How About Cutting SKYRIDE Some Slack?

[airtwardo 6]

If a company is blatantly defrauding the public the attorney general will not think twice about granting an injunction....that obviously hasnt happened.

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Didn't you work for Enron too?

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[davelepka 4]

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Its a no brainer. Accept their certificates. Drop the egos and get on with business

You left you the part about giving a portion of your profits to an out-of-state company that pretty much held your customers hostage until you gave in to their demands.

What's your deal anyway? How about you man up and fill in your profiel so we know who you are and where your coming from?

Are you now, or have you ever been in business for yourself? Have you ever run a DZ?

[skypapa 0]

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Its a no brainer. Accept their certificates. Drop the egos and get on with business

You left you the part about giving a portion of your profits to an out-of-state company that pretty much held your customers hostage until you gave in to their demands.

What's your deal anyway? How about you man up and fill in your profiel so we know who you are and where your coming from?

Are you now, or have you ever been in business for yourself? Have you ever run a DZ?

They have the right to hold the customer hostage, it is their customer not yours. However, they are kind enough to offer a percentage of the customer they find, marketed for, and closed. All you have to do is deliver the service. Once again, a no brainer.

[johndh1 0]

And to think when I first saw the ridiculous heading for this thread from someone calling themselves "skypapa," I thought it would be followed by a string of obviously cynical comments from someone who felt his wisdom of years were fitting for his nom-de-plume...

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[Thanatos340 1]

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If a company is blatantly defrauding the public the attorney general will not think twice about granting an injunction

You mean like this one?? See attached.

An Attorney General can only Seek an Injunction. A Judge must Grant the injunction. That takes a good bit of time.

[skypapa 0]

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If a company is blatantly defrauding the public the attorney general will not think twice about granting an injunction

You mean like this one?? See attached.

An Attorney General can only Seek an Injunction. A Judge must Grant the injunction. That takes a good bit of time.

Once again, if the fraud is serious enough, it will happen. Obviously this so called criminal activity isnt serious enough to warrant doing so.

[davelepka 4]

Just because the legality of it all is still to be determined, it is not an ethical way to conduct business.

The people on the short end of the stick are the DZOs, who work hard, and invest a lot of money to own and run a DZ.

Everyone here appriciates the efforts of their local DZO, and some here are even personal friends with their DZO, and you repeating your 'it's not against the law' mantra over and over again will not change that.

You'll have to look elsewhere if what you're after is support.

[skypapa 0]

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Just because the legality of it all is still to be determined, it is not an ethical way to conduct business.

The people on the short end of the stick are the DZOs, who work hard, and invest a lot of money to own and run a DZ.

Everyone here appriciates the efforts of their local DZO, and some here are even personal friends with their DZO, and you repeating your 'it's not against the law' mantra over and over again will not change that.

You'll have to look elsewhere if what you're after is support.

What about the DZO's that do accept it? Is it wrong for them to want to grow their business? People seem to forget that it is in fact a business for these people.

Many sides to this story, unfortunately you people only see one of the sides.

[airtwardo 6]

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Just because the legality of it all is still to be determined, it is not an ethical way to conduct business.

The people on the short end of the stick are the DZOs, who work hard, and invest a lot of money to own and run a DZ.

Everyone here appriciates the efforts of their local DZO, and some here are even personal friends with their DZO, and you repeating your 'it's not against the law' mantra over and over again will not change that.

You'll have to look elsewhere if what you're after is support.

What about the DZO's that do accept it? Is it wrong for them to want to grow their business? People seem to forget that it is in fact a business for these people.

Many sides to this story, unfortunately you people only see one of the sides.

How about this, skyride tells it's customers up front that they are in FACT a booking agency, and are merely taking a % off the top for a skydive that another company is actually providing?

Fair and honest.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[skypapa 0]

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Just because the legality of it all is still to be determined, it is not an ethical way to conduct business.

The people on the short end of the stick are the DZOs, who work hard, and invest a lot of money to own and run a DZ.

Everyone here appriciates the efforts of their local DZO, and some here are even personal friends with their DZO, and you repeating your 'it's not against the law' mantra over and over again will not change that.

You'll have to look elsewhere if what you're after is support.

What about the DZO's that do accept it? Is it wrong for them to want to grow their business? People seem to forget that it is in fact a business for these people.

Many sides to this story, unfortunately you people only see one of the sides.

How about this, skyride tells it's customers up front that they are in FACT a booking agency, and are merely taking a % off the top for a skydive that another company is actually providing?

Fair and honest.

How about you not tell other companies how to run their business and you leave that up to them?

[davelepka 4]

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How about you not tell other companies how to run their business and you leave that up to them?

How about PA removed by slotperfect, and not tell other people how to think?

[airtwardo 6]

How about you not tell other companies how to run their business and you leave that up to them?

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How about you take another look at your thread title there Zippy!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[Jewels 0]

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What about the DZO's that do accept it? Is it wrong for them to want to grow their business? People seem to forget that it is in fact a business for these people.

Many sides to this story, unfortunately you people only see one of the sides.

You really came to the wrong place to play devil's advocate, unless you just wanted to see your thread burst into flames for entertainment value. What YOU seem to forget is that the message being sent is that the means do not justify the ends, and that your justification that it's "business" is inadequate. What a breath of fresh air that people care about how things are done! You just happen not to like the side we see.

TPM Sister #102

[skypapa 0]

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What about the DZO's that do accept it? Is it wrong for them to want to grow their business? People seem to forget that it is in fact a business for these people.

Many sides to this story, unfortunately you people only see one of the sides.

You really came to the wrong place to play devil's advocate, unless you just wanted to see your thread burst into flames for entertainment value. What YOU seem to forget is that the message being sent is that the means do not justify the ends, and that your justification that it's "business" is inadequate. What a breath of fresh air that people care about how things are done! You just happen not to like the side we see.

It's not about playing devils advocate, it's about having an open mind. Something you people are not capable of doing.

[Jewels 0]

Having an open mind does not mean "accepting" a practice that misleads customers in the name of business. Again, I point out that your search for open-mindedness is really a plea for acceptance because "it's business." Just because you can somehow justify their actions as simply competitive business practices does not mean that those who disagree with you are incapable of accepting competition. What about a business that operates ethically? There's a thought. Perhaps you should open your mind to that.

TPM Sister #102

[airtwardo 6]

It's not about playing devils advocate, it's about having an open mind. Something you people are not capable of doing.

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If one person thinks you're a parasite (skyride is), they might be mistaken, when hundreds think so...time to think about stopping suckin' blood.

You think it's okay to lie cheat and steal...good for you, I see why you prefer to remain anonymous, people that trust you might read this.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[slotperfect 7]

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[johndh1 0]

Dude, skypapa, MARKETING is not what they do when they CORRAL someone who is already doing an internet or yellow-page search for a nearby facility.

They didn't go out and drum-up business that wasn't already looking for a tandem (or glider, or warbird, or balloon, etc.), and none-the-wiser already to their deceptive tactics.

And, by the way, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" is a practice used most often historically by the more cowardly elements of society.

...speaking of, if you are so convinced that your point of view is the cornucopia of higher purpose (and will be the mantra of the "survival of the fittest" in the long-run with that company's skydiving involvement), why have you still not filled out your profile?

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[dharma1976 0]

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Dude, skypapa, MARKETING is not what they do when they CORRAL someone who is already doing an internet or yellow-page search for a nearby facility.

They didn't go out and drum-up business that wasn't already looking for a tandem (or glider, or warbird, or balloon, etc.), and none-the-wiser already to their deceptive tactics.

And, by the way, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" is a practice used most often historically by the more cowardly elements of society.

...speaking of, if you are so convinced that your point of view is the cornucopia of higher purpose (and will be the mantra of the "survival of the fittest" in the long-run with that company's skydiving involvement), why have you still not filled out your profile?

I keep trying to remember the term for it appeasement I think is the term

Dave

http://www.skyjunky.com

CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing.

[millertimeunc 0]

Is charging a customer for the "pilot chute fee" ethical? Is charging a customer for "extra altitude" ethical? Is charging a customer to "ride in the big plane" ethical? You skyride lackies make me want to puke. There's a reason why I live 5 miles from Prattville but still make the trip to Opelika to jump.

The best things in life are dangerous.

[Jewels 0]

Relax. I think he poked the bear and ran.

TPM Sister #102

[scottjaco 0]

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Stealing photos, misrepresenting locations, misleading patrons are all unethical behaviors... something that I doubt many of us would be comfortable associating with.

Is Skydive Santa Barbara, Skydive Monterey Bay, Skydive San Francisco & Skydive Lake Tahoe actually located in the cities they are named after?

Do their websites only allow pics taken from their dropzones? You've never seen a few boogie photos from WFC & Lost Prairie thrown in for good measure? Maybe a balloon jump photo from Perris or Eloy to add to the montage they are trying to build for their dropzone?

Beyond that, what is deceptive about skyride? They charge more? That's what happens when you don't shop around. You are paying extra for the convenience.

They don't tell you where you are jumping until you pay? Maybe it's because they don't want the customer to circumvent them by contacting the dropzone directly (eliminating skyride as the middle man)

The deal with skyride is that you are paying for information, and whether that information is worth the money is entirely subjective.

Remember, as skydivers, we know enough to steer clear of such a service. We did our homework before getting involved in the sport.

These 1-time Tandem students are in it strictly for bragging rights. As such, I don't have a huge sympathy for people that don't take the time to learn a little something about our sport before dropping the dime. In this day & age, it isn't hard to find the facts.

[BIGUN 1,053]

How about we all end the replies here and let this thread drift off the radar.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[psipike02 0]

DAMNIT

How did I miss this thread....let me get my popcorn and grab a seat...

*runs to grab popcorn*

Ok....as you were

Puttin' some stank on it.

----Hellfish #707----

[airtwardo 6]

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