msqueen 0 #1 April 22, 2007 Where can I go to find out how many people have been injuryed or killed skydiving? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
floridadiver81 0 #2 April 22, 2007 I'm going to say this one is a reporter out to seek negativity...or to start it."Age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge, learning, respect, attitude, or personality." -yardhippie "Fight the air, and the air will kick your ass!!! "-Specialkaye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msqueen 0 #3 April 22, 2007 I am not a reporter!! My husband has taken up the sport and is on level 3. He is going back and forth about continuing the sport due to the dangers in it. He says that he has a wife and kids responsibilities. I am just trying to find out information for him. I would be doing it myself but I seizures and I lose consciousness, so I am not going to chance it. I do tandums Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
floridadiver81 0 #4 April 22, 2007 Why doesnt he post here then...if he is that concerned about it?"Age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge, learning, respect, attitude, or personality." -yardhippie "Fight the air, and the air will kick your ass!!! "-Specialkaye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #5 April 22, 2007 The best thing for the two of you is to probably have a sit down heart to heart talk about the risks with each other and his instructors. I don't think it would be fair to claim anything else, I am not experienced enough to attempt to argue that the sport is either dangerous or safe. I don't think the statistics are going to provide what you are looking for either."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 37 #6 April 22, 2007 QuoteWhere can I go to find out how many people have been injuryed or killed skydiving? Injury is hard to measure becuase so much goes unreported. I believe that the fatality rate is about 1 death for every 100,000 skydives. See this link for some recent stats: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2749467#2749467"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feeblemind 1 #7 April 22, 2007 If he is concerned about the dangers he should be the one looking for the answers (I am married and a father, thats what I did). With that said, you jump out of a plane at 13,000 feet you must stop the skydive at some point, if you don't, you die, it's very simple. On the flip side, if you listen to your instructors, take your training seriously, remain current and maintain your gea,r skydiving can be an awesome experience. With that said you can still do everything right and die, thus the reason we are considered an "EXTREME SPORT" Fire Safety Tip: Don't fry bacon while naked Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #8 April 22, 2007 Make no mistake: skydiving is dangerous. People die skydiving every year. Some through no fault of their own. ALL of us who have been at it for any length of time have lost friends to the sport. Keeping a level head, being properly trained, and knowing our limits are what keep us out of trouble in this sport. For the most part anyway. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingDuck 0 #9 April 23, 2007 The USPA keeps fairly good records on all the reported injuries and deaths. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,041 #10 April 23, 2007 Only if they get reported to them; and not all do. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmfenaughty 0 #11 April 23, 2007 OK .. maybe I'm confused here .. HE is on Level 3 and HE is going back and forth about continuing and HE says that he has a wife and kids ... Who is concerned about him continuing in the Sport .. you or HE ? If HE is concerned about his wife and kids then HE should buy Medical Insurance and Life Insurance to protect the finianical security of his wife and kids ... If you are concerned about his wife and kids then you need to sit down and talk this out with HE. Understand that you will never know when this is your last jump or your last car ride or your last swim ... enjoy each day like it will be your last day on earth because it just may be. If you love something let it go free. If it doesn't come back, you never had it. If it comes back, love it forever. Quote by Doug Horton Btw ... two weeks after I started jumping by 26 yr old daughter started AFF training also .. and yea it hard because I know the risks .... but I live what I preach. Just my opinion .... kmfenaughty - Orlando FL99% of the people on this earth are sheep ... dare to be different Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #12 April 23, 2007 Quote My husband has taken up the sport. He is going back and forth about continuing the sport due to the dangers in it. The odds of something bad happening to someone like myself are a lot higher than the odds of something bad happening to your hubby. I'm not saying that something bad can't happen to your hubby since nothing at all is safe about all forms of aviation. It's just that in this sport the more experienced you get the more you're likely to push your limits. Dang I never should have applied for that "D" license. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #13 April 23, 2007 QuoteI am not a reporter!! My husband has taken up the sport and is on level 3. He is going back and forth about continuing the sport due to the dangers in it. He says that he has a wife and kids responsibilities. I am just trying to find out information for him. I would be doing it myself but I seizures and I lose consciousness, so I am not going to chance it. I do tandums While not safe, skydiving can be as dangerous as you make it. Jumping smaller parachutes, making agressive landing approaches, and opening lower are things you can choose to do to make it more dangerous. Not getting formal training in flying parachutes, not using all of the safety equipment (AAD, redundant altimeters, helmet), and not staying current are some of the things you can let happen which makes it more dangerous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
overide 0 #14 April 23, 2007 i drive a car every day hell i walk down the street every day and even if i do everything correctly i can still die from it i feel that we need to drop this extreme sport mind set back in the day yes extreme sport applied the gear was as un reliable as it could be being that 99% was military surplus but now if you follow the rules and keep a sensable mind skydiving is extremely safe now if i hear one person say ime nuts i am refering to statictics you are more likely to die driving than skydiving in fact thte last time i checked 1 in 66 000 car rides ends in fatality bee sting is 1 in 87000 umm let see peanut is 1 in 90000 yea peanut (damn allergy) but ok allergys are a bad example walking down the street 1 in 180 000 thats higher but ok you are just walking ooooo here is one base ball 1 in 67000 wow thats an extreme sport just to think i could die from a freaking base ball statictaly more likely than a skydive now given the sheet i am reading off of is from 2003 but i dont have a newer census record skydiving is on here its 1 in 87000 as for in jurys i sprained my ankel at work last week and broke my leg slipping on ice 2 years ago so yea i figure skydiving is fairly safe its only the last milimeter that is really painfull Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #15 April 23, 2007 Quoteyou are more likely to die driving than skydiving Maybe, but if you drive and skydive your overall risk is increased. Quotebee sting is 1 in 87000 So then if you skydive, your risk of dying from a bee sting stays constant and you add the risk from skydiving, right? Quotewalking down the street 1 in 180 000 So then walking down the street and then skydiving increases your risk. If you're trying to convince anyone that because other things also involve risk, then skydiving does not involve additional risk, your logic is flawed.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,356 #16 April 24, 2007 >you are more likely to die driving than skydiving Any skydiver is far more likely to die skydiving than driving. Comparing an average skydiver who makes 100 jumps a year to an average driver who drives 20K miles a year, you are roughly three times more likely to die skydiving. This is borne out by the fatalities of the people I know who have died over the past few years. Most have been skydivers dying in the sport; none have been traffic accidents. A few have been heart attacks and the like. "It's safer than driving!" can indeed help separate whuffos from their money, but doesn't reflect the reality of the sort of risks we take. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
overide 0 #17 April 24, 2007 fsantastic a skydiver who thinks that instead of participating an a relativ statistacly safe sport he is engaging in a death defying stunt comeon ime not using hte basic its safer than driving but i look at numbers and no a skydiver isnt more likely to die skydiving than he or she is driving otherwise this logic will stat that ALL skydivers who activly skydive untill they die in some way will die skydiving of over a million jups 29 deaths numbers speek louder than drunken wana bee stunt junkies and then if you look at thoes deaths how many were user error in a sensible situation fine i will agree thoes jumping 96 velocitys are more at risk that me who will jump a 190 for the rest of my life but as i did say if you are sensible just like if you are sensible driving you are less likely to die jumping however being that you do jump it adds another meathod of death so fine someone like me who hang glides bune jumps scuba ski drive swim walk, fly an extra 300 and rock climbs is more likely to die from one of thoes than people that only walk but i am more lilkely to die during scuba than sky diving and i am STATISTACLY more likely to die in a car crash again STATISTICS are math not your inana pea sized brain wanting to think you are defying death STATISTICS are facts STATISTICS are like the equation 2+2 = 4 you are saying 2+2=99 i mean are you trying to scare people away do you get an ego boost thinking you are a god and defied death one more time every time you jump because we are a small community because we create this stigma because we know thoes who fall because some skygods like to give themselves false egos people ignor statistics oh and for thoes that jump to the well more people drive than skydive all thoes statistics are based on a percapita census of the number of drives to death not number of people who drive and die it is 1 in 87000 skydives end in death 1 in 66 000 drives ends in death as for can you increase your risk yes but again if you are sensible and consiverative skydiving is statistacly a safe sport pardon the spelling i am typing in a rush on a cellphone it isnt easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #18 April 24, 2007 STATISTICS are math not your inana pea sized brain wanting to think you are defying death 3...2... STATISTICS are facts STATISTICS are like the equation 2+2 = 4 No they're not, they are a form of manupilated propaganda, Most statistics can be shown to favor whatever position you are trying to cheer for. For exaple, how about comparing the number of licensed drivers in the US to the number of fatalities and then the number of active skydivers to the number of skydiving fatalities. THAT statistic will show you skydiving is incredibly more dangerous than driving! i mean are you trying to scare people away do you get an ego boost thinking you are a god and defied death one more time every time you jump I don't think you have any grasp of the person you're belittling here. because we are a small community because we create this stigma because we know thoes who fall because some skygods like to give themselves false egos people ignor statistics We are indeed a small community, but not BECAUSE of the reasons you listed. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #19 April 24, 2007 Quote numbers speek louder than drunken wana bee stunt junkies Sooooo... you've had a few since that last post, huh?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
overide 0 #20 April 24, 2007 i wasnt attempting to be little you as for statistics i did point out when you break it down to the actual number of the particular event and create the statistic that way the number of people participating is irrelivant just beacuse 1 million people are doing a prticular event dosent have any play on an event statistic what you are refering to is a patricipant statistic which would be wordered differently example 1 in 10 skydivers die (not a real statistic since this would be a horribly unreliable example of the dangers of an event) but i am arguing an event statistic just because more people drive than skydive dosent mean that that the 1 in 87000 statistic will diive to 1 in 50000 but tecnicaly it should remain the same if simipar patterns that are currently in play continue now as for ( mean are you trying to scare people away do you get an ego boost thinking you are a god and defied death one more time every time you jump I don't think you have any grasp of the person you're belittling here. ) that statement thankyou for proving my point obviouslly you have a supority complex atleast according to the psycological theory thats where that responce lies i didnt howver mean to belittle you this was a shotgun statement aimed at thoes that want to justify the thought that they defiy god life or whatever they believe in and they are more powerful and more in controll of their life untill they bite the bullet , bounce whatever all i simply stated is aside from the consipracy hippy like statement (No they're not, they are a form of manupilated propaganda, Most statistics can be shown to favor whatever position you are trying to cheer for. For exaple, how about comparing the number of licensed drivers in the US to the number of fatalities and then the number of active skydivers to the number of skydiving fatalities. THAT statistic will show you skydiving is incredibly more dangerous than driving! ) implying the goverment padds crap to get people to kill themselves off or whatever statistacly on an event based formula in other words number of deaths from event / number of events that took place skydiving is safer and as with driving bee sting skiing scuba ect the more you engage in the event the more at risk you are of dying from it if you jump once a week for 300 days you are less likely to die than the one jumping 1000 times a week (exaggeration of jumps but i hope you get my point) as for me befor eyou submit me to an idiot my major in college was abnormal psycology and my minor was statistical analisys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
overide 0 #21 April 24, 2007 yea just a few guinness rocks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #22 April 24, 2007 Quote i wasnt attempting to be little you *** I understand that...your 1st post wasn't even directed at me. (good move editing out the PA by the way! ) And as to the post that is directed at me...>>>"my major in college was abnormal psycology and my minor was statistical analisys" YOU have made my point blatently obvious, thank you. You're dismissed. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
overide 0 #23 April 24, 2007 Quote Quote i wasnt attempting to be little you *** I understand that...your 1st post wasn't even directed at me. (good move editing out the PA by the way! ) And as to the post that is directed at me...YOU have made my point blatently obvious, thank you. You're dismissed. love the dismissed i am debating you are directing typical signs of a egotistical narcissatic control disorder :) not to be mean but just call them as i see them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #24 April 24, 2007 Quote i am debating you are directing typical signs of a egotistical narcissatic control disorder *** Yeah but I don't worry about it, ....I couldn't teach the damn pig to sing either! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #25 April 24, 2007 Quote my major in college was abnormal psychology and my minor was statistical analisys It is too bad that you decided to skip your freshman English classes. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites