged.

Robert99

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I haven't read Skyjack, is this were the information of Cooper's concern for the bomb is? I have never heard this before?



Yes, this account is found on pg. 47 and 48 of Skyjack. The hijacker is concerned about the strength of the radio currents on the airplane and that they could accidentally detonate the bomb.

The cockpit asks if he is sure and Tina replies that he is not sure.

This is in ways my point. This forum contains a lot of other stuff that are indirectly related to the topic or not even remotely, indirectly related. A lot of personalities on here trying to gain the intellectual and moral high ground.

Is it true that Gray is one of the few civilians and maybe the only one who has been given access to FBI files and evidence to the extent that he was? If so, this makes Gray's account very important for research purposes. Point being, maybe this question regarding the hijacker's bomb and radio transmission knowledge has been discussed here before. In my estimation, it is an important facet of the account as it is telling of the hijacker.

There is much to learn if you think critically with an eye for detail.

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I am VERY tired and I am in LOTS of pain - so please LET me have some PEACE for this Christmas. What Robert99 was stating (out of obstentation and lake of Knowledge) has brought tme to tears and I had to take medication to calm me down. I hate that his bastardly attitude.
HE is encapable of making a mistake. Well, he made one on this. I have the historians work and it does NOT support his claims about Camp Siebert.

Yet, there are so many Robert99's out there who swear this or that is acturate when other documents give conflicting information - all written by different historical writers. Only those compiled and checked by multiple writers could even be considered to be acurate.



Jo, I have NOT made ANY claims about Camp Siebert! You need to pay attention to what you are reading and who wrote it!

I was an eye witness to the balloon bomb situation! Your apparent belief that someone who wasn't there, which includes yourself, is the only source of truth in that matter is beyond nonsense!

Grow up!

Robert99

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well, once again we can't prove anything about Cooper by the bomb, we don't
know if it was real or not, so how would one learn anything from this? if in fact
he built a real bomb, wouldn't the odds be for him knowing if transmissions would
detonate it?

I'm going to look into this further, but still believe some sort of transmission device
would have had to be on the bomb (remote control) to interfere with transmissions.

the device if real had the circuit broken by the two wires, so how could it detonate
unless he completed the circuit by crossing the wires.
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I haven't read Skyjack, is this were the information of Cooper's concern for the bomb is? I have never heard this before?



Yes, this account is found on pg. 47 and 48 of Skyjack. The hijacker is concerned about the strength of the radio currents on the airplane and that they could accidentally detonate the bomb.

The cockpit asks if he is sure and Tina replies that he is not sure.

This is in ways my point. This forum contains a lot of other stuff that are indirectly related to the topic or not even remotely, indirectly related. A lot of personalities on here trying to gain the intellectual and moral high ground.

Is it true that Gray is one of the few civilians and maybe the only one who has been given access to FBI files and evidence to the extent that he was? If so, this makes Gray's account very important for research purposes. Point being, maybe this question regarding the hijacker's bomb and radio transmission knowledge has been discussed here before. In my estimation, it is an important facet of the account as it is telling of the hijacker.

There is much to learn if you think critically with an eye for detail.



Gray was allowed access to the original copies of the witness reports taken in Seattle (passengers, Stewardesses Hancock and Schaffner) and the ones in Reno. (Other crew)

It's very likely that Cooper, as far as the 'radio signal' stuff, was simply trying to disrupt communications between the FBI and the plane, or something similar. We know he was worried about snipers, because he ordered (or helped do) the closing of the window shades, at least back in Coach. (I haven't checked if he had this done up in First Class)

Agent Himmelsbach's opinion is that the bomb was a fake anyway. I hold with this opinion, but of course I have no way of knowing for sure. The real question about the bomb is THIS:

Would Cooper be willing to blow up the plane? Would he risk it accidentally going off and killing himself and anyone on board? I think 'no' on this one. Nothing he did pointed to being psychotic or emotionally disturbed. Money-hungry, yes. Psycho, no. And it's easier to construct a fake bomb than a real one.



I respect the fact the you likely have more knowledge about the Cooper hijacking than I do, but I do disagree with what you propose as the 'real question about the bomb.'

If we are thinking in terms of who the hijacker could be, a profile, then we can conclude the following:

- If what he is saying of his concerns is true...that radio transmissions from the plane could cause his electronic circuitry to detonate the explosive, then he has received or been educated in explosives and radio transmission technology.

- this would then lead you to believe that he possibly had military training in connection with explosives.

- If what he is saying of his concern is not true...that radio transmissions from the cockpit could not ever cause the electronic circuitry to detonate his explosive than we can conclude that it was simply a ploy to exert his further control of the situation as stated earlier.

- however, this does not necessarily disclude the fact that he still could have had military training in explosives. Only that he may have wanted to exploit a sitaution to control the the communications between the cockpit and others outside the plane.

- And, he did comment that 'he wasn't sure' if the transmissions could detonate his bomb.

There is something here. Not too terribly much, but a little light could be gained if someone can confirm his concerns on this subject to be true or false.

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