narcimund 0 #1 January 27, 2003 I must have missed something, but for many years people used the term CRW. Now suddenly there's a new acronym showing up. Where did this "CF" thing come from and why? Was there something wrong with CRW? Did it offend some minority group? Was it too long? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #2 January 27, 2003 It was "changed" quite a while ago(don't remember by whom) along with RW-->FS to give a more descriptive name to the disciplines. "(Canopy) Relative Work" is pretty vague for a whuffo, whereas "Formation Skydiving"(or "Canopy Formations") pretty much sums it up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #3 January 27, 2003 "It was changed"? By who? Who claims the right to enforce proscriptive nomenclature on a sport and a community? It takes more than some self-righteous do-gooder handing down from his throne new acronyms for everyone's good. "FS" my ass! People call it "arr-dub" everywhere I jump and I don't see any reason to change it. "CF" adds approximately nothing to whuffos' understanding and why do we care about whuffos anyway? "RW" and "CRW" have become words through their pronunciation as words, and that's far more alive and interesting than acronyms. There. I've had my disgruntled old-man language moment. Thanks for listening. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #4 January 27, 2003 Since you fell so strongly about it:It's not like its news... The subject has been briefly discussed here. As to who changed it, it must've been the IPC, since they are the source of the official rules. It had been changed in 1997, that was the oldest document I found on their website. I've always jumped FS(and not RW), but that's probably because I've only jumped since '98, and competed in 4-way FS since '01. Older jumpers call it RW here as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwmike 0 #5 January 27, 2003 Some years back, somebody decided to CF was more descriptive. Fine by me. Personally, I do CRW. Michael QuoteI must have missed something, but for many years people used the term CRW. Now suddenly there's a new acronym showing up. Where did this "CF" thing come from and why? Was there something wrong with CRW? Did it offend some minority group? Was it too long? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #6 January 27, 2003 Quote People call it "arr-dub" everywhere well except for the freaks, we just point and call you flats ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CDRINF 1 #7 January 27, 2003 The change (CRW and RW to CF and FS) was made by the IPC several years ago as the "official" names for these disciplines in international competition. Now - How many out there are old enough to remember when a "4-way star" used to be "4-man star?" Not me, but old timers have told me it changed because women in the sport objected to the old term. Any confirmation on that? Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #8 January 27, 2003 >"4-way star" used to be "4-man star?" Not me, but old timers >have told me it changed because women in the sport objected >to the old term. Any confirmation on that? Nope, but I'd much rather participate in 3-way instead of a 3-man.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #9 January 27, 2003 CRW=Combat Relative Work :)JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #10 January 27, 2003 Quote CRW=Combat Relative Work :) Yeah, and CF=Collision Flying ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #11 January 27, 2003 Quote Quote People call it "arr-dub" everywhere well except for the freaks, we just point and call you flats And the CRW dogs look at all of us and say "low pullers!" I was on a hybrid jump yesterday and one of the ladies visiting from out of town was commenting, "Wow, great exit for a freeflyer! I'm impressed." We all got a good chuckle out of that. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #12 January 27, 2003 Quote Since you fell so strongly about it: Yeah, well geez. That was an emotional outburst, huh? I had no idea I cared that much. It appears a lot of people agree with it though. So much for "changing the name" of the sport! First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #13 January 27, 2003 Hmm. Am I a CReWdog or CFdog?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faulknerwn 36 #14 January 27, 2003 Yeah. I don't think I've heard a single CRWdog refer to our discipline as CF. But maybe I haven't talked to CFdogs.. Course everyone talks about doing FS - I think they're going to do freestyle! I'd vote for CRW and RW any day. W Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keskeie 0 #15 January 28, 2003 Quote And the CRW dogs look at all of us and say "low pullers!" Actually, I've done 6 CRW jumps at Perris now (and have been called a CRW pup, a CRWton, and a CRW slut) and they actually yell at everyone else, "F*** the freefallers!" We were never feeling bored because we were never being boring. -Zelda Fitzgerald Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
relyon 0 #16 January 28, 2003 I'm a CRWdog. CF is way too touchy feely for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #17 January 28, 2003 Quote Quote And the CRW dogs look at all of us and say "low pullers!" Actually, I've done 6 CRW jumps at Perris now (and have been called a CRW pup, a CRWton, and a CRW slut) and they actually yell at everyone else, "F*** the freefallers!" heard that a few times from the back of the otter at Eloy too ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #18 January 28, 2003 I've only hear RW called Rel work or Rel and canopy rel as Crew or Canopy Rel You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #19 January 28, 2003 Yes well, if the change was done sometime in the early 90's, I wouldn't expect that the messenger has arrived Down Under yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #20 January 29, 2003 Rude bastard You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dkpbxman 0 #22 January 30, 2003 That's all right, when head down first started, I remember hearing one old timer saying "What's the big deal? When I first started we used to do that too, only we called it "unstable". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #23 January 30, 2003 When I started all I use to hear was "PASS THE BA-TON, MAN! PASS THE BATON!!!"If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #24 January 30, 2003 CF is lame... CRW rocks! CReW just sounds Cool.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #25 February 1, 2003 Well according to CNBC those amazing CRW dogs in Polynesia were doing "Formation Skydiving" other than than is was a really cool segment..nice 5 stack with a downplane on the bottom ? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
