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ManBird 0
This is what I got out of it, as well. You probably won't be able to stall that student canopy, but this is a bad habit for your next main. At least for awhile. The other problem, of course, is the extra speed after releasing the brakes. You don't need it yet, and if you do this too low, you just might wreck yourself.QuoteWhat was buried in skyhigh's description of trying to kill himself was what the experienced jumper was probably worried about ... stalling the canopy.
When you're a student, the more experienced jumper that yells at you is right. Swallow your pride, not your femur.
Edit:
Skyhighkiy, what's your age and real name? We need to know these for the fatality database. Unless you're just trolling, you're a "Hard landing while making a low turn" entry waiting to happen.
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Wrong Nick. But I know which Nick you are talking about...
"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."
Wrong Nick. But I know which Nick you are talking about...
"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."
pash 0
What is "trolling" by the way?
Dropping into forums posting completely ridiculous shit in the effort to start huge fights or just generally behave like a complete numb nuts...
There are HIGHLY QUALIFIED skydivers on this forum that will give you the information you need to stay alive in this sport while having a good time (within reason).
As low time jumpers, it behooves us to listen and ask questions, however, giving any advice is not wise, nor useful in most cases... It can be downright dangerous in many cases.
Though we all do it from time to time, some of us are just craters waiting to happen, it'd be a damn shame if we have the same influence on an upcoming young jumper as well...
For my first four or five months here I ran my mouth a bit, but, new when to close it as well.
Since then, I spend twice the time connected, and ninetynine percent of that READING AND LEARNING.
Just be sure to weed out the idiots and look for the sensible information.
my 2 cents,
YMMV
jjf
it's a gas, gas, gas
There are HIGHLY QUALIFIED skydivers on this forum that will give you the information you need to stay alive in this sport while having a good time (within reason).
As low time jumpers, it behooves us to listen and ask questions, however, giving any advice is not wise, nor useful in most cases... It can be downright dangerous in many cases.
Though we all do it from time to time, some of us are just craters waiting to happen, it'd be a damn shame if we have the same influence on an upcoming young jumper as well...
For my first four or five months here I ran my mouth a bit, but, new when to close it as well.
Since then, I spend twice the time connected, and ninetynine percent of that READING AND LEARNING.
Just be sure to weed out the idiots and look for the sensible information.
my 2 cents,
YMMV
jjf
it's a gas, gas, gas
It's a gas, gas, gas...
pash 0
thanks brother - I'm on board with that
mmmk, so there have been a lot of warnings/angry private replies to my post.
"I'm now getting progressively lower with my 90 degree riser landings and etc. " was worded...maybe so that it was mis-interpreted by you guys. I haven't actually landed comming straight out of a 90. I'm "getting progressively lower" by doing 90 dives closer and closer to the ground, working my way down and getting the feel for how long it takes my canopy to level out and be ready for my landing. you know, getting used to the ground rush and being able to percieve visually, the amount of time I have before impact, hopefully softly.
I put a disclaimer before I started writing that I'm an extremely inexperienced jumper, and to take what I say, or leave it, knowing I have so few jumps.
My riser play is something that I"m doing in part because I can't stand to be stagnant for too long, and in part because the owner of my home DZ advised me to start playing hard w/ my canopy, due to his assessment of my landings.
I am being monitored by the experienced jumpers, the coaches, the tandem masters and the 2 owners of the dz.
However, thank you for the advice...and concern...I guess?
it will all be considered (sp?) but my riser play will continue, who knows, maybe you'll see my name in the database! L8aaaaaa
Blue skies
Nate Furl*** age: 19
BE THE BUDDHA!
"I'm now getting progressively lower with my 90 degree riser landings and etc. " was worded...maybe so that it was mis-interpreted by you guys. I haven't actually landed comming straight out of a 90. I'm "getting progressively lower" by doing 90 dives closer and closer to the ground, working my way down and getting the feel for how long it takes my canopy to level out and be ready for my landing. you know, getting used to the ground rush and being able to percieve visually, the amount of time I have before impact, hopefully softly.
I put a disclaimer before I started writing that I'm an extremely inexperienced jumper, and to take what I say, or leave it, knowing I have so few jumps.
My riser play is something that I"m doing in part because I can't stand to be stagnant for too long, and in part because the owner of my home DZ advised me to start playing hard w/ my canopy, due to his assessment of my landings.
I am being monitored by the experienced jumpers, the coaches, the tandem masters and the 2 owners of the dz.
However, thank you for the advice...and concern...I guess?
it will all be considered (sp?) but my riser play will continue, who knows, maybe you'll see my name in the database! L8aaaaaa
Blue skies
Nate Furl*** age: 19
BE THE BUDDHA!
The reason for the backlash is that those of us that have some experience and have been in the sport for a while have seen many people with your jump numbers (and higher) that have thought they were special. A good number of them are special and they now have special license plates that let them park in special parking spots so they can use their special chair...if you catch my drift. Those are the lucky ones. Some of the special people now have a special little plot of land they own with a special little marker noting their birth and death.
So the moral of the story is, get coaching, be careful and remember that you only have 50 landings or so, you don't know how to react quickly to random things happening yet.
So the moral of the story is, get coaching, be careful and remember that you only have 50 landings or so, you don't know how to react quickly to random things happening yet.
--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."
Yeah, I understand there are quite a few that have gone in, I've heard countless stories from all the experienced jumpers at my home dz and other dz's I've visited
no, I don't think I'm special in any way and do believe that what I'm doing is dangerous, Hell, we're jumping out of planes!
Thank you all for your concern....concern/scoldings, lol.
But reallly...the focal point of my post was on whats his namey's brake approaches
BE THE BUDDHA!
no, I don't think I'm special in any way and do believe that what I'm doing is dangerous, Hell, we're jumping out of planes!
Thank you all for your concern....concern/scoldings, lol.
But reallly...the focal point of my post was on whats his namey's brake approaches
BE THE BUDDHA!
riggerrob 558
Hee!
Hee!
Sounds like the original poster was doing a decent approach for his lightly-loaded student canopy.
Heck!
Manuals for competition accuracy canopies (Para-Foil, Eiff Challenger Classic, etc.) recommend approaching the target in deep brakes, near the dge of the stall.
I have done hundreds of approaches like that with Strato-Clouds, Vikings and Mantas. As long as you stall into in the pea gravel bowl, it is no big deal.
Sounds like the loud critic was trying to jam what little he knew about Stiletto approaches down the throat of the junior jumper.
Granted deep brake approaches are not healthy with heavily-loaded cnaopies, but the original poster was not heavily-loading his student canopy.
Lighten up!
Hee!
Sounds like the original poster was doing a decent approach for his lightly-loaded student canopy.
Heck!
Manuals for competition accuracy canopies (Para-Foil, Eiff Challenger Classic, etc.) recommend approaching the target in deep brakes, near the dge of the stall.
I have done hundreds of approaches like that with Strato-Clouds, Vikings and Mantas. As long as you stall into in the pea gravel bowl, it is no big deal.
Sounds like the loud critic was trying to jam what little he knew about Stiletto approaches down the throat of the junior jumper.
Granted deep brake approaches are not healthy with heavily-loaded cnaopies, but the original poster was not heavily-loading his student canopy.
Lighten up!
*gets light*
*floats away*
BE THE BUDDHA!
*floats away*
BE THE BUDDHA!
QuoteWhat was buried in skyhigh's description of trying to kill himself was what the experienced jumper was probably worried about ... stalling the canopy.
Provided that you apply toggle input at a reasonable rate parachutes do not stall suddenly or unrecoverably, especially lightly loaded square ones.
The forward surge coming out of brakes is where you're more likely to get in trouble.
PhreeZone 15
Head over to Tecumsa MI, they have a large amount of highly qualified swoop coaches over there that can help your landings improve 100x over.
I had 750 jumps when I took my first canopy control course. I was amazed with what I learned. I was also embaressed with just how little I know about my canopy even though I had been doing 180 hooks for some time.
I had 750 jumps when I took my first canopy control course. I was amazed with what I learned. I was also embaressed with just how little I know about my canopy even though I had been doing 180 hooks for some time.
Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery
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And tomorrow is a mystery
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Reginald 0
QuoteIs full breaking at 100-150 ft weighing 150 with a 209 sq ft canopy something I never should have thought of? Could the canopy just collapse all of a sudden?
Any advice is appreciate.. Thanks
Wow, you got some responses, eh? Reading your post I think the issue is that breaking that low is probably unnecessary and does contain quite a bit of risk. If it was not necessary to hitting your landing area I would say it was something that should not have been done. If you just wanted to learn to fly your canopy better you can experiment above 1,000 or 1,500 feet with that sort of thing. Experimenting at 150 feet is not necessarily a good idea. You should be able to plan a landing pattern that in full flight will allow you to hit your target with reasonable accuracy.
"We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things." CP
Frenchy68:
Sorry, dude, but you sound like me...and at 50 jumps...
That outright scares the shit out of me and I'm certain a few other people around here.
Now, I don't want to read this out of context, but "progressively lower w/ my 90 degree riser landings"...well, that just sounds to me like you're lowering your set-up point. Care to guess that that's probably not the way you should be going about it? I'm not going to tell you what is the way to go about it, because frankly, I'm not qualified to do that. I'll just tell you that there are other, more efficient and safe ways to do it.
I can also tell you that if you continue on the path that you're on, you're likely to end up in the corner like I did. You might not be as lucky to make it back to the DZ on crutches that night to fill out your own incident report, talking to friends who are eyeing you in disbelief when you tell them that you didn't break anything.
You know how experience comes from bad judgement? Well, use mine instead of searching for your own.
Now for the advice I will offer, should you choose to continue down this path so early on in your skydiving internship (you haven't begun your 'career', yet):
1.) Get Brian Germain's book: The Parachute and Its Pilot, available at http://www.bigairsportz.com/publishing.php
2.) Get proper, qualified coaching.
2a.) When they say wait a while and won't coach you until 'X' jumps. Listen to them, back off the HPLs for a while and go back when you really are ready.
Learn from others' experience, it's a lot less painful.
-C.
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