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Maybe it's because they think they know it all, or the giver of the advice doesn't know enough, but anyway you slice it, you have put yourself into that catagory.
I'm sorry you feel that way, but as I stated earlier, I do not know everything, in fact I hardly anything for that matter. I ALWAYS listen to what people have to say when they give advice, EXCEPT when they come up and say in a cocky manner that this is the way it should be done cuz that's the way they do it when they haven't even done it that much. That's all I'm saying. I'm not throwing in people's faces that I know more than they do, cuz I sure as hell don't.
I'm just saying that someone with 5000 tandems, or 5000 freeflys, or 5000 base jumps should not be giving out advice on 4 way if they have 50 4ways.
Is that a fair description of what I'm trying to get across?
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Just my 2 cents:
It appears to me that this entire thread got out of hand. I read the original post, with repsonses and I think some people took it the wrong way (no pun intended). Maybe it's the lack of skill that I have, but I don't understand how everyone can get so pissed off about this. The way i read the original thread was like this: Some tandem instructor who maybe has 1000s of tandem jumps and very little experience in other displines (more power to the TMs, someone has to do it), went up to someone with 1000s of jumps in another disipline and started to tell them what they SHOULD be doing. Maybe it was just a conversation? maybe it was more? maybe it was a 3rd party story? but it can definitly be put to use in other disiplines not just tandem instructors. It would be like me (which i barely have any jumps anyway) going up to someone with 50 RW jumps and telling them what they should be doing on their dives. It makes no sense. Yes, last year my RW coach who has 1000s of jumps, asked me advice on some FF techniques. She was very experienced in RW, but not FF (of course i'm not either, but i was learning quite quickly).
It's very apparent that Wrongway has appologized for any context that could have been taken the wrong way, and if people's egos are too big to accept that, well i didn't think skydivers were like that. It's very apparent from all the messages posted that the original post was misintended, and wrongway meant no harm by it. My 2 cents.
blue skies,
It appears to me that this entire thread got out of hand. I read the original post, with repsonses and I think some people took it the wrong way (no pun intended). Maybe it's the lack of skill that I have, but I don't understand how everyone can get so pissed off about this. The way i read the original thread was like this: Some tandem instructor who maybe has 1000s of tandem jumps and very little experience in other displines (more power to the TMs, someone has to do it), went up to someone with 1000s of jumps in another disipline and started to tell them what they SHOULD be doing. Maybe it was just a conversation? maybe it was more? maybe it was a 3rd party story? but it can definitly be put to use in other disiplines not just tandem instructors. It would be like me (which i barely have any jumps anyway) going up to someone with 50 RW jumps and telling them what they should be doing on their dives. It makes no sense. Yes, last year my RW coach who has 1000s of jumps, asked me advice on some FF techniques. She was very experienced in RW, but not FF (of course i'm not either, but i was learning quite quickly).
It's very apparent that Wrongway has appologized for any context that could have been taken the wrong way, and if people's egos are too big to accept that, well i didn't think skydivers were like that. It's very apparent from all the messages posted that the original post was misintended, and wrongway meant no harm by it. My 2 cents.
blue skies,
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You mean I do not become a better skydiver by posting? Damn I want of this forum then!
I read the original post, and some of the responses, gave up due to the lenght, so if I'm repeating anything, sorry...
First off, anyone who has survived even 100 tandems deserves your respect and the time it takes to listen to them. I've done 6 tandems, all with expereinced jumpers, and it sucks. I've filmed thousands, and have seen what passengers will do. You don't know what those guys are up against, and trust me, you don't want to.
There's two ways to be a skygod. One is to spout off with info to everyone about everything (sort of like what you are complaining about). The other is the guy who won't listen to advice. Maybe it's because they think they know it all, or the giver of the advice doesn't know enough, but anyway you slice it, you have put yourself into that catagory.
Wise up and understand that you will never know it all. It doesn't matter where advice is coming from, listen to it, consider it carefully, and act accordingly. By the time Olav showed up, there were jumpers with thousands of jumps, and decades in the sport, but the fact is that the newbie had some good ideas (which you have based all your jumps on thusfar).
Furthermore, by the time a TM has 3000 jumps, he's not concerned with impressing anyone with his knowledge. If he takes the time to say something, it's because he has something to contribute, and you need to listen to that.
Drop the attitude, open up your mind, and see what happens. If a TM has something to say, worst case scenario is that you spend two minutes to listen to the guy, and maybe you make a friend. If it's a newbie with an idea, you may learn something, or you may discover an incorrect line of thought that could lead to an incident, which you could correct.
Either way, shut your mouth, open your ears, learn more than the next guy, and be a better person because of it.
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