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georger 197
The above quote by Snowmman is a positive. The FBI has answered that for us already. Yes, they lost evidence - the cigarette butts.
REPLY> That is not certain at all. Information
earlier (in these and other pages) suggested the
butts were returned to Reno after analysis and are still at Reno in storage, somewhere. Ckret spoke
to this long ago.
Your Duane was "not" DB Cooper, any more than
I am the Pope!
Georger
REPLY> That is not certain at all. Information
earlier (in these and other pages) suggested the
butts were returned to Reno after analysis and are still at Reno in storage, somewhere. Ckret spoke
to this long ago.
Your Duane was "not" DB Cooper, any more than
I am the Pope!
Georger
georger 197
I think there is sufficient evidence that the person making the tic-marks slipped 1 major tic-mark west for FOUR* plotted, hand-drawn tic-marks and then corrected the error. They left the tic-marks but plotted the line correctly.
REPLY>
Thanks for the reply Sluggo. I understand the
dilemma.
What interests me most is the orphans only exist
at PDX and nowhere else on the map. The
uncertainty is centered at PDX and Im not sure
it is uncertainty. I also find it interesting that just south of Orchards at "RGREEN" they swing wide, west of PDX, as if to avoid it. And does this depart from where you would expect them to go, given their previous path along V23 - in some meaningful manner?
Both FP tic sets avoid PDX to the west. Why?
The only question is by how much. Why were
they avoiding PDX and when was that decision made, or was this standard procedure?
Had Cooper bailed or was he in the process
of bailing (in the minds of the crew at the time)
starting just south of Orchards/RGREEN ? Is that
why they swung wide of PDX?
Also, notice the two pencil dots (tic marks?) right
in the middle of the Columbia River? (attached phto
I have pulled this map apart in layers. I may post
the layers later tonight.
George
REPLY>
Thanks for the reply Sluggo. I understand the
dilemma.
What interests me most is the orphans only exist
at PDX and nowhere else on the map. The
uncertainty is centered at PDX and Im not sure
it is uncertainty. I also find it interesting that just south of Orchards at "RGREEN" they swing wide, west of PDX, as if to avoid it. And does this depart from where you would expect them to go, given their previous path along V23 - in some meaningful manner?
Both FP tic sets avoid PDX to the west. Why?
The only question is by how much. Why were
they avoiding PDX and when was that decision made, or was this standard procedure?
Had Cooper bailed or was he in the process
of bailing (in the minds of the crew at the time)
starting just south of Orchards/RGREEN ? Is that
why they swung wide of PDX?
Also, notice the two pencil dots (tic marks?) right
in the middle of the Columbia River? (attached phto
I have pulled this map apart in layers. I may post
the layers later tonight.
George
The above quote by Snowmman is a positive. The FBI has answered that for us already. Yes, they lost evidence - the cigarette butts.
They do not have the Rodeway Interview of the night clerk, that too has been discarded. All we have are his recollections and statement made 37 yrs later, which as 377 has pointed out - can be altered over time.
He chose not to contact the FBI in 2001 when he read the article in the Oregonian by Margie Boule, because of his job or other concernes. Most people prefer not to be come involved with the media or as a witness - as it has negative conclusions - I speak from experience.
He did contact me thru Margie Boule on a confidencial basis. We both were careful to check each other out. All of these yrs I have yet to divulge this person except to the FBI, but he decided last yr to do it of his own free will. The FBI obviously was not interested in interviewing him while he was in the States, but he is making his statement in a written accounting although his name will be withheld to the public and only available to the FBI.
His first rough graft had somethings twisted around which he caught on his own and he has not been coached or instructed to make the written statement. This is coming of his own free will and the ex-wife vouches for his story.
If you were interviewed by the FBI on your job at a hotel on a Thanksgiving day regarding a skyjacking, you would have reason to remember it.
He was a young man in 1971 and when the FBI did not contact him a second time he assumed nothing checked out. When he picked up the Oregonian in 2001 (could be 2000) he saw the picture of Duane Weber and he knew that was the man named John Collins who checked into the hotel the night before the crime occurred.
He remembered it because it is not everyday someone is questioned about a crime of this nature - it was forever imbedded into his mind, but put into the past until the day he saw a photo of Duane in the Oregonian (by the way I do NOT know which picture she used).
He recalled what the FBI told him when they talked to him on Thanksgiving day and what he said - the name of the man was John Collins and he signed in as John Collins. Why would he remember that name - because at the time "Cooper" checked in a conversation ensued - regarding the quest's inquiry about the bar and the resulting comments about the drink "Tom Collins". The guest asked for a late wake-up call and that is not a usual thing at an airport, I suppose.
He did not know how the man arrive, but got the impression at a later date that someone might have been with him - since this is not something he knew for certain he is leaving it out his statement.
He sent me an email regarding this about a yr ago and I shared it with the FBI to no avail. He will now be making a formal statement regarding his interview with the FBI on Thanksgiving day.
I asked him how he could know how tall he was. The gentleman is 6ft 1inches himself and since 6 ft was not the averagel height in 1971 as he was looking directly at him. I vouch for 6 ft not being the norm as I was 5' 7" in high school. Myself and another classmate always had to stand in the back row with the guys in group pictures. Only 2 or 3 of the guys where taller than she and I - (she was a little taller than I).
Ckret knows I called him last yr when the guy was in the States - but the FBI did NOT contact him. I was told to instruct the man to contact them (the FBI). The witness was only here for a few weeks. The FBI was not interested enough to make an effort on their own and perhaps Ckret didn't have time with the media attention regarding his going public and since this witness was putting Duane in Portland the night before the crime was committed.
I got the dates all messed up like everyone else does. The 23rd was Tuesday night, Thanksgiving Eve was the 24th and Thanksgiving day was the 25th. If Ckret disqualified the man and myself on this he made a very bad choice.
It had been 36 yrs. and now going on 37 yrs.
Strange as it may sound I know where I was on Thanksgiving day in 1971 and who I shared it with - and it was NOT a family affair. Odd to me that I remembered that just as I was finishing this up.
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