RkyMtnHigh 0 #1 December 6, 2005 What combination of disciplines do you do? and why? Is it the difference in canopies/rigs you would need to do both and the hassle of changing back/forth unless you had multiple rigs...? How much focus on a discipline do you feel it takes to be proficient or do you feel as though one can "dabble" in multiple disciplines and still be proficient? ...just another curiousity thread _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #2 December 6, 2005 RW & Style & Accuracy. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shall555 0 #3 December 6, 2005 You don't have an entry for "flail until pull time" shall Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 0 #4 December 6, 2005 At the moment, it's really only RW, and it'll be that way until mid-January, when the Nationals will be over. Then it's open season baby Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RkyMtnHigh 0 #5 December 6, 2005 Quote You don't have an entry for "flail until pull time" shall ROTFLMAO! I soooo needed that *snort* laugh That's about what I felt like on my first wingsuit flight this past weekend but at pulltime was still "oh shit!" _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #6 December 6, 2005 I have two rigs, one primarily for RW and recreational CRW, and the other sized for my CRW-specific Lightning 143... However I do use the latter rig as a back-up RW rig with a different canopy in it."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 135 #7 December 6, 2005 I do a bit of most... Mostly RW and Tandem videos, then FF, Wingsuit, beginning in RW. No "classic" accuracy, and no style, unfortunately no CReW yet, but will be touching this discipline a bit. In order to be proficient in many disciplines, you must focus for some time in each, till you get good skills. That's why I'm crap everywhere If you see people like Loic, he was in the French RW team (8way I think), but also an very good freeflyer, wingsuiter, videoman for freestyle, can do CReW, BASE etc... But we are not all like that... Just gave his example, there are more people who are very versatile and at kick-ass level in several disciplines...scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Beverly 1 #8 December 6, 2005 I mainly do RW. Play with freefly Attempt to wingsuit and try not kill myself with canopy piloting. I have 2 rigs and 3 helmets and 3 alti's (Neptune, Altimaster and Protrack. Many jumpsuits, freefly pants and a wingsuit. I think true friendship is under-rated Twitter: @Dreamskygirlsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites selbbub78 0 #9 December 6, 2005 Where is the CRW and FF choice?????? I need that one CReW Skies,"Women fake orgasms - men fake whole relationships" – Sharon Stone "The world is my dropzone" (wise crewdog quote) "The light dims, until full darkness pierces into the world."-KDM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #10 December 6, 2005 Similar to Beverly... -I mainly do RW. That's my true love. -Playing with freefly periodically but I suck badly. -Will attempt wingsuit at the next opportunity from SkymonkeyOne. -Getting better at accuracy to the point of seriously starting my run for the prized Pro Rating as soon as I can. -Getting much better at canopy piloting to the point of seriously thinking about downsizing.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FFlyer 0 #11 December 6, 2005 I only freefly. And enjoy the occasional tracking dive (does that count as a discipline). Ive just been fascinated by freeflying since the first time I saw a flyboys dvd. There's just soooo much to learn and it takes a long time to get good. I may give RW a serious try some time in the future, but up untill this point it just hasn't interested me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,254 #12 December 6, 2005 I group skydiving I've focused on RW till now, though I've done a lot of tracking and some solo FF. After this weekend I'll be into wingsuits (which I think I'll do a lot ofDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #13 December 6, 2005 RW (4-way, coaching, big ways), FF (sit, HD, tracking, learning back), hybrid, CrW. I like to swoop but really need some training. Wingsuit - looks like fun. Takes 'gear fear' to a whole new level. Not yet, too busy with 4-way. Real excited about the FF 4-way comp format coming out. I'm not much for the 'artistic' side of FF, but the comp format could suck me into the discipline further - it would make it worth learning to get a lot better. I'd like to see it incorporate more than just head up and down, also back and belly combinations (both in a hybrid and flat block and randoms) - truly become the all around skydiver discipline........ ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 259 #14 December 6, 2005 Do as in on a regular basis? Or do as in have done in the past and wouldn't be opposed to doing again if I had the right equipment? Have done often in the past year - RW, freeflying and tracking dives. Have done in the past and would do again if I had the gear - wingsuits and CRW. Have done in the past and would do again if I had the gear and a stronger neck - camera. Have no interest in doing myself but enjoy watching - classic S&A, freestyle, skysurfing, swooping. QuoteHow much focus on a discipline do you feel it takes to be proficient or do you feel as though one can "dabble" in multiple disciplines and still be proficient? Depends on how you define proficient. Less than 1/3 of my jumps this year have been RW. I'm not good enough at the moment to be on a 100 way, but I can fly my slot on smaller stuff (15 way or less). To get back to the point where I'd feel safe on something really big would take 100-200 RW jumps over 6 months or so. To have fun doing RW, freeflying, CRW, etc., doesn't require that you do only that one thing. To get really good at any one I think it needs to be the primary type of jumping you do. Of course all this applies only to mere mortals. Those with thousands of jumps who are already really good at one thing can go do something else for awhile and still be really good at that one thing when they come back to it. People like that are irritating. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #15 December 6, 2005 Quote...Have no interest in doing myself but enjoy watching... I'm sorry bytch...I did read your entire post but something just keeps nagging at me here....My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LittleOne 0 #16 December 6, 2005 RW and Freefly, at the moment (actually, no skydiving at all currently). At my experience level, that is all I am comfortable with. In the next year or two, I would like to add Wingsuit and Skysurfing. I have a short attention span. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites superstu 0 #17 December 6, 2005 you don't have high performance canopy piloting or swooping, and that's all i do. that and tandems Slip Stream Air Sports Do not go softly, do not go quietly, never back down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riddler 0 #18 December 7, 2005 For the last few years, almost all of my skydiving and practice (tunnel time, coaching, etc) has been geared toward getting my AFF rating. So I really only do RW. Maybe in 20 years, they'll have an introductory instructional rating that uses freeflying, and we'll do sit-fly exits with new students. But for now, it seems to be about bellyflying for AFFIs, so for the freefall part, I focus on that. For the canopy part, I just try to get down safely. Usually on the way down, I'll play with most or all of my control inputs - risers, toggles, harness, and think about traffic, what it would be like to cutaway at 1,000 feet, and if I should think about doing an intentional downwind for practice on the next jump. Freefall - RW Canopy - survival I think you can dabble in multiple things and still be somewhat proficient, but if your goals are high (instructor, competition, world-record), most people probably only have the time to focus on one thing. The nice thing about this sport is that if you're totally bored and frustrated, you can just start over with a new discipline.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Peej 0 #19 December 8, 2005 Freefly, wing suit and i'm learning to swoop and film tandems. I only have one rig at the moment so i tend to spend a day focusing on one thing. 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RkyMtnHigh 0 #5 December 6, 2005 Quote You don't have an entry for "flail until pull time" shall ROTFLMAO! I soooo needed that *snort* laugh That's about what I felt like on my first wingsuit flight this past weekend but at pulltime was still "oh shit!" _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #6 December 6, 2005 I have two rigs, one primarily for RW and recreational CRW, and the other sized for my CRW-specific Lightning 143... However I do use the latter rig as a back-up RW rig with a different canopy in it."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #7 December 6, 2005 I do a bit of most... Mostly RW and Tandem videos, then FF, Wingsuit, beginning in RW. No "classic" accuracy, and no style, unfortunately no CReW yet, but will be touching this discipline a bit. In order to be proficient in many disciplines, you must focus for some time in each, till you get good skills. That's why I'm crap everywhere If you see people like Loic, he was in the French RW team (8way I think), but also an very good freeflyer, wingsuiter, videoman for freestyle, can do CReW, BASE etc... But we are not all like that... Just gave his example, there are more people who are very versatile and at kick-ass level in several disciplines...scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beverly 1 #8 December 6, 2005 I mainly do RW. Play with freefly Attempt to wingsuit and try not kill myself with canopy piloting. I have 2 rigs and 3 helmets and 3 alti's (Neptune, Altimaster and Protrack. Many jumpsuits, freefly pants and a wingsuit. I think true friendship is under-rated Twitter: @Dreamskygirlsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
selbbub78 0 #9 December 6, 2005 Where is the CRW and FF choice?????? I need that one CReW Skies,"Women fake orgasms - men fake whole relationships" – Sharon Stone "The world is my dropzone" (wise crewdog quote) "The light dims, until full darkness pierces into the world."-KDM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #10 December 6, 2005 Similar to Beverly... -I mainly do RW. That's my true love. -Playing with freefly periodically but I suck badly. -Will attempt wingsuit at the next opportunity from SkymonkeyOne. -Getting better at accuracy to the point of seriously starting my run for the prized Pro Rating as soon as I can. -Getting much better at canopy piloting to the point of seriously thinking about downsizing.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FFlyer 0 #11 December 6, 2005 I only freefly. And enjoy the occasional tracking dive (does that count as a discipline). Ive just been fascinated by freeflying since the first time I saw a flyboys dvd. There's just soooo much to learn and it takes a long time to get good. I may give RW a serious try some time in the future, but up untill this point it just hasn't interested me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #12 December 6, 2005 I group skydiving I've focused on RW till now, though I've done a lot of tracking and some solo FF. After this weekend I'll be into wingsuits (which I think I'll do a lot ofDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #13 December 6, 2005 RW (4-way, coaching, big ways), FF (sit, HD, tracking, learning back), hybrid, CrW. I like to swoop but really need some training. Wingsuit - looks like fun. Takes 'gear fear' to a whole new level. Not yet, too busy with 4-way. Real excited about the FF 4-way comp format coming out. I'm not much for the 'artistic' side of FF, but the comp format could suck me into the discipline further - it would make it worth learning to get a lot better. I'd like to see it incorporate more than just head up and down, also back and belly combinations (both in a hybrid and flat block and randoms) - truly become the all around skydiver discipline........ ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #14 December 6, 2005 Do as in on a regular basis? Or do as in have done in the past and wouldn't be opposed to doing again if I had the right equipment? Have done often in the past year - RW, freeflying and tracking dives. Have done in the past and would do again if I had the gear - wingsuits and CRW. Have done in the past and would do again if I had the gear and a stronger neck - camera. Have no interest in doing myself but enjoy watching - classic S&A, freestyle, skysurfing, swooping. QuoteHow much focus on a discipline do you feel it takes to be proficient or do you feel as though one can "dabble" in multiple disciplines and still be proficient? Depends on how you define proficient. Less than 1/3 of my jumps this year have been RW. I'm not good enough at the moment to be on a 100 way, but I can fly my slot on smaller stuff (15 way or less). To get back to the point where I'd feel safe on something really big would take 100-200 RW jumps over 6 months or so. To have fun doing RW, freeflying, CRW, etc., doesn't require that you do only that one thing. To get really good at any one I think it needs to be the primary type of jumping you do. Of course all this applies only to mere mortals. Those with thousands of jumps who are already really good at one thing can go do something else for awhile and still be really good at that one thing when they come back to it. People like that are irritating. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #15 December 6, 2005 Quote...Have no interest in doing myself but enjoy watching... I'm sorry bytch...I did read your entire post but something just keeps nagging at me here....My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LittleOne 0 #16 December 6, 2005 RW and Freefly, at the moment (actually, no skydiving at all currently). At my experience level, that is all I am comfortable with. In the next year or two, I would like to add Wingsuit and Skysurfing. I have a short attention span. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstu 0 #17 December 6, 2005 you don't have high performance canopy piloting or swooping, and that's all i do. that and tandems Slip Stream Air Sports Do not go softly, do not go quietly, never back down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #18 December 7, 2005 For the last few years, almost all of my skydiving and practice (tunnel time, coaching, etc) has been geared toward getting my AFF rating. So I really only do RW. Maybe in 20 years, they'll have an introductory instructional rating that uses freeflying, and we'll do sit-fly exits with new students. But for now, it seems to be about bellyflying for AFFIs, so for the freefall part, I focus on that. For the canopy part, I just try to get down safely. Usually on the way down, I'll play with most or all of my control inputs - risers, toggles, harness, and think about traffic, what it would be like to cutaway at 1,000 feet, and if I should think about doing an intentional downwind for practice on the next jump. Freefall - RW Canopy - survival I think you can dabble in multiple things and still be somewhat proficient, but if your goals are high (instructor, competition, world-record), most people probably only have the time to focus on one thing. The nice thing about this sport is that if you're totally bored and frustrated, you can just start over with a new discipline.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peej 0 #19 December 8, 2005 Freefly, wing suit and i'm learning to swoop and film tandems. I only have one rig at the moment so i tend to spend a day focusing on one thing. Advertisio Rodriguez / Sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites