samhussey 0 #26 February 12, 2004 Maybe you should just demo it when you think you'd like to jump it, and make a decision then. Thats always been a constant thing in all the advice given to me. Don't buy it until you've tried it. PS, I'm a newbie, so ignore me if you want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pullhigh 0 #27 February 12, 2004 That's like buying a Ferrari and saying you won't drive it for a few years.... Put the money in a CD or something, save it, put it somewhere you can't spend it. But the time you're ready to jump something so fast, there may be something better on the market. At a minimal, they will have made changes to the Katana. Every object that comes out new and improved is always going to be improved on again. I have not jumped a Katana, and I'm sure it's a great canopy, but it will change, and it will be made to be better, buy one when you're ready. Ganja Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pullhigh 0 #28 February 12, 2004 Yes, I have been accused of being harsh and dierect before. I typically say it like it is. I do seem to have to eat alot of shoes for some reason...lol I think anyone who knows me will attest to my being TOO honest about things sometimes. Ganja "Sometimes the truth hurts" Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IgorVasilyev 0 #29 February 12, 2004 Sure. Demo. All the way to Russia. I'd love to, the PD doesn't. Do you think I could convince them to start an international demo program? I could give them a hand! :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
velo90 0 #30 February 12, 2004 If you have never jumped a Katana and you don't intend to jump one for quite some time why buy one now? By the time you have the experience to jump a wing load of 1.6 to 1 you might also have enough experience to choose a different canopy. I am not saying there is anything wrong with the Katana, it's just that you may decide another canopy is your dream canopy. If it's prestige ( I have the 1st Katana in Russia) it seems an awful lot of money to pay for something that stays in a display cabinet for a few years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IgorVasilyev 0 #31 February 12, 2004 It's more of a love thing. Call me obsessed? :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pendragon 1 #32 February 12, 2004 QuoteI am. Not. Going. To jump. It. Until Dima (my instructor) tells me I can. So you're going to stuff it away in a drawer somewhere for the next 2 years?? The fact that you're asking and making these points just demonstrates that you're not even in the right mindset, let alone have the technical competency to fly something like that. That might sound a little harsh, but it's how you're coming over. Care to prove that wrong? Enthusiasm is great, but don't get carried away! -- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #33 February 12, 2004 So, you are not going to jump it for a while? Then like Scott said - wait! They will make changes to the canopy and also release it in larger sizes....and you will have more jumps then! Also, it is not wise to change canopy types, canopy sizes or WL when you are not current, or if it doesn't look like you will not be current for a while. IT will take you a while just to dial your canopy back in, let alone something you have never jumped before. Everything is working against you on this, and for some reason, no one seems to think this is a good idea. Wonder why? Think._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
velo90 0 #34 February 12, 2004 QuoteIt's more of a love thing. Call me obsessed? :) if you insist. You're obsessed Even if I believe you will wait until you have the experience to jump your Katana, I still think it silly to buy a canopy where you need hundreds or more jumps before you can jump it. Maybe you are just stinkin rich and money does not matter that much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #35 February 12, 2004 or maybe where he lives, once you have the money its better to spend it... nevertheless it is a too long term investment in my opinion.---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #36 February 12, 2004 QuoteI am. Not. Going. To jump. It. Until Dima (my instructor) tells me I can. Right....And I never pull low. If you don't plan on jumping it....Why buy it? You plan on waiting 400 more jumps to jump it? You ahve been jumping one year and have 100 jumps....So in 400 more jumps and 4 years you will then pull it out of the bag? Makes no sense to me...By the time you are ready to jump that canopy....It will be an old design. QuoteBut why for the hell of it I can't just possess it, I can not reason. Besides, I think it'll be the first, or one of the very few, Katana in Russia Agin why own it if it will: A. Kill you. B. Be outdated before you can safley jump it... Im done here. I STILL think you are trolling. You will not listen, so feel free to do as you want...But you so fit into the risk profile. I hope you don't die....But I'd bet you will."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joyner 0 #37 February 12, 2004 A 1.6 wingloading IS NOT a conservative loading by any standards!! I've jumped a Stiletto 135 @ 1.35 from jump 400-600 and then a Vengeance 107 from 600-650. Now I just got my Katana 107 at 1.77 WL. I'm telling you that a A-license graduate does not have ANY business at all jumping a Katana at 1.6. I consider my own wingloading 1.77 at 650 jumps to be to the aggressive side. The Katana is not an elliptical starter canopy at 1.6 wingloading. I am glad I put my time in on a larger Stiletto, and then a Vengeance 107 before starting on the Katana. From what I've heard the Katana is a step up in performance from both of them!! (Haven't had the chance to try it yet!) If the Katana is your first elliptical, they recommend a LIGHT wingloading. A 1.6 loading is not light, nor conservative as you say. Furthermore I think that if you can't jump a lot or regularly, he should have a really docile and larger canopy. Flying an elliptical at 1.6 loading, requires that you stay current in your skills. Or it will bite!!! An interesting piece of information might be, that in Sweden you aren't allowed to jump at higher than 1.4 with less than 500 jumps. Do you think there is a reason for those rules? I can tell you there are reasons, and all of them are writen in blood. My advice to you would be to stay on the rental for a few hundred jumps!! Edited to change from 3:rd to 1:st person after reading the whole thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #38 February 12, 2004 all in all, 1.4 and 1.6 is not sooo different... only 0.2 difference ---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #39 February 12, 2004 If you seriously plan to just sit on it for quite a while, well, that's just poor investing! I'd recommend to try selling it for more than you paid the second it arrives. Put the money in a bank. Don't touch it. When you're ready to jump a canopy like that, go buy a katana2. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #40 February 12, 2004 please forgive me, because this kinda crap brings out the worst in me, but..... you are being a damn fool! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #41 February 12, 2004 russia and bank are 2 words which might not be very compatible...---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #42 February 12, 2004 Dude, you weigh the same as me, have 4,000 fewer jumps than me and want to buy a canopy faster and twitchier that the canopy that currently scares me. What are you thinking dude? For comparison, last autumn I started jumping a Stiletto 135. I only have dozen or so jumps on my Stiletto and it still scares me. I will need at least a year and 200 more jumps before contemplating anything much smaller than my Stiletto 135 and at least a hundred jumps on a Stiletto 120 before trying a Katana 120. Before anyone starts flaming me about my canopy choices, remember that my jump total includes 2,700 tandem jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joyner 0 #43 February 12, 2004 Quoteall in all, 1.4 and 1.6 is not sooo different... only 0.2 difference I get your irony! BUT! I thought he was at a 1.1 loading, not that it matters. If he is going from 1.1 or 1.4 is beside the point. I think even a 1.4 is TOO high! At that low level of experience both going down in size and up in performance level in one stroke is a bad idea mildly put. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #44 February 12, 2004 it's not me... i'm jumping a saphire2 139 loaded at approx 1.2. Would love a higher wingloading and a faster canopy. BUT... I want to do all this for a long time. Already had a close call. Don't want a second one.---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #45 February 12, 2004 QuoteAt that low level of experience both going down in size and up in performance level in one stroke is a bad idea mildly put. and such a difference in wingloading and performance... oh yeah, he has a jump or 2 on a Xfire2 169. That's an intermediate step ---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
velo90 0 #46 February 12, 2004 Me thinks his instructor said "Sure, buy the Katana and I will let you know when you can jump it. Do you mind if I borrow it in the meantime? No, great stuff!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #47 February 12, 2004 QuoteIt's more of a love thing. Call me obsessed? :) Still think this is a Troll. But if not; I think when you can start being current enough to do 300+ jumps a year you may consider downsizing to eventually get to that W/L. At about 300+ jumps I was near that W/L on a Crossfire but I was in the 300+ jumps a year mode and was still over my head. I was lucky enough to never find myself in a bad situation where I very easily could have been broken up bad. This is a VERY bad decision and you will not let it sit there until you ARE ready! If you are bound and determined to go elliptical get something in a size that you can learn on soon, not a few years down the road. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #48 February 12, 2004 Sounds like an accident waiting to happen. Listen to the experienced people on this forum, they've seen stuff like this before. Hell they're probably still waiting for me to crater and I didn't jump an elliptical canopy until jump #401. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Designer 0 #49 February 12, 2004 Without knowing the facts about this guy I will say this.His first 2 jumps should be alone and pulling high(5,000 or higher).Simple test pilot cks of front and back 360 risor turns and the alti lost.Serious on heading into the wind turns.Stall ck,brake 360 turns and stop above 2,500.Can play if spot is good down to 1,000 ft.Begin final landing pattern set up and "No" mistakes.(hook turns,radical toggle turns at or below 100ft.) You most land directly into the wind and have a safe landing before you can go jump this neat new toy again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #50 February 12, 2004 maybe the best advice. If he got it he'll jump it. So you're doing the best thing possible, trying to bring him alive back on earth.---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
