fundgh 0 #1 June 17, 2004 Not considerign the seatbelt limitation....What is the capacity of an otter? (preferably in jumpers)...FUN FOR ALL! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeffD 0 #2 June 17, 2004 I believe its about 22-23 if someone sits in the co-pilot seat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larsrulz 0 #3 June 17, 2004 The maximum usable load for an Otter is 4400 lb. Given a light fuel load (w/ reserve) of 1000 lb (max is 2500), a 150 lb. pilot, that leaves 3250 lb of jumps. At 160 lb. per jumper (w/ gear), which is light imo, that gives 20 jumps, which is a common number for DZs, but I have heard of 23 jumper otters before. This also doesn't take into account weights and balances, I would imagine as you stuff more and more jumpers into an otter the CG would work more and more aft, so that is problematic. I got a strong urge to fly, but I got no where to fly to. -PF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #4 June 17, 2004 ***QuoteThe maximum usable load for an Otter is 4400 lb. Given a light fuel load (w/ reserve) of 1000 lb (max is 2500), a 150 lb. pilot, that leaves 3250 lb of jumps. At 160 lb. per jumper (w/ gear), which is light imo, that gives 20 jumps, which is a common number for DZs, but I have heard of 23 jumper otters before. This also doesn't take into account weights and balances, I would imagine as you stuff more and more jumpers into an otter the CG would work more and more aft, so that is problematic. Our Otter can haul 23 to altitude..... quickly....out of a dirt/grass strip.....on a hot day....quickly..... Buck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #5 June 17, 2004 In a -100 or -200 Otter your max gross takeoff weight is 11,579 pounds. An empty, stripped down Otter's empty weight is about 6,000 pounds. You must look at YOUR specific otter to find what it will actually hold. If you have a -300 "Super Otter" then your max gross takeoff weight is 12,500 pounds. Your empty weight for that aircraft will probably be more than 6,000 pounds.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #6 June 17, 2004 Quote At 160 lb. per jumper (w/ gear) Hahahahahahaah! shaahahahahahahahahah hahaha HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!1 cant....breathe....... hAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! sorry. Havent weighed that little in 30 years when I was 10.__ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larsrulz 0 #7 June 17, 2004 It was a 22-way female headdown with camera! That could be some kind of record... I got a strong urge to fly, but I got no where to fly to. -PF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #8 June 17, 2004 QuoteQuote At 160 lb. per jumper (w/ gear) Havent weighed that little in 30 years when I was 10. He must have been referring to Europeans. If you are calculating for fat Americans, you would probably need to use an average of 220 lb. per jumper."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koz2000 1 #9 June 17, 2004 It not that we're fat it's just that all the europeans smoked when they were kids and it stundted their growth. ______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #10 June 17, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote At 160 lb. per jumper (w/ gear) Havent weighed that little in 30 years when I was 10. He must have been referring to Europeans. If you are calculating for fat Americans, you would probably need to use an average of 220 lb. per jumper. Hey, I'm 220 OtD and I'm not particularly fat. I just have big canopies. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #11 June 17, 2004 QuoteHey, I'm 220 OtD and I'm not particularly fat. I just have big canopies. I'm 225 OtD but I'm 6'2". Most of my co-workers couldn't do a tandem at my DZ even if they wanted to because they are over 210 lbs. WITHOUT gear. I predict in a few years used RWS Sigmas will be in big demand as SOLO rigs, and the Sigma II will be available with canopies ranging from 500 to 650 sf."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fundgh 0 #12 June 17, 2004 So an otter (maybe a super otter) with 25-26 "average" skydivers would be loaded a little heavy?...FUN FOR ALL! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #13 June 17, 2004 QuoteI predict in a few years used RWS Sigmas will be in big demand as SOLO student rigs One change and I think you're right. Except the Sigma doesn't convert to a standard rig well. Old Vector 2 tandems are perfect for this.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekendwonder 0 #14 June 18, 2004 nope. with the trend toward extreme downsizing of canopies, all that will happen is the 250+ crowd will be jumping 125s and smaller. blues, bob p Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #15 June 18, 2004 QuoteSo an otter (maybe a super otter) with 25-26 "average" skydivers would be loaded a little heavy? The super otter has the higher weight limit, but it's still the same size right? Pretty crowded at 22 in the main section. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #16 June 18, 2004 You can put more in if you make them stand up at the front of the cabin like we had to do in old Beech 18's. Seat belts were not used and it was a really uncomfortable spot unless you were quite short.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #17 June 18, 2004 If there are more jumpers than seat belts,the un-belted jumper(s) become projectiles in the event of a sudden stop (crash). It has happened before. We do not need to re-learn that lesson. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #18 June 19, 2004 I have used actual weights when in doubt flying a 182. Does anybody do that? I am hauling some big guys,and when it's hot I'm refueling after each load.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #19 June 19, 2004 QuoteI have used actual weights when in doubt flying a 182. Does anybody do that? I am hauling some big guys,and when it's hot I'm refueling after each load. I've done it...but you shoulda seen them bitchin... I once took the Cessna to SD San Marcos for a boogie. Wouldn't ya know it, I was stuck flying the 4-way comp RW team called....you guessed it....."The Whales"...... I was scared to figure the W/B....!!. Buck P.S. Rick, just got back from flying a few ILS/GPS approaches into Galveston in an S-76.... (ok, it was an extended engine rinse, but fun, fun..!!.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #20 June 19, 2004 Old man Sikorsky sure makes a nice aircraft. Flies like a dream doesn't it.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #21 June 19, 2004 QuoteOld man Sikorsky sure makes a nice aircraft. Flies like a dream doesn't it. Ya'll got your S-76's back up and flying? I read the report.... And yes, yes, yes.... it is a smooth ride..! I still have that fixed-wing mentality though... final approach just seems soooo slow, crawling along just above ETL..... Buck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #22 June 19, 2004 QuoteQuote At 160 lb. per jumper (w/ gear) Hahahahahahaah! shaahahahahahahahahah hahaha HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!1 cant....breathe....... hAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! sorry. Havent weighed that little in 30 years when I was 10. Even little ol' me is 185# out the door! (yeah, I wear lead...) ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
