sorc 0 #1 January 19, 2008 hi fellows, the following might sound provoking or whatever you might think about it, but it`s a serious question though. i`m not a troll oder whatever, to be said !! since im skydiving now for about 150 jumps i ask myself what happens to people who yould have terminal speed impact?? i mean... would you like... erm.. explode?? sure, I can imagine what happens when you slam on a hard ground like a street or parking lot, but what would happen for example on the landing lawn ?? would you jsut bounce up again? oder splatter? or on water? could you identify people after? this is truely a serious question!! situation might come when something bad happens and you need to help somebody, what do you have to expect?? thx for (pls) not bullshittin` me .. ! *edit: yeah i know it`s my first post, blabla, but i created the account for this question only! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFKING 4 #2 January 19, 2008 When I was a student, I hated wearing the jumpsuit, because it was so hot. After complaining several times, my instructor finally told me the reason I had to wear it....."So if you bounce, we won't have to walk around picking up pieces of you.....we just pick up the jumpsuit and throw it in the back of the truck." So my guess would be a massive explosion. Don"When in doubt I whip it out, I got me a rock-and-roll band. It's a free-for-all." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #3 January 19, 2008 I think the way you asked this question would help show people that you are not a troll. If you filled out your profile all they way, it would convince even the most hardened Troll hunters. I too think this should be at least mentioned, as unpleasant as it is. =========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sorc 0 #4 January 19, 2008 yeah i will do, as is said i created the account for this specific question, i`m not so often online usually. just workin on it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #5 January 19, 2008 Quote yeah i will do, as is said i created the account for this specific question, i`m not so often online usually. just workin on it Well, even after the question is answered, Hope you stay active and enjoy DZ.com - there is a LOT of good stuff to learn on this site.=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybeergodd 0 #6 January 19, 2008 I have unfortunately seen the aftermath of a no pull fatality....The body is identifiable....they are incredibly busted up but generally intact. Now that was on soft ground, A high speed impact on pavement would most likely be completely different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gonejumpingl 0 #7 January 19, 2008 Anybody else just got goosebumps?? Today is a better day!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #8 January 19, 2008 Seen a few and no ya don't 'explode' even on concrete...though the sound is definitely different. It's been said it's not the impact that kills ya, it's the bounce...sure the initial impact busts everything up pretty good inside, but it isn't until that 2nd bounce shoving all the pointy shards through the mushy stuff that you're screwed... The key to surviving a terminal impact is timing....ya gotta aim for grass, and when ya hit......HANG ON! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #9 January 19, 2008 And here I thought that if you had a double mal you just aimed for your riggers car. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #10 January 19, 2008 QuoteIt's been said it's not the impact that kills ya, it's the bounce...sure the initial impact busts everything up pretty good inside, but it isn't until that 2nd bounce shoving all the pointy shards through the mushy stuff that you're screwed... I think it's a bunch of BS. Decelerating from 120 mph to 0 mph in a distance of few inches will not kill you (and hitting tyhe ground with your head at that speed)??? What are the G forces on such deceleration? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #11 January 19, 2008 What are the G forces on such deceleration? Quote Doesn't matter...they're negative G's, they don't effect ya as much as positive ones. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dumstuntzz 0 #12 January 19, 2008 once had a guy go thru the roof of an industrial bldg .decapitated him. he was put in the morgue,,still wearing his rig.next day the dzo (accompanied by the faa guy) had to retrieve the packing data card (this rig was a jumpshack racer... anyone familiar with the location of the packing data card will appreciate that this was kind of a messy retrieval) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChickenSandwich 0 #13 January 20, 2008 Quote Anybody else just got goosebumps?? Yes. :shudder: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Joea 0 #14 January 20, 2008 I remember years ago hearing about a double mal that ended with the jumper landing feet first on soft ground. It was the first time I heard the term "telescoped" being used for a leg break. He survived but his ankles were introduced to his hips. I guess what I'm getting at is, the amount of destruction to your body would likely depend on your position at impact. Head first would probably be messier than flat on your back. Unless of course everything is nicely contained in your helmet. Ahhh.. There's those goosebumps. It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. - Clarence Worley from "True Romance" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #15 January 20, 2008 QuoteI remember years ago hearing about a double mal that ended with the jumper landing feet first on soft ground. It was the first time I heard the term "telescoped" being used for a leg break. He survived but his ankles were introduced to his hips. Do you believe in the tooth fairy as well? So this guy that survived and managed to do a stand up landing... wow... I understand a WHUFFO thinking this is true but c'mon man, you are a skydiver now, Keep up! .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Halfpastniner 0 #16 January 20, 2008 Your calling him a WUFFO, hes got one more jump than you!!! BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unstable 9 #17 January 20, 2008 Quote Your calling him a WUFFO, hes got one more jump than you!!! LOL. Seriously, why don't people put their jump #'s up?!?=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #18 January 20, 2008 I never called him a WHUFFO, i said, maybe when he was a whuffo he could have believed that but now he is a skydiver that he should not believe fairy tales like that. If it is possible for a person to fall at 160-180 mph in a stand position and then land on his two feet at impact and have his 'telescope' and still be alive then ....... ah fuck that, not possible!! I just can't believe that someone believes that, and the guy is still alive LMAO!!!! LMAO!!!! .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unstable 9 #19 January 20, 2008 QuoteI never called him a WHUFFO, i said, maybe when he was a whuffo he could have believed that but now he is a skydiver that he should not believe fairy tales like that. If it is possible for a person to fall at 160-180 mph in a stand position and then land on his two feet at impact and have his 'telescope' and still be alive then ....... ah fuck that, not possible!! I just can't believe that someone believes that, and the guy is still alive LMAO!!!! LMAO!!!! I agree 100% - Surviving a telescoping effect on a terminal feet-first landing is kinda silly, but there are enough documented cases (like during WWII) of airmen surviving miraculously in terminal impact situations.=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #20 January 20, 2008 really?? at terminal velocity? .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohanW 0 #21 January 20, 2008 Guys, he said double mal, not terminal. Impact might have been at 20 mph. Drag might explain the orientation as well. And I hope you are not implying the tooth fairy doesn't exist either. She lives right next door to Santa. They make for a better world between the both of them, don't you think?Johan. I am. I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #22 January 20, 2008 mate the tooth fairy lives in a place close to you where the sun dont shine. I dont think santa is alive anymore. He was killed on CSI. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Joea 0 #23 January 20, 2008 QuoteDo you believe in the tooth fairy as well? So this guy that survived and managed to do a stand up landing... wow... I understand a WHUFFO thinking this is true but c'mon man, you are a skydiver now, Keep up! Just repeating what I remember. I'm gonna show my age here.. Back in the early 1980's there was a tv show called "That's Incredible!" that did stories about amazing and unbelievable events. This story in particular was about a skydiver who survived an impact. If I remember correctly, he had two out and both failed, this likely slowed his descent. As they described his injuries, they said his legs "telescoped" into themselves. I don't remember any stories about the tooth fairy. Come on, we've all seen it, in rare cases the human body can survive a myriad of injuries that in 99% of instances, would kill anyone else. Why is it so hard to believe that a few shattered femur's, tibia's and fibula's would mean certain death? I mean, that's why they did an story on this guy. If he had died, he wouldn't have been on "That's Incredible!" he would have been on "That's The Way Shit Usually Happens!", which was a much less popular show. This is all rather irrelevant anyway as the question wasn't about likelihood of survival; it was about how you look when you don't. I was just always creeped out by the term "telescoped" after that. Incidentally, I have three jumps... I'm patiently waiting for my DZ to reopen in spring so I can continue. I don't call myself a skydiver yet, I haven't earned that title.It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. - Clarence Worley from "True Romance" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigway 4 #24 January 20, 2008 cause you are a skydiver, what are you talking about. You have three jumps and have committed to the training and risk your life just like the rest of us. Dont believe everything you see on tv. i thought you said it was at terminal. If you did not then i got it wrong but was only teasing you mate. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Joea 0 #25 January 20, 2008 I know you were teasing, I'm just being an ass... and I've worked in television for over 20 years. I have a pretty good handle on what to believe and what not to believe. Most times, it's a matter of embellishment, more than it is fabrication. Hell, I've been guilty of it myself... it's all part of what makes "Good TV"!I'm a student. When I can pull my own rip cord, and fly in without someone on the ground radioing me in... then I'll call myself a "skydiver"... right now, I just tell people "I'm learning how to skydive." It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. - Clarence Worley from "True Romance" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 1 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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dumstuntzz 0 #12 January 19, 2008 once had a guy go thru the roof of an industrial bldg .decapitated him. he was put in the morgue,,still wearing his rig.next day the dzo (accompanied by the faa guy) had to retrieve the packing data card (this rig was a jumpshack racer... anyone familiar with the location of the packing data card will appreciate that this was kind of a messy retrieval) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChickenSandwich 0 #13 January 20, 2008 Quote Anybody else just got goosebumps?? Yes. :shudder: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joea 0 #14 January 20, 2008 I remember years ago hearing about a double mal that ended with the jumper landing feet first on soft ground. It was the first time I heard the term "telescoped" being used for a leg break. He survived but his ankles were introduced to his hips. I guess what I'm getting at is, the amount of destruction to your body would likely depend on your position at impact. Head first would probably be messier than flat on your back. Unless of course everything is nicely contained in your helmet. Ahhh.. There's those goosebumps. It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. - Clarence Worley from "True Romance" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #15 January 20, 2008 QuoteI remember years ago hearing about a double mal that ended with the jumper landing feet first on soft ground. It was the first time I heard the term "telescoped" being used for a leg break. He survived but his ankles were introduced to his hips. Do you believe in the tooth fairy as well? So this guy that survived and managed to do a stand up landing... wow... I understand a WHUFFO thinking this is true but c'mon man, you are a skydiver now, Keep up! .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halfpastniner 0 #16 January 20, 2008 Your calling him a WUFFO, hes got one more jump than you!!! BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #17 January 20, 2008 Quote Your calling him a WUFFO, hes got one more jump than you!!! LOL. Seriously, why don't people put their jump #'s up?!?=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #18 January 20, 2008 I never called him a WHUFFO, i said, maybe when he was a whuffo he could have believed that but now he is a skydiver that he should not believe fairy tales like that. If it is possible for a person to fall at 160-180 mph in a stand position and then land on his two feet at impact and have his 'telescope' and still be alive then ....... ah fuck that, not possible!! I just can't believe that someone believes that, and the guy is still alive LMAO!!!! LMAO!!!! .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #19 January 20, 2008 QuoteI never called him a WHUFFO, i said, maybe when he was a whuffo he could have believed that but now he is a skydiver that he should not believe fairy tales like that. If it is possible for a person to fall at 160-180 mph in a stand position and then land on his two feet at impact and have his 'telescope' and still be alive then ....... ah fuck that, not possible!! I just can't believe that someone believes that, and the guy is still alive LMAO!!!! LMAO!!!! I agree 100% - Surviving a telescoping effect on a terminal feet-first landing is kinda silly, but there are enough documented cases (like during WWII) of airmen surviving miraculously in terminal impact situations.=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #20 January 20, 2008 really?? at terminal velocity? .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohanW 0 #21 January 20, 2008 Guys, he said double mal, not terminal. Impact might have been at 20 mph. Drag might explain the orientation as well. And I hope you are not implying the tooth fairy doesn't exist either. She lives right next door to Santa. They make for a better world between the both of them, don't you think?Johan. I am. I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #22 January 20, 2008 mate the tooth fairy lives in a place close to you where the sun dont shine. I dont think santa is alive anymore. He was killed on CSI. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joea 0 #23 January 20, 2008 QuoteDo you believe in the tooth fairy as well? So this guy that survived and managed to do a stand up landing... wow... I understand a WHUFFO thinking this is true but c'mon man, you are a skydiver now, Keep up! Just repeating what I remember. I'm gonna show my age here.. Back in the early 1980's there was a tv show called "That's Incredible!" that did stories about amazing and unbelievable events. This story in particular was about a skydiver who survived an impact. If I remember correctly, he had two out and both failed, this likely slowed his descent. As they described his injuries, they said his legs "telescoped" into themselves. I don't remember any stories about the tooth fairy. Come on, we've all seen it, in rare cases the human body can survive a myriad of injuries that in 99% of instances, would kill anyone else. Why is it so hard to believe that a few shattered femur's, tibia's and fibula's would mean certain death? I mean, that's why they did an story on this guy. If he had died, he wouldn't have been on "That's Incredible!" he would have been on "That's The Way Shit Usually Happens!", which was a much less popular show. This is all rather irrelevant anyway as the question wasn't about likelihood of survival; it was about how you look when you don't. I was just always creeped out by the term "telescoped" after that. Incidentally, I have three jumps... I'm patiently waiting for my DZ to reopen in spring so I can continue. I don't call myself a skydiver yet, I haven't earned that title.It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. - Clarence Worley from "True Romance" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #24 January 20, 2008 cause you are a skydiver, what are you talking about. You have three jumps and have committed to the training and risk your life just like the rest of us. Dont believe everything you see on tv. i thought you said it was at terminal. If you did not then i got it wrong but was only teasing you mate. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joea 0 #25 January 20, 2008 I know you were teasing, I'm just being an ass... and I've worked in television for over 20 years. I have a pretty good handle on what to believe and what not to believe. Most times, it's a matter of embellishment, more than it is fabrication. Hell, I've been guilty of it myself... it's all part of what makes "Good TV"!I'm a student. When I can pull my own rip cord, and fly in without someone on the ground radioing me in... then I'll call myself a "skydiver"... right now, I just tell people "I'm learning how to skydive." It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. - Clarence Worley from "True Romance" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
