Have you ever cut away for an unstowed toggle?

[cbain 0]

Just curious.

[davelepka 4]

Forget the poll.

LOTS of people have cut away from an un-stowed toggle.

[Ashtanga 0]

This pole won't work because people who never had a unstowed toggle will vote no. It should be only vote if you have an unstowed toggle.

[ladyskydiver 0]

Had an unstowed toggle. Didn't cut away. Unstowed the other one and viola! Working canopy.

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[idlewild70 0]

not from an unstowed toggle, but i did cutaway on jump 23 where i was holding a toggle with no line steering line attached.

-Fish


Blue skies, Soft landings

[flyngsquirrl 0]

Had a toggle come unstowed on opening, line twists ensued, tried to unstow the other one but the lines were too twisted, started spinning on my back... all the while thinking "I never thought I'd have a spinning mal on this ragged-out FCI Pro 170"

I kicked out of it though and didn't have to cut away, still shook me up a little bit though.

[Jackpunx 0]

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not from an unstowed toggle, but i did cutaway on jump 23 where i was holding a toggle with no line steering line attached.

OOOOoo that must have sucked... Well done..

[Jeth 0]

A friend of mine had a cutaway with 30-ish jumps from an unstowed toggle. Yes, it's something that she potentially could've fixed. But she felt she needed to get rid of it. That's what we were taught. And I don't think anyone came down on her for it.

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[rapter 0]

We did have a Gal cut-away a good main when she thought her dive loops were her toggles and her canopy was on backwards.

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[Falko 0]

Voted no, but I never had a break fire anyway. Parachutes-de-France Toggles
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[Andy9o8 2]

No; I've had 1 brake fire & didn't cut away; but in all fairness I did have over 300 jumps by then. I don't blame any new student (including Shayna) from cutting away a spinning brake fire. I had my share of fuck-ups as a student.

[jumpergirl 0]

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not from an unstowed toggle, but i did cutaway on jump 23 where i was holding a toggle with no line steering line attached.

Same for me on #396.

[ZigZagMarquis 9]

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We did have a Gal cut-away a good main when she thought her dive loops were her toggles and her canopy was on backwards.

... twice!!

[skycat 0]

Same here except it was a Samurai 120.

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[ChasingBlueSky 0]

Had a friend that couldn't release one toggle. She fought with it for too long, pulled too hard and collapsed one side of her canopy. It took her nearly 2 years to fully recover from her massive injuries.

Just like anything else in this sport. Evaluate it quickly based upon your training and act now....and don't be afraid to act because someone may tease you about a chop for what may be an "easy" malfunction. Slow malfunctions and issues you don't practice for on each jump can often be the most deadly.

I know a few people that have chopped due to a misfire on a toggle during deployement. I tend to shake their hands afterwards and pat them on the back for a job well done. If it is a low number jumper then I recommend they talk the mal over with one of the instructors to learn from it.

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[ZigZagMarquis 9]

... anyway... I've had one or both toggles come unstowed on opening on more then one occasion. I've never cut away simply because one or both toggles came unstowed, but could see if things went really bad after that... like the canopy spun up because of one unstowed toggle, that it could lead me or someone else to cut away and go for their reserve.

[idlewild70 0]

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not from an unstowed toggle, but i did cutaway on jump 23 where i was holding a toggle with no line steering line attached.

Same for me on #396.

Then the DZO told me I should have landed on rear risers, on an unfamiliar canopy at a new DZ with 23 jumps.

-Fish


Blue skies, Soft landings

[kelel01 1]

Had a few brake fires, but only one spinning one. Was able to fix it, though.

I think there's a HUGE difference between a brake fire on a Sabre 170 and one on a Velocity (or something equally small), though.

[ZigZagMarquis 9]

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Had a few brake fires, but only one spinning one. Was able to fix it, though.

I think there's a HUGE difference between a brake fire on a Sabre 170 and one on a Velocity (or something equally small), though.

Brake Fire???? Might want to have an auto mechanic take a look at that...

[kelel01 1]

Premature brake fire? Same thing, right? That's what I call them. An unstowed toggle is just a toggle that's no longer stowed. So far, I have those on every jump - 2 of them, usually at the same time.

[JerryBaumchen 1,333]

I voted but my incident was not a 'true' unstowed toggle. Many years ago, jumping a F 1-11 type fabric 7-cell I had the right side toggle and guide/steering ring go bye-bye on a hard opening. The 1" T-4 webbing that held the ring to the harness had actually been cut in two by the ring and everything was floating out behind me.

Luckily, not a HP canopy so I just unstowed the left side and steered/flaired with risers; but a damn short stroke to stall that feller.

[jumpergirl 0]

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not from an unstowed toggle, but i did cutaway on jump 23 where i was holding a toggle with no line steering line attached.

Same for me on #396.

Then the DZO told me I should have landed on rear risers, on an unfamiliar canopy at a new DZ with 23 jumps.

Not the DZO, but SEVERAL people asked me why I didn't just land on rear risers. Well, hmm, only my 2nd jump at that dz, different winds than the day before when I made the 1st jump there, only about 10 jumps (maybe) on that particular canopy... NOPE. Not time to try something new.

[packerboy 3]

Well that's better than flying it to the ground and then flaring with the front risers... I've seen a broken back happen because of this.

Consequently, we have sewn shut all the dive loops on all student and rental gear.

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[Dumpster 0]

I've had a brake come unstowed several times, canopy started spiraling right on deployment. I was quick to identify the problem and popped the other brake, back to normal flight. This was on a Spectre 150 loaded around 1:3 to 1.

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[diablopilot 2]

Jumpers should get away from the trend of deciding malfunctions are cut and dry situations that can be evaluated before hand. That's how we train students. Skydivers are what you become when you're no longer a student.

Who's chopped line twists? Who hasn't?

Would I chop an unstowed toggle? Yes, IF it produced an unlandable situation.

Evaluate and use options. Or in other words "keep pulling handles till your goggles fill up with blood."

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