Ruffles 0 #1 June 23, 2004 My buddy and I are going to book some coached tunnel time at Perris soon. We each have just shy of 100 jumps and we're into the RW thing. I am dubious of the answers I get regarding "how much time is adequate to book", when asking people that profit from such things, so I figured I put it out to you guys. For two low-timers, whats a good amount of time for our first attempt at tunnel training? I'd like to take some noticeably improved skills back to my DZ, but I have to pay for my internet porn subscriptions and my mortgage as well... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedToJump 0 #2 June 23, 2004 What's more important than the actual amount of time you fly is how it's broken up. For your first time in there I'd recommend flying 20 minutes out of an hour so you'd have 2 minutes in, 4 minutes out. It gives you time to rest, debrief and brief inbetween each session. If you want to fly more than that I'd recommend leaving at least an hour or two inbetween and then do the same - 20 minutes out of an hour. This will leave you time to rest, debrief the video and brief up the next session. The tunnel is an incredible learning tool and tons of fun. However much you do you'll want more Have fun in there Wind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ruffles 0 #3 June 23, 2004 OK, so the are talking in terms of 15 minute blocks, but that isn't 15 consecutive minutes necessarily? You really get that beat after 2 minutes in there, huh? It doesn't look that energy-consuming, but I'll take your word for it. I was thinking a 30 minute block for each of us; too much, too little? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyyhi 0 #4 June 23, 2004 The way it works is you go in for your entire 15-20 minute block with other jumpers. You rotate out every 2 minutes but you do your complete block in that hour. After the hour you debrief with your coach. . .I think that any amount of time you can spend in there is profitable but at least a 15 minute block for your first go is probably going to give you more insight and skill than a 10 minute block. And yes, the first 2 minutes won't wear you out but you would be surprised how you feel after 15 to 20 minutes in the tunnel. . .________________________________________ Take risks not to escape life… but to prevent life from escaping. ~ A bumper sticker at the DZ FGF #6 Darcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanillaSkyGirl 6 #5 June 23, 2004 QuoteThe way it works is you go in for your entire 15-20 minute block with other jumpers. You rotate out every 2 minutes but you do your complete block in that hour. After the hour you debrief with your coach. Actually, that was your experience, Darcy, and this is the best way to have the time broken up in the tunnel for a newbie, imo. However, he is buying time himself, not through a camp/coach set-up like you did. Ruffles ~ Be should be sure to specify how you want your time to be split when you buy it. They usually sell/split blocks by the hour, but your tunnel time may be split differently. For example, the time may only be split with one other person (your friend) for 1/2 hour. This would make a big difference in your fatigue/time spent in there. I agree completely with NeedtoJump and the way that he suggests that you split your time. For a newbie to the tunnel, the more time between 2 minute (or whatever) sessions in the tunnel, the better. Try to make sure that there are a couple more people in there splitting an hour with you and your friend, so you can rest and go over drills in between sessions. Also, it is quite a learning experience to see someone who flies very well in there. Hopefully, there will be someone else in there also getting coaching, hopefully more advanced than you, whom you can watch and learn from. Also, everyone is different...so for some people, 10 minutes will leave you sore, and for others, it will take much, much more. This will probably be dependent on how much you jump regularly. Be sure to bring a video tape or buy one and give it to the controller to tape your entire session. They do this for free. This is an invaluable tool...have fun!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites didone 0 #6 June 23, 2004 QuoteI was thinking a 30 minute block for each of us; too much, too little? I have 85 jumps and I wanted to improve my RW basic skills. I went to Perris and I did one hour (4 blocks of 15 minutes each, two blocks per day in a weekend), all of them with a coach from the PPP team. Here is in a nutshell my experience: - the tunnel rocks! All in all a great experience: for me it was a quantum leap. - the coach was great. IMO well worth the money. Strongly recommended. - 30 min in one day is ok. 60 min in two days is also ok, but don't underestimate the fatigue: keep a couple of hours separation between each 15 min block, or you'll dearch and start flying like a crap - should I go back again (well, I think I will soon), I would bring with me a full face helmet. 'hope this helps Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cybervagrant 0 #7 June 25, 2004 I have over an hour in the tunnel in Orlando. What I like to do best is a twenty minute block. I go in with some other people and get ten 2 minute sessions. Debriefing is important. Plan what you want to do, tape it, then review it. If you get 30 minutes each, thats sixty together. Do three blocks of 20 minutes with other people. That's my two cents, cheers, Cyber Whoops, is my ignorance showing again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ruffles 0 #8 June 26, 2004 Yeah, that sounds good. I think we're gonna stick with our 1 hr/30 mins each plan ($400 a piece) and go from there. I understand that some people have referred to tunnel training as the "crack house" as it's rather addictive. Fortunately I don't live too far from Perris; sounds like I may be making more than one trip up there. I have a coach cming with us from my DZ (a little cheaper). Thanks for the advice gang.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites arlo 0 #9 June 29, 2004 Quote I understand that some people have referred to tunnel training as the "crack house" as it's rather addictive. no, no, no. you've got it all wrong. the TUNNEL is the crack house. the flying....well, now. THAT is the crack. if you guys are going 1/2 hr each, at least split it into (2) 1/2-hour blocks of time. you'll take turns in there and get 15 minutes each. just do that twice with (as ari said) at least an hour in between bookings. ex. 1pm-1:30pm...........you and your buddy. 1:30pm -2pm..........crack heads 2pm-2:30pm..........other crack heads 2:30-3pm...............you and your buddy again. 3pm-3:30pm...........you and your buddy are now selling your first born and/or selling platelets to get more time. you also ask if the tunnel is hiring. you will be charged the 1/2 hour rates, so don't expect to go in and pay for 60 minutes worth of time and be able to divide that up, because you can't. but flying an hour to save a few bucks will be pushing it for wasting some money. i think you get far more by having time to take a quick break and debrief each flight as you do it. also, not sure if perris does this as well (i'm guessing they do), but you're not limited to the 2-minute rotations, although i would advise you to do so. :) you can do 2.5 minutes if you want...which is probably what you and your friend will get to even out the rotations. 6 rotations each. you could kick your friends ass and take the rest of his time, too. your call.... enjoy the tunnel and be nice to the instructors out there. going in with the "i'm a skydiver. i know what i'm doing" attitude sucks. i wish i had a dollar for every person that came in and said that to me. "i skydive. i don't need the class." uh huh. those are the ones that you laugh at when you get to see them fly. go figure. let the instructors help you. they are skydivers too and that's what they do....AND they're nice folks to boot. hell, buy 'em all a beer for helping you. pay it forward... enjoy, arlo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rmsmith 1 #10 June 29, 2004 Some tunnel tips: --Bring *your* jumpsuit, helmet, & gloves --Bring a warm snug fitting sweatshirt --Bring some foam ear plugs --Bring a blank VHS video tape --Bring some bottled water --Buy time sharing with others Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #11 June 29, 2004 10 or 15 minutes is more then enough for your first session. Be ready you willbe very tired unless you are in really good shape. I disagree that you need 20 minutes out of an hour for your first session. That is to much for most people and in the end if you are real tired it will be wasting money. Most people that do 10 minutes their 1st time are surpsired at how tired they get. Quote I am dubious of the answers I get regarding "how much time is adequate to book", when asking people that profit from such things It doens't matter to the coaches if you buy 10 or 60 minutes out of an hour. They get paid the same for either. The PPP coaches are some of the best in the world at what they do. Don't distrust them. They are not money hungry fools. In fact most of them give up all kinds of free coahing all the time. Dan B.C. will not let them screw people over (they wouldn't anyway). Beleive it or not they actually just want to see people get better and see our sport progress. Of course they need to feed the family and what not, but none of them are the type to lie to ya just to make more money,Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ruffles 0 #12 June 29, 2004 I wasn't referring to the coaches, I was talking about the people at the front desk that I talked to on the phone. I totally trust the coaches. More good tips, thanks, but does the helmet have to be full-face or will a bonehead do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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didone 0 #6 June 23, 2004 QuoteI was thinking a 30 minute block for each of us; too much, too little? I have 85 jumps and I wanted to improve my RW basic skills. I went to Perris and I did one hour (4 blocks of 15 minutes each, two blocks per day in a weekend), all of them with a coach from the PPP team. Here is in a nutshell my experience: - the tunnel rocks! All in all a great experience: for me it was a quantum leap. - the coach was great. IMO well worth the money. Strongly recommended. - 30 min in one day is ok. 60 min in two days is also ok, but don't underestimate the fatigue: keep a couple of hours separation between each 15 min block, or you'll dearch and start flying like a crap - should I go back again (well, I think I will soon), I would bring with me a full face helmet. 'hope this helps Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cybervagrant 0 #7 June 25, 2004 I have over an hour in the tunnel in Orlando. What I like to do best is a twenty minute block. I go in with some other people and get ten 2 minute sessions. Debriefing is important. Plan what you want to do, tape it, then review it. If you get 30 minutes each, thats sixty together. Do three blocks of 20 minutes with other people. That's my two cents, cheers, Cyber Whoops, is my ignorance showing again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ruffles 0 #8 June 26, 2004 Yeah, that sounds good. I think we're gonna stick with our 1 hr/30 mins each plan ($400 a piece) and go from there. I understand that some people have referred to tunnel training as the "crack house" as it's rather addictive. Fortunately I don't live too far from Perris; sounds like I may be making more than one trip up there. I have a coach cming with us from my DZ (a little cheaper). Thanks for the advice gang.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arlo 0 #9 June 29, 2004 Quote I understand that some people have referred to tunnel training as the "crack house" as it's rather addictive. no, no, no. you've got it all wrong. the TUNNEL is the crack house. the flying....well, now. THAT is the crack. if you guys are going 1/2 hr each, at least split it into (2) 1/2-hour blocks of time. you'll take turns in there and get 15 minutes each. just do that twice with (as ari said) at least an hour in between bookings. ex. 1pm-1:30pm...........you and your buddy. 1:30pm -2pm..........crack heads 2pm-2:30pm..........other crack heads 2:30-3pm...............you and your buddy again. 3pm-3:30pm...........you and your buddy are now selling your first born and/or selling platelets to get more time. you also ask if the tunnel is hiring. you will be charged the 1/2 hour rates, so don't expect to go in and pay for 60 minutes worth of time and be able to divide that up, because you can't. but flying an hour to save a few bucks will be pushing it for wasting some money. i think you get far more by having time to take a quick break and debrief each flight as you do it. also, not sure if perris does this as well (i'm guessing they do), but you're not limited to the 2-minute rotations, although i would advise you to do so. :) you can do 2.5 minutes if you want...which is probably what you and your friend will get to even out the rotations. 6 rotations each. you could kick your friends ass and take the rest of his time, too. your call.... enjoy the tunnel and be nice to the instructors out there. going in with the "i'm a skydiver. i know what i'm doing" attitude sucks. i wish i had a dollar for every person that came in and said that to me. "i skydive. i don't need the class." uh huh. those are the ones that you laugh at when you get to see them fly. go figure. let the instructors help you. they are skydivers too and that's what they do....AND they're nice folks to boot. hell, buy 'em all a beer for helping you. pay it forward... enjoy, arlo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #10 June 29, 2004 Some tunnel tips: --Bring *your* jumpsuit, helmet, & gloves --Bring a warm snug fitting sweatshirt --Bring some foam ear plugs --Bring a blank VHS video tape --Bring some bottled water --Buy time sharing with others Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #11 June 29, 2004 10 or 15 minutes is more then enough for your first session. Be ready you willbe very tired unless you are in really good shape. I disagree that you need 20 minutes out of an hour for your first session. That is to much for most people and in the end if you are real tired it will be wasting money. Most people that do 10 minutes their 1st time are surpsired at how tired they get. Quote I am dubious of the answers I get regarding "how much time is adequate to book", when asking people that profit from such things It doens't matter to the coaches if you buy 10 or 60 minutes out of an hour. They get paid the same for either. The PPP coaches are some of the best in the world at what they do. Don't distrust them. They are not money hungry fools. In fact most of them give up all kinds of free coahing all the time. Dan B.C. will not let them screw people over (they wouldn't anyway). Beleive it or not they actually just want to see people get better and see our sport progress. Of course they need to feed the family and what not, but none of them are the type to lie to ya just to make more money,Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ruffles 0 #12 June 29, 2004 I wasn't referring to the coaches, I was talking about the people at the front desk that I talked to on the phone. I totally trust the coaches. More good tips, thanks, but does the helmet have to be full-face or will a bonehead do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
