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Where, exactly, did you think I said anything of the sort. What I said was that Olav Zipser and his small cadre of followers at Pahokee, FL have no business claiming they "invented" anything. I could care less that they are not "american". Hell, they did all of their self promotion and "discovery" right here in the USA. Olav, Stefania and the rest of their posse are fantastic skydivers, but just because they put out some video and dedicated themselves to one discipline does not make them originators by any means. there were many, many people flying on the vertical axis before Olav decided to "patent" the term freefly.
Coversely, there are incredibly few people on the planet who have more wingsuit jumps than I do, yet I make no outlandish claims that I am a pioneer of any sort. I am just a guy that has been having fun jumping for nearly 24 years, getting good at whatever feels good to me. I give credit when credit is due, but will not hesitate to call a spade a spade if I hear someone spouting nonsense.
Chuck
Coversely, there are incredibly few people on the planet who have more wingsuit jumps than I do, yet I make no outlandish claims that I am a pioneer of any sort. I am just a guy that has been having fun jumping for nearly 24 years, getting good at whatever feels good to me. I give credit when credit is due, but will not hesitate to call a spade a spade if I hear someone spouting nonsense.
Chuck
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Dudes i was not talking about inventing, but only reminding what was meant for something....and in specific I was refering to Flocking.
At least what we meant when talking about Flock not about what other meant or who invented what. I might have my personal opinion that it is all a natural evolution but that is my personal opinion and as most likely wrong.
Though I just wanted to mention Flocking because it is true that it changed its meaning in the long term, but hei its ok, no biggies
Flock was meant being able to fly toegether and moving like a flock of birds and a school of fish. that is all i was trying to tell you with this forum...We are still far I guess from being able to do that, we are learning toegther and progressing. And together we are evolving this sport.
Freefly in the meaning, as taken out was learning to fly in everyposition, orientation, direction and rotation as possibile. become pilot of our body in the air in control ion all possible way.
That does not mean that I personally invented Freefly and neither that i know how to fly in any way. i wish but unlukly...
In the end it really doeant matter, who invent what. We are all eveovling and progressing in the flying tecniques and marco and Gi are doing great stuff in the air!
Keep on going, and everyone else.
I think inventing is a big word, especially say to have invented diagonal and angle flying its a bog thing to say, though if you like to use it beacuse you think its right, well I guess go ahead...i
Just wanted to say what Flock standed for when I frist heard about it as a descrition of a type of flight...to what now transofrmed as a definition to 0 to 35 degree...That's it. And whanted to explain what freefly standed for at least from my interpretation from when i heard about it and what i elarned about it...!
I personally dont care to have to prove this or that and if people interpreted Freefly in a different way...then what i interpreted...its allright
I dont have to prove nothing to nobody...I am not a good freeflyer
But I guess forums are for bad wetaher days. lets go and have fun no matter what you like to do or what ever...
I apologize and will say no more bull shit!
And I aoplogize to marco and Gi which were mentioned here even though I was talking about flocking and freefly definition...not about Atmonauti...
i refered at begining on how it looks to me they described Freefly as vertical flying, and i had to say that at least in what i learned about Freefly, whose definition i did not make....Freefly is not only about vertical flying...and definteviely has to do a lot with diagonal flying.
Marco and Gi are super good flyers
W Freeflyers, Amonauts, Trackers, vertical flyers, diagonal flying, belly flying, back flying and any type of flying, even precision and style and canopy formation and....
see ya later alligatotors
At least what we meant when talking about Flock not about what other meant or who invented what. I might have my personal opinion that it is all a natural evolution but that is my personal opinion and as most likely wrong.
Though I just wanted to mention Flocking because it is true that it changed its meaning in the long term, but hei its ok, no biggies
Flock was meant being able to fly toegether and moving like a flock of birds and a school of fish. that is all i was trying to tell you with this forum...We are still far I guess from being able to do that, we are learning toegther and progressing. And together we are evolving this sport.
Freefly in the meaning, as taken out was learning to fly in everyposition, orientation, direction and rotation as possibile. become pilot of our body in the air in control ion all possible way.
That does not mean that I personally invented Freefly and neither that i know how to fly in any way. i wish but unlukly...
In the end it really doeant matter, who invent what. We are all eveovling and progressing in the flying tecniques and marco and Gi are doing great stuff in the air!
Keep on going, and everyone else.
I think inventing is a big word, especially say to have invented diagonal and angle flying its a bog thing to say, though if you like to use it beacuse you think its right, well I guess go ahead...i
Just wanted to say what Flock standed for when I frist heard about it as a descrition of a type of flight...to what now transofrmed as a definition to 0 to 35 degree...That's it. And whanted to explain what freefly standed for at least from my interpretation from when i heard about it and what i elarned about it...!
I personally dont care to have to prove this or that and if people interpreted Freefly in a different way...then what i interpreted...its allright
I dont have to prove nothing to nobody...I am not a good freeflyer
But I guess forums are for bad wetaher days. lets go and have fun no matter what you like to do or what ever...
I apologize and will say no more bull shit!
And I aoplogize to marco and Gi which were mentioned here even though I was talking about flocking and freefly definition...not about Atmonauti...
i refered at begining on how it looks to me they described Freefly as vertical flying, and i had to say that at least in what i learned about Freefly, whose definition i did not make....Freefly is not only about vertical flying...and definteviely has to do a lot with diagonal flying.
Marco and Gi are super good flyers
W Freeflyers, Amonauts, Trackers, vertical flyers, diagonal flying, belly flying, back flying and any type of flying, even precision and style and canopy formation and....
see ya later alligatotors
with all due respect: but your comment sounds like, "if it wasn't done in America or invented by an American", it's not real. (Well, the whole threat is about this.)
If you insist confining your experience only to the US and Americans, you live in a pretty small world.
Once again, respectfully, but it had to be said.
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