MakeItHappen 15 #1 January 25, 2009 I read some court documents that said: "AerOhio Skydiving Center, Inc., is not financially viable to continue to generate and/or participate in ongoing discovery and is currently in the process of closing its business effective December 31, 2008." 12-30-08 "AerOhio has ceased doing business and has substantially exhausted its assets, such that it has no ability to pay for the continued services of counsel or any judgment that may be entered in this matter against it." 1-21-09 .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #2 January 25, 2009 Sounds like AerOhio 2009 inc. may be on the way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #3 January 25, 2009 QuoteSounds like AerOhio 2009 inc. may be on the way. I don't quite follow you on that. What does that mean? .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #4 January 25, 2009 Why not just give them a call and ask directly? 330-925-3483 And an edit: QuoteI read some court documents Did you just happen to stumble upon them coming home from grocery shopping? Got agenda?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaptZypher 0 #5 January 25, 2009 QuoteQuoteI read some court documents that said: "AerOhio Skydiving Center, Inc., is not financially viable to continue to generate and/or participate in ongoing discovery and is currently in the process of closing its business effective December 31, 2008." 12-30-08 "AerOhio has ceased doing business and has substantially exhausted its assets, such that it has no ability to pay for the continued services of counsel or any judgment that may be entered in this matter against it." 1-21-09 . Why should this even matter to someone who doesn't skydive? Haven't seen you jump in at least a couple of years. Do you still own gear?If I had all the money Ive spent on skydiving, I'd spend it on skydiving! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites likestojump 3 #6 January 25, 2009 QuoteQuoteSounds like AerOhio 2009 inc. may be on the way. I don't quite follow you on that. What does that mean? . he means that whatever corporation was doing business as AeroOhio is going to be closed, and a new one will be started to run DBA AerOhio in 2009. Kind of like Precision :) PS the root cause quite obviously being listed on page 71 of this document : http://www.uspa.org/Portals/0/Downloads/Min_BOD_2008_09.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pchapman 261 #7 January 26, 2009 The page 71 thing: QUOTE: Ohio Lawsuit 1. David Roberts (tandem jump instructor), William Blake Milford (pilot of plane involved in the jump), Aerohio Skydiving Center, Inc. (drop zone). SPOT, LLC (entity which owned the plane involved in the jump), S.E., Inc. (manufacturer of the Dual Hawk tandem harness) and USPA (collectively, the “Defendants”) all are liable for the death of Ellen McWilliams. 2. USPA was negligent in reporting safety mishaps involving tandem jumps to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) or the other Defendants. 3. USPA misrepresented data about safety mishaps to the FAA, or the other Defendants, including lobbying the FAA that tandem jumping is safe. 4. USPA assumed a duty to keep tandem jumping safe and failed in this duty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #8 January 26, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteSounds like AerOhio 2009 inc. may be on the way. I don't quite follow you on that. What does that mean? . he means that whatever corporation was doing business as AeroOhio is going to be closed, and a new one will be started to run DBA AerOhio in 2009. Kind of like Precision :) Yes that is exactly what I meant. I have seen it used a few times to insulate assets from litigation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peek 20 #9 January 26, 2009 QuoteWhy not just give them a call and ask directly? 330-925-3483 And an edit: QuoteI read some court documents Did you just happen to stumble upon them coming home from grocery shopping? Got agenda? The agendas for the next BOD meeting are on the USPA web site. I don't see anything in any of them about the discussion of the lawsuit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chriswelker 0 #10 January 27, 2009 QuoteThe page 71 thing: QUOTE: Ohio Lawsuit 1. David Roberts (tandem jump instructor), William Blake Milford (pilot of plane involved in the jump), Aerohio Skydiving Center, Inc. (drop zone). SPOT, LLC (entity which owned the plane involved in the jump), S.E., Inc. (manufacturer of the Dual Hawk tandem harness) and USPA (collectively, the “Defendants”) all are liable for the death of Ellen McWilliams. 2. USPA was negligent in reporting safety mishaps involving tandem jumps to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) or the other Defendants. 3. USPA misrepresented data about safety mishaps to the FAA, or the other Defendants, including lobbying the FAA that tandem jumping is safe. 4. USPA assumed a duty to keep tandem jumping safe and failed in this duty. So USPA gets named in the lawsuit because said DZ is a Group Member?Anyone care to explain once again how the GM program is an asset to USPA? This settelement or judgement could make the whole skyride screw up look like a walk in the park. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CSpenceFLY 1 #11 January 27, 2009 Pretty standard practice. Take a look and almost any lawsuit involving an airplane. You could have a pilot run out of gas and if the family can find a lawyer to take the case Goodyear will be included in the suit because they made the tires. Again, thank an attorney and our law makers. Before someone comments on me bashing lawyers again. Please explain to us all how this is close to being a justified practice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #12 January 27, 2009 This is why no one should ever claim that skydiving is safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CSpenceFLY 1 #13 January 27, 2009 You are exactly right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MiataMan 0 #14 January 28, 2009 Quote... skydiving is safe. What's that you say?A man without a mustache is like a hamburger without a bun, Un-American. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites labrys 0 #15 January 28, 2009 QuoteThis is why no one should ever claim that skydiving is safe. Quote... skydiving is safe. QuoteWhat's that you say? WTF, Over? I've never seen a more blatant example of taking a quote out of context than this one.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #16 January 28, 2009 Don't pay him any attention. He is just giving me a hard time. He is jealous cause I have a much cooler mustache then him!Oh wait I don't have a mustache!! Hmm must be something else! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #17 January 28, 2009 Quote He is jealous cause I have a much cooler mustache then him! Is that possible???Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites scroadload 1 #18 January 29, 2009 Why the rumor mongering? You as a former BOD member should blunt your comments and stick to FACTS, Not some tandem or whuffo gabbing.D-2626, SCR1999, SCS641, NSCR2350, GW6909 Blue Skies!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites divnswoop 0 #19 January 29, 2009 QuoteWhy the rumor mongering? You as a BOD member should Negative ghost rider......You need to adjust your sentence to, "You as a former BOD......" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #20 January 29, 2009 QuoteNegative ghost rider......You need to adjust your sentence to, "You as a former BOD......" This is a good example as to the reasons why the general membership of the USPA voted her off the BOD, though.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MakeItHappen 15 #21 January 29, 2009 Quote Why the rumor mongering? You as a former BOD member should blunt your comments and stick to FACTS, Not some tandem or whuffo gabbing. Are you saying that what Aerohio wrote in court documents is not true? If you want, I can email you the court documents. I already quoted the text from those documents. The documents were submitted by Aerohio. Their web site provides no indication that they went out of business on Dec 31, 2008. In fact, it was last edited on 1-6-09. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites likestojump 3 #22 January 29, 2009 Quote Quote Why the rumor mongering? You as a former BOD member should blunt your comments and stick to FACTS, Not some tandem or whuffo gabbing. Are you saying that what Aerohio wrote in court documents is not true? If you want, I can email you the court documents. I already quoted the text from those documents. The documents were submitted by Aerohio. Their web site provides no indication that they went out of business on Dec 31, 2008. In fact, it was last edited on 1-6-09. . no. what the court documents say is that "AerOhio Skydiving Center, Inc." is not able to continue doing business. It does not mean that www.aerohio.com is affiliated with them. They could be owned by "Aerohio adventure corp", "Jerry's crash and burn, inc" or any other business Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MakeItHappen 15 #23 January 29, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Why the rumor mongering? You as a former BOD member should blunt your comments and stick to FACTS, Not some tandem or whuffo gabbing. Are you saying that what Aerohio wrote in court documents is not true? If you want, I can email you the court documents. I already quoted the text from those documents. The documents were submitted by Aerohio. Their web site provides no indication that they went out of business on Dec 31, 2008. In fact, it was last edited on 1-6-09. . no. what the court documents say is that "AerOhio Skydiving Center, Inc." is not able to continue doing business. It does not mean that www.aerohio.com is affiliated with them. They could be owned by "Aerohio adventure corp", "Jerry's crash and burn, inc" or any other business Since you have seen the court documents, then my original post is correct, is FACTUAL and definitely not 'rumor mongering'. The web site I looked at was jumptoday.com as listed in Parachutist. Jumptoday.com is associated to a company called Aerohio Skydiving Center, Inc. in Parachutist and on this contacts page. (I believe aerohio.com is aliased to the same pages.) Whois searches for both domains list Tim Butcher as the owner of the web site. The web sites advertise a special for valentine's day, just two weeks away, yet they are supposed to have closed the doors. Their web site indicates that they are in business, the court documents say they are closed, so what is it, open or closed? .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites likestojump 3 #24 January 29, 2009 I have no seen any court documents. I am only using the data that you provided (your first post indicated the Inc name). Whois records sometimes go years without being updated. Whatever is listed in in the latest Parachutist was submitted before Dec 31, 2008 I believe you are on a witchhunt. What is your agenda ? Libel ? PS look closely at the contacts page that you link. Are you sure it's the same company name ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites likestojump 3 #25 January 29, 2009 I would have sent you a PM as a response to yours, but you do not acccept PMs. weird... thank you for sending me the documents. Can you send me anything else you have ? just a disclaimer : I am not an attorney, just someone who likes to argue. I also have met all the defendants (though it has been a number of years, and prior to the incident) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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likestojump 3 #6 January 25, 2009 QuoteQuoteSounds like AerOhio 2009 inc. may be on the way. I don't quite follow you on that. What does that mean? . he means that whatever corporation was doing business as AeroOhio is going to be closed, and a new one will be started to run DBA AerOhio in 2009. Kind of like Precision :) PS the root cause quite obviously being listed on page 71 of this document : http://www.uspa.org/Portals/0/Downloads/Min_BOD_2008_09.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 261 #7 January 26, 2009 The page 71 thing: QUOTE: Ohio Lawsuit 1. David Roberts (tandem jump instructor), William Blake Milford (pilot of plane involved in the jump), Aerohio Skydiving Center, Inc. (drop zone). SPOT, LLC (entity which owned the plane involved in the jump), S.E., Inc. (manufacturer of the Dual Hawk tandem harness) and USPA (collectively, the “Defendants”) all are liable for the death of Ellen McWilliams. 2. USPA was negligent in reporting safety mishaps involving tandem jumps to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) or the other Defendants. 3. USPA misrepresented data about safety mishaps to the FAA, or the other Defendants, including lobbying the FAA that tandem jumping is safe. 4. USPA assumed a duty to keep tandem jumping safe and failed in this duty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #8 January 26, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteSounds like AerOhio 2009 inc. may be on the way. I don't quite follow you on that. What does that mean? . he means that whatever corporation was doing business as AeroOhio is going to be closed, and a new one will be started to run DBA AerOhio in 2009. Kind of like Precision :) Yes that is exactly what I meant. I have seen it used a few times to insulate assets from litigation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peek 20 #9 January 26, 2009 QuoteWhy not just give them a call and ask directly? 330-925-3483 And an edit: QuoteI read some court documents Did you just happen to stumble upon them coming home from grocery shopping? Got agenda? The agendas for the next BOD meeting are on the USPA web site. I don't see anything in any of them about the discussion of the lawsuit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chriswelker 0 #10 January 27, 2009 QuoteThe page 71 thing: QUOTE: Ohio Lawsuit 1. David Roberts (tandem jump instructor), William Blake Milford (pilot of plane involved in the jump), Aerohio Skydiving Center, Inc. (drop zone). SPOT, LLC (entity which owned the plane involved in the jump), S.E., Inc. (manufacturer of the Dual Hawk tandem harness) and USPA (collectively, the “Defendants”) all are liable for the death of Ellen McWilliams. 2. USPA was negligent in reporting safety mishaps involving tandem jumps to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) or the other Defendants. 3. USPA misrepresented data about safety mishaps to the FAA, or the other Defendants, including lobbying the FAA that tandem jumping is safe. 4. USPA assumed a duty to keep tandem jumping safe and failed in this duty. So USPA gets named in the lawsuit because said DZ is a Group Member?Anyone care to explain once again how the GM program is an asset to USPA? This settelement or judgement could make the whole skyride screw up look like a walk in the park. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #11 January 27, 2009 Pretty standard practice. Take a look and almost any lawsuit involving an airplane. You could have a pilot run out of gas and if the family can find a lawyer to take the case Goodyear will be included in the suit because they made the tires. Again, thank an attorney and our law makers. Before someone comments on me bashing lawyers again. Please explain to us all how this is close to being a justified practice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #12 January 27, 2009 This is why no one should ever claim that skydiving is safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #13 January 27, 2009 You are exactly right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MiataMan 0 #14 January 28, 2009 Quote... skydiving is safe. What's that you say?A man without a mustache is like a hamburger without a bun, Un-American. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #15 January 28, 2009 QuoteThis is why no one should ever claim that skydiving is safe. Quote... skydiving is safe. QuoteWhat's that you say? WTF, Over? I've never seen a more blatant example of taking a quote out of context than this one.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #16 January 28, 2009 Don't pay him any attention. He is just giving me a hard time. He is jealous cause I have a much cooler mustache then him!Oh wait I don't have a mustache!! Hmm must be something else! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #17 January 28, 2009 Quote He is jealous cause I have a much cooler mustache then him! Is that possible???Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scroadload 1 #18 January 29, 2009 Why the rumor mongering? You as a former BOD member should blunt your comments and stick to FACTS, Not some tandem or whuffo gabbing.D-2626, SCR1999, SCS641, NSCR2350, GW6909 Blue Skies!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
divnswoop 0 #19 January 29, 2009 QuoteWhy the rumor mongering? You as a BOD member should Negative ghost rider......You need to adjust your sentence to, "You as a former BOD......" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #20 January 29, 2009 QuoteNegative ghost rider......You need to adjust your sentence to, "You as a former BOD......" This is a good example as to the reasons why the general membership of the USPA voted her off the BOD, though.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #21 January 29, 2009 Quote Why the rumor mongering? You as a former BOD member should blunt your comments and stick to FACTS, Not some tandem or whuffo gabbing. Are you saying that what Aerohio wrote in court documents is not true? If you want, I can email you the court documents. I already quoted the text from those documents. The documents were submitted by Aerohio. Their web site provides no indication that they went out of business on Dec 31, 2008. In fact, it was last edited on 1-6-09. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #22 January 29, 2009 Quote Quote Why the rumor mongering? You as a former BOD member should blunt your comments and stick to FACTS, Not some tandem or whuffo gabbing. Are you saying that what Aerohio wrote in court documents is not true? If you want, I can email you the court documents. I already quoted the text from those documents. The documents were submitted by Aerohio. Their web site provides no indication that they went out of business on Dec 31, 2008. In fact, it was last edited on 1-6-09. . no. what the court documents say is that "AerOhio Skydiving Center, Inc." is not able to continue doing business. It does not mean that www.aerohio.com is affiliated with them. They could be owned by "Aerohio adventure corp", "Jerry's crash and burn, inc" or any other business Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #23 January 29, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Why the rumor mongering? You as a former BOD member should blunt your comments and stick to FACTS, Not some tandem or whuffo gabbing. Are you saying that what Aerohio wrote in court documents is not true? If you want, I can email you the court documents. I already quoted the text from those documents. The documents were submitted by Aerohio. Their web site provides no indication that they went out of business on Dec 31, 2008. In fact, it was last edited on 1-6-09. . no. what the court documents say is that "AerOhio Skydiving Center, Inc." is not able to continue doing business. It does not mean that www.aerohio.com is affiliated with them. They could be owned by "Aerohio adventure corp", "Jerry's crash and burn, inc" or any other business Since you have seen the court documents, then my original post is correct, is FACTUAL and definitely not 'rumor mongering'. The web site I looked at was jumptoday.com as listed in Parachutist. Jumptoday.com is associated to a company called Aerohio Skydiving Center, Inc. in Parachutist and on this contacts page. (I believe aerohio.com is aliased to the same pages.) Whois searches for both domains list Tim Butcher as the owner of the web site. The web sites advertise a special for valentine's day, just two weeks away, yet they are supposed to have closed the doors. Their web site indicates that they are in business, the court documents say they are closed, so what is it, open or closed? .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #24 January 29, 2009 I have no seen any court documents. I am only using the data that you provided (your first post indicated the Inc name). Whois records sometimes go years without being updated. Whatever is listed in in the latest Parachutist was submitted before Dec 31, 2008 I believe you are on a witchhunt. What is your agenda ? Libel ? PS look closely at the contacts page that you link. Are you sure it's the same company name ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #25 January 29, 2009 I would have sent you a PM as a response to yours, but you do not acccept PMs. weird... thank you for sending me the documents. Can you send me anything else you have ? just a disclaimer : I am not an attorney, just someone who likes to argue. I also have met all the defendants (though it has been a number of years, and prior to the incident) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
