Vapor 0 #1 December 12, 2004 Okay. this is dumb and basic, but I cannot for the life of me seem to reach/collapse my slider what with the flapping around. I think it may have to do with my swoop cords restricting arm movement, or maybe I just don't have the dexterity to grab the little tabs. Sounding like a Stearman is getting annoying. Tips? Tricks? ---------------------------------------- 'Of course it hurts. The trick is not *minding* that it hurts.' - T.E. Lawrence Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #2 December 12, 2004 First : maybe try taking the swoop cords off and regain more arm movement. Second : can your slider be pulled down past the links ?? ("big" risers, slink covers) Third : if 1 and 2 are OK and you still can't reach the slider, get arm extensions scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 0 #3 December 12, 2004 Quoteget arm extensions Or shorter risers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sid 1 #4 December 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteget arm extensions Or shorter risers... whoa steady there - get shorter risers, alter canopy trim - better to get longer armsPete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #5 December 13, 2004 Loosen your chest strap. You probably have it too tight and it is inhibiting it from transitioning all the way down.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #6 December 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteget arm extensions Or shorter risers... whoa steady there - get shorter risers, alter canopy trim - better to get longer arms They will change the brake setting for that jumper, but how will they alter canopy trim. With shorter risers the "short" comes off the bottom not the top. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #7 December 13, 2004 Quotehow will they alter canopy trim. With shorter risers the "short" comes off the bottom not the top. my uneducated guess... shorter risers will : -set the CG higher -let the canopy spread less, in length and in span But I don't know if a couple of inches less will have such a great effect. Ask on the canopy control forum what effect changing the riser length can have.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #8 December 13, 2004 QuoteQuotehow will they alter canopy trim. With shorter risers the "short" comes off the bottom not the top. my uneducated guess... shorter risers will : -set the CG higher -let the canopy spread less, in length and in span But I don't know if a couple of inches less will have such a great effect. Ask on the canopy control forum what effect changing the riser length can have. The line length will still be the same and line length is what determines trim. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #9 December 13, 2004 OK for the trim, but the shape of the canopy and the CG will be influenced won't they ?? Most certainly very slightly.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #10 December 13, 2004 QuoteOK for the trim, but the shape of the canopy and the CG will be influenced won't they ?? Most certainly very slightly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, shorter risers will slightly affect line length - by maybe half a percentage point! Hah! Hah! Loosening your chest strap will restore more than that in stability, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #11 December 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteOK for the trim, but the shape of the canopy and the CG will be influenced won't they ?? Most certainly very slightly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, shorter risers will slightly affect line length - by maybe half a percentage point! Hah! Hah! Loosening your chest strap will restore more than that in stability, etc. Rob, If you make the risers 10 inches or 10 feet, the lines will stay the same length. Am I missing something here. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #12 December 13, 2004 When you reach up to the slider are you trying to grab the little tabs straight away? When I first jumped a rig with collapsible slider I had a bit of trouble because whaen I reached up I just tried to get the tabs between finger and thumb when I reached up. What I do now is just grab the back of the slider (which stops it flapping) and then slide my hands in until I reach the little tab thingies. It's then pretty easy to get the tabs and pull them out, even if the slider is only in fingertip range.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larsrulz 0 #13 December 13, 2004 If you aren't taking off your swoop cords, then that would definitely be the first idea to try. If your cord length is set up correctly, it should reduce the length of your maximum reach a bit, so definitely take them off as soon as you get under a good canopy. If you still can't reach, then follow the shorter riser advice above, but if you can reach the slider without the swoop cords on, then you don't want to shorten your risers. They should be as long as possible without being too long. I got a strong urge to fly, but I got no where to fly to. -PF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #14 December 13, 2004 QuoteIf you make the risers 10 inches or 10 feet, the lines will stay the same length. Am I missing something here.Line length will remain the same, total suspended length, or height will be different, and this should influence the balance of the canopy and the pendulum effects. It will surely be more noticeable under a small canopy.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #15 December 14, 2004 QuoteIf you aren't taking off your swoop cords, then that would definitely be the first idea to try. If your cord length is set up correctly, it should reduce the length of your maximum reach a bit, so definitely take them off as soon as you get under a good canopy. If you still can't reach, then follow the shorter riser advice above, but if you can reach the slider without the swoop cords on, then you don't want to shorten your risers. They should be as long as possible without being too long. What is "as long as possible without being too long"? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #16 December 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteIf you make the risers 10 inches or 10 feet, the lines will stay the same length. Am I missing something here.Line length will remain the same, total suspended length, or height will be different, and this should influence the balance of the canopy and the pendulum effects. It will surely be more noticeable under a small canopy. The relationship of the load to the canopy will be different but the trim will remain the same. The difference 2 to 3 inches will make would be hard for even the best of canopy pilots to notice. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racer42 0 #17 December 14, 2004 "My slider was acting cold and distant...and it wasn't the first time. I have had a lot of sliders in my day but this one was the worst. It all started one dark and stormy night...I came into the room and she had nothing on but the radio. Afterwards, as we lay there smoking cheap cigarettes and swilling bad whisky she brought it up ...again. That slider..that god damned slider...pissed me off..so I shot her. No cheap floozy is gonna talk to me that way...specially 'bout that slider."L.A.S.T. #24 Co-Founder Biscuit Brothers Freefly Team Electric Toaster #3 Co-Founder Team Non Sequitor Co-Founder Team Happy Sock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larsrulz 0 #18 December 14, 2004 QuoteWhat is "as long as possible without being too long"? It's just that. The longest riser which you can still reach the slider on. Some people like being able to take a nice grasp of their rapid links when doing riser manuevers, so they may need an inch shorter. But I was merely saying that you want the maximum length riser while still being able to do whatever you feel you need to do. Longer is better. I got a strong urge to fly, but I got no where to fly to. -PF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 14 #19 December 14, 2004 >Longer is better. Why do you say this? PD designed the Velocity to fly best on a certian length of risers to take advantage of the pendulium effect at that length.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 0 #20 December 14, 2004 An uninformed question for you: Put a 6' 4" and a 5' 2" person under that canopy. Wouldn't the difference in the pendulum effect caused by their height have much more effect than shortening the risers by an inch? Or am I missing something? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murps2000 86 #21 December 14, 2004 Longer is better.*** Only in the adult film industry. Under canopy, it really depends on what you want. Everything is a trade off. Longer risers do give you a longer recovery arc, and a greater potential for airspeed when swooping, but you lose some of the twitchiness of your canopy. In other words, you also gain stability in pitch and roll axes. For some, more stability is undesireable simply due to the fun factor. If you have a canopy with a fairly long recovery arc to begin with, you're not a swoop competitor, and you still like to toss your canopy around like a jet fighter up high, maybe shorter risers are what you want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larsrulz 0 #22 December 14, 2004 QuoteWhy do you say this? PD designed the Velocity to fly best on a certian length of risers to take advantage of the pendulium effect at that length. In response to both you and Murps, the original poster has 83 jumps and is under a spectre 210, so much of your reasoning isn't valid here. He is having problems with collasping his slider, so I can't imagine that canopy twitchiness is the top of his priorities. I got a strong urge to fly, but I got no where to fly to. -PF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vapor 0 #23 December 14, 2004 Canopy twitchiness is *definitely* not my first concern -- the thing is vast and stable as can be. Taking the swoop cords off is a little tricky, cause I route the left one under my alti. Maybe taking just the right one off would do the trick; I'll try it. I think the grabbing the middle and feeling my way out to the tabs is a good idea. Also stretching. ; ) many thanks for all the input. blues W ---------------------------------------- 'Of course it hurts. The trick is not *minding* that it hurts.' - T.E. Lawrence Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vapor 0 #24 December 14, 2004 It was a Spectre... a Spectre to make a bishop kick a hole in a plate-glass window. I'm naming my canopy "Chandler" in your honor, Hawkins. ;) ---------------------------------------- 'Of course it hurts. The trick is not *minding* that it hurts.' - T.E. Lawrence Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #25 December 14, 2004 QuoteTaking the swoop cords off is a little tricky, cause I route the left one under my alti. try routing it over the alti scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
