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Maybe, the absolute cut-away for this configuration is due to the chance that the pilot chute might start to spin and if it’s caught in a line, especially a brake line it would start to wind up the that line and start a turn that would get worse with time.
I had this happen once in Lodi a long time ago, the bag sliped past the stopper and went to the pilot chute (on opening), it fell in front and through the lines, started to twist and take the brakes lines with it. Allmost immediately I had to counter with opposite toggle to keep the Conquest 150 (Sabre like) flying straight. I would have cut it away, but with my round reserve and on the wrong side of the highway I decide that it was better to try to land the main than take a chance with landing a round in the grape stakes. Long story short, by the time I landed, the pilot chute had wraped up enough line and now canopy to create a very good turn, if I wasn’t keeping it straight with opposite toggle. It was a intersesting flight.
So if someone at the DZ had a similar situation they might have decide that a student wouldn’t be able to see this problem high enough, and either get hurt when they couldn’t fly it straight, or when they cut away low.
Just a thought.
Sean
I had this happen once in Lodi a long time ago, the bag sliped past the stopper and went to the pilot chute (on opening), it fell in front and through the lines, started to twist and take the brakes lines with it. Allmost immediately I had to counter with opposite toggle to keep the Conquest 150 (Sabre like) flying straight. I would have cut it away, but with my round reserve and on the wrong side of the highway I decide that it was better to try to land the main than take a chance with landing a round in the grape stakes. Long story short, by the time I landed, the pilot chute had wraped up enough line and now canopy to create a very good turn, if I wasn’t keeping it straight with opposite toggle. It was a intersesting flight.
So if someone at the DZ had a similar situation they might have decide that a student wouldn’t be able to see this problem high enough, and either get hurt when they couldn’t fly it straight, or when they cut away low.
Just a thought.
Sean
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thelem 0
Who told you that you should have chopped it? If it was just someone on the dropzone then don't listen to them - listen to your instructors. If it was an instructor, then I'm surprised. I'd ask them why, so you can make an educated decision if something similar (but not identical) happens again.
My instructors told me that if it has just fallen over the top of the canopy at the front in the middle, then it shouldn't cause a problem. When it happened to me it was still just as controlable and flareable so I landed it.
They said that if it had falled over the front, but to one of the sides of the canopy, that could cause it to start to turn. If its turning, that makes it harder to control and flare so I'd probably get off it.
My instructors told me that if it has just fallen over the top of the canopy at the front in the middle, then it shouldn't cause a problem. When it happened to me it was still just as controlable and flareable so I landed it.
They said that if it had falled over the front, but to one of the sides of the canopy, that could cause it to start to turn. If its turning, that makes it harder to control and flare so I'd probably get off it.
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It was my first stand up landing, and I was so excited, but all I got was an earfull from my boyfriend about the pilot chute. Apparently he doesnt like stress.
As you've seen by now, pretty much everyone is surprised that you were told to chop it.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing that it was your boyfriend that told you to chop it, not the instructional staff.
Is this the case?
If so, what is his experience level and what ratings does he hold?
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damion75 0
(just a general thought - couldnt be bothered to go back to the top to reply!)
I would be bearing in mind while doing controlability checks on that situation that going to the reserve leaves you with NO OTHER OPTIONS... surely if you think you can land the main, it is better to go with that.
That said, almost every situation is different.
I would be bearing in mind while doing controlability checks on that situation that going to the reserve leaves you with NO OTHER OPTIONS... surely if you think you can land the main, it is better to go with that.
That said, almost every situation is different.
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I checked it as soon as it opened, I'm pretty sure the pilot chute was not caught then (surely I would have noticed it!), it must have happened later. It flew fine.
it almost had to have happened during opening. only other way a big heavy spring like that can go over the nose is either on opening, or if you stall it.
make sure when you check your canopy after opening, to really take a good look at everything.
other then that, if it flew fine, then you did the right thing by landing it.
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nael 0
QuoteForgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing that it was your boyfriend that told you to chop it, not the instructional staff.
Is this the case?
If so, what is his experience level and what ratings does he hold?
It wasnt him that first told me I should have chopped it, but the guy who told me I should have does have instructor ratings, but isnt one of my instructors. My boyfriend also has instructor ratings but also isnt one of my instructors (but none of my instructors seemed to see it) and my boyfriend said that with my experience level and the way the pilot chute was hanging it would have been a good idea to chop.
After all the responses here, I asked them to elaborate more on why I should have chopped but everyone here says if it flew fine I was ok to land it. I was told the pilot chute was wrapped around 2 of the A lines in the centre. My boyfriend then told me that since I am walking, I did fine, but next time it happens he wants to know that I've seen it (and believe me, I have learnt that I need to look up many times while under canopy!). I will ask the other guy who told me I should have chopped to explain why in more detail next weekend.
Thanks for the responses. Oh, and I didnt put this in the incidents forum because I assumed it was something that happens fairly often, and since it didnt cause a problem it wasnt really an incident.
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At the end of the day, YOU were the one flying the canopy - it's 100% your decision to chop or not. I'm assuming the canopy you were flying wasn't affected too much by the PC, (ie in too much of a turn) otherwise you would have noticed at some stage in your canopy flight and looked up to see what was causing the problem. So you would have had a canopy that was;
~Large
~Pretty much (if not totally) rectangular
~Controlable
As far as I remember from being a student, that means you keep what you have. After all, why get rid of a canopy you can land under?
Just my 2cents. :)
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~Large
~Pretty much (if not totally) rectangular
~Controlable
As far as I remember from being a student, that means you keep what you have. After all, why get rid of a canopy you can land under?
Just my 2cents. :)
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Depends on where it got stuck. Once I saw one entangled with the steering lines. Flew fine untill it collapsed on landing as the jumper flared the canopy.
The jumper busted his ankle (didn't break it though...)
If you can steer it and flare it, stick with it. If it happens to low (or you find out to low) ditto.
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