WooHoo 0 #1 January 22, 2007 On a long drive, I asked some pals who jump, did they know anyone who regularly junped at a wingloading of over 2.0 This set off a bit of a debate and one of them reckeoned some folk out there are jumping over 3.0 on a regular basis. So as such rambling conversations go, we didn't establish much, no proofs given. Other than the well known, "My mate knows a guys whose friend......." So what is the highest wingloading that a jumper is using out there? For the record, I have no plans to match you, just curious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sockpuppet 0 #2 January 22, 2007 The bloke who did the Stunt Junkies @ Perris with the car was at 2.7 ------ Two of the three voices in my head agree with you. It might actually be unanimous but voice three only speaks Welsh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #3 January 22, 2007 I believe luigi Cani jumped the VX39 at least at 4:1, possibly more.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #4 January 22, 2007 I know of one that used to jump over 4.0+ on a regular basis, but IIRC, only doing hop n pops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fonz 0 #5 January 22, 2007 If I recall correctly, Luigi already jumped the VX-45 at wingloads in excess of 4. Just curious, btw: what would be the largest wingload and/or smallest canopy anybody would want to take to terminal? AlphonsAnd five hundred entirely naked women dropped out of the sky on parachutes. -- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,379 #6 January 22, 2007 >Luigi already jumped the VX-45 at wingloads in excess of 4. And Chris Martin jumped a canopy loaded about 8 to 1 (21 sq ft.) But neither of those loadings is a "normal use" canopy. Around Perris, the upper end seems to be around 2.5 to 1, with a very few people exceeding that during normal skydiving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J_bird 0 #7 January 22, 2007 Yeah jakee, thats right. I'm not exact on the wing loading but is was a 39sf canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #8 January 22, 2007 To add,I think they finally figured out that higher wing loading was not always better Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J_bird 0 #9 January 22, 2007 I believe the article was in the jan issue of either the 04' or 05' parachutist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #10 January 22, 2007 QuoteIf I recall correctly, Luigi already jumped the VX-45 at wingloads in excess of 4. One of the guys out at SDD used to jump a VX55, and I'm sure he was 220+ otd. As far as I know he never took it to terminal, just hop n pops, but he did jump it regularly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #11 January 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteIf I recall correctly, Luigi already jumped the VX-45 at wingloads in excess of 4. One of the guys out at SDD used to jump a VX55, and I'm sure he was 220+ otd. As far as I know he never took it to terminal, just hop n pops, but he did jump it regularly. I seem to remember a guy posting in canopy control who boasted about jumping regularly at 4.0+. He made a big thing about being the first guy to regularly jump that highly loaded. A quick search might bring up those posts.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 January 22, 2007 QuoteI seem to remember a guy posting in canopy control who boasted about jumping regularly at 4.0+. He made a big thing about being the first guy to regularly jump that highly loaded. A quick search might bring up those posts. Yeah, but he's not exactly the best of swoopers or even that good of a canopy pilot. Infact one of the PD factory guys, when he was at his DZ, made the comment "holy shit, is he going to jump again? He is? I've got to watch, he's gonna die." I jump a wingloading of 2.39:1, Hooknswoop used to regularly jump a VX loaded at 3.1:1 (and he did very well on it). There are quite a few others jumping in the 2.5:1 range.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #13 January 22, 2007 QuoteAnd Chris Martin jumped a canopy loaded about 8 to 1 (21 sq ft.) But neither of those loadings is a "normal use" canopy. Did Chris Martin land the canopy?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,042 #14 January 22, 2007 QuoteOne of the guys out at SDD used to jump a VX55, and I'm sure he was 220+ otd. As far as I know he never took it to terminal, just hop n pops, but he did jump it regularly. You are correct. How is B?Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #16 January 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteOne of the guys out at SDD used to jump a VX55, and I'm sure he was 220+ otd. As far as I know he never took it to terminal, just hop n pops, but he did jump it regularly. You are correct. How is B? Last time I saw him he was doing good, although I haven't seen him out at the DZ a whole lot over the past few months. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #17 January 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteAnd Chris Martin jumped a canopy loaded about 8 to 1 (21 sq ft.) But neither of those loadings is a "normal use" canopy. Did Chris Martin land the canopy? That just wasn't the right question to ask. Hey, he's new. Butters, the answer is no."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #18 January 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteThat just wasn't the right question to ask. Hey, he's new. Butters, the answer is no. I ran a search after reading the first reply and then deleted my post. Sorry. "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #19 January 22, 2007 If you get a chance sometime, check out the video of him flying that canopy. It's pretty amazing. I think it's on skydivingmovies.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #20 January 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteI seem to remember a guy posting in canopy control who boasted about jumping regularly at 4.0+. He made a big thing about being the first guy to regularly jump that highly loaded. A quick search might bring up those posts. Yeah, but he's not exactly the best of swoopers or even that good of a canopy pilot. Infact one of the PD factory guys, when he was at his DZ, made the comment "holy shit, is he going to jump again? He is? I've got to watch, he's gonna die." From what I read his ego certainly seemed bullet proof enough Anyway, whether he was competent or not, he was jumping it regularly.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #21 January 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThat just wasn't the right question to ask. Hey, he's new. Butters, the answer is no. I ran a search after reading the first reply and then deleted my post. Sorry. IMO no need to be sorry for asking that question.There are new people here all the time that don't know all the old stories.People die doing this shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eule 0 #22 January 23, 2007 QuoteSo what is the highest wingloading that a jumper is using out there? Anywere from about 12 to up in the 90s somewhere... ...before they get out of the plane. :) OK, it's a totally different game if you get to use aluminum and engines instead of nylon and gravity, but I still think it's interesting to compare aircraft wing loadings with canopy wing loadings: Cessna 182T: 11.3 empty, 17.8 max takeoff PAC 750XL: 24.6 (unspecified condition) DHC-6-300 Twin Otter: 16.6-19.0 empty, 29.8 max takeoff Douglas DC-9-21: 97.9 max takeoff (all figures in lb/ft^2) I don't know what the wing loading of a wingsuit is like, but I'd guess that it's somewhere between most canopies and a 182 - maybe closer to the high end. Say around 8 or so. EulePLF does not stand for Please Land on Face. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #23 January 23, 2007 QuoteI don't know what the wing loading of a wingsuit is like, but I'd guess that it's somewhere between most canopies and a 182 - maybe closer to the high end. Say around 8 or so. Eule I'm not sure what suit you had in mind, but I'd estimate my wingloading wearing an S3 at somewhere around 17:1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #24 January 23, 2007 On a slightly different topic: Who was the first to jump a 3.0+:1 wingloading? My bet's on Charlie Mullins. Beezy Shaw, you got any details on that jump, including the date? I believe it was an Icarus Extreme 58, and he had to beg Precision to build it for him."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #25 January 24, 2007 QuoteTo add,I think they finally figured out that higher wing loading was not always better Maybe Dave can help us out here. There is a point beyond which performance deteriorates and more WL is counterproductive. There was some discussion about this a while back, but I haven't seen anything about it in over a year. Of course there are new canopies and new theories, like wearing weights with a larger canopy to get wingload with some actual wing as well. So at what point does wingloading degrade performance ? Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
