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[dzjohn 0]

Has anybody any knowledge of a clipper 190 canopy and a reserve called saftey flyer

[PhreeZone 15]

Those are some OLD canopies. The Safety Flyer was the first ram-air reserve introduced in 1978. It was made by Para-flite. Its heavy, it only uses 450lb lines and I think it mightr even be a 5 cell.

The Clipper is made by Glide Path which later became Flight Concepts. They still make similar canopies.

Both styles are older canopies that are made out of low poristity materials. If you are looking at a first rig.. I'd keep on looking.

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[dzjohn 0]

Thanks phreezone.
Hadn't heard anything about them.
There in a good container though Javlin.
Thanks for the advise

[PhreeZone 15]

Depending on the DOM of the Jav it might need some major service bulletins done if they are not already done. Just an FYI since they can cost a lot of $$$ to do.

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[darkwing 4]

Yes, the Safety Flyer was the very first ram air reserve. It is 5 cells, and enjoyed a good reputation for reliability, but not for performance. I'm not sure when they quit making them, but it was a long time ago, maybe about 1980 or slightly later.

-- Jeff
My Skydiving History

[cbennettjr 0]

Wow! Vintage gear! I purchased a rig with a Clipper and a Flyer just off student status. I canned the Flyer but put some 30+ jumps on the Clipper.
The openings were...brisk. Actually, I learned a bunch of packing tricks because the openings were so quick.
You can always use the Flyer as a car cover or give it to someone that knows how to sew to make a tube.

Makes me want to start shopping again. Yeah right.

chuck

[NickDG 23]

I doubt you'd find a rigger willing to pack a Safety Flyer for you. Walk away . . .

I jumped a Clipper for a week or so until it collapsed on me. The nose folded under and the canopy started violently throwing me around. This was something I'd never seen any other ram air canopy do. I was going to check the trim later, but after a few beers that night I throw it into the DZ campfire. Run away . . .

BTW, this was right before the same folks introduced their newest canopy, the Nova, a canopy that put a friend and former student into a wheelchair for life. The head of the company was sued so many times he had to leave the firm. He later formed another company and came up with another POS, the Dolphin harness & container system.

There's an early thread on the Clipper
here.

Look around and you'll find more, lots more . . .

After the Nova problems I noticed something about the logo they were using to advertise their canopies. It was a good demonstration someone at the firm didn't understand basic flight concepts. Lift is always perpendicular to the line of flight and not as they depict it. It's hilarious the company that morphed out of this fiasco is still using it . . .

NickD BASE 194

[mark 107]

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After the Nova problems I noticed something about the logo they were using to advertise their canopies. It was a good demonstration someone at the firm didn't understand basic flight concepts. Lift is always perpendicular to the line of flight and not as they depict it. It's hilarious the company that morphed out of this fiasco is still using it .

Might want to rethink that. For example, http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/Wright/airplane/dlrat.html. It's a glider, not an airplane, and similar diagrams are found in most elementary references for aspiring glider pilots.

Even if it were an airplane, a diagram of the four forces acting on an airplane in flight is just a convenient simplification of what is actually going on. For example, the actual lift vector is not perpendicular to the line of flight. It slants aft; the difference between the actual vector and the vertical one usually depicted is induced drag.

Mark

[hookitt 0]

I liked your post better when it mentioned the Dolphin

My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto

[NickDG 23]

When I attended Northrop Aeronautical University I debated more than a few professors on the principals of flight and it was amazing how many of them had different ideas. Some called what Bernoulli' stated a theory and others called it a principal. One instructor used the example that a flat piece of plywood picked up off the ground and sent flying thru the air by a high wind disproved Bernoulli altogether.

But lift being perpendicular to the relative wind (or line of flight) is one thing most of them agreed on. And it's something that's always made sense to me.

But who knows, you could be right, and they can keep the logo . . .

NickD BASE 194

[mark 107]

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But lift being perpendicular to the relative wind (or line of flight) is one thing most of them agreed on. And it's something that's always made sense to me.

Except http://142.26.194.131/aerodynamics1/Drag/Page6.html

Mark

[skylee_pinoy 0]

SAFETY FLYER... reserve... some friends here in our country jumped it as main... landing is hard but forgiving... twas also jumped with a first timers as S/L... did also great. i wonder there are many of it there... anyone wanted to give it away???

[gjhdiver 0]

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Has anybody any knowledge of a clipper 190 canopy and a reserve called saftey flyer

Yes. You can find good examples of both in the Smithsonian Museum.

[mark 107]

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SAFETY FLYER... reserve... some friends here in our country jumped it as main.

Strato-Flyer was the main canopy version. The Safety-Flyer reserve had no provision for pilot chute attachment.

Mark

[julesshrew 0]

I recently put 5 jumps on a clipper 190 but the age of the canopy has meant it has lost its ability to flare (so ive been told) although Ive not felt a hard landing out of it other jumpers have said my last landing on it looked like it should have been painful (it felt like the softest of the 5)

Based on their comments I was going to go back on the student kit rather than jump it again but ive managed to borrow a nice sabre 150 until i can get my own rig together